[00:59] <daftykins> found diddledan http://imgur.com/gallery/tHX9WZp
[01:30] <zmoylan-pi> changing the name of yahoo... that'll fix things right up
[01:31] <daftykins> no way?
[01:33] <zmoylan-pi> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13360673
[01:37] <zmoylan-1i> i always feel renaming the company is somehow pretending to not be the same organisation before in a deceptive manner... silly i know
[01:38] <daftykins> wow
[06:49] <knightwise> good morning
[07:15] <knightwise> morning jodh
[07:45] <jodh> knightwise: morning
[07:58] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:12] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:23] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[09:24] <knightwise> how are you doing today ?
[09:24] <brobostigon> hi knightwise, alittle tired, but thats normal day after first shift in a new job.
[09:24] <brobostigon> and you?
[09:32] <knightwise> hooodd
[09:33] <knightwise> Sorry , typo . I'm doing ok :) How did the first shift go ?
[09:33] <foobarry> new job work stamina takes a while to build up
[09:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy Peculiar People Day! 😃
[09:47] <brobostigon> knightwise: it went well, thanks.
[09:47] <brobostigon> foobarry: yes, very true,
[09:50] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCoCNCJFS7A got you covered dude
[10:20] <knightwise> brobostigon: whats the new job all about ?
[10:20] <brobostigon> knightwise: shop floor and till in a toy shop.
[10:24] <davmor2> brobostigon: say what now?  It's not the Lego Shop is it :)
[10:25] <brobostigon> davmor2: if only, :)
[10:34] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/nicolabortignon/status/818761666083090432
[10:44] <diddledan> wow, the C.H.I.P is a lot of computer for 9$
[10:44] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FuDWQwA0dI
[10:45] <diddledan> only 512MB ram though, but other than that it's comparable to the pi3
[11:17] <TwistedLucidity> Fancied getting myself a pocketCHIP a whileback; never did.
[11:21] <diddledan> ransoms being demanded for data in mongodb servers: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38521973
[11:24] <zmoylan-pi> see, if they had stored their data in csv files like nature intended... :-P
[12:13] <diddledan> can anyone else currently play the mp3 version of latenightlinux? http://latenightlinux.com/
[12:13] <diddledan> I'm getting network error
[12:18] <popey> diddledan: you on telegram? they have a telegram channel
[12:18] <diddledan> I'm not
[12:18]  * diddledan goes to see what is required to sign-up
[12:19] <popey> As if by magic
[12:19] <JoeRess> Hello
[12:19]  * popey pokes diddledan with JoeRess 
[12:19] <diddledan> aha, hello JoeRess
[12:19] <JoeRess> Hi
[12:20] <JoeRess> Can you download it?
[12:20] <diddledan> weirdly, I can if I get the url using curl first - but clicking the download link in chrome is failing
[12:21] <JoeRess> http://latenightlinux.com/media/LNL01.mp3
[12:21] <diddledan> I used `curl -I http://podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/latenightlinux.com/media/LNL01.mp3HTTP` to get that url
[12:21] <JoeRess> Does that work in Chrome?
[12:22] <popey> it does here
[12:22] <diddledan> yeah the direct link works, but for unknown reason the redirector/tracker link in chrome doesn't work
[12:22] <diddledan> the tracker link in curl does work, though, which is confusing
[12:23] <diddledan> hmm, I wonder if it's an IPv6 issue
[12:23]  * diddledan checks
[12:24] <diddledan> ok, it seems there might be an intermittent problem on podtrac's end - I just received HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden
[12:24] <JoeRess> It works in Chrome for me :/
[12:24] <diddledan> that was using `curl -4 -I http://podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/latenightlinux.com/media/LNL01.mp3HTTP`
[12:25] <diddledan> oh, I borked the url
[12:25]  * diddledan repastes
[12:26] <diddledan> in chrome I'm getting redirected but then it fails with Failed - Network error when using the "download" link
[12:27] <diddledan> aah. https
[12:27] <diddledan> chrome thinks it should be downloading the mp3 via https
[12:27] <JoeRess> Why would it think that?
[12:28] <diddledan> ok, I figured it out
[12:29] <diddledan> I have https-everywhere installed which is forcing the podtrac url to be loaded securely which then causes the returned direct url to also be https
[12:29] <diddledan> using https for the podtrac url (https://podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/latenightlinux.com/media/LNL01.mp3) in curl returns: Location: https://latenightlinux.com/media/LNL01.mp3
[12:30] <JoeRess> This means I will have to sort out let's encrypt. :(
[12:30] <diddledan> :-(
[12:31]  * diddledan hides
[12:32] <diddledan> it's a bit odd that podtrac is redirecting to a url that you didn't configure it to use though
[12:32] <diddledan> i.e. https rather than http when podtrac is loaded via ssl
[12:35] <JoeRess> Podtrac has many failings
[12:40] <JoeRess> Their servers run Windows for example
[12:41] <diddledan> yeah I noticed the tell-tale Server: Microsoft-IIS/8.5 in curl response :-p
[12:43] <diddledan> they're on amazon by the looks. so at least they have "cloud" checked-off the marketing checklist
[12:45] <JoeRess> Their dev is usually fairly responsive on Twitter so we'll see what he says
[13:12] <diddledan> ooh, I like these predictions
[13:12] <diddledan> just got onto the worldwide internet outage
[13:12] <diddledan> so we're considering all-out cyberwar at this point I guess?
[13:13] <diddledan> oh god, sorry, I regret using the word cyber. because the cyber is so big now
[13:24] <diddledan> telegram has a naughty picture on their homepage: https://telegram.org/img/tl_card_open.gif
[13:32] <foobarry> from the bears perspective maybe
[13:33] <SuperMatt> That's a very odd picture
[13:33] <SuperMatt> But I like the graphical style
[13:34] <diddledan> all their imagery is custom-designed by the looks
[13:34] <diddledan> they all follow the same style
[13:40] <popey> they walk close to the line a lot
[13:40] <popey> they announced a new feature in telegram and used an image of a half naked women to promote it
[13:41] <popey> that image then disappeared and a new one (of the same woman) appeared, with more clothing
[13:47] <m0nkey_> wow. my switch under my desk just failed.
[13:47] <foobarry> can i still use the apache "combined" format to log search engine request strings?
[13:47] <foobarry> haven't done it for 10 years
[13:50] <diddledan> foobarry: yes and no - if your site isn't running https then you'll not get any referrer info from the search engines because they _are_ running https so your browser doesn't send the previous page to protect privacy on non-secure connections
[13:51] <foobarry> thanks diddledan thats a new thing since 2005 :P
[13:51] <diddledan> :-D
[15:00] <diddledan> yey. google rock. they've put a nice big red screen of phishing on an official government website I worked on
[15:00] <diddledan> presumably because it isn't a .gov.uk domain
[15:00] <SuperMatt> Well, were you phishing everyone that went there?
[15:01] <zmoylan-pi> maybe they were phishing some other country... :-P
[15:01] <SuperMatt> s/went/worked
[15:07] <diddledan> no, there's no phishing involved
[15:08] <SuperMatt> TBH, when I was at Rackspace I constantly had clients that were accused of phishing, but mostly because someone would exploit a vulnerability in a wordpress plugin to upload a naughty script or seven
[15:08] <diddledan> I really do think tumbleweed is a bad name for opensuse's thingy
[15:08] <zmoylan-pi> maybe it confused google as there were no adverts all over it? :-P
[15:08] <SuperMatt> hurr
[15:09] <SuperMatt> My number one tool was to run "find . -mtime -30"
[15:09] <diddledan> "YEY, OpenSuse release a major new update... *tumbleweed*"
[15:09] <SuperMatt> I would often find the newly uuploaded script in a few minutes
[15:10] <diddledan> the site in question is running an entirely bespoke piece of software
[15:11] <diddledan> so if it has been hacked then it would have to have been very targeted
[15:17] <SuperMatt> fair enough
[15:21] <m0nkey_> Last time I tried SuSE, I couldn't figure out how to install any packages.
[15:24] <diddledan> yast
[15:24] <SuperMatt> zypper
[15:25] <SuperMatt> My big problem with Suse was that their equivalent of PPAs was nowhere near as good as ppas
[15:25] <SuperMatt> and a lot of things just didn't exist in the main repos, so you hand to rely on their second class system
[15:27] <m0nkey_> heh, and there was me trying to use yum, since it's rpm based. lol
[15:27] <m0nkey_> shows you how long ago i used suse
[15:29]  * diddledan watches the suse tumbleweed roll past the desolate abandoned town
[15:29] <diddledan> see, totally a bad name
[15:29] <m0nkey_> who actually uses suse these days?
[15:30] <diddledan> opensuse, not sure, but I think businesses might use SLES still (mostly european companies 'cos american and elsewhere use RHEL)
[15:32] <diddledan> I don't know whether anyone ever used SLED (the desktop equiv of SLES)
[15:37] <SuperMatt> Some people rely on SLES for packaging Red Hat patches
[15:38] <SuperMatt> I like yast in principle, but in the end I just think that Fedora is the most balanced distro between being bleeding edge and stable
[15:40] <SuperMatt> Ubuntu lost its bleeding edge when it stopped tracking behind gnome
[16:06] <jezster> Ubuntu seems fine for me, given that I'm just returning to Linux desktop use.
[16:08] <SuperMatt> I've spent quite a few years jumping around, until I finally landed on Fedora. I think it has something to do with using it for my jobs in enterprise, making it the logical choice to stay abreast with changes
[16:08] <jezster> I've recently been given a nice little X220 Lenovo and it's almost perfect for me use ... I have to wonder if Budgie will fix my last few issues.
[16:10] <jezster> Fedora is excellent, but I guess I'm used to CrunchBang/Ubuntu/Debian/etc...
[16:11] <SuperMatt> took me a little while to get used to Fedora, but now I have, it just seems the correct fit for me
[16:14] <diddledan> SuperMatt: what's wayland like? :-D
[16:14] <SuperMatt> It works
[16:14] <diddledan> yey
[16:14] <SuperMatt> If I didn't know they'd made the change, I wouldn't have guessed
[16:14] <diddledan> gotta love when stuff works
[16:15] <diddledan> nice
[16:15] <SuperMatt> I haven't tried any xforwarding though
[16:15] <diddledan> I suppose there's forwarding X from server to wayland client and vicky verky
[16:16] <SuperMatt> I think there's something like that going on
[16:16] <SuperMatt> but meh
[16:16] <diddledan> would be interesting to see if there's a difference in behaviour depending on direction
[16:16] <SuperMatt> Most of what I do requires a terminal, and no forwarding
[16:16] <SuperMatt> anyway, it's home time
[16:16] <SuperMatt> so peace out, yo
[16:16] <diddledan> \o/
[17:38] <diddledan> oh dear: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-38565913
[17:38] <daftykins> no biggy, hideous device :)
[17:39] <daftykins> oy at folk that don't read your emails properly and so reply with the wrong conclusion
[17:40] <daftykins> must be that manx fella redtaperenegade i'm dealing with for my gas bills (since the parent company is up there these days) :D
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcP98zlwojE&t=0s
[17:47] <daftykins> i think he worked out what it is from the story of it being stolen?
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> Razer announced that it was indeed those prototypeds
[17:57] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: sure you don't work at a gas company? ;)
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> Oh you're not talking about the triple screened laptop anymore?
[18:03] <daftykins> just getting at how you seem to pay as much attention as the bloke from the gas co. who read my first email
[18:57] <marshmn> if I have both wired and WiFi networks connected, does Ubuntu only use the wired interface?
[18:59] <popey> it uses whatever is default route
[18:59] <popey> well, default with higest metric
[19:00] <marshmn> hmm
[19:00] <marshmn> so for mine it will be using WiFi I guess (has a metric of 600 compared to 100 for the wired)
[19:00] <diddledan> anyone seen this thingy? https://www.crowdsupply.com/raptor-computing-systems/talos-secure-workstation
[19:00] <popey> s/highest/lowest/ I think.
[19:00] <marshmn> ah
[19:01] <daftykins> yeah low metric = priority interface
[19:01] <marshmn> ok
[19:01] <popey> i just tested this by running iperf -s on my server, and iperf -c on my laptop
[19:01] <marshmn> how is the metric determined?
[19:01] <daftykins> interface type
[19:01] <marshmn> I see
[19:01] <popey> there's rules
[19:01] <marshmn> OK, so it will prioritize wired - which sounds good...
[19:01] <marshmn> thanks :-)
[19:01] <popey> np
[19:01] <daftykins> ideally though you just wouldn't run both
[19:02] <marshmn> ok - why is it bad?
[19:02] <daftykins> no idea if it'd switch if you had some transfers / communications in process
[19:02] <popey> depends on the app
[19:02] <popey> mosh does
[19:02] <marshmn> I see
[19:02] <daftykins> e.g. browsing online, streaming something, then plug in your cable
[19:02] <popey> i frequently switch during the day between wifi and both
[19:03] <popey> not sure if I ever have stuff streaming tho
[19:03] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23777617/ too many interfaces :)
[19:05] <daftykins> yeah that's why i added that caveat
[19:46] <marshmn> is it possible to control the volume from Ubuntu when the audio is connected through HDMI?
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> yes
[19:48] <daftykins> if it's stereo, sure
[19:49] <marshmn> OK
[20:08] <daftykins> Mr.Kipling prices have gone up!? :(
[20:09] <zmoylan-pi> well... until they can source a local source for pineapples and other ingredients...
[23:46] <zmoylan-pi> japanese amateurs are going to try and launch a nano sat in a few mins... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55ouemR6bbk
[23:47] <zmoylan-pi> looks like it's been scrubbed... :-(
[23:52] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVjop01FGrA yay Louis