| zmoylan-pi | a 7" laptop running linux... not a psion but looks interesting... http://liliputing.com/2017/01/gpd-pocket-will-7-inch-touchscreen-laptop-windows-ubuntu-support.html | 00:37 |
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| daftykins | apollo lake would make more sense | 00:39 |
| zmoylan-pi | perhaps but i'm just glad that someone is looking to the micro market again. i was listening to a podcast recently of someone running mame on a toshiba libretto. a pc the size of a vhs casette | 00:44 |
| penguin42 | libretto were cute | 00:47 |
| zmoylan-pi | they were around and got a lot of usage in places showing there is a market for very small useable hardware | 00:48 |
| penguin42 | yeh, although these days just adding a folding keyboard to a 7" tablet is probably the right thing | 00:49 |
| daftykins | :D | 00:52 |
| daftykins | i wanted one of those when i was a kid, before i settled on the Psion 3c | 00:52 |
| daftykins | young me wanted a laptop so bad, he sold his game boy :( | 00:52 |
| daftykins | talk about buyers remorse | 00:52 |
| zmoylan-pi | the folding keyboards don't support the tablet well enough to use securely on a lap on a train | 00:53 |
| penguin42 | haha, the Psion was kind of nice for it's use, but not as a general machine | 00:53 |
| zmoylan-pi | i used the psions as a main machine at home | 00:54 |
| zmoylan-pi | ...probably explains my getting by with dumb phones :-) | 00:54 |
| daftykins | oh man i found the 90s game 'Track Attack' by Microprose hidden in the eaves cupboard at my folks today, along with some old DOS Conan the Barbarian | 00:54 |
| penguin42 | hth did you use a psion as a main machine?! | 00:56 |
| zmoylan-pi | it did word processing, spreadsheets, databases and i could fit all my data into those plus i could write program in opl for things i needed | 00:58 |
| zmoylan-pi | when i switched to a psion 5 it did the internet quite well on top of the rest | 00:58 |
| zmoylan-pi | and lived in my pocket and ran for a week on 2 aa batteries | 00:59 |
| daftykins | :D | 01:01 |
| daftykins | i do hope my dad finds my 3c eventually | 01:01 |
| daftykins | kept it around for a crossword helping function i think | 01:02 |
| zmoylan-pi | i remember an alarm engineer who used our accounting software asking about it and what it could do and in the time i showed him i exported his databases to a csv and read them into the psion database and showed him how it could store all his info so it was always in his pocket. | 01:05 |
| daftykins | \o/ | 01:07 |
| zmoylan-pi | this was in mid 90s when simple data exchanges where often complicated and horrible and to do it on a mobile device... | 01:08 |
| penguin42 | back in about 95 I used it for taking notes; very good for walking around the university library in when I was reading papers on stuff doing research before it was all online | 01:08 |
| zmoylan-pi | and none of the modern fondle slabs does the job as well | 01:09 |
| daftykins | in about '99 i got the ok to install PsiWin on the school library 486s so i could transfer some homework and print it | 01:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | it's why i like my qwerty based dumbphone | 01:10 |
| penguin42 | yeh the Psion keyboard was really great for thumb typing - until the hinge went | 01:11 |
| penguin42 | (Mine was the Acorn branded one) | 01:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | there were schools using those a lot instead of school books back in the day. tiny, weighed next to nothing. quite powerful | 01:11 |
| daftykins | i had some game set with Horace on! | 01:12 |
| penguin42 | well, not THAT powerful | 01:12 |
| daftykins | solid state cards! | 01:12 |
| * penguin42 had the fileshare setup on Linux | 01:13 | |
| daftykins | the backlight was really good on the 3c | 01:14 |
| penguin42 | not bad for 2AAs | 01:16 |
| penguin42 | someone really should build a modern tablet into a Psion 3 shell with modern batteries and preferably a better hinge | 01:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | i wish someone would make a case for the pi zero that was a keyboard and small screen like a psion 3 or 5 or even a z88 | 01:24 |
| penguin42 | z88 was a bit unbalanced - big keyboard tiny screen | 01:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | but a very comfy keyboard... | 01:25 |
| daftykins | hmm is there any video output on any of the pin groupings so that a portable wouldn't have to use HDMI? i'm not sure how suited to low power HDMI is... | 01:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | think of that with say a 4" modern phone screen... | 01:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | the pis have an analog video out, it's how i attached it to scart :-) | 01:27 |
| daftykins | you'd want to actually read something though ;) | 01:28 |
| daftykins | composite is blech | 01:28 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: A lot of the mobile chips have MIPI I think | 01:28 |
| zmoylan-pi | and i seem to remember some folk have hooked them up to nokia 3310 screens | 01:29 |
| daftykins | ah har | 01:29 |
| zmoylan-pi | so at least one part of the device would be unbreakable :-P | 01:29 |
| daftykins | Bruce Willis'd | 01:35 |
| daftykins | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc6uCH_xtJE | 01:41 |
| daftykins | our man in Manhattan is "making boards great again" | 01:42 |
| daftykins | <Louis> i had a customer call me out on that... i repaired a 13" macbook air and used a BIOS chip from an 11", copying the ME region over... so they asked me if i'd made it smaller | 03:01 |
| daftykins | because the "about this mac" said "11" macbook air" on a 13" model | 03:01 |
| daftykins | :D | 03:01 |
| knightwise | morning everyone | 07:01 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:31 |
| penguin42 | anyone else see a power blip at 4am ? | 12:29 |
| * penguin42 saw the lights go for a subsecond and looking at my logs I see my virgin cable went out at the same time (and didn't come back until a couple of hours ago) | 12:30 | |
| knightphone | hmm a raspberry powered earthquake connector | 12:39 |
| knightphone | now thats interesting | 12:39 |
| penguin42 | hmm yeh, my cctv shows the street lights went as well | 12:41 |
| zmoylan-pi | the hour of pi...when all the rasp pis on the planet send out a command to any physical devices they are controlling to activate at the same time... | 12:42 |
| penguin42 | (not that it's UPS backed but the PC that records it has a big PSU but only draws ~20W from it so lasts ages) | 12:42 |
| popey | penguin42: not here | 12:42 |
| penguin42 | must have been a local squirrel being fried on a local substation | 12:44 |
| zmoylan-pi | ninja squirrels, fighting the system | 12:44 |
| MartijnVdS | Glitch in the matrix? | 12:45 |
| zmoylan-pi | i think at last count squirrels took down more power systems than hackers | 12:59 |
| penguin42 | squirrels *are* hackers | 12:59 |
| zmoylan-pi | more gnawers than hackers | 13:00 |
| zmoylan-pi | but their problem solving skills are not in doubt... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUDOTefoVAA | 13:02 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | 18:09 |
| popey | hello | 18:31 |
| daftykins | \o | 18:42 |
| daftykins | it's happened, i spotted my first creme egg display | 18:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | daftykins, well I ended up with some left over christmas choclate, and mini eggs on the same day a few days bac k | 18:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | they pretty much sell easter chocolate the day after christmas here | 18:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | popey, daftykins in other news thats nice the fedora 25 sseemes to work well with wayland from my live | 18:44 |
| * SebthreeBQM10HD is actsually setting up quad boot here ;d | 18:44 | |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | Windows, plus three distros | 18:44 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well unless something happens and the uefi makes it all go wrong or something | 18:44 |
| * SebthreeBQM10HD re setting up a lap top | 18:44 | |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | popey, what do you personally think about well the direction of ubuntu touch etc? seems a lot of people got things wrong on the omgubuntu link the other day in the comments | 18:45 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I guess makes sense to stop the ota's though really, whilst things turn into ubuntu personal etc | 18:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | or snap system etc | 18:46 |
| popey | SebthreeBQM10HD: i should update my fedora install... | 19:10 |
| popey | i found the ssd with it on while tidying up yesterday. | 19:10 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | popey, naughtye naughtey your not allowed to use other desktop Linux distros now, you work for Canonical, h eh : d | 19:14 |
| diddledan | SebthreeBQM10HD: popey is an equal opportunities open sourcer :-p | 19:15 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | popey, well I found my HP USB of Win 8.1 a few days ago which started all this off :d. | 19:15 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | popey, you can look at things to copy from Fedora for Ubuntu though h eh :d | 19:15 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but other then that, no other distros like that allowed, you work for Canonical, h eh | 19:16 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | diddledan, yeah they might get a better expereince with Fedora :d h eh | 19:16 |
| popey | i have an ssd which contains 4x60GB partitions. One is debian, one fedora, an arch and a suse install :) | 19:20 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | popey, oh | 19:20 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | popey, well I am about to quad boot now :d | 19:21 |
| diddledan | popey: I'm ashamed, you need a Gentoo, too | 19:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | shame my last distor will need a re burn to a usb | 19:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | using something else to I think | 19:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but ok the ubuntu 16.10 and fedora 25 usbs work | 19:21 |
| daftykins | arch covers his Linux ricer obligations! | 19:21 |
| popey | hehe | 19:21 |
| diddledan | you don't know you're alive until you've spent 6 months living entirely in Gentoo compiling everything | 19:21 |
| popey | i thought gentoo was dead ;) | 19:21 |
| popey | in fact, i might dig that out now and update them all | 19:21 |
| diddledan | lol | 19:21 |
| diddledan | \o/ | 19:22 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | GNOME in wayland is sort of boring :d | 19:22 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | since it works so well | 19:22 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | h eh | 19:22 |
| diddledan | is \o/ a bow-legged lol? | 19:22 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | popey, I assume you been reaing ubunt utouch things recently, what do you think of the general direction etc ? | 19:23 |
| popey | \o/ is arms in the air | 19:24 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | popey, you mean its all a bit uncertain ? | 19:25 |
| diddledan | and lol is the same arms but higher :-p | 19:25 |
| popey | eh? | 19:25 |
| popey | I didn't say anything | 19:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | popey, Ubuntu touch otas on hold I read, whilst things turn into a snappy system | 19:25 |
| diddledan | don't believe everything you read | 19:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | then once snappy system older phones such as the bq's and mx4 appranatly may not work | 19:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | with it | 19:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and 16.04 update should be coming to tablet | 19:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and no new ubuntu phones untill snappy system | 19:26 |
| diddledan | this whole "OMGZ0R THE END OF THE WORLD" is thoroughly detestful | 19:26 |
| popey | its a bit bonkers | 19:27 |
| diddledan | ^^ so much this | 19:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | diddledan, its not dead if that's what you mean, certian people on omgubuntu thought it was though | 19:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I know changes are coming | 19:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but taking time | 19:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I know the whole 15.04 based system will get dropped | 19:27 |
| diddledan | bonkers is a good word for it | 19:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | you mean ther should be some otas in the mean time really | 19:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | ? | 19:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | not just some security updates | 19:28 |
| daftykins | although that'd be true if they hadn't released creme eggs this year | 19:29 |
| diddledan | I nearly succumbed to creme eggs today | 19:29 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yeah the Ubuntu touch devs are eating too many creame eggs, and not devloping ubuntu toch enough as a result, so had to dorp otas :d | 19:29 |
| daftykins | :D | 19:30 |
| daftykins | i saw them for the first time today, mmm | 19:30 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | apparnatly a bit smaller this year | 19:30 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | since brexit ? | 19:30 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | :D | 19:30 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | oh but your on the isalnd so | 19:31 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | no not sure about the cremae egg seriosly for that one ,but the toberone apparnatly became smaller because of that and cost of ingridents | 19:31 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | daftykins, your creame eggs would come directly from UK I assume | 19:31 |
| popey | right, disk installed... which to update first... debian I think, expect that to succeed :) | 19:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | popey, well I am doing Ubuntu 16.10 now | 19:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | followed by Fedora 25 | 19:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | assuming things still ok with grub etc on uefi system as well after that then yeah Mageia 5.1 as well after making a new usb for that in another way, had a problem | 19:34 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | popey, I'll have a nice quad boot after that :d | 19:34 |
| diddledan | boot them all in separate VM simultaneously and update them all at the same time | 19:34 |
| popey | not sure that's possible. | 19:35 |
| daftykins | sure it is :> | 19:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | diddledan yeah vm's :), but for my ones got proper reaosns wanting them alll on real hardware | 19:35 |
| popey | guess I could point kvm at each partition | 19:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | with enoguh ram should be able to do a few vms yes | 19:35 |
| popey | cant see that working as they'd each want exclusive access to the disk | 19:37 |
| popey | to do mbr updating and stuff | 19:37 |
| popey | debian has 220 packages to upgrade :D | 19:37 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | popey, sounds about right | 19:38 |
| penguin42 | yeh it's a little tricky to pick up something that thinks it's installed on a raw disk into a VM; it's OK if it's always been installed in it's own partition which it thinks it is it's own disk | 19:38 |
| penguin42 | or if you give the whole disk to the vm | 19:38 |
| daftykins | probably not wise on a budget SSD to hammer it so, anyways | 19:53 |
| diddledan | I only hammer disks when I want to be sure about erasing a file | 19:57 |
| diddledan | e.g. that file from SIS about the illegal interrogations I stole | 19:57 |
| * diddledan waits for a knock | 19:58 | |
| daftykins | Silicon Image Systems? that's quite the branch out :D | 20:00 |
| daftykins | at least it means no more terrible chipsets ;D | 20:00 |
| diddledan | lol | 20:04 |
| diddledan | so bbc iplayer - they ask you to say whether you have a license or not, but they don't actually capture any details about you as evidence | 20:55 |
| daftykins | nope they have no feature to detect or track | 21:09 |
| daftykins | eventually they might move to account based usage, but that's years away | 21:09 |
| brobostigon | cant they track your ip, then fro that ip work out which isp your with, and from there do geolocation? | 21:10 |
| brobostigon | its not, cant they, they can. | 21:10 |
| diddledan | but how does geolocating me within the UK help them determine that I've not got a license? | 21:11 |
| diddledan | (I have got a license, I'm being theoretical) | 21:11 |
| brobostigon | doesnt the tv licence db, tell who has a tv licence and where? | 21:11 |
| daftykins | goes back to the recent argument in courts that you can't guarantee a subscriber is the person using a given connection | 21:11 |
| diddledan | yes but my IP doesn't tell them what my address is | 21:12 |
| brobostigon | tor for exaple. | 21:12 |
| daftykins | surely it'd be against data protection to mix that with info on ISP subscriptions | 21:12 |
| daftykins | anyway, long story short it's an honour system right now | 21:12 |
| brobostigon | i agree, daftykins | 21:12 |
| diddledan | my ISP is not allowed to tell the BBC where I live, unless it is public information, due to Data Protection legislation | 21:12 |
| daftykins | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/07/fm_radio_being_phased_out_in_norway/ D: | 21:13 |
| diddledan | all my IP proves is that I'm somewhere in the UK | 21:13 |
| daftykins | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/07/tv_anchor_says_alexa_buy_me_a_dollhouse_and_she_does/ - this is hilarious | 21:13 |
| diddledan | alexa, buy porn | 21:14 |
| brobostigon | yes, it doesnt quite work the sae as trying to geolocate my phone. | 21:14 |
| diddledan | your phone is less likely to be locatable unless you accept the prompt to share your location via a webpage | 21:15 |
| brobostigon | or accept i can be geolocated roughly from aerial connections. | 21:16 |
| diddledan | that data isn't shared with websites | 21:16 |
| diddledan | it's only shared if you say yes to the prompt | 21:16 |
| popey | 531 updates to fedora.. it's fedora 23. I should probably upgrade it | 21:17 |
| diddledan | what number is fedora on these days? | 21:17 |
| brobostigon | or if there a is an order by home secretery with judicial approval to pull that data, | 21:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | your smart tv is grassing you out... :-) | 21:18 |
| diddledan | zmoylan-pi: what about my internet connected adult toy? | 21:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | well that has you by the short and curlies... | 21:18 |
| popey | 25 now. | 21:19 |
| diddledan | the internet of things really does make you wonder when your sexual habbits are sent to a company HQ for analysis | 21:19 |
| zmoylan-pi | the graph charts at meetings are probably real eye openers... | 21:20 |
| zmoylan-pi | and you can't keep pink in any of the printers for long.... | 21:20 |
| brobostigon | maybe gchq does these kinds of things already? who knows. | 21:20 |
| diddledan | I expect they require a user-account with other personal details such as height weight and such | 21:20 |
| diddledan | I wonder whether anyone has designed a 3D printable thingy yet? | 21:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | probably first thing printed out... | 21:21 |
| diddledan | lol | 21:21 |
| diddledan | like knorks were the first ever image sent over the network? | 21:21 |
| diddledan | followed-shortly by the virus which pretended to be knorks | 21:22 |
| popey | whee, upgrading fedora 23 to 24, 1580 packages to do | 21:39 |
| daftykins | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/06/uk_cases_highlight_different_routes_taken_by_prosecutors_over_the_supply_of_modified_tv_settop_boxes/ | 21:40 |
| daftykins | ooh that'd be nice to get all those pesky android box slingers finished off | 21:40 |
| deltaforce | Hello | 21:51 |
| daftykins | lo | 21:53 |
| diddledan | "Under section 296ZB(1)(c)(i) of the CDPA, it is an offence if a person, in the course of a business, sells or lets for hire any device, product or component which is primarily designed, produced, or adapted for the purpose of enabling or facilitating the circumvention of effective technological measures." | 22:06 |
| diddledan | surely if you are able to circumvent then you can claim they're ineffective technological measures? | 22:06 |
| daftykins | yay Louis \o/ https://youtu.be/LUvyosaLW8o | 22:06 |
| zmoylan-pi | you could ban screwdrivers with that | 22:06 |
| diddledan | daftykins: he's making a huge mess of that board | 22:08 |
| popey | ooh, fedora 23 to 24 upgrade finished. | 22:08 |
| daftykins | nah they start as a mess :) | 22:09 |
| daftykins | then they work and they still are, 'cause they're fruity tech ;) | 22:09 |
| popey | wheee, now Fedora 24->25 in progress | 22:16 |
| daftykins | ;] | 22:17 |
| daftykins | you and your updates! | 22:17 |
| * diddledan updates daftykins . quite hard. | 22:17 | |
| daftykins | err | 22:19 |
| * zmoylan-pi points and laughs at daftykins new theme... | 22:21 | |
| daftykins | oh my Tux, my cat is eating an envelope | 22:25 |
| diddledan | \o/ | 22:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | that'll teach the dog pound to solicit donations... | 22:28 |
| zmoylan-pi | and video it for a get out of jail 'the cat ate my tax return' :-) | 22:34 |
| daftykins | :D | 22:36 |
| zmoylan-pi | if the internet is any guide, there's no jury that will convict someone who gives them cat videos... :-D | 22:37 |
| daftykins | https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B0154RIT60/ | 22:39 |
| daftykins | wow that bluray i watched was potentially a bad release | 22:39 |
| daftykins | two others have a bad experience | 22:39 |
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