[00:37] <zmoylan-pi> a 7" laptop running linux... not a psion but looks interesting... http://liliputing.com/2017/01/gpd-pocket-will-7-inch-touchscreen-laptop-windows-ubuntu-support.html
[00:39] <daftykins> apollo lake would make more sense
[00:44] <zmoylan-pi> perhaps but i'm just glad that someone is looking to the micro market again.  i was listening to a podcast recently of someone running mame on a toshiba libretto.  a pc the size of a vhs casette
[00:47] <penguin42> libretto were cute
[00:48] <zmoylan-pi> they were around and got a lot of usage in places showing there is a market for very small useable hardware
[00:49] <penguin42> yeh, although these days just adding a folding keyboard to a 7" tablet is probably the right thing
[00:52] <daftykins> :D
[00:52] <daftykins> i wanted one of those when i was a kid, before i settled on the Psion 3c
[00:52] <daftykins> young me wanted a laptop so bad, he sold his game boy :(
[00:52] <daftykins> talk about buyers remorse
[00:53] <zmoylan-pi> the folding keyboards don't support the tablet well enough to use securely on a lap on a train
[00:53] <penguin42> haha, the Psion was kind of nice for it's use, but not as a general machine
[00:54] <zmoylan-pi> i used the psions as a main machine at home
[00:54] <zmoylan-pi> ...probably explains my getting by with dumb phones :-)
[00:54] <daftykins> oh man i found the 90s game 'Track Attack' by Microprose hidden in the eaves cupboard at my folks today, along with some old DOS Conan the Barbarian
[00:56] <penguin42> hth did you use a psion as a main machine?!
[00:58] <zmoylan-pi> it did word processing, spreadsheets, databases and i could fit all my data into those plus i could write program in opl for things i needed
[00:58] <zmoylan-pi> when i switched to a psion 5 it did the internet quite well on top of the rest
[00:59] <zmoylan-pi> and lived in my pocket and ran for a week on 2 aa batteries
[01:01] <daftykins> :D
[01:01] <daftykins> i do hope my dad finds my 3c eventually
[01:02] <daftykins> kept it around for a crossword helping function i think
[01:05] <zmoylan-pi> i remember an alarm engineer who used our accounting software asking about it and what it could do and in the time i showed him i exported his databases to a csv and read them into the psion database and showed him how it could store all his info so it was always in his pocket.
[01:07] <daftykins> \o/
[01:08] <zmoylan-pi> this was in mid 90s when simple data exchanges where often complicated and horrible and to do it on a mobile device...
[01:08] <penguin42> back in about 95 I used it for taking notes; very good for walking around the university library in when I was reading papers on stuff doing research before it was all online
[01:09] <zmoylan-pi> and none of the modern fondle slabs does the job as well
[01:10] <daftykins> in about '99 i got the ok to install PsiWin on the school library 486s so i could transfer some homework and print it
[01:10] <zmoylan-pi> it's why i like my qwerty based dumbphone
[01:11] <penguin42> yeh the Psion keyboard was really great for thumb typing - until the hinge went
[01:11] <penguin42> (Mine was the Acorn branded one)
[01:11] <zmoylan-pi> there were schools using those a lot instead of school books back in the day.  tiny, weighed next to nothing. quite powerful
[01:12] <daftykins> i had some game set with Horace on!
[01:12] <penguin42> well, not THAT powerful
[01:12] <daftykins> solid state cards!
[01:13]  * penguin42 had the fileshare setup on Linux
[01:14] <daftykins> the backlight was really good on the 3c
[01:16] <penguin42> not bad for 2AAs
[01:17] <penguin42> someone really should build a modern tablet into a Psion 3 shell with modern batteries and preferably a better hinge
[01:24] <zmoylan-pi> i wish someone would make a case for the pi zero that was a keyboard and small screen like a psion 3 or 5 or even a z88
[01:25] <penguin42> z88 was a bit unbalanced - big keyboard tiny screen
[01:25] <zmoylan-pi> but a very comfy keyboard...
[01:26] <daftykins> hmm is there any video output on any of the pin groupings so that a portable wouldn't have to use HDMI? i'm not sure how suited to low power HDMI is...
[01:26] <zmoylan-pi> think of that with say a 4" modern phone screen...
[01:27] <zmoylan-pi> the pis have an analog video out, it's how i attached it to scart :-)
[01:28] <daftykins> you'd want to actually read something though ;)
[01:28] <daftykins> composite is blech
[01:28] <penguin42> daftykins: A lot of the mobile chips have MIPI I think
[01:29] <zmoylan-pi> and i seem to remember some folk have hooked them up to nokia 3310 screens
[01:29] <daftykins> ah har
[01:29] <zmoylan-pi> so at least one part of the device would be unbreakable :-P
[01:35] <daftykins> Bruce Willis'd
[01:41] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc6uCH_xtJE
[01:42] <daftykins> our man in Manhattan is "making boards great again"
 i had a customer call me out on that... i repaired a 13" macbook air and used a BIOS chip from an 11", copying the ME region over... so they asked me if i'd made it smaller
[03:01] <daftykins> because the "about this mac" said "11" macbook air" on a 13" model
[03:01] <daftykins> :D
[07:01] <knightwise> morning everyone
[09:31] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[12:29] <penguin42> anyone else see a power blip at 4am ?
[12:30]  * penguin42 saw the lights go for a subsecond and looking at my logs I see my virgin cable went out at the same time (and didn't come back until a couple of hours ago)
[12:39] <knightphone> hmm a raspberry powered earthquake connector
[12:39] <knightphone> now thats interesting
[12:41] <penguin42> hmm yeh, my cctv shows the street lights went as well
[12:42] <zmoylan-pi> the hour of pi...when all the rasp pis on the planet send out a command to any physical devices they are controlling to activate at the same time...
[12:42] <penguin42> (not that it's UPS backed but the PC that records it has a big PSU but only draws ~20W from it so lasts ages)
[12:42] <popey> penguin42: not here
[12:44] <penguin42> must have been a local squirrel being fried on a local substation
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> ninja squirrels, fighting the system
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> Glitch in the matrix?
[12:59] <zmoylan-pi>  i think at last count squirrels took down more power systems than hackers
[12:59] <penguin42> squirrels *are* hackers
[13:00] <zmoylan-pi> more gnawers than hackers
[13:02] <zmoylan-pi> but their problem solving skills are not in doubt... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUDOTefoVAA
[18:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[18:31] <popey> hello
[18:42] <daftykins> \o
[18:43] <daftykins> it's happened, i spotted my first creme egg display
[18:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, well I ended up  with some left over christmas choclate, and mini eggs on the same day a few days bac k
[18:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> they pretty much sell easter chocolate the day after christmas here
[18:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, daftykins in other news thats nice the fedora 25 sseemes to work well with wayland from my live
[18:44]  * SebthreeBQM10HD is actsually setting up  quad boot here ;d
[18:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Windows, plus three distros
[18:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well unless something happens and the uefi makes it all go wrong or something
[18:44]  * SebthreeBQM10HD re setting up a lap top
[18:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, what do you personally think about well the direction of ubuntu touch etc?  seems a lot of people got things wrong on the omgubuntu link the other  day in the comments
[18:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I guess makes sense to stop the ota's though really,  whilst things turn into ubuntu personal etc
[18:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or snap system etc
[19:10] <popey> SebthreeBQM10HD: i should update my fedora install...
[19:10] <popey> i found the ssd with it on while tidying up yesterday.
[19:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, naughtye naughtey your not allowed to use other desktop Linux distros now, you work for Canonical, h eh : d
[19:15] <diddledan> SebthreeBQM10HD: popey is an equal opportunities open sourcer :-p
[19:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, well I found my HP  USB of Win 8.1 a few days ago which started all this off :d.
[19:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, you can look at things to copy from Fedora for Ubuntu though h eh :d
[19:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but other then that, no other distros like that allowed, you work for Canonical, h eh
[19:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> diddledan, yeah they might get a better expereince  with Fedora :d h eh
[19:20] <popey> i have an ssd which contains 4x60GB partitions. One is debian, one fedora, an arch and a suse install :)
[19:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, oh
[19:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, well I am about to quad boot now :d
[19:21] <diddledan> popey: I'm ashamed, you need a Gentoo, too
[19:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> shame my last distor will need a re burn to a usb
[19:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> using something else to I think
[19:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but ok the ubuntu 16.10 and fedora 25 usbs work
[19:21] <daftykins> arch covers his Linux ricer obligations!
[19:21] <popey> hehe
[19:21] <diddledan> you don't know you're alive until you've spent 6 months living entirely in Gentoo compiling everything
[19:21] <popey> i thought gentoo was dead ;)
[19:21] <popey> in fact, i might dig that out now and update them all
[19:21] <diddledan> lol
[19:22] <diddledan> \o/
[19:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> GNOME in wayland is sort of boring :d
[19:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since it works so well
[19:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> h eh
[19:22] <diddledan> is \o/ a bow-legged lol?
[19:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, I assume you been reaing ubunt utouch things recently, what do you think of the general direction etc ?
[19:24] <popey> \o/ is arms in the air
[19:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, you mean its all a bit uncertain ?
[19:25] <diddledan> and lol is the same arms but higher :-p
[19:25] <popey> eh?
[19:25] <popey> I didn't say anything
[19:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, Ubuntu touch otas on hold I read,  whilst things turn into a snappy system
[19:26] <diddledan> don't believe everything you read
[19:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> then  once  snappy system older phones such as the bq's  and mx4 appranatly may not work
[19:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with it
[19:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and 16.04 update should be coming to tablet
[19:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and no new ubuntu phones untill snappy system
[19:26] <diddledan> this whole "OMGZ0R THE END OF THE WORLD" is thoroughly detestful
[19:27] <popey> its a bit bonkers
[19:27] <diddledan> ^^ so much this
[19:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> diddledan, its not dead if that's what you mean,  certian people on omgubuntu thought it was though
[19:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I know changes are coming
[19:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but taking time
[19:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I know the whole 15.04 based system will get dropped
[19:28] <diddledan> bonkers is a good word for it
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you mean ther should be some otas in the mean time really
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not just some security updates
[19:29] <daftykins> although that'd be true if they hadn't released creme eggs this year
[19:29] <diddledan> I nearly succumbed to creme eggs today
[19:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah the Ubuntu touch devs are eating too many creame eggs, and not devloping ubuntu toch enough as a result, so had to dorp otas :d
[19:30] <daftykins> :D
[19:30] <daftykins> i saw them for the first time today, mmm
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> apparnatly a bit smaller this year
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since brexit ?
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> :D
[19:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh but your on the isalnd so
[19:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> no not sure about the cremae egg seriosly for that one ,but the toberone apparnatly became smaller because of that and cost of ingridents
[19:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, your creame eggs would come directly from UK I assume
[19:33] <popey> right, disk installed... which to update first... debian I think, expect that to succeed :)
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, well I am doing Ubuntu 16.10 now
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> followed by Fedora 25
[19:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> assuming things still ok with grub etc on uefi system as well after that then yeah Mageia 5.1 as well after making a new usb for that in another way, had a problem
[19:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, I'll have a nice quad boot after that :d
[19:34] <diddledan> boot them all in separate VM simultaneously and update them all at the same time
[19:35] <popey> not sure that's possible.
[19:35] <daftykins> sure it is :>
[19:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD>  diddledan yeah  vm's :), but for my ones got proper reaosns wanting  them alll on real hardware
[19:35] <popey> guess I could point kvm at each partition
[19:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with enoguh ram should be able to do a few vms yes
[19:37] <popey> cant see that working as they'd each want exclusive access to the disk
[19:37] <popey> to do mbr updating and stuff
[19:37] <popey> debian has 220 packages to upgrade :D
[19:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, sounds about right
[19:38] <penguin42> yeh it's a little tricky to pick up something that thinks it's installed on a raw disk into a VM; it's OK if it's always been installed in it's own partition which it thinks it is it's own disk
[19:38] <penguin42> or if you give the whole disk to the vm
[19:53] <daftykins> probably not wise on a budget SSD to hammer it so, anyways
[19:57] <diddledan> I only hammer disks when I want to be sure about erasing a file
[19:57] <diddledan> e.g. that file from SIS about the illegal interrogations I stole
[19:58]  * diddledan waits for a knock
[20:00] <daftykins> Silicon Image Systems? that's quite the branch out :D
[20:00] <daftykins> at least it means no more terrible chipsets ;D
[20:04] <diddledan> lol
[20:55] <diddledan> so bbc iplayer - they ask you to say whether you have a license or not, but they don't actually capture any details about you as evidence
[21:09] <daftykins> nope they have no feature to detect or track
[21:09] <daftykins> eventually they might move to account based usage, but that's years away
[21:10] <brobostigon> cant they track your ip, then fro that ip work out which isp your with, and from there do geolocation?
[21:10] <brobostigon> its not, cant they, they can.
[21:11] <diddledan> but how does geolocating me within the UK help them determine that I've not got a license?
[21:11] <diddledan> (I have got a license, I'm being theoretical)
[21:11] <brobostigon> doesnt the tv licence db, tell who has a tv licence and where?
[21:11] <daftykins> goes back to the recent argument in courts that you can't guarantee a subscriber is the person using a given connection
[21:12] <diddledan> yes but my IP doesn't tell them what my address is
[21:12] <brobostigon> tor for exaple.
[21:12] <daftykins> surely it'd be against data protection to mix that with info on ISP subscriptions
[21:12] <daftykins> anyway, long story short it's an honour system right now
[21:12] <brobostigon> i agree, daftykins
[21:12] <diddledan> my ISP is not allowed to tell the BBC where I live, unless it is public information, due to Data Protection legislation
[21:13] <daftykins> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/07/fm_radio_being_phased_out_in_norway/ D:
[21:13] <diddledan> all my IP proves is that I'm somewhere in the UK
[21:13] <daftykins> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/07/tv_anchor_says_alexa_buy_me_a_dollhouse_and_she_does/ - this is hilarious
[21:14] <diddledan> alexa, buy porn
[21:14] <brobostigon> yes, it doesnt quite work the sae as trying to geolocate my phone.
[21:15] <diddledan> your phone is less likely to be locatable unless you accept the prompt to share your location via a webpage
[21:16] <brobostigon> or accept i can be geolocated roughly from aerial connections.
[21:16] <diddledan> that data isn't shared with websites
[21:16] <diddledan> it's only shared if you say yes to the prompt
[21:17] <popey> 531 updates to fedora.. it's fedora 23. I should probably upgrade it
[21:17] <diddledan> what number is fedora on these days?
[21:17] <brobostigon> or if there a is an order by home secretery with judicial approval to pull that data,
[21:18] <zmoylan-pi> your smart tv is grassing you out... :-)
[21:18] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: what about my internet connected adult toy?
[21:18] <zmoylan-pi> well that has you by the short and curlies...
[21:19] <popey> 25 now.
[21:19] <diddledan> the internet of things really does make you wonder when your sexual habbits are sent to a company HQ for analysis
[21:20] <zmoylan-pi> the graph charts at meetings are probably real eye openers...
[21:20] <zmoylan-pi> and you can't keep pink in any of the printers for long....
[21:20] <brobostigon> maybe gchq does these kinds of things already? who knows.
[21:20] <diddledan> I expect they require a user-account with other personal details such as height weight and such
[21:21] <diddledan> I wonder whether anyone has designed a 3D printable thingy yet?
[21:21] <zmoylan-pi> probably first thing printed out...
[21:21] <diddledan> lol
[21:21] <diddledan> like knorks were the first ever image sent over the network?
[21:22] <diddledan> followed-shortly by the virus which pretended to be knorks
[21:39] <popey> whee, upgrading fedora 23 to 24, 1580 packages to do
[21:40] <daftykins> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/06/uk_cases_highlight_different_routes_taken_by_prosecutors_over_the_supply_of_modified_tv_settop_boxes/
[21:40] <daftykins> ooh that'd be nice to get all those pesky android box slingers finished off
[21:51] <deltaforce> Hello
[21:53] <daftykins> lo
[22:06] <diddledan> "Under section 296ZB(1)(c)(i) of the CDPA, it is an offence if a person, in the course of a business, sells or lets for hire any device, product or component which is primarily designed, produced, or adapted for the purpose of enabling or facilitating the circumvention of effective technological measures."
[22:06] <diddledan> surely if you are able to circumvent then you can claim they're ineffective technological measures?
[22:06] <daftykins> yay Louis \o/ https://youtu.be/LUvyosaLW8o
[22:06] <zmoylan-pi> you could ban screwdrivers with that
[22:08] <diddledan> daftykins: he's making a huge mess of that board
[22:08] <popey> ooh, fedora 23 to 24 upgrade finished.
[22:09] <daftykins> nah they start as a mess :)
[22:09] <daftykins> then they work and they still are, 'cause they're fruity tech ;)
[22:16] <popey> wheee, now Fedora 24->25 in progress
[22:17] <daftykins> ;]
[22:17] <daftykins> you and your updates!
[22:17]  * diddledan updates daftykins . quite hard.
[22:19] <daftykins> err
[22:21]  * zmoylan-pi points and laughs at daftykins new theme...
[22:25] <daftykins> oh my Tux, my cat is eating an envelope
[22:25] <diddledan> \o/
[22:28] <zmoylan-pi> that'll teach the dog pound to solicit donations...
[22:34] <zmoylan-pi> and video it for a get out of jail 'the cat ate my tax return' :-)
[22:36] <daftykins> :D
[22:37] <zmoylan-pi> if the internet is any guide, there's no jury that will convict someone who gives them cat videos... :-D
[22:39] <daftykins> https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B0154RIT60/
[22:39] <daftykins> wow that bluray i watched was potentially a bad release
[22:39] <daftykins> two others have a bad experience