[07:54] <flocculant> ochosi: http://i.imgur.com/IwhF4NF.jpg http://i.imgur.com/IayMLPm.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/lJHO427.jpg
[07:55] <flocculant> mmm
[07:56] <flocculant> after all that ignore the middle (application one) 
[08:00] <flocculant> this is better for application http://i.imgur.com/hNCOHju.jpg
[08:02] <flocculant> hope that helps - if nothing else it will make you think :)
[12:15] <flocculant> ochosi: I really like the idea of show notifications on display with mouse pointer \o/
[12:19] <flocculant> only slightly visual thing I would mention is the application list has 90deg corners, the log list has rounded corners at bottom - (perhaps because it has that Refresh/Clear button area?)
[12:19]  * flocculant generally doesn't like that whole square at top, rounded at bottom thing - which I assume is some gtk3 thing
[12:25] <flocculant> ochosi: ummm - seems that while that all looks good - it's broken here. Open notify settings - set which to mute. Close settings - no notifications, re-open settings and those you unmuted are now muted again.
[12:25]  * flocculant is in and out for a while now
[13:52] <ochosi> bluesabre: the inline toolbar buttons *are* linked. and i'll probably add icons later
[13:53] <ochosi> flocculant: ok, i'll check what i broke with restructuring the code and all
[13:53] <ochosi> the "display with mouse pointer" was always the default btw
[13:53] <ochosi> i just exposed it now by adding an alternative to it (primary display)
[13:53] <ochosi> i'll go through the rest of your suggestions later
[13:53] <ochosi> the heading subtitle cannot be changed dynamically
[13:53] <ochosi> but we can reformulate it
[14:04] <flocculant> I did think that was the case with subtitle - in which case the screenshot suggestion to remove 'screen' seems more important to me 
[14:04] <flocculant> cya later :)
[15:02] <bluesabre> ochosi, there seems to be a space between them in this screener (compared to the stack buttons) http://i.imgur.com/xHEVzAv.png
[15:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, that's not the latest version ;)
[15:07] <ochosi> i've fixed that already
[15:10] <bluesabre> :D
[15:10] <flocculant> :)
[15:15] <ochosi> but i guess now i need to look into what is broken with the settings
[15:15] <ochosi> bluesabre: if you wanna help out by submitting a patch for the g_idle_add callback you're more than welcome to ;)
[15:16] <flocculant> ochosi: I didn't notice this issue prior to last night
[15:16] <flocculant> not able to give you more of a clue than that :(
[15:17] <ochosi> np
[15:17]  * flocculant wanders off again 
[15:17] <ochosi> hopefully not a big deal
[15:17] <ochosi> flocculant: only the muted apps? or other settinsg too?
[15:18] <ochosi> ah
[15:18] <ochosi> i see
[15:18] <flocculant> ochosi: only seems to be the muted apps page that has an issue - other settings stay as I set them
[15:18] <bluesabre> ochosi, will take a look later
[15:18] <ochosi> it's because i added the icon
[15:18] <ochosi> flocculant: already fixed locally
[15:18] <flocculant> orly
[15:19] <flocculant> ochosi: ok \o/
[15:19]  * flocculant really does wander off now :p
[15:19] <flocculant> bluesabre: hi and have a great day :)
[15:30] <ochosi> flocculant: ok, pushed the fix. so i hope the rest is still fine (please keep testing ;))
[15:35] <ochosi> flocculant: btw, if we invert the logic from "show notification" to "mute application" (i had that initially), then the switches in the list will be more unclear
[15:35] <ochosi> flocculant: e.g. does an active switch mean the app is muted..? or that it is "enabled"?
[15:35] <ochosi> flocculant: so that was my reasoning for doing it like this
[15:49] <flocculant> mmm - ok that makes sense to me
[15:49] <ochosi> but i agree, the usage of "muted" in the other context may not be ideal
[15:49] <flocculant> wonder how we can word that then 
[15:49] <ochosi> yeah, i'm not 100% sure how to word all the options
[15:50] <flocculant> I'll think more on that for you :)
[15:50] <ochosi> bluesabre: still around?
[15:50] <ochosi> flocculant: thanks!
[15:50] <bluesabre> ochosi, aroundish
[15:50] <bluesabre> what's up?
[15:50] <ochosi> bluesabre: just wanted to add another button for opening the log in an external editor or at least showing the folder in a file-browser
[15:51] <ochosi> and you do that in catfish too
[15:51] <ochosi> so in terms of being lazy and not looking through the code, do you just use xdg-open directly with a path?
[15:51] <ochosi> (it seems to work from the term)
[15:52] <bluesabre> ochosi, or exo-open
[15:52] <ochosi> but exo-open is xfce specific
[15:52] <bluesabre> glib has a launch thing too
[15:52] <ochosi> and potentially will die, no?
[15:52] <bluesabre> one sec
[15:52] <ochosi> right..
[15:54] <bluesabre> https://developer.gnome.org/gdk2/stable/GdkScreen.html#gdk-spawn-on-screen that's what you'll use to launch
[15:55] <ochosi> that has been deprecated...
[15:55] <ochosi> (you're looking at gdk2)
[15:55] <bluesabre> https://developer.gnome.org/gio/2.48/GAppInfo.html
[15:56] <bluesabre> https://developer.gnome.org/gio/2.48/GAppInfo.html#g-app-info-launch  maybe?
[15:56] <ochosi> yeah, but then i would have to know what app
[15:56] <bluesabre> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2011-February/msg00684.html
[15:57] <bluesabre> yeah, xdg-open should be fine
[15:57] <bluesabre> don't imagine we'll be dropping exo-open though
[15:57] <ochosi> who knows
[15:57] <ochosi> maybe we'll just make exo-open a wrapper for xdg-open
[15:58] <bluesabre> looking for what else might be used
[15:58] <bluesabre> aha
[15:58] <bluesabre> here you go https://developer.gnome.org/gio/stable/GAppInfo.html#g-app-info-launch-default-for-uri
[15:59] <bluesabre> (use the one below that)
[15:59] <bluesabre> oh wait, nope
[15:59] <ochosi> :D
[15:59] <bluesabre> getting terms confused use g_app_info_launch_default_for_uri
[15:59]  * ochosi waits a little longer anyway to be sure
[16:00] <bluesabre> ochosi, feel confident about that
[16:00] <ochosi> which one?
[16:00] <bluesabre> https://developer.gnome.org/gio/stable/GAppInfo.html#g-app-info-launch-default-for-uri
[16:00] <ochosi> the waiting?
[16:00] <ochosi> or any of your suggestions :D
[16:00] <bluesabre> maybe none of them :D
[16:00] <bluesabre> but that one seems like the A-OK acceptable one
[16:01] <ochosi> ok cool, i'll give it a shot
[16:01] <ochosi> also, if you wanna help me and flocculant in reviewing the naming of the current options feel free to!
[16:01] <bluesabre> sure thing
[16:01] <ochosi> i need more native speakers ;)
[16:02] <bluesabre> I'll probably use that function's python version in catfish
[16:02] <bluesabre> seems nice
[16:17] <ochosi> bluesabre: humm, somehow it doesn't work
[16:17] <ochosi> calling g_app_info_launch_default_for_uri (notify_log_path, NULL, NULL);
[16:17] <ochosi> with a valid log_path
[16:22] <bluesabre> ochosi, using uri?
[16:22] <bluesabre> file://
[16:24] <ochosi> oh
[16:26] <ochosi> bluesabre: thanks for the hint, that works :)
[16:26] <bluesabre> ochosi, awesome!
[16:31] <ochosi> ...and pushed
[16:32] <flocculant> ochosi: not sure what's going on (maybe zesty) but I've pulled, distcleaned, rebuilt and still get the set things up, close then when it's re-opened - all are set to muted
[16:37] <flocculant> back tomorrow 
[16:44] <ochosi> flocculant: you may need to clear the "muted_applications" setting in xfce4-settings-editor
[16:44] <ochosi> it was corrupted by the previous bug
[16:45] <ochosi> (i had to do that in order to fix it for myself)
[19:48] <flocculant> ochosi: that did it - thanks - back to testing it for you/me/us :p
[20:21] <ochosi> flocculant: nice :)
[20:25] <ochosi> flocculant: one more thing: changing strings means putting work to translators, so i usually am a little conservative about that
[20:31] <knome> hello
[20:40] <ochosi> hey knome 
[20:41] <knome> hai ochosi 
[20:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: what about renaming xfpanel-switch to something like "xfce panel layouts" or "xfce panel layouts manager" (in the UI at least and maybe in the desktop file)
[21:12] <bluesabre> ochosi, that sounds pretty reasonable to me
[21:12] <ochosi> plus i guess it would be a good idea to add an icon
[21:12] <ochosi> even if it's a copy of the panel icon
[21:13] <bluesabre> sounds fine to me
[21:13] <bluesabre> it's a simple utility app, no need for a special icon
[21:15] <ochosi> i wonder whether we should keep the name of the icon though
[21:15] <ochosi> cause that may cause packaging conflicts
[21:16] <bluesabre> it would, so it will look out of place until xfce icon themes get symlinks
[21:16] <bluesabre> we can submit patches where we care to :)
[21:17] <ochosi> yeah, guess so
[21:19] <bluesabre> I'll try to tackle that soon
[21:21] <ochosi> if you wanna update the makefile, i've already handled the rest
[21:22] <ochosi> but: do you also wanna rename the executable/desktop file itself?
[21:22] <ochosi> i.e. the project
[21:22] <ochosi> from xfpanel-switch to something more reasonable like "xfce4-panel-layouts" or something?
[21:22] <ochosi> or "xfce4-panel-layouts-manager"
[21:22] <ochosi> (even if it's a little long, at least it's clear)
[21:23] <bluesabre> probably not, it's already packaged in fedora/ubuntu (and maybe others)
[21:24] <ochosi> k, then i guess the icon also has to be xfpanel-switch
[21:33] <ochosi> bluesabre: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xfpanel-switch/dedicated_icon/+merge/314286
[22:06] <flocculant> ochosi: I understand strings/translators - which is why I'm usually ok with us having bizarre wording - on the other hand - this is rather a big change to notifications - so surely 'now' would be a sensible time to change something?
[22:07] <flocculant> and really - now that it does what it does - it is no longer setting up screen notifications - but a lot more
[22:10] <flocculant> and I'm still not convinced by your argument re muting :)
[22:14] <flocculant> ochosi: on the logging tab, the log applications - how about visible instead of muted?
[22:14] <flocculant> the wording logic would need to swap though 
[22:14] <ochosi> humm
[22:15] <ochosi> (and yeah, ofc now is the best time to change the wording, that's another reason why i work in a separate branch not to disturb translators all the time)
[22:15] <flocculant> yea :)
[22:15] <ochosi> visible...
[22:16] <ochosi> before we get more into wording
[22:16] <flocculant> ochosi: so my thinking is - on Application tab - we talk about apps we see or don't show notification
[22:16]  * flocculant waits
[22:16] <ochosi> do you think a notification log counter is something that is needed?
[22:16] <ochosi> like the amount of notifications that are in the log
[22:17] <ochosi> currently i've set an implicit limit in the dialog to only show the first 100 items
[22:17] <ochosi> because with all the widgets there it may become excessive
[22:17] <flocculant> I don't think it would add much to it's usability
[22:17] <ochosi> no idea whether that will be efficient or not
[22:17] <ochosi> yeah, i could also show a warning saying that not all notifications in the log are shown
[22:18] <flocculant> would a popup on the current open log in editor button work? 
[22:19] <flocculant> something like 'Show full log in text' 
[22:19] <ochosi> a popup?
[22:19] <flocculant> the mouseover text
[22:19] <ochosi> you mean a tooltip
[22:19] <flocculant> yea
[22:19] <ochosi> yeah, but a tooltip is already there
[22:19] <flocculant> I know that :)
[22:19] <ochosi> i just wanna make the users aware that there is a limit and that it has been hit
[22:20] <ochosi> that was my thinking
[22:20] <ochosi> the tooltip is not the most discoverable place for that
[22:20] <ochosi> so i considered adding a line
[22:20] <flocculant> true
[22:20] <ochosi> at the bottom of the log
[22:20] <flocculant> x/xxx logs showing? 
[22:21] <flocculant> ochosi: could you have the open log button in the same horizontal plane? 
[22:21] <flocculant> leaving the refresh/clear buttons at the very bottom?
[22:22] <ochosi> i'll try something, give me a sec
[22:22] <flocculant> something like x/xxx logs showing *button* for opening log in editor?
[22:25] <flocculant> one day I'll make more effort how to fiddle about with bits like this :)
[22:26] <flocculant> not effort - learning ;)
[22:27] <ochosi> hm i think i need to fix some stuff there
[22:27] <ochosi> the limit doesn't seem to work
[22:27] <flocculant> I'd happily put effort in - no idea where to start though lol
[22:27] <ochosi> will have to do that another day though, too tired tonight..
[22:27] <ochosi> yeah, usually start with a small bug
[22:27] <flocculant> :)
[22:27] <ochosi> get familiar with the code of a small component, etc
[22:27] <flocculant> like words :p
[22:28] <flocculant> what's gtkinspector? is that what it sounds like it should be? 
[22:30] <flocculant> for instance - if I worked out how to do the wording - I could (I assume) change the code locally, build it and not have to scribble on bits of paper and scan it :D
[22:30]  * flocculant will look while you're asleep ;)
[22:31] <ochosi> ok, this would be a start: http://i.imgur.com/etowHY6.png
[22:31] <ochosi> if you wanna play with wording etc install glade and then edit the file in xfce4-notifyd-config/xfce4-notifyd-config.glade
[22:31] <ochosi> that's really easy
[22:32]  * flocculant did install glade a few weeks ago - trying to work things out
[22:32] <flocculant> ok - I will look tomorrow then \o/
[22:32] <flocculant> thanks ochosi 
[22:33] <flocculant> oh boo - that screenshot reminds me 
[22:34] <flocculant> bluesabre: parole and 'some' media files ... bug 1650038
[22:35] <flocculant> oh - I think I pinged you about that ... sorry for the repeat lol
[22:36] <ochosi> moving the "open in external editor" button to the "showing .." line would be easy
[22:39] <flocculant> ochosi: then that would make more sense to me at least, 'You've got to 99 of 100 log entries, read the full log in text 'Button'
[22:39] <flocculant> or something that's not quite so long to read 
[22:39] <flocculant> :p
[22:39] <ochosi> yeah :)
[22:39] <ochosi> i'll push what i have
[22:39] <flocculant> okey doke
[22:39] <ochosi> because then at least things work as they should and there is some notification about the limit
[22:39] <flocculant> yup
[22:40] <ochosi> ok done
[22:40] <flocculant> ochosi: just so you know - I'm quite adamant about losing the customise how notifications statement - makes 66% of sense :)
[22:40] <ochosi> gotta get some sleep
[22:40] <flocculant> yea - night night :)
[22:41] <ochosi> yeah, i considered renaming the whole thing
[22:41] <ochosi> just "Notification Center"
[22:41] <ochosi> no subtitle
[22:41] <flocculant> That would work 
[22:41] <ochosi> or even just "Notifications" to spare the translators some work
[22:41] <ochosi> but the subtitle really doesn't make too much sense, i agree
[22:42] <flocculant> yea - losing it completely wouldn't be bad imho
[22:42] <flocculant> and just having Notifications works too 
[22:42] <flocculant> go to sleep :D
[22:42] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/QEEImGP.png
[22:43] <ochosi> yup
[22:43] <ochosi> will do now
[22:43] <ochosi> looks a bit "naked" without a subtitle though
[22:43] <ochosi> anyway, nighty ;)
[22:52] <flocculant> anyone - got some odd libxfce4ui issue going on > http://i.imgur.com/uNfE6ni.png
[22:53] <flocculant> I think that's why I stopped looking lol