| flocculant | ochosi: http://i.imgur.com/IwhF4NF.jpg http://i.imgur.com/IayMLPm.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/lJHO427.jpg | 07:54 |
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| flocculant | mmm | 07:55 |
| flocculant | after all that ignore the middle (application one) | 07:56 |
| flocculant | this is better for application http://i.imgur.com/hNCOHju.jpg | 08:00 |
| flocculant | hope that helps - if nothing else it will make you think :) | 08:02 |
| flocculant | ochosi: I really like the idea of show notifications on display with mouse pointer \o/ | 12:15 |
| flocculant | only slightly visual thing I would mention is the application list has 90deg corners, the log list has rounded corners at bottom - (perhaps because it has that Refresh/Clear button area?) | 12:19 |
| * flocculant generally doesn't like that whole square at top, rounded at bottom thing - which I assume is some gtk3 thing | 12:19 | |
| flocculant | ochosi: ummm - seems that while that all looks good - it's broken here. Open notify settings - set which to mute. Close settings - no notifications, re-open settings and those you unmuted are now muted again. | 12:25 |
| * flocculant is in and out for a while now | 12:25 | |
| ochosi | bluesabre: the inline toolbar buttons *are* linked. and i'll probably add icons later | 13:52 |
| ochosi | flocculant: ok, i'll check what i broke with restructuring the code and all | 13:53 |
| ochosi | the "display with mouse pointer" was always the default btw | 13:53 |
| ochosi | i just exposed it now by adding an alternative to it (primary display) | 13:53 |
| ochosi | i'll go through the rest of your suggestions later | 13:53 |
| ochosi | the heading subtitle cannot be changed dynamically | 13:53 |
| ochosi | but we can reformulate it | 13:53 |
| flocculant | I did think that was the case with subtitle - in which case the screenshot suggestion to remove 'screen' seems more important to me | 14:04 |
| flocculant | cya later :) | 14:04 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, there seems to be a space between them in this screener (compared to the stack buttons) http://i.imgur.com/xHEVzAv.png | 15:02 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yeah, that's not the latest version ;) | 15:07 |
| ochosi | i've fixed that already | 15:07 |
| bluesabre | :D | 15:10 |
| flocculant | :) | 15:10 |
| ochosi | but i guess now i need to look into what is broken with the settings | 15:15 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: if you wanna help out by submitting a patch for the g_idle_add callback you're more than welcome to ;) | 15:15 |
| flocculant | ochosi: I didn't notice this issue prior to last night | 15:16 |
| flocculant | not able to give you more of a clue than that :( | 15:16 |
| ochosi | np | 15:17 |
| * flocculant wanders off again | 15:17 | |
| ochosi | hopefully not a big deal | 15:17 |
| ochosi | flocculant: only the muted apps? or other settinsg too? | 15:17 |
| ochosi | ah | 15:18 |
| ochosi | i see | 15:18 |
| flocculant | ochosi: only seems to be the muted apps page that has an issue - other settings stay as I set them | 15:18 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, will take a look later | 15:18 |
| ochosi | it's because i added the icon | 15:18 |
| ochosi | flocculant: already fixed locally | 15:18 |
| flocculant | orly | 15:18 |
| flocculant | ochosi: ok \o/ | 15:19 |
| * flocculant really does wander off now :p | 15:19 | |
| flocculant | bluesabre: hi and have a great day :) | 15:19 |
| ochosi | flocculant: ok, pushed the fix. so i hope the rest is still fine (please keep testing ;)) | 15:30 |
| ochosi | flocculant: btw, if we invert the logic from "show notification" to "mute application" (i had that initially), then the switches in the list will be more unclear | 15:35 |
| ochosi | flocculant: e.g. does an active switch mean the app is muted..? or that it is "enabled"? | 15:35 |
| ochosi | flocculant: so that was my reasoning for doing it like this | 15:35 |
| flocculant | mmm - ok that makes sense to me | 15:49 |
| ochosi | but i agree, the usage of "muted" in the other context may not be ideal | 15:49 |
| flocculant | wonder how we can word that then | 15:49 |
| ochosi | yeah, i'm not 100% sure how to word all the options | 15:49 |
| flocculant | I'll think more on that for you :) | 15:50 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: still around? | 15:50 |
| ochosi | flocculant: thanks! | 15:50 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, aroundish | 15:50 |
| bluesabre | what's up? | 15:50 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: just wanted to add another button for opening the log in an external editor or at least showing the folder in a file-browser | 15:50 |
| ochosi | and you do that in catfish too | 15:51 |
| ochosi | so in terms of being lazy and not looking through the code, do you just use xdg-open directly with a path? | 15:51 |
| ochosi | (it seems to work from the term) | 15:51 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, or exo-open | 15:52 |
| ochosi | but exo-open is xfce specific | 15:52 |
| bluesabre | glib has a launch thing too | 15:52 |
| ochosi | and potentially will die, no? | 15:52 |
| bluesabre | one sec | 15:52 |
| ochosi | right.. | 15:52 |
| bluesabre | https://developer.gnome.org/gdk2/stable/GdkScreen.html#gdk-spawn-on-screen that's what you'll use to launch | 15:54 |
| ochosi | that has been deprecated... | 15:55 |
| ochosi | (you're looking at gdk2) | 15:55 |
| bluesabre | https://developer.gnome.org/gio/2.48/GAppInfo.html | 15:55 |
| bluesabre | https://developer.gnome.org/gio/2.48/GAppInfo.html#g-app-info-launch maybe? | 15:56 |
| ochosi | yeah, but then i would have to know what app | 15:56 |
| bluesabre | https://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2011-February/msg00684.html | 15:56 |
| bluesabre | yeah, xdg-open should be fine | 15:57 |
| bluesabre | don't imagine we'll be dropping exo-open though | 15:57 |
| ochosi | who knows | 15:57 |
| ochosi | maybe we'll just make exo-open a wrapper for xdg-open | 15:57 |
| bluesabre | looking for what else might be used | 15:58 |
| bluesabre | aha | 15:58 |
| bluesabre | here you go https://developer.gnome.org/gio/stable/GAppInfo.html#g-app-info-launch-default-for-uri | 15:58 |
| bluesabre | (use the one below that) | 15:59 |
| bluesabre | oh wait, nope | 15:59 |
| ochosi | :D | 15:59 |
| bluesabre | getting terms confused use g_app_info_launch_default_for_uri | 15:59 |
| * ochosi waits a little longer anyway to be sure | 15:59 | |
| bluesabre | ochosi, feel confident about that | 16:00 |
| ochosi | which one? | 16:00 |
| bluesabre | https://developer.gnome.org/gio/stable/GAppInfo.html#g-app-info-launch-default-for-uri | 16:00 |
| ochosi | the waiting? | 16:00 |
| ochosi | or any of your suggestions :D | 16:00 |
| bluesabre | maybe none of them :D | 16:00 |
| bluesabre | but that one seems like the A-OK acceptable one | 16:00 |
| ochosi | ok cool, i'll give it a shot | 16:01 |
| ochosi | also, if you wanna help me and flocculant in reviewing the naming of the current options feel free to! | 16:01 |
| bluesabre | sure thing | 16:01 |
| ochosi | i need more native speakers ;) | 16:01 |
| bluesabre | I'll probably use that function's python version in catfish | 16:02 |
| bluesabre | seems nice | 16:02 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: humm, somehow it doesn't work | 16:17 |
| ochosi | calling g_app_info_launch_default_for_uri (notify_log_path, NULL, NULL); | 16:17 |
| ochosi | with a valid log_path | 16:17 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, using uri? | 16:22 |
| bluesabre | file:// | 16:22 |
| ochosi | oh | 16:24 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: thanks for the hint, that works :) | 16:26 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, awesome! | 16:26 |
| ochosi | ...and pushed | 16:31 |
| flocculant | ochosi: not sure what's going on (maybe zesty) but I've pulled, distcleaned, rebuilt and still get the set things up, close then when it's re-opened - all are set to muted | 16:32 |
| flocculant | back tomorrow | 16:37 |
| ochosi | flocculant: you may need to clear the "muted_applications" setting in xfce4-settings-editor | 16:44 |
| ochosi | it was corrupted by the previous bug | 16:44 |
| ochosi | (i had to do that in order to fix it for myself) | 16:45 |
| flocculant | ochosi: that did it - thanks - back to testing it for you/me/us :p | 19:48 |
| ochosi | flocculant: nice :) | 20:21 |
| ochosi | flocculant: one more thing: changing strings means putting work to translators, so i usually am a little conservative about that | 20:25 |
| knome | hello | 20:31 |
| ochosi | hey knome | 20:40 |
| knome | hai ochosi | 20:41 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: what about renaming xfpanel-switch to something like "xfce panel layouts" or "xfce panel layouts manager" (in the UI at least and maybe in the desktop file) | 20:53 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, that sounds pretty reasonable to me | 21:12 |
| ochosi | plus i guess it would be a good idea to add an icon | 21:12 |
| ochosi | even if it's a copy of the panel icon | 21:12 |
| bluesabre | sounds fine to me | 21:13 |
| bluesabre | it's a simple utility app, no need for a special icon | 21:13 |
| ochosi | i wonder whether we should keep the name of the icon though | 21:15 |
| ochosi | cause that may cause packaging conflicts | 21:15 |
| bluesabre | it would, so it will look out of place until xfce icon themes get symlinks | 21:16 |
| bluesabre | we can submit patches where we care to :) | 21:16 |
| ochosi | yeah, guess so | 21:17 |
| bluesabre | I'll try to tackle that soon | 21:19 |
| ochosi | if you wanna update the makefile, i've already handled the rest | 21:21 |
| ochosi | but: do you also wanna rename the executable/desktop file itself? | 21:22 |
| ochosi | i.e. the project | 21:22 |
| ochosi | from xfpanel-switch to something more reasonable like "xfce4-panel-layouts" or something? | 21:22 |
| ochosi | or "xfce4-panel-layouts-manager" | 21:22 |
| ochosi | (even if it's a little long, at least it's clear) | 21:22 |
| bluesabre | probably not, it's already packaged in fedora/ubuntu (and maybe others) | 21:23 |
| ochosi | k, then i guess the icon also has to be xfpanel-switch | 21:24 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xfpanel-switch/dedicated_icon/+merge/314286 | 21:33 |
| flocculant | ochosi: I understand strings/translators - which is why I'm usually ok with us having bizarre wording - on the other hand - this is rather a big change to notifications - so surely 'now' would be a sensible time to change something? | 22:06 |
| flocculant | and really - now that it does what it does - it is no longer setting up screen notifications - but a lot more | 22:07 |
| flocculant | and I'm still not convinced by your argument re muting :) | 22:10 |
| flocculant | ochosi: on the logging tab, the log applications - how about visible instead of muted? | 22:14 |
| flocculant | the wording logic would need to swap though | 22:14 |
| ochosi | humm | 22:14 |
| ochosi | (and yeah, ofc now is the best time to change the wording, that's another reason why i work in a separate branch not to disturb translators all the time) | 22:15 |
| flocculant | yea :) | 22:15 |
| ochosi | visible... | 22:15 |
| ochosi | before we get more into wording | 22:16 |
| flocculant | ochosi: so my thinking is - on Application tab - we talk about apps we see or don't show notification | 22:16 |
| * flocculant waits | 22:16 | |
| ochosi | do you think a notification log counter is something that is needed? | 22:16 |
| ochosi | like the amount of notifications that are in the log | 22:16 |
| ochosi | currently i've set an implicit limit in the dialog to only show the first 100 items | 22:17 |
| ochosi | because with all the widgets there it may become excessive | 22:17 |
| flocculant | I don't think it would add much to it's usability | 22:17 |
| ochosi | no idea whether that will be efficient or not | 22:17 |
| ochosi | yeah, i could also show a warning saying that not all notifications in the log are shown | 22:17 |
| flocculant | would a popup on the current open log in editor button work? | 22:18 |
| flocculant | something like 'Show full log in text' | 22:19 |
| ochosi | a popup? | 22:19 |
| flocculant | the mouseover text | 22:19 |
| ochosi | you mean a tooltip | 22:19 |
| flocculant | yea | 22:19 |
| ochosi | yeah, but a tooltip is already there | 22:19 |
| flocculant | I know that :) | 22:19 |
| ochosi | i just wanna make the users aware that there is a limit and that it has been hit | 22:19 |
| ochosi | that was my thinking | 22:20 |
| ochosi | the tooltip is not the most discoverable place for that | 22:20 |
| ochosi | so i considered adding a line | 22:20 |
| flocculant | true | 22:20 |
| ochosi | at the bottom of the log | 22:20 |
| flocculant | x/xxx logs showing? | 22:20 |
| flocculant | ochosi: could you have the open log button in the same horizontal plane? | 22:21 |
| flocculant | leaving the refresh/clear buttons at the very bottom? | 22:21 |
| ochosi | i'll try something, give me a sec | 22:22 |
| flocculant | something like x/xxx logs showing *button* for opening log in editor? | 22:22 |
| flocculant | one day I'll make more effort how to fiddle about with bits like this :) | 22:25 |
| flocculant | not effort - learning ;) | 22:26 |
| ochosi | hm i think i need to fix some stuff there | 22:27 |
| ochosi | the limit doesn't seem to work | 22:27 |
| flocculant | I'd happily put effort in - no idea where to start though lol | 22:27 |
| ochosi | will have to do that another day though, too tired tonight.. | 22:27 |
| ochosi | yeah, usually start with a small bug | 22:27 |
| flocculant | :) | 22:27 |
| ochosi | get familiar with the code of a small component, etc | 22:27 |
| flocculant | like words :p | 22:27 |
| flocculant | what's gtkinspector? is that what it sounds like it should be? | 22:28 |
| flocculant | for instance - if I worked out how to do the wording - I could (I assume) change the code locally, build it and not have to scribble on bits of paper and scan it :D | 22:30 |
| * flocculant will look while you're asleep ;) | 22:30 | |
| ochosi | ok, this would be a start: http://i.imgur.com/etowHY6.png | 22:31 |
| ochosi | if you wanna play with wording etc install glade and then edit the file in xfce4-notifyd-config/xfce4-notifyd-config.glade | 22:31 |
| ochosi | that's really easy | 22:31 |
| * flocculant did install glade a few weeks ago - trying to work things out | 22:32 | |
| flocculant | ok - I will look tomorrow then \o/ | 22:32 |
| flocculant | thanks ochosi | 22:32 |
| flocculant | oh boo - that screenshot reminds me | 22:33 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: parole and 'some' media files ... bug 1650038 | 22:34 |
| ubottu | bug 1650038 in parole (Ubuntu) "mkv files report gstreamer backend error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1650038 | 22:34 |
| flocculant | oh - I think I pinged you about that ... sorry for the repeat lol | 22:35 |
| ochosi | moving the "open in external editor" button to the "showing .." line would be easy | 22:36 |
| flocculant | ochosi: then that would make more sense to me at least, 'You've got to 99 of 100 log entries, read the full log in text 'Button' | 22:39 |
| flocculant | or something that's not quite so long to read | 22:39 |
| flocculant | :p | 22:39 |
| ochosi | yeah :) | 22:39 |
| ochosi | i'll push what i have | 22:39 |
| flocculant | okey doke | 22:39 |
| ochosi | because then at least things work as they should and there is some notification about the limit | 22:39 |
| flocculant | yup | 22:39 |
| ochosi | ok done | 22:40 |
| flocculant | ochosi: just so you know - I'm quite adamant about losing the customise how notifications statement - makes 66% of sense :) | 22:40 |
| ochosi | gotta get some sleep | 22:40 |
| flocculant | yea - night night :) | 22:40 |
| ochosi | yeah, i considered renaming the whole thing | 22:41 |
| ochosi | just "Notification Center" | 22:41 |
| ochosi | no subtitle | 22:41 |
| flocculant | That would work | 22:41 |
| ochosi | or even just "Notifications" to spare the translators some work | 22:41 |
| ochosi | but the subtitle really doesn't make too much sense, i agree | 22:41 |
| flocculant | yea - losing it completely wouldn't be bad imho | 22:42 |
| flocculant | and just having Notifications works too | 22:42 |
| flocculant | go to sleep :D | 22:42 |
| ochosi | http://i.imgur.com/QEEImGP.png | 22:42 |
| ochosi | yup | 22:43 |
| ochosi | will do now | 22:43 |
| ochosi | looks a bit "naked" without a subtitle though | 22:43 |
| ochosi | anyway, nighty ;) | 22:43 |
| flocculant | anyone - got some odd libxfce4ui issue going on > http://i.imgur.com/uNfE6ni.png | 22:52 |
| flocculant | I think that's why I stopped looking lol | 22:53 |
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