[01:22] tsimonq2 was added by: tsimonq2 === chris__ is now known as del === zutar is now known as zenfrii [03:50] is there a way to save session in konqueror? [03:51] also what about extensions? will chrome extensions work with it? === dan_ is now known as Guest38315 === Guest38315 is now known as dan__ [04:30] ahoneybun_: you mean a KDE/Snappy sprint? I'm still trying to find a venue we can use for that [04:36] mhall119: no for Kubuntu team to meet and work on work [04:36] *stuff to work on [04:37] I was thinking London as the Canonical office is there [04:39] ahoneybun_: Would it be just a sprint to do Kubuntu-related things, or is it a hangout where we meet people, or what did you have in mind? [04:39] well you could also see as a getting to know each other more [04:40] maybe get closer together as well [04:40] mhall119: having a Snappy part of it might get sgclark and harald over [04:41] ahoneybun_: I asked about using bluefin, but was told there wasn't really a good space for that (and having visited it once, there really wasn't) [04:41] bluefin? [04:41] in fact, when I attended a sprint in London, it was at a hotel on the other side of the city from the offices [04:41] wish i could join , but in usa jumping the pond a little to much for my wallet this year :) [04:41] bluefin is the office [04:41] building name, or nickname [04:42] sintre: same [04:43] The only way that I could attend is with sponsorship, because while I get a paycheck now, it's not big enough to be able to save to fly to London... :P [04:43] sprint attendence is usually sponsored by Canonical or the community donations fund [04:43] yep [04:43] Oh ok. 👍 [04:43] (If I get to go... :P) [04:43] I've been talking to apol and sitter, trying to co-locate it with some other KDE event [04:44] Better than Telegram, probably. [04:44] Akademy would work, but it's so far away [04:44] tsimonq2: your invited of course [04:44] we have our issues but would not leave anyone out [04:44] ahoneybun_: Fair enough. [04:45] it might help us get around those [04:45] anyway [04:45] ahoneybun_: When would it be? [04:45] mhall119: yea no clue when the next akademy is anyway [04:45] tsimonq2: April was looking pretty good [04:45] could also be a 17.04 release party as well [04:45] but the date is still in the air of course [04:46] ahoneybun_: Would it be a whole week thing or just a day or two? [04:46] tsimonq2: we were looking at a weekend thing [04:46] but I have the whole 2nd week of april off [04:46] ahoneybun_: Oh ok. [04:46] * tsimonq2 looks at the school district calendar [04:47] mhall119: I was looking at London as that is the cheapest Europe place for us in the USA [04:47] Aww, spring break is in March :P [04:47] ahoneybun_: I think that's a great idea [04:47] I mean, if we wanted to go Europe. :) [04:47] would be easy to get Qt people in too [04:47] well USA is super expensive [04:48] * ahoneybun_ knows he spelled that wrong [04:48] well depends on where you coming from lol [04:48] :) [04:48] usa going to europe super expensive [04:48] mhall119: getting an area picked is first then a place [04:48] europe people going to usa expensive [04:49] travel in general is, we'll leave it at that :) [04:49] sintre: Let's build an island. Let's call it, "conference island" *goes on to rant for another 30 minutes* [04:49] :P [04:50] actually i think we can by an island for the price of the plane tickets somewhere off of belize hehe [04:50] kubuntu island lol [04:50] but we'd have to build bungaloes [04:50] mhall119: Ask Mark if he could help us invest in Kubuntu Island? XD [04:50] (kidding) [04:52] Isle of Kman? [04:52] good name [04:53] though I've heard k-puns are passe now [04:54] :P [05:00] mhall119: any other ideas for locations? [05:00] tampa florida , [05:00] wait [05:00] your in Fl? [05:00] selfish choice as i live here but big international airport :) [05:00] yea [05:00] There is Iceland, already there [05:01] join #ubuntu-us-fl [05:01] sintre: our Ubuntu Florida LoCo! [05:02] learn something every day [05:02] yep! === mozammel is now known as Mozammel === charles___ is now known as Charles_D [06:49] sintre: Think you were away when I messaged last, but thanks heaps for your help yesterday... adding backports repo really sped stuff up... and solved another issue I had with Brave Browser and Chromium causing "flickering". Lots of other nice stuff bundled into the latest Plasma too (new SDDM login is really nice, so kudos to whoever is responsible for that). [06:50] jim> your welcome a hundred times [06:50] and aslo just coming to say thing worked out is alot to me and alot of people who trry to help trouble shoot [06:52] and also don't foget any problem you have bring it , we'll throw anything wie can think of , just updating was easy to say the least , so any other problem please come here and let us give it a wack [06:53] :) [06:53] Thanks again, hope I'll get some time to contribute back soon. Have a Qt-based SQL Database manager in the works, but not stable for anyone's usage yet. I'd like to work on KWalletManager eventually too, but I think that might all be getting replaced by KSecretService. [06:54] i just want it to not be active on install [06:54] annoys the **** out of me [06:54] espeically sinse i've been toying with my new laptop done many new install [06:54] [s] [06:54] last couple months [06:55] its my first go to chore [06:55] some people like it though [06:55] but out the gate when you gotta get stuff set up freakin unneeded pain imo [06:56] sintre: I feel you there... I love the Wallet Integration conceptually, but KWallet feels a bit dated (and messy) now. [06:57] Needs a "muti-device" type functionality (wallets shared across devices either through a third-party or maybe using some kind of sync app). [06:57] Anyway, I'll look into that when I get some time. [06:58] certainly , would be welcome to help out [06:58] i can't code or package or anything of that nature , i just am good at finding problems and complaining really :) [06:59] haha, all help is good help ;) [06:59] Thanks again! [07:00] your welcome again [10:40] Happy new year all [10:41] Has anybody got some experience getting multiple mouse buttons to work? [10:41] I.e. volume controls, zoom, etc [11:15] When looking at this video about plasma 5.8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgH1Clgr-uE ), I get the impression that it should be possible to set a video as desktop background. Does anyone know how? [11:21] it requires some extra wok i think [11:21] like installing extra package, not sure [11:28] soee_: what package? [11:43] BACK! What did I miss? [11:47] Hiyas all [12:19] KlimiCZ was added by: KlimiCZ [12:20] Hello [12:20] EchoTheBunny was added by: EchoTheBunny [12:20] Hello [14:03] trying yo upgrade to KDE 5.8.5 via backport ppa on kubuntu 16.04. Should i just let the updater do the job or apply apt full-upgrade command? [14:09] x33k, just sudo apt upgrade, unless you have a particular package in mind [14:12] Back when KDE 5.6 was backported they said to use full-upgrade which also remove some deprecated packages. But recently there are no mention in the post, which got me confused. They know best what command will do better and result in less bug. Upgrade command clearly won't remove any package even if it necessary. So, they should've clearly mention it in the post [14:13] Hi. [14:13] I just installed Kubuntu on my laptop. I haven't used KDE since circa 2003. I'm amazed how good it looks. [14:13] EchoTheBunny was removed by: EchoTheBunny [14:14] KlimiCZ was removed by: KlimiCZ [14:14] Anyway, does anybody know how to get the battery applet to show the remaining time? [14:15] EY, just move the cursor on the battery icon, it will display in a tooltip popup [14:16] x33k: I do that already, but is there another way to show the remaining time all the time? [14:17] i guess not EY [14:17] x33k: OK. Thanks, anyway :-) [14:19] x33k, with a ppa when you do the upgrade it upgrades what's available, full upgrade shouln't make any difference unless there are upgradeable packages in the other repos [14:20] OK thanks, BluesKaj === omar_ is now known as omarramo [14:33] hey guys, I have a problem with emacs on kubuntu, it is really slow, even with small files. I notice the slowness when scrolling etc. where you can see how the text is drawn to the screen from top to bottom. I don't think that should be the case with an AMD RX 470 [14:33] how can I solve this? [15:55] does anybody try to rate a song playing in rhythmbox ? ubuntu 16.10 ; unity [15:57] Mozammel, ask in #ubuntu, rhythmbox is a gtk app [15:58] this is kubuntu support [15:58] BluesKaj: yes I did asked, its also possible to install in kubuntu, I just asked because if someone have faced same problem. [15:59] kubuntu uses amarok Mozammel [16:00] BluesKaj: I know that amarok is default palyer for KDE, so its for kubuntu. [16:01] yes, and rating songs is a personal thing imo unless you're talking about something different [16:02] ChalkPE was removed by: ChalkPE [16:03] ChalkPE removes himself ?? [16:04] BluesKaj: removed themselves from the telegram channel [16:04] acheronuk, ok === omar_ is now known as omarramo [16:06] ircsomebot is an unfortunate handle, always makes me think of irksomebot :-) [16:06] hey guys, I just updated and restarted and now my login screen is just all white [16:06] I can still type my password and hit enter to login but most of the screen is black still [16:06] what do I do now? [16:08] omarramo, ctl+alt+F1-F6 to drop to a VT/TTY , login then run your apt updates and upgrades to see if that fixes any broken packages [16:09] BluesKaj: I typed in sudo apt-get update/upgrade but no packages were installed [16:09] ok omarramo try startx [16:10] or sudo systemctl start sddm === omar_ is now known as omarramo [16:11] startx has the same effects, I am logged in, can see the contents of the window but not the bar on the bottom or the alt + f1 menu [16:12] also browser doesn't work at all [16:12] omarramo: Are you able to see a menu when you right click on the desktop? [16:13] DarinMiller: yup [16:13] you mean the drop down menu right? still appears [16:13] Right click, select add panel -> default panel. [16:14] omarramo, context menu with add panel etc [16:14] yes context menu gets drawn. the stuff like panels is still there but it doesn't get rendered [16:15] the panel gets rendered as like 5 white pixels, its really buggy [16:15] omarramo: Sound kind of like a video driver issue. NVidia perhaps? [16:16] no on amd [16:16] RX 470 [16:16] can I somehow rollback the update? I remember that 13 pacakges were installed [16:16] crap, I have no AMD experience. [16:17] omarramo: was this a regular update or a backports update? [16:17] just the regular one where it talls you that 13 packages are available or something like that [16:17] so via GUI [16:18] launch a terminal via krunner (alt-spacebar) then type konsole. [16:18] yes [16:18] omarramo, think something is missing ,drop back o the TTY, sudo apt install plasma-workspace [16:18] sudo apt upgrade -f [16:19] both commands install 0 packages [16:19] bummer [16:19] I think just one of the new packages broke something [16:20] this really sucks, I have a bunch of stuff to do till tonight [16:20] I forgot: sudo apt update then sudo apt upgrade -f [16:20] also no thing :/ [16:20] could be the gpu driver and my experince with them is really limited [16:21] amd drivers that is [16:21] how do you check which driver is installed again? [16:21] network connect working? i.e. ping google.com from the terminal? [16:21] yes I am actually writing from the PC that doesnt work [16:22] oh! [16:22] window conent and borders render correctly, just not the kde stuff [16:22] like panels and krunner etc. [16:22] oh, try kwin_x11 & [16:23] omarramo, sudo ubuntu-drivers list , there'll be a delay before you see any output [16:23] might help people to know what release you are on [16:24] kubuntu 16.04 [16:25] with backports ppa? [16:25] not sure, I didn't add any though [16:27] DarinMiller: kwin_x11 gives me a lot of errors [16:28] Ill reboot really quick [16:29] grep installed /var/log/dpkg.log [16:29] oh [16:29] gone [16:29] * acheronuk goes to break more stuff [16:31] heh, I'm fionding Zesty more stable than Yakkety [16:32] finding even [16:32] BluesKaj: I have not had any problem with either. === omar_ is now known as omarramo [16:32] hmmm still not working :/ [16:33] emacs works at least so I can do some work :D a browser would be nice though [16:34] what does 'grep installed /var/log/dpkg.log' show for the packages you updated? [16:34] DarinMiller, got crashes with kwin on yakkety on plasma 5.8.5 [16:34] omarramo: acheronuk was about to provide the solution. Install backports ppa. [16:35] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports [16:35] http://termbin.com/a4bt [16:35] might not be a solution, though it is better than 5.5 [16:35] BluesKaj: I have not see that issue on any of my 3 YY boxes (2 NVidia, 1 Intel) [16:36] seems to actually have been a driver update [16:36] scroll to bottom [16:38] omarramo: so you have the oibaf driver ppa enabled, and updated a upstream git snapshot of mesa [16:38] and although you say you are on 16.04, you have the Yakkety repor for that ppa enabled? [16:39] my laptop is intel Yakkety , no probs there with 5.8.5, this old HP with nvidia however does on YY, but not on ZZ [16:40] acheronuk: how did you determine the oibaf driver ppa was enabled? [16:40] acheronuk: my bad, it actually was 16.10 [16:40] DarinMiller: I recognised the versioning scheme he uses [16:40] acheronuk: I didn't know that oibaf would bring unstable drivers to my machine :( what can I do about this now? [16:40] oma you're not bad, just mistaken [16:40] omarramo,^ [16:41] DarinMiller: i.e. ~gd~y on the end for his Yakkey ppa packages [16:41] but yeah I use oibaf ppa, I wanted to tell you but couldn't remember the name [16:42] omarramo: may not be the problem, but unstable git snapshots can cause issues. [16:43] seems like the mesa packages were updated. should I get an older version of those? [16:44] that or purge the ppa [16:44] but I need it :( [16:45] I have no idea if that is the issue, but it looks the most likely [16:46] okay I purged it, will restart and then maybe try padoka [16:46] there is a === Debugging and reporting problems === section on the ppa front page === omar_ is now known as omarramo [16:49] okay so it works again now [16:49] I purged the ppa, shouldn'T I not have any drivers right now? [16:50] ppa-purge downgrades to to standard versions. not remove completely [16:50] oh okay [16:50] it works even better than before now [16:51] thanks alot acheronuk and also to the other guys! [16:51] you saved my day [16:51] omarramo: glad to help :) [16:51] that drive ppa is usually fairly stable, but things can break sometimes [16:52] !cookie } acheronuk [16:52] BluesKaj: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [16:52] it may be fixed in a day or a week, but you can never know for sure [16:52] !cookie | acheronuk [16:52] acheronuk: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! [16:52] yup, I will try it out for sure [16:52] yum! [16:54] * BluesKaj makes a note to do more research on amd gpus [17:00] Does Kubuntu in general works slow when installed on a USB drive? [17:00] I am noticing a lot of lag [17:01] himcesjf: it's all hw dependent. If its usb 1.0 hw with a spinning 5400rpm drive, it will be painfully slow. [17:02] Sysinfo for 'TuxStick': Running inside KDE Plasma 5 on Ubuntu 16.10 (Yakkety Yak) powered by Linux 4.8.0-32-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7500U CPU @ 2.70GHz at 3499-3500/3500 MHz, RAM: 4289/7717 MB, Storage: 17/56 GB, 229 procs, 1.55h up [17:03] It's a 64GB drive connected to USB 3.0 [17:03] DarinMiller: ^ [17:05] Also, I notice a strange behaviour when connected to power source. It lags the most when connected to power source and normalises when disconnected from power source [17:05] i.e. runs fairly okay on battery [17:06] I am not sure what is causing lag [17:06] himcesjf: Spinng hard drive? Is the external hd enclosure USB 3.0 capable? If not it may be running at USB 2.0 speeds. [17:07] DarinMiller: It is a USB drive. No spinning HDD [17:07] As stated in my original question [17:09] A USB flash drive [17:09] I have a couple USB drives that are external HD's... [17:09] ahh, OK [17:09] what brand/model? [17:12] DarinMiller: SanDisk [17:12] I just noticed it's connected to USB 2.0 port [17:13] Restarting and triyng in USB 3.0 [17:13] brb [17:13] ok [17:18] DarinMiller: back [17:18] DarinMiller: Checking [17:21] himcesjf: do you know what the RW speeds of the thumb drive? Some of the less expensive ones are kind of slow. [17:21] After upgrading to 16.10, I happily see plasma is finally stable [17:21] gtozzi: awesome! [17:21] openbox is most stable [17:21] love unity too [17:22] never tried openbox. What does it do? [17:22] DarinMiller: Read speed up to 150 MB/s [17:22] it's super minimalistic [17:22] Does unity allow windows on top of the panel or allow panel hiding? [17:22] DarinMiller: Product page - https://www.sandisk.com/home/mobile-device-storage/ultra-dual-usb-drive-3#specifications-section [17:23] himcesjf: Plugged into a usb 3.0 port, I would expect very little lag. [17:23] You install file manager like pcmanfm and panel like tint, use nitrogen for wallpaper, and set everything to start automaticly [17:23] it's like xfce without icons on screen [17:24] DarinMiller: Yes, still checking. It's considerably improved [17:24] DarinMiller: I have no idea what panel You want to hide [17:25] DarinMiller: Interestingly, CPU history is also normalised to 20% instead of rapid surges [17:25] RonaldsMazitis: in Unity, the bar with the clock on it did not used be configurable. [17:25] Yeah, but who care about that [17:25] cares [17:26] DarinMiller: Thanks for pointing out about usb 3.0 [17:26] How did I miss that [17:27] I like kde, but I like things simple and fast [17:27] * DarinMiller misses stuff all the time.... [17:28] DarinMiller: But there is still one weird problem [17:28] I will allow kde to grow till next ubuntu LTS [17:29] DarinMiller: I noticed lag the moment I plug it to power source and immediately CPU history shows surges from cores [17:29] RonaldsMazitis: I too like simple and fast, especially for people like my parents who do not want a bunch of extra stuff to confuse them. [17:32] DarinMiller: it's hanging a lot now [17:35] himcesjf: Hmm, I too have seen disappointing perf on USB drive, but they were older USB 2.0 version that could not even reach max usb 2.0 speeds. [17:43] DarinMiller: I am not sure if it's about USB 3.0 or the OS when dealing with power [17:43] DarinMiller: The moment I unplug power, it smoothens out [17:43] Very weird [17:46] I know it is unhelpful, but I cannot resist. If it slowed when you unplugged, I would have guessed it was some kind of power-saving mode. [17:52] mparillo: Uh, not sure. Checking polling though === lethu_ is now known as lethu [19:52] Hi there! In my dashboard the option to shut down has vanished. does anyone know how to reset that? [19:53] I already reverted to presets in the KDE settings under "startup" of course. [19:54] but it does not reappear [19:55] nobody? [19:55] HI ther [19:56] Hangon, I'll just check see If I can help you with that [19:58] IrcsomeBot3: are you talking to me? [19:58] Yes [19:58] Sorry, I'm linked in to IRC via Telegram [19:58] IrcsomeBot3: no worries. [19:58] If you open a terminal and type ls -alh [19:59] you'll see a directory .kde [19:59] In there is all the configuration stuff for you user [20:00] you could try moving that file to say kde_backup [20:00] then logout and log back in [20:00] IrcsomeBot3: I just figured it out. I just had to change to the startup menu and then back to the dashboard. [20:00] Oh excellent, OK.. [20:00] IrcsomeBot3: Thanks a lot for your effort though! [20:12] Welcome 😃 [20:36] folks, flashplugin-installer fails cause the tar.gz isnt available [20:36] anything known? [21:04] !info flashplugin-installer [21:04] flashplugin-installer (source: flashplugin-nonfree): Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 24.0.0.186ubuntu0.16.10.1 (yakkety), package size 6 kB, installed size 58 kB (Only available for i386; amd64) [21:04] ghostcube: you might file a bug [21:05] easiest way is `ubuntu-bug flashplugin-installer` [21:05] in the commandline [21:09] hi all [21:10] how can I switch from ubuntu to kubuntu [21:11] because it looks like, just installing plasma is not working for me. my plasmashell is dying with aborted [21:11] a good start would be installing the package kubuntu-desktop [21:12] removing the ubuntu-desktop-specific stuff is more complicated and am not sure how to do that (but it's doable i expect) [21:14] + agree with dax advice [21:14] I am purging ubuntu* now [21:14] if you don't have anything to lose i would suggest a clean install using kubuntu imo [21:15] but will this help with my plasmashell issue? [21:15] i coouldn't tell you [21:15] as i've never done it before [21:15] is kde dead now? there is just plasma, right? [21:16] same thing [21:16] then again , i could be out of the loop :) [21:19] yeah, here are more than two people here :) [21:19] KDE is the community [21:19] Plasma is the desktop environment [21:20] in my days it was just KDE :) But things have changed since [21:20] kubuntu-desktop should get you what you need for your plasmashell at least [21:20] sure [21:21] I have to agree with sintre though -- a clean install of Kubuntu is the best route, if you have nothing to lose [21:25] the few times I tried to start with ubuntu/unity and then install KDE/kubuntu as well, never worked out well [21:25] Xubuntu/lubuntu/mate usually works not to badly [21:26] hmm this is strange [21:26] normally the distribution should not affect your desktop environment [21:26] I mean it wasn't 5-6 years ago [21:27] the distribution isn't the problem, it's removing all the cruft that was installed when you installed ubuntu that you no longer need [21:28] ubuntu's package management sets depends of metapackages as manually installed when you remove the metapackage (e.g. ubuntu-desktop), and it's a pain to figure out what *else* you need to remove without removing stuff kubuntu needs [21:33] acpi_osi= acpi_backlight acpi=ht ht=on nouveau.modeset=0 nomodeset i915.nomodeset=1 pci=nomsi [21:34] hmm download takes too long for strange reason. time enough to complete tron legacy :D [21:41] can somone paste their sources.list? [21:47] http://pastebin.com/LBhCVjgp [21:47] thanks [21:47] But that 's Neon Dev unstable. I can reboot into ZZ or YY if you like. [21:52] no that's fine [21:53] I just realized I don't need to reboot. I can just navigete to the respective directories and grab it. (duh!). [21:55] hi. i'm bored while installing kubuntu so i decided to IRC from this live session to distract my brain. [21:56] and i think it's freaking awesome that you can do just that. fire up a new konsole window, install irssi, bam, ready to go. [21:56] Hello q-buntu [21:56] welcome to kubuntu :) [21:56] Why not take a look at our website kubuntu.org [21:56] well, thank you. :) [21:56] oh i did, a number of times, actually. :) [21:57] ohhh, my system is installed and i can reboot. :) [21:57] We also have a podcast, audio and video, find out more on our site [21:57] well i'm usually the type of guy who chooses random operating systems or distributions for no reason. i often end up with complex and minimal operating systems. i thought i would give kubuntu another try because my girlfriend demands an easy-to-use computer and i have some spare thinkpads. [21:57] q-buntu take a look at Activities, google KDE Activities [21:58] they're awesome ;-D [21:58] what i'm trying to say is: i'm impressed how cool kubuntu got, really. [21:58] Thank you, can I use that in the next podcast as user feedback [21:58] well you'd be more impressed by the help you can find here or your girlfriend if thats the case [21:58] sick: will do, that's one of the concepts i never got along with to be honest, but since you explicitly recommend me to have a look at that i should give it another go it seems. :) [21:59] Definetly [21:59] Think of them as super light weight docker images or VM's [21:59] will be back with my "normal" irc client in 10-20 minutes after exchanging ssh public keys, thanks for easing my installation time, people. <3 [21:59]