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| geosmin | anyone using ubuntu touch on a oneplus one? thinking about flashing it | 06:57 |
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| Dale | Anyone got an MX4? | 14:14 |
| luga_at_work | Does the calendar app work only with Owncloud or can i also use nextcloud? | 14:51 |
| luga_at_work | if not, will it come? | 14:54 |
| dobey | they are the same thing i think; just a matter of the "branding" of the account and such, iirc | 15:01 |
| dobey | so afaik, it /should/ work. | 15:02 |
| luga_at_work | well, they are alike as ubuntu to debian | 15:02 |
| luga_at_work | nextcloud will change the api, and if they to, it wont work anymore, its not just the branding | 15:03 |
| luga_at_work | *do | 15:03 |
| tsglove | luga_at_work, nextcloud might create the API to be backwards compatible with owncloud | 15:05 |
| dobey | well, will and have done so already, are not the same thing | 15:06 |
| dobey | right now, they are the same afaik | 15:06 |
| luga_at_work | i hope so, that would solve many problems but it will make nextcloud less flexible in future | 15:07 |
| dobey | well, in future, someone can write support specific to new api that then exists | 15:09 |
| dobey | one cannot write code now to support an api in the future, which does not yet exist | 15:10 |
| luga_at_work | yes, true | 15:11 |
| ogra_ | you expect owncloud to go on existing ? without any developers on their side ? | 15:13 |
| * ogra_ wouldnt bet on that | 15:14 | |
| dobey | ogra_: it won't evolve but "not exist" is hardly true. you can park a porsche in a barn for 30 years and not drive it, but it doesn't simply cease to exist when you park it there. :) | 15:16 |
| luga_at_work | what about webdav/caldav? | 15:16 |
| ogra_ | well, depends on the rust situation i guess ;) | 15:17 |
| dobey | ogra_: also, i'm pretty sure people still use solaris 7. so, yeah. :) | 15:17 |
| luga_at_work | is there a plugin for the calendar app? | 15:17 |
| ogra_ | but yeah, i know owncloud will go on marketing their stuff ... it is just very unlikely it goes anywhere in the future ... development happens in nextcloud | 15:17 |
| dobey | luga_at_work: that's how the owncloud stuff works | 15:17 |
| dobey | ogra_: well either way, that wasn't the question or the assertion being made. | 15:18 |
| luga_at_work | oh so both , nextcloud and owncloud, use CalDav? | 15:18 |
| dobey | yes | 15:18 |
| ogra_ | what i meant to say is that we are likely moving with nextcloud if they ever get incompatible | 15:19 |
| ogra_ | since owncloud is rather just a marketing stunt nowadays ... | 15:19 |
| mcphail | luga_at_work: nextcloud works well | 15:19 |
| luga_at_work | oh, then there would be no problem, but why is it called "owncloud" if two others are supported? | 15:19 |
| dobey | ogra_: well, if nextcloud becomes incompatible, it will no longer be caldav and require a new back-end anyway | 15:19 |
| luga_at_work | dobey u sure? | 15:20 |
| ogra_ | doesnt need to be incompatible in the caldav part ... just somewhere in the toplevel api for auth | 15:20 |
| dobey | luga_at_work: because it's the authentication model that was supported when it was written | 15:20 |
| dobey | ogra_: well that just means we'll have a different auth plug-in then. no need to throw away a working one otherwise | 15:20 |
| dobey | but anyway | 15:21 |
| ogra_ | sure | 15:21 |
| ogra_ | my comment was also more focused on the choice of backend ... i simply wouldnt use owncloud anymore | 15:21 |
| dobey | ogra_: sure, but some people might have to. if some company uses it for example and doesn't update their services in reasonable (cf people still using solaris 7) | 15:22 |
| ogra_ | indeed | 15:22 |
| dobey | or why google and apple had to add exchange support to their phones | 15:23 |
| ogra_ | they clearly missed an opportunity there *g* | 15:23 |
| dobey | anyway | 15:24 |
| dobey | luga_at_work: caldav itself is just a protocol. specific servers that support it might have wildly different auth schemes. primarily the auth scheme needs to be supported before appropriate handling of that in the caldav back-end can work | 15:25 |
| dobey | and no there isn't an account plug-in to add a generic basic auth caldav url at the moment (but you can set up a sync manually afaik) | 15:26 |
| luga_at_work | ok | 15:29 |
| Dale | Does anyone have trouble updating their device against the app store? | 15:47 |
| dobey | what kind of trouble? | 15:50 |
| Dale | First I have to sign in every time, then I get 404 errors when I hit an upgrade button. | 15:51 |
| dobey | did you install any packages manually? | 15:52 |
| dobey | ie, build from git/bzr and sideload? | 15:52 |
| Dale | Nope | 15:52 |
| dobey | is there a specific package it happens on? | 15:53 |
| Dale | It is quite a few, uTorch is a specific example | 15:54 |
| dobey | 404 shouldn't cause the need to log-in again though | 15:55 |
| dobey | jgdx: ^^ any ideas there? | 15:55 |
| Dale | My bad: am getting 401 - UNAUTHORIZED error | 15:56 |
| jgdx | Dale, it happens for some paid apps IIRC | 15:57 |
| dobey | oh ok. yeah | 15:57 |
| dobey | 401 would cause that | 15:57 |
| Dale | Oh, wait, sweet Jesus, it's all started working smoothly just now. | 15:57 |
| jgdx | praise de lawd | 15:57 |
| dobey | maybe the server had some issue | 15:58 |
| Dale | Well, I don't believe in coincidences, so whoever just fixed the problem, thank you very much! | 16:02 |
| random | Hi, i've got a question regarding the gtk3 support. As far as i know, gtk3 supports the mir display server. But i can't start the gtk3 app. When i compile a gtk2 app and insert "X-Ubuntu-Touch=true" and "X-Ubuntu-XMir-Enable=true" in the .desktop file it works. What did i wrong ? | 16:43 |
| random | I can still start the app via "ssh -y" ( x-forwarding ) but not on the phone itself. | 16:44 |
| pseudodev | Hello there!!! | 18:13 |
| dobey | hi | 18:15 |
| pseudodev | I need compressed repos. Who can provide me one? | 18:27 |
| dobey | what do you mean? | 18:27 |
| salim | Hi, I'm unable to connect wireless display to a sony bravia smart TV. I can see the TV on the phone, but when I connect it fails after a while. Any idea?? | 18:30 |
| dobey | pseudodev: what is a "compressed repo" and why are you asking for one in this channel? | 18:39 |
| pseudodev | dobey: compressed repos means whoever has downloaded the Ubuntu repos, can provide me a compressed folder of it for faster downloading | 18:41 |
| dobey | pseudodev: general ubuntu support questions belong in #ubuntu, this channel is more about the phone/tablet ports | 18:42 |
| dobey | pseudodev: but otherwise, just download the ISO for Ubuntu. I doubt anyone here has a tarball of the entire ubuntu repository to share with you | 18:43 |
| dobey | and even if they did, it would not make downloading any faster | 18:43 |
| pseudodev | That would shorten it | 18:44 |
| dobey | things that are already compressed do not compress well. it's likely that a tarball of the repository would end up being larger than the individual files | 18:44 |
| dobey | you'd be better off only downloading the bits you need | 18:45 |
| dobey | you can download the ISO via torrent, which might be faster for you than grabbing an ISO from a mirror site | 18:46 |
| dobey | wow | 18:53 |
| dobey | mako been sitting on my qi charger for ~2 hrs now, and it's not even hot | 18:54 |
| dobey | but it went from 0 to 97% charge | 18:54 |
| popey | maybe it lies? | 18:55 |
| dobey | nah, i think it's just cold enough in here that the heat from charging is quickly dissipated | 18:56 |
| pseudodev | ISO of repos!? | 19:02 |
| popey | pseudodev: what exactly is it you need? | 19:06 |
| pseudodev | Compressed repo folder | 19:08 |
| popey | pseudodev: you need to use more words. What folder? Why? | 19:09 |
| dobey | pseudodev: what exactly do you want to accomplish? installing ubuntu? mirroring it? | 19:10 |
| davmor2 | pseudodev: the entire archive is huge I mean massively huge. No one downloads the entire repo | 19:12 |
| pseudodev | I want to build Ubuntu touch. Problem is, it downloads about 15 GB worth sources. And all those sources are present in the .Repo folder | 19:13 |
| pseudodev | I need that compressed .repo folder | 19:14 |
| dobey | oh | 19:15 |
| dobey | the android git tree | 19:15 |
| dobey | i thought you were askinga bout the apt repository for ubuntu | 19:16 |
| dobey | like popey said, use more words! | 19:16 |
| dobey | i'm pretty sure git streams the data compressed when cloning | 19:17 |
| dobey | so someone handing youa 15 GB tarball probably isn't going to improve whatever issue it is you're hitting | 19:17 |
| pseudodev | Can't that 15GB be reduced half the size? | 19:18 |
| dobey | not likely | 19:19 |
| dobey | like i said, things that are already compressed, do not compress especially well | 19:20 |
| dobey | i don't know what all the scripts do there, but if they are grabbing full history, then changing them to only grab the latest revision of stuff, might help | 19:21 |
| pseudodev | Yes...I tried downloading once | 19:24 |
| pseudodev | It was downloading from Android 2.0.1 | 19:24 |
| pseudodev | To Android 7.0 | 19:26 |
| pseudodev | That's a lot of history | 19:27 |
| dobey | you might want to join #ubports if you want to port a new device, and ask what they're doing | 19:30 |
| popey | yeah, they may have a faster mirror | 19:33 |
| random | did anyone have a idear how to execute gtk3 apps on ubuntu touch os ? | 19:35 |
| dobey | random: include everything you need in your package and build gtk3 with the mir support enabled against the mir on the image | 19:36 |
| dobey | or just install them via libertine and use them under xmir as debs | 19:36 |
| bregma | on Ubuntu Touch, using Libertine is the only supported way to run GTK+ applications | 19:37 |
| bregma | (they might work other ways, but it's not supported) | 19:38 |
| random | dobey: ok, so is there a special option to activate mir support ? imho i thought that libgtk3 has already activated the mir support... | 19:44 |
| dobey | random: gtk3 is not (currently) a supported SDK target for the phone/tablet | 19:45 |
| mcphail | random: from my limited experience of Mir-supporting toolkits, it may just be a matter of bundling the dependencies (and dependencies of the dependencies) in the .click under ther appropriate architecture-specific lib directory. But I haven't tried bundling a GTK3 app | 19:57 |
| dobey | well, gtk+ is built with plenty of hard-coded paths, so not that simple | 19:59 |
| dobey | and not sure if gtk3 has been getting re-built in the overlay PPA for Mir API/ABI breaks | 20:00 |
| dobey | though i suppose it has to, as i think at least keyboard indicator is using it | 20:00 |
| mcphail | I've built/installed gtk under different prefixes before, so it is likely to be reasonably portable. Don't know how much of a standard *nix environment it expects, though | 20:05 |
| dobey | yeah it's possible, but it has to be rebuilt because paths get built into the binaries | 20:06 |
| mcphail | The pain with building gtk is you sometimes end up down the rabbit-warren of building gdk etc as well | 20:07 |
| mcphail | And by the time you are building glib you've gone crazy | 20:08 |
| dobey | well gdk is in the same tree as gtk | 20:08 |
| dobey | but really, yeah, you probably need to build pango and cairo and other underlying bits too | 20:09 |
| dobey | but a lot of that can be trimmed down, since you don't need to compile x11 support and such | 20:10 |
| pmcgowan | dobey, why would I get a 401 updating a scope, but all the other updates worked | 20:10 |
| dobey | i think gtk also lacks a lof integration with the rest of the platform though | 20:10 |
| dobey | pmcgowan: because you aren't authorized for it? :) | 20:11 |
| mcphail | Yes. Wonder if soft keyboard would work, for example | 20:11 |
| pmcgowan | but I has it | 20:11 |
| dobey | pmcgowan: maybe something broke on the server? maybe some weird timeout was hit during the updates? i don't know | 20:11 |
| pmcgowan | dobey, ok, I updated 3 apps and this one won't | 20:12 |
| pmcgowan | even on retry | 20:12 |
| dobey | mcphail: keyboard might work because we do use mailit (or however you spell that) | 20:12 |
| dobey | mcphail: but other things like content-hub and media-hub i expect don't | 20:12 |
| pmcgowan | dobey, offs its working now | 20:12 |
| pmcgowan | fifth time the charm | 20:12 |
| dobey | pmcgowan: yeah, someone else was asking about similar problem updating earlier | 20:12 |
| dobey | pmcgowan: only advice i can really offer for those situations is a) you cheated (side-loaded something that's for-pay in store), or b) server is being annoying | 20:13 |
| dobey | pmcgowan: given all the work on moving to snaps, i suspect b) is probably getting hit more often lately :-/ | 20:14 |
| pmcgowan | indeed | 20:14 |
| random | But, I've created a gtk2 app, wich runs fine ( with a bit of .desktop file tuning like http://kriscode.blogspot.de/2016/10/lazarus-development-for-ubuntu-phone.html ). I have to insert X-Ubuntu-Touch=true, X-Ubuntu-XMir-Enable=true. And so far as i know libgtk2 and libgtk3 are already installed in the os. | 20:27 |
| dobey | installed != supported | 20:27 |
| dobey | and really you shouldn't be writing new gtk2 code at all. i'm not sure why gtk2 is installed in the image at all. it really shouldn't be | 20:28 |
| random | In my example i've used the minimal sample of the wxwidget toolkit + buildroot to create the gtk2 app. So i'am wondering why the same code compiled with gtk3 doesn'T run.. But I have to check the GDK_BACKEND enviroment. | 20:30 |
| random | And imho gtk2 is an old but big advantage of the ubuntu os. Because is the user have the choice if he will use ugly software on the phone :-) | 20:32 |
| random | BTW is there a plan to official support the gtk3 lib ? :-) | 20:33 |
| bregma | random, under Ubuntu Personal, yes, it's making good progress | 20:35 |
| dobey | well if you want to use ugly software, there's always the opportunity to run it under xmir/libertine | 20:36 |
| random | I want to use gtk3 on ubuntu phone :-) | 20:39 |
| random | dobey: i've checked the libgtk version and its compiled with Wayland GDK backend. but the gtk3 app woun't launch. Did i have to change/add some values in the .desktop file ? Is there a documentation about the launcher file ( .desktop ) ? | 21:06 |
| dobey | we don't use wayland | 21:06 |
| dobey | and the gtk3 package in ubuntu is already compiled with mir support, indeed | 21:06 |
| random | ok so my app should run right ? because it runs in an x forwarded ssh session. So the libs will be loaded correct, right ? | 21:16 |
| dobey | no, X != Mir | 21:17 |
| random | ahh, ur right.. so it seems that my app will use gtk2 instead of gtk3.. :-(. I have to investigate. Thanks for your time. | 21:20 |
| random | Just to be clear. If I compile a gtk3 app, it should run, right ? Without any extra configuration inside of ubuntu touch. | 22:01 |
| dobey | random: no, gtk3 is not a supported target on the phone/tablet currently. unless you're running it under libertine, it's not necessarily expected to "just run" | 22:03 |
| dobey | random: plenty of gtk+ apps also have a dependency on x11 themselves for various things they do | 22:04 |
| random | Ok, but libgtk3 will not ( notonly ) use x11 so far as i know. However it seems that it not the easy way to get an native gtk3 app ( which is using mir )running :-) | 22:09 |
| random | Thanks for your time. | 22:10 |
| dobey | it doesn't matter what back-end you're wanting it to use, if it's the wrong one for the app, is what i mean | 22:10 |
| dobey | ie, "take a random app and compile it" is not guaranteed to work, because of this | 22:11 |
| random | I hope ubuntu touch will finally supports gtk3 apps officially . IMHO this is one of the reasons of the lack of apps in the app store. | 22:15 |
| dobey | well we can agree to disagree on that assumption :) | 22:17 |
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