[06:00] <hikiko> hello !
[07:28] <pitti> Good morning!
[08:09] <tjaalton> rhythmbox in xenial loses connection to pulseaudio after playback has been paused for a while. only way out of it is to restart pulseaudio.. this is a fairly recent regression
[08:10] <tjaalton> doing that will crash the control-center
[08:23] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:58] <willcooke> good morning all :)
[09:00] <seb128> hey willcooke, how are you, is your stomach better?
[09:00] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark tjaalton pitti
[09:01] <seb128> tjaalton, do you know when that started? is that the pulseaudio SRU? it might be worth pinging TheMuso about it
[09:01] <pitti> bonjour seb128, ça va ?
[09:01] <seb128> pitti, oui, et toi ?
[09:01] <willcooke> hey seb128, yes thanks, nearly back to normal
[09:01] <seb128> Sweet5hark, still not luck with the snap libreoffice build I see, did you git the proxy/github issue several times? might be worth asking cjwatson if that's a known issue
[09:02] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers!
[09:02] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[09:02] <tjaalton> seb128: I suspect it's gstreamer, there was only a small change to pulseaudio that I see
[09:02] <pitti> seb128: ça va bien aussi ! my cold is fully gone
[09:02] <tjaalton> not sure when it started
[09:02] <tjaalton> some weeks ago
[09:02] <seb128> tjaalton, there was no gstreamer change in xenial since septembre
[09:03] <seb128> and that version is still in proposed only
[09:03] <tjaalton> hm
[09:03] <seb128> so not likely a regression there
[09:03] <tjaalton> ok
[09:03] <Laney> sup
[09:03] <seb128> hey Laney! how are you?
[09:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:03] <seb128> tjaalton, do you have a backtrace of the u-c-c segfault?
[09:03] <seb128> hey davmor2
[09:04] <tjaalton> I have the crash file
[09:04] <seb128> you u.k guys are synced
[09:04] <seb128> tjaalton, use ubuntu-bug on it?  ;-)
[09:04] <Laney> we are synced to the bbc pips
[09:05] <Laney> seb128: good thanks!
[09:05] <Laney> had a night of staying in and doing nothing
[09:05] <Laney> you?
[09:05] <Laney> get to play some tennis?
[09:05] <tjaalton> seb128: hmm, nothing happens after the dialog popup
[09:05] <davmor2> seb128: we all get a call off Laney saying it is time to start
[09:06] <seb128> who is listening to the bbc signal
[09:06] <Laney> I turn on the bat light
[09:06] <seb128> Laney, yeah, it didn't rain too much for most of the lesson, just started getting a bit stronger 10min before the end so it was alright
[09:06] <Laney> and everyone gets to work
[09:06] <Laney> nice!
[09:06] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yes, they happen multiple times (AFAICS they happened everytime I reached that point). I guess some some github redirection magic doesnt work from lp.
[09:07] <Sweet5hark> seb128: FWIW already filed bug 1655127 for it.
[09:07] <davmor2> Laney: Ubuntu Logo in the sky must be time for work
[09:07] <seb128> Sweet5hark, can you maybe ping Colin about it on IRC as well?
[09:09] <flexiondotorg> I'll be taking early lunch today, at 10am
[09:09] <flexiondotorg> "lunch" :-)
[09:09] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: man what time did you start if that is Lunch
[09:10] <flexiondotorg> Well, I just need to go out this morning for about an hour. So "lunch".
[09:11] <seb128> well depends of the definition of the day, if you wake up at 9am and call it a day at 1pm then you can lunch at 10 ;-)
[09:12] <Sweet5hark> seb128: pinged out
[09:12] <seb128> flexiondotorg, we have the chance to be able to do flexible hours, e.g go for some errands and make up for it at another time so don't worry
[09:12] <flexiondotorg> OK, great. I'll work late then :-)
[09:13] <seb128> Sweet5hark, thanks, bonus point if it's on a public channel next time ;-)
[09:13]  * flexiondotorg is going to get fit.
[09:13] <flexiondotorg> At "lunch" time.
[09:13] <Sweet5hark> seb128: hey, I looked at #ubuntu first, only then used a fallback ;)
[09:14] <seb128> Sweet5hark, #snappy is usually good for those questions
[09:16] <Sweet5hark> seb128: ok, you win
[09:17] <seb128> :-)
[09:42] <mantiena-baltix> Hi all!
[09:42] <seb128> hey mantiena-baltix
[09:42] <mantiena-baltix> seb128: ;)
[09:43] <mantiena-baltix> Sweet5hark: Hi, could you accept 1 patch from Debian LibreOffice packages to fix bug #1635847 ?
[09:44] <mantiena-baltix> Sweet5hark: it's fixed in Debian 5\ months ago!
[09:45] <mantiena-baltix> see https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git/commit/?id=9287282e7501487ab9e2a690a88e1022a26b148e
[09:47] <Laney> and breathe
[10:49] <hikiko> anyone running zesty?
[10:50] <hikiko> could you please check if you have this file:
[10:50] <hikiko> ~/.config/compiz-1/compizconfig/Default.ini
[10:50] <hikiko> ?
[10:50] <hikiko> and if someone has it could you upload it on a pastebin? :p thanks :)
[10:50] <Laney> hey hikiko
[10:50] <Laney> I do
[10:51] <Laney> it's empty ...
[10:51] <Laney> not modified since 2012 it seems
[10:51] <hikiko> haha, mine wasn't empty before I delete it :p
[10:51] <hikiko> accidentally
[10:52] <hikiko> thank you very much Laney
[10:52] <Laney> super important file!
[10:53] <hikiko> it is :D
[10:56] <hikiko> Laney, if you delete it unity might crash :)
[10:59]  * Laney backs away from the file
[11:23] <mantiena-baltix> Sweet5hark: are you alive?
[11:41] <andyrock> good morning
[12:01] <mantiena-baltix> andyrock: guten tag ;)
[12:24] <Sweet5hark> seb128: aha! even with net access in build, there is a timeout, so stuff cant get fetched later. that stuff is fetched later is mostly an unwanted sideeffect of other changes anyway, which I revert and now retried.
[12:25] <Sweet5hark> mantiena-baltix: yes, I am alive. No, I currently dont have any capacity at all for low priority fixes, sorry.
[12:28] <mantiena-baltix> Sweet5hark: :( but it's very easy - just sync libreoffice packaging with debian or accept one patch from debian packaging
[12:30] <Sweet5hark> mantiena-baltix: rolling out some 80 updated libreoffice packages to the world is never easy, even if it is a one-line or one-char change.
[12:32] <Sweet5hark> (FWIW it wouldnt be much easier if it were just one package either. its still some 10M LOC)
[12:33] <mantiena-baltix> Sweet5hark: maybe you could fix bug 1635847 in libreoffice-5-2 PPA ?
[12:40] <Sweet5hark> mantiena-baltix: i will look at it after some other fires are back under control. PPA or not doesnt make much difference (stuff that ends in the distro is staged in the ppa anyway FWIW)
[12:46] <andyrock> b4n: hey, I've been looking into the issue
[12:47] <andyrock> the xi2 solution (similar to mumble workaround) is doable
[12:47] <andyrock> the only problem is that the amount of work to make it general is quite big
[12:52] <seb128> Sweet5hark, oh, good to read that it's a timeout on the launchpad side (unsure why they need to cut access after a while though?), let's see how your change works then
[14:06] <b4n> andyrock: great!
[14:06] <b4n> andyrock: and to do it only for A11Y plugins?
[14:07] <andyrock> the same amount of work to make it properly
[14:07] <andyrock> the problem is the way compiz actions are handled
[14:08] <andyrock> e.g. it's pretty "simple" to make it work just for shortcut
[14:08] <andyrock> but mouse shortcuts (e.g. super + wheel) requires ways more work
[14:08] <b4n> oh
[14:09] <b4n> okay, that's not so nice then indeed
[14:09] <b4n> but a start I guess?
[14:09] <b4n> BTW, if I can help I'm willing to
[14:10] <b4n> I'm not very knowledgeable about X stuff, but if it requires tedious work or if it's simple enough to understand what has to be done, etc.
[14:11] <andyrock> the X part can be easly copied from mumble with a bit of changes
[14:11] <andyrock> the truly problem is to integrate it inside the compiz event systems
[14:11] <b4n> yeah I get that
[14:11] <andyrock> what I'm trying to do it to add an option for actions
[14:11] <b4n> but probably not what it implicates
[14:12] <b4n> that would be truly ideal indeed
[14:12] <andyrock> something like ignore_grabbing (or ignore_global_grabbing)
[14:12] <b4n> so most actions work normally, and some specific ones for a11y can bypass that
[14:12] <andyrock> we enable it for a11y options
[14:13] <andyrock> and if there is any plugin with that kind of option enabled we use XI2 to get the event
[14:14] <andyrock> another problem is that not respecting grabbing sometimes is not wanted
[14:14] <andyrock> imagine using a virtual machine
[14:14] <andyrock> compiz will receive some shortcuts that maybe are only addressed to the vm
[14:15] <b4n> yeah, most shortcuts should likely honor grabs
[14:16] <b4n> that's a little subtle what should and what shouldn't indeed
[14:18] <b4n> isn't it possible to only perform "ignore grabs" action on XI2 events, and let other ones use teh current system so they are blocked by grabs?
[14:20] <andyrock> yeah but still the a11y will be passed to  both
[14:20] <andyrock> *a11y ones
[14:26] <b4n> the non-XI2 could ignore them I guess?
[14:48] <andyrock> btw I'll keep working on it but not full time
[14:48] <andyrock> I'll try to finish it in a week
[14:48] <andyrock> I'll keep you updated
[14:49] <b4n> okay, great :)
[14:49] <b4n> thanks
[15:29]  * qengho rings the gong.
[15:29]  * willcooke eats food
[15:30] <willcooke> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whwiMrBNWCA
[15:31] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2017-01-10
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan 10 15:31:19 2017 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:31] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong (out), flexiondotorg (other meeting), happyaron (out), hikiko (out), laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter (out), trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <flexiondotorg> o/
[15:31] <desrt> hi
[15:31] <andyrock> hey
[15:32] <flexiondotorg> willcooke other meeting has concluded :-)
[15:32] <willcooke> :)
[15:33] <willcooke> one more minute and we'll get started
[15:34] <desrt> (for those laughing about how sassy cats are)
[15:34] <willcooke> :))
[15:34] <willcooke> oki, let's begin
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:34] <andyrock> hey
[15:35] <andyrock> 1. update the unity7 autologin + lock branch
[15:36] <andyrock> 2. Have been working on a branch to make sure compiz a11y shortcuts works also when the mouse is grabbed (e.g. negative pluging etc). I'll work on it not full time and should be concluned in a week more or less
[15:36] <andyrock> 3. Reviews
[15:36] <andyrock> 4. Updating a branch for u8 to record test failures on jenkins
[15:36] <andyrock> eow
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:37] <attente> hi
[15:37] <attente> verified lp:1643734 for regressions, none found but still haven't verified that it fixes the cve
[15:37] <attente> gtk-mir clipboard support is committed to master https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775732
[15:37] <attente> fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/content-hub/+bug/1655105
[15:37] <attente> (eof)
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks ara
[15:37] <willcooke> oops attente
[15:37] <willcooke> sorry ara ignore
[15:37] <attente> :D
[15:38] <willcooke> attente, did anyone from Mir speak to you about window mgt in the last week or so?
[15:38] <attente> no
[15:38] <willcooke> attente, kk k_gunn mentioned something to me on Friday but he timed out and I went EOD, so I will find out what the query was and let you know
[15:39] <attente> willcooke: ok, thanks
[15:39] <willcooke> thx attente
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:40] <desrt> eep.  sorry.
[15:40] <desrt> hi :)
[15:41] <desrt> just getting back in to the swing of things, finishing up some stuff i started over the break
[15:41] <desrt> specifically, patching the xdg basedir spec for a space for application state data
[15:41] <desrt> also working on an efficient deserialiser for gvariant
[15:41] <desrt> will get back to the proxy work this week
[15:41] <desrt> still waiting to hear something nice about apparmor.....
[15:41] <desrt> eof
[15:41] <willcooke> desrt, did you see: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/apparmor/2016-December/010372.html
[15:41] <willcooke> attente, too ^
[15:42] <desrt> no.  i did not.  will read, thanks!
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:42] <dgadomski> hey
[15:42] <attente> no, i also missed that. thanks!
[15:42] <dgadomski> sadly I have no desktop-related updates this week
[15:42] <dgadomski> eof
[15:42] <willcooke> nw, thanks dgadomski
[15:42] <dgadomski> thanks
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:43] <willcooke> SRU:#1633408 #1648992
[15:43] <willcooke> In progress:
[15:43] <willcooke> #1640317 FTBFS in zesty
[15:43] <willcooke> #1638345 avahi-daemon crashes multiple times an hour  tesing in 16.10.
[15:43] <willcooke> #1587984 Gnome Software catalog entry missing for Grig
[15:43] <willcooke> #1635267 cqrlog cann't remove from yakkety
[15:43] <willcooke> close it as invalid
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic flexiondotorg
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> Hi
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> · Not much this week
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> · Researched this weeks candidates for the Snap Upstream Blitz and updated Trello
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> · Snap out reach and updates with many upstreams and ISVs, including a conference call with the Node-RED team at IBM who are now working on snaps.
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> · Currently working on a collection of theme fixes and tweaks for Xenial and Zesty.
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> 🎬
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks flexiondotorg
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:44] <willcooke> 1. dkms sync from Debian directly now (LP: #1651124)
[15:44] <willcooke> 2. trafficserver, manpage-zh, etc, uploads
[15:44] <willcooke> 3. fcitx-qimpanel crash bug (LP: #1590324)
[15:44] <willcooke> 4. nm bugs...
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:44] <willcooke> - changed ucc to switch real-time to lowgfx (not only change the gsetting)
[15:44] <willcooke> - removed the lowgfx option from ccsm/unity
[15:44] <willcooke> - I'm doing some polishing-debugging before the final MP
[15:44] <willcooke> EOF
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:45] <Laney> • Spent a lot of time working on autopkgtest this week
[15:45] <Laney> ∘ Handheld the workers, gave arm64 lxd machines more capacity on their root partition, redeployed one of them to test - need to do the rest
[15:45] <Laney> ∘ Tracked down a hard to find bug in the lxd workers - turned out to be botched rebooting
[15:45] <Laney> ∘ Poked at linux/i386 tests which were OOMing and looping, effectively DoSing the infrastructure - blacklisted for now until they fix that
[15:45] <Laney> ∘ Helped the kernel team identify a buggy script that was submitting requests that nobbled the workers
[15:45] <Laney> • release: Fielded various requests to skip tests and stuff
[15:45] <Laney> • Debugged a few autopkgtests and fixed them
[15:45] <Laney> • New gdk-pixbuf @ Debian, autosynced in
[15:45] <Laney> • Been rebasing gnome-software up to latest gnome-3-22. Looking like there's a deadlock bug in the branch; investigating.
[15:45] <Laney> ƒìղìʂհҽժ
[15:45] <qengho> Fancy.
[15:45] <Laney> chopped a lot of trees too
[15:45] <willcooke> :)
[15:46] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:46] <qengho> Yay!
[15:46] <qengho> Hi folks. Just one line, my new-year's resolution:
[15:46] <qengho> Get ahead of Chromium releases. I'm tracking and building beta now, in a new "horizon" PPA for zesty. So, when Cr beta is promoted to stable, there won't be surprises. The bad part is that it's more work. Good side is that package updates should be much sooner.
[15:46] <qengho> EOF
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:47] <seb128> hey
[15:47] <seb128> • catchup post holidays
[15:47] <seb128> • helped debugging the libreoffice snap build issues
[15:47] <seb128> • quite some launchpad bugs triaging
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[15:47] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> - FOSDEM and FOSDEM Hackfest prep
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> - TDF budget, staff mgmt and projects
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> - getting libreoffice snap on lp
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> - bumped snap to rc1
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> - some code review
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> - pushing some leftover upstream refactorings I did during vacation
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:48] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:48] <willcooke> * More reports coming in on bug 1574324 with people still having problems. I need to ask them to test with the initial versions of pulse in xenial or yakkety. Who knew that bluetooth could be this painful. :(
[15:48] <willcooke> * Put the latest release candidate of pulseaudio v9.99/10.0 in the ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/pulse-testing PPA. Had to do some porting work with some patches, plan to test in coming days, particularly bluetooth. This is for Zesty.
[15:48] <willcooke> * Experiencing some issues with orca in GNOME terminal/in VTE applications. Seems to work fine in other distros using GNOME 3.22, but we have a newer VTE so need to do some more digging.
[15:48] <willcooke> * Updated at-spi2-core from Debian since Ian's change caused Orca to take ages to load. Hopefully the changes that were made in Debian are satisafactory now, since they are based on upstream proposed fixes.
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:49] <willcooke> - cups-filters: Added output-bin support from CUPS' PPD generator to the PPD generator of cups-filters.
[15:49] <willcooke> - cups-filters: Updated Xenial SRU for delayed shutdown of cups-browsed (bug 1638986)
[15:49] <willcooke> - Google Summer of Code 2017: Continuing to work with Aveek Basu from Lexmark India to find students.
[15:49] <willcooke> - Bugs.
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:50] <willcooke> Is Trevinho around today?
[15:50] <willcooke> or up a mountain
[15:50] <seb128> he was back yesterday
[15:51] <Trevinho> yes
[15:51] <Trevinho> sorry
[15:51] <Trevinho> · Just come back yesterday from holidays, so lots of backlog to sync with
[15:51] <Trevinho> · Fixed nux and libdbusmenu build dependencies
[15:51] <Trevinho> · Prepared a new silo for yakkety with various unity7 stack MPs, now under testing
[15:51] <Trevinho>  /EOF
[15:51] <willcooke> Trevinho, silo for Y or Z?
[15:51] <Trevinho> sorry... zesty
[15:51] <willcooke> :)
[15:51] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:52] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:52] <willcooke> For those who I missed 1:1 with yesterday, please ping if you need anything, otherwise I'll ty and catch up later in the week
[15:53] <willcooke> Trevinho and Sweet5hark  Please get your FOSDEM hotel requirements in to that spreadsheet that Laney made asap
[15:53] <Laney> (H)
[15:53] <willcooke> anyone got anything else?
[15:53] <willcooke> Going in 10.... 9...
[15:53] <attente> have a pink killer for me
[15:54]  * Laney snuggles attente 
[15:54] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:54] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 10 15:54:32 2017 UTC.
[15:54] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-01-10-15.31.moin.txt
[15:54] <willcooke> thanks everyone
[15:55] <Trevinho> willcooke: ok
[15:56] <Trevinho> Laney: send me a link please
[15:56] <Laney> check your emails
[15:56] <Trevinho> I did.. :o
[15:56] <Laney> check more
[15:57] <Laney> you are definitely on Cc
[15:59] <guest0915362> hi
[16:00] <guest0915362> tjaalton: are you there?
[16:01] <tjaalton> guest0915362: kinda
[16:21] <guest0915362> tjaalton: cool, hi
[16:22] <guest0915362> tjaalton: can you comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1099476 ?
[16:22] <guest0915362> tjaalton: how was this achieved?
[16:23] <guest0915362> tjaalton: I mean that the cursor is automatically hides when the touchscreen is in use and reappears when the mouse is being used?
[16:24] <guest0915362> tjaalton: it works. but how ;)?
[16:35]  * Sweet5hark does some pretty risque Tom Jones imitation and sings about the GREEN, GREEN grass of home.
[16:35] <Sweet5hark> seb128: also https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical/+snap/libreoffice-snap-test/+build/16481 \o/
[16:36] <tjaalton> guest0915362: no idea
[16:39] <guest0915362> tjaalton: :D
[16:39] <guest0915362> tjaalton: do you know who could have an idea?
[16:40] <tjaalton> upstream
[16:41] <tjaalton> in some cases at least it's the toolkit
[16:41] <tjaalton> like when typing on a terminal widget
[16:45] <Laney> Sweet5hark: nice
[16:46] <guest0915362> tjaalton: upstream would be who? xorg devs? which xorg component would we be talking about here?
[16:48] <guest0915362> tjaalton: it doesn't work in all desktop environments. I think it only works like that on Unity
[16:56] <tjaalton> guest0915362: then ask the unity guys?
[16:56] <seb128> Sweet5hark, well done sir!
[16:57] <Sweet5hark> seb128, Laney: nobody needs tests anyway, right?
[16:57] <seb128> why? can revert if it doesn't work :p
[16:58] <Sweet5hark> seb128: thats what I did. but maybe the rcs are more stable.
[16:58] <guest0915362> tjaalton: I've asked you because you set the bug to confirmed ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1099476 )
[16:59] <guest0915362> tjaalton: you can close it by the way, since it works ;)
[16:59] <guest0915362> tjaalton: will try it in #ubuntu-unity then (http://unity.ubuntu.com/contact-us/)
[16:59] <Sweet5hark> libreoffice 5.3.0 rc2 tag is due ~today though, so can try to reenable tests once its there.
[17:06] <seb128> Sweet5hark, did you test the snap to see if it starts?
[17:08] <Sweet5hark> seb128: no yet. my default desktop ... oh!
[17:09] <seb128> Sweet5hark, it builds who cares if it starts right? ;-)
[17:09] <Sweet5hark> seb128: nah, I _though_ Im still down with bug 1639284 on my default dev machine. but it seems to be fixed ...
[17:10] <seb128> hehe
[17:15] <Sweet5hark> sudo snap install --channel=edge libreoffice
[17:15] <Sweet5hark> libreoffice (edge) 5.3.0.1 from 'canonical' installed
[17:16] <Sweet5hark> aaand yes: it starts. writer can create a blind text and calc is able to add 1+2+3. A full featured test!
[17:27] <willcooke> \o/
[17:33] <seb128> Sweet5hark, that's a good start :-)
[18:05] <willcooke> dinner time, night all