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[00:28] <ahoneybun> oh snap 5.9 bring global bar back!
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[06:04] <Mirv> morning, another day of transition mysteries to solve
[06:04] <Mirv> right now the next wait is for getting archive admin to promote some more packages to main from universe 
[08:12] <acheronuk> Mirv: if I can do anything useful on that, I doubt I can get to it util this evening.
[08:14] <Mirv> acheronuk: it seems unfortunately not, unity8 landing added two new universe dependencies which conflict with main <-> universe boundary. I've pinged the people who could act.
[08:15] <Mirv> well of course there could be something else too but that's again what's easily seen on the excuses page
[08:16] <acheronuk> urgh. new uploads? I saw a load on the mailing list yesterday, inc unity 8, and thought "why now???"
[08:44] <Mirv> acheronuk: it seems it's actually one demotion away bug #1656104. yeah and I would have preferred waiting too.
[08:48] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[08:56] <acheronuk> yofel: as we don't do 'stable' branches at the moment, would it be worth tagging unstable somehow now as KDE have just branched Plasma 5.9 from master?
[08:57] <yofel> if it helps you, feel free to do so. In the past this *was* the point to merge unstable into _archive, with the known downsides
[08:59] <acheronuk> yofel: I may do later then, after perhaps a bit of thought. Though now I think of it, as long as we are bot too long in doing 5.9, the master changes vs changes between beta and release for 5.9 may just be a choice of 2 fairly equivalent evils
[08:59] <acheronuk> *not too long
[09:00]  * acheronuk seeks more caffeine
[10:34] <alleehol> clivejo: digikam-doc depends on khelpcenter4 (is transitional), should depend on khelpcenter instead
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Morning folks
[12:29] <soee> Qt 5.8 Hoping To Release Next Week
[12:29] <soee> Zesty will jump to it ?
[12:43] <yofel> no
[12:58] <clivejo> alleehol: whats that from my PPA?
[12:58] <clivejo> was that
[13:21] <alleehol> clivejo: yes.  digikam-doc 5.4
[13:21] <clivejo> are you on the debian team
[13:21] <clivejo> I see you mentioned in the copyright
[13:22] <alleehol> clivejo: I was once apon a time.  Usual thing: lack of free time.   No idea if the removed my commit rights to kde-extras on alioth
[13:23] <alleehol> s/the/they/
[13:23] <clivejo> they need to learn how to use wrap-and-sort :P
[13:24] <alleehol> give them the right tool as a late christmas present :-)
 anybody here?
 I need a git repo for Kubuntu Podcast
 where can I make it?
 git repo for?
 The feeds
 and the generator
 and the feed source
 github
 I'd make it in phabricator
 , but since we don't have it yet
 I'd make it in Launchpad
[16:31] <genii> apparently github is currently down
 github is proprietary
 I'd preffer to avoid it
 I still have some stuff there, for lack of a better place
 But github works
[16:34] <soee> use own gitlab instance :)
[16:36] <acheronuk> Mirv: I'm doing a rebuild of KDE apps 16.12 against landed Qt 5.7.1 in proposed, and I think may have more gold linker related probs on some other archs
[16:36] <acheronuk> e.g. ppc64el https://launchpadlibrarian.net/302354472/buildlog_ubuntu-zesty-ppc64el.libkf5kipi_16.12.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu17.04~ppa10_BUILDING.txt.gz
[16:37] <acheronuk> I'll let it all shake down and file a bug if so
 I'm very tempted to roll my own gitlab instance
 but then it will be very difficult to make my code public
[16:49] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: I guess you would need a new team to host that on LP. even then, not sure if it can do what you want
 meh....
 I'm having a party in BBB in Room 1. If anyone cares to join me 😃
[16:55] <tsdgeos> ovidiuflorin: launchpad?
[16:56] <tsdgeos> why isn't that the obvious choice for a kubuntu related repo?
 because managing permissions is a pain
 and the set-up....
 ugh.....
[17:08] <IrcsomeBot1> * ovidiuflorin is eating nuttella pankakes and listening to AC/DC
[18:48] <sintre> i upgraded yesterday and  get this notification afterbooted that it can't download some font data pack
[18:48] <sintre> not available , can't copy and paste msg unfurtately
[18:49] <pedahzur> sintre: I'm getting that too. When I run the process it errors out with a message about not being able to change user or some such. I accidentally canceled it just now, and don't have the bulb back in my task bar yet.
[18:50] <sintre> i try to "redoanload" and again fails
[18:50] <sintre> although it only happens on restart
[18:50] <sintre> then will be quiet until next restart , which happens like 3 times a day
[18:51] <clivejo> upgraded what and to what?
[18:51] <sintre> 160.04
[18:51] <sintre> 1604 using back ports
[18:51] <sintre> normal update then full-upgrade
[18:52] <clivejo> can you be clearer on the message?
[18:52] <pedahzur> clivejo: It was when I upgraded to KDE 5.28.0
[18:52] <pedahzur> clivejo: How would I get that lightbulb back in my task bar so I can re-try this? :)
[18:53] <clivejo> was it font pack or language pack?
[18:53] <sintre> something about fonts
[18:53] <sintre> ms something
[18:54] <sintre> get a lil explaimation mark with a system notification in tool bar
[18:54] <sintre> saying couldn't download data package
[18:54] <momken> Hello
[18:54] <sintre> and to try again , i try again it fails
[18:54] <sintre> only other option is to close
[18:54] <sintre> , then on next reboot same msg keeps poping up
[18:55] <clivejo> I cant see any part of KDE wanted msfonts
[18:55] <pedahzur> sintre: How do you try again?
[18:55] <sintre> ?
[18:55] <sintre> well it want some data package with fonts
[18:55] <momken> I just wanted to request that the maintainers of kubuntu-backports update the package "packagekit" to the latest version (the code on its github page after september 2016)
[18:56] <sintre> clivejo> me either but it was some data package it couldn't download in the update i did yesterday
[18:56] <sintre> and now won't stop whining about it
[18:56] <momken> It newer code contains a bug-fix which makes "pkcon install package-name" to also install the recommened pages of "package-name"
[18:56] <sintre> i'm doing something witha file transfer
[18:57] <sintre> in about 10 i'll reboot and take a screen shot to get exactly what its asking for
[18:57] <momken> It is not a bug of KDE neither PackageKit is part of kde, but it would be very great if it become updated
[18:59] <clivejo> anything to do with ttf-mscorefonts-installer ?
[18:59] <sintre> that sounds right
[18:59] <sintre> something ms and font in it
[18:59] <clivejo> I think thats an apt problem
[18:59] <clivejo> not getting correct permissions for some directory
[19:00] <clivejo> I had it complaining about flash
[19:00] <clivejo> but Im on zesty now and havent seen that issue in a while
[19:01] <momken> sintre: Does it want to do post-processings of package "ttf-mscorefonts-installer"?
[19:01] <sintre> something like that , complaing it can't download or install it
[19:01] <sintre> or smething related
[19:01] <sintre> i'll reboot here after transfer is done and get exactly what its whining about
[19:02] <momken> Both this package and the package of flash installer try to run a post-processing script which try to download some properietary blobs from internet
[19:02] <sintre> yea and if not available , it whines lol
[19:03] <clivejo> lp 1593611
[19:03] <clivejo> Can't drop privileges for downloading as file
[19:03] <clivejo> LP 1543280
[19:04] <sintre> k i'll brb in about 5-10
[19:04] <clivejo> ^^ thats the one for ms fonts
[19:04] <momken> There may be 2 reasons for that problem: 1- The file it tries to download is not hosted (by Micorsoft or Adobe) anymore. 2- There a problem with apt itself to download the file (maybe permissions, I don't know)
[19:05] <clivejo> if memory serves I think I fixed mine by doing this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/1543280/comments/19
[19:06] <clivejo> but that is an upstream Ubuntu bug to be honest, nothing we can fix in Kubuntu
[19:07] <momken> clivejo: What about updating "packagekit"?
[19:07] <clivejo> momken: Im not aware of any problems with it?
[19:08] <momken> clivejo: Could you please update it to a newer version than 1.1.1 (newer than sept 2016
[19:08] <clivejo> whats in zesty?
[19:08] <momken> clivejo: No I mean for 16.04 LTS
[19:09] <momken> I can't request it to be updated in old repos of 16.04
[19:09] <momken> clivejo: This bug has been fixed: https://github.com/hughsie/PackageKit/issues/145
[19:09] <clivejo> zesty has 1.1.4, yakkety has 1.1.1 and Xenial has 0.8.17
[19:10] <momken> clivejo: Yead the version in zesty is new enough, but what should I do in Xenial?
[19:10] <clivejo> acheronuk uploaded 1.1.1 to Xenial Backports
[19:10] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=packagekit&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[19:10] <sintre> yep says fsilure to download extra data files
[19:11] <clivejo> so you want 1.1.4 backported to XX and YY?
[19:11] <sintre> ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[19:11] <momken> I don't want to use a non-LTS ubuntu and currently there is also no PPA only for packagekit for Xenial
[19:12] <momken> clivejo: Yeah. 1.1.4 should be enough for me
[19:12] <clivejo> it would be via our backports PPA
[19:12] <acheronuk> I used the minimum safe version there was at the time that worked on each. if better versions test ok in landing, then yes
[19:12] <momken> I only need packagekit and no more packages now. But the bug-fix in 1.1.4 is very important
[19:12] <sintre> is there a site you cna upload images to fast like pastebin with text?
[19:13] <acheronuk> sintre is this the mscore fonts?
[19:13] <sintre> yeds
[19:13] <momken> acheronuk: Hmmm. thanks
[19:13] <sintre> yes
[19:13] <acheronuk> in that case the ubuntu package is broken
[19:14] <momken> clivejo: So packagekit 1.1.4 will be in kubuntu-backports ppa in the future?
[19:14] <momken> sintre: The temporary solution I use is to manually downloading the blob, find the cache folder it was supposed to be downloaded to and then copy manually-downloaded file to that place, and finally trying to reinstall the package again :)
[19:14] <clivejo> well seeing its in zesty, we'll look into getting it backported.  But it depends on dependancies
[19:15] <sintre> momken> i'm not annoyed enough Yet to go that far
[19:16] <sintre> , but something is broken , need to slap someone around with a trout to make em fix it :)
[19:16] <momken> momken: Ok then :))
[19:17] <sintre> and i need to probally start to learn , more so I can fix this stuff :)
[19:17] <clivejo> momken: added a job on trello
[19:17] <clivejo> https://trello.com/c/vIxsseCT
[19:18] <clivejo> no promises, just depends on if someonde has time to look at it and there arent too many problems in actually backporting it
[19:19] <clivejo> sintre: I think your problem is this LP 1543280
[19:20] <momken> clivejo: packagekit and its CLI frontend is written with Gtk libraries (libglib2 and gobject). So I guess one should also update Gtk+ based libs too
[19:20] <sintre> well seems somebody is working on it
[19:20] <acheronuk> sintre: there is a bug to merge the debian version to fix your issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/1656102
[19:20] <momken> It also uses libsqlite3 and libc6
[19:21] <clivejo> momken: if it requires too much work it might not happen
[19:21] <sintre> well confirmed buy un assinged
[19:21] <sintre> but
[19:21] <sintre> atleast we know what it is
[19:21] <clivejo> we are a small team and currently working on zesty (17.04)
[19:23] <momken> clivejo: Hmmm. You are right. Why should they write a framework and its CLI frontend with Gtk? It doesn't seem reasonable.
[19:25] <momken> clivejo: Anyway if it they can only update the specific package "packagekit-backend-aptcc" it is enough too, because the bug is solved in APTcc plugin
[19:27] <pedahzur> Yeah, so I do see I'm getting a 404 when running "sudo apt-get install --reinstall ttf-mscorefonts-installer" but then it says: "W: Can't drop privileges for downloading as file '/var/lib/update-notifier/package-data-downloads/partial/andale32.exe' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)" which is a very weird error.
[19:27] <sintre> the mystery deepens
[19:28] <pedahzur> Hmm...Now I'm not getting a 404...it's working, but it's still throwing that "can't drop privs" error.  Since when could a program running as root *not* drop privs? :)
[19:30] <momken> clivejo: The "packagekit-backend-aptcc" also depends on "libglib2.0" but I guess it could be compiled with a little older versions of "libglib2.0". But anyway thanks for considering this bug.
[19:30] <pedahzur> And next run I get 404s again. Whuh?
[19:30] <sintre> lol
[19:30] <momken> I really don't expect to put a lot of effort on it. Only solve it if it was easy. Thank you very much
[19:30] <sintre> ok not funny , but interesting egg to crack
[19:33] <momken> sintre: I strongly recommend you to follow the download links for fonts "Andale, Arial Black, ..." when the post-script tries to download them
[19:33] <momken> I guess the problem should be of MS servers themselve and they may have removed those files or changed their address
[19:34] <pedahzur> But it's sourceforge... :)
[19:34] <momken> I have same issues with wine-tricks, when it tries to download some dlls?
[19:34] <momken> pedahzur: Really? hmmm
[19:40] <momken> Ok, I will go. Thank you for supporting us :D
[19:43] <pedahzur> Sorry, system froze.
[19:43] <pedahzur> momken: Yes, it's sourceforge: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/corefonts/arial32.exe
[19:43] <pedahzur> (and others)
[19:46] <sintre> momken
[19:46] <sintre> Ok, I will go. Thank you for supporting us :D
[19:46] <sintre> he had to run
[19:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[19:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kmailtransport build #138: FIXED in 21 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kmailtransport/138/
[19:56] <acheronuk> Qt 5.7.1 still well and truly wedged fast in -proposed
 What's sticking it now?
 *grabs big crow bar*
[20:23] <acheronuk> I think http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity8
[20:24] <acheronuk> but probably more as well
[20:30] <acheronuk> oh, and even hacked in my ppa to avoid the hanging tests, gpgme still fails now on arm64 and armhf
[20:30] <acheronuk> so that is not great either
[21:20] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[21:20] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_akonadi-contacts build #93: FIXED in 25 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_akonadi-contacts/93/
[22:30] <acheronuk> stuff KDE PIM. I vote we just do the rest of the KDE applications anyway :P
[22:32] <clivejo> I been of that option for a week or so now :P
[22:32] <clivejo> opinion
[22:32] <sintre> what sthe terminal command to bring up the software and settings update gui
[22:32] <sintre> sry trying to walk a guy thru install
[22:33] <clivejo> did you stage 16.12.1?
[22:35] <acheronuk> clivejo: not yet, as the other day the KDE team were busy re-spinning a few pre-release tarballs.
[22:36] <clivejo> this is very true
[22:37] <valorie> amen to that -- we should have new applications for the beta if possible
[22:37] <valorie> if we can get PIM done later, fine
[22:38]  * clivejo thinks PIM is going to be a problem
[22:39] <clivejo> with the new packages, webengine and all the faff to get it through proposed
[22:40] <acheronuk> webengine only builds on amd64, i386 and armhf I think
[22:40] <acheronuk> gpgme is just a **bleep**
[22:41] <acheronuk> but will build on amd64 and i386 if you hack the tests a bit with a machete
[22:42] <acheronuk> I'm trying PIM in a ppa of mine with hacked gpgme, but even that is not great
[22:43] <clivejo> has backports-landing still got FW and Plasma in there? 
[22:44] <acheronuk> probably
[22:45] <acheronuk> clivejo: oh, 16.12.1 was out yesterdays. can stage that tomorrow maybe then
[22:45] <acheronuk> should be fairly straight forward I hope
[22:59] <acheronuk> valorie: beta = 23rd Feb?
[22:59] <acheronuk> after feature freeze on 16th?
[23:00] <acheronuk> if we don't have the non-PIM part of apps in by then, I shall be throwing everything linux in a skip!
[23:00] <valorie> January 26th
[23:00] <valorie> Alpha 2 (for opt-in flavors)
[23:01] <acheronuk> hmmmm. 13 days away. maybe
[23:01] <valorie> oops, I miss-spoke
[23:01] <valorie> I remember wxl proposing we try for alpha 2 to get more testing
[23:02] <valorie> for Apps that seems wise, no?
[23:02] <valorie> if doable, as you say
[23:02] <acheronuk> probably can get apps upload by then, but out of -proposed?
[23:02] <acheronuk> that is the trick!
[23:03] <valorie> yeah
[23:03] <valorie> Mirv is using his sharp stick quite effectively it seems
[23:03] <valorie> should help, right?
[23:04]  * acheronuk has been wielding pointy objects as well
[23:04] <acheronuk> I hope so.
[23:05] <wxl> clivejo: please advise on moving forward with the yakkety sru of konversation
[23:05] <wxl> (now that rik's had his way with it)
[23:07] <clivejo> usually you need an SRU bug report
[23:07] <clivejo> I didnt know if the current one is enough or if you need a new one
[23:08] <wxl> i can handle that
[23:08] <wxl> i'm just wondering if you consider it "sufficiently" tested
[23:08] <clivejo> does anyone know that momken person who was in here before
[23:09] <clivejo> wxl: I cant test it so I dont know, but if you have 3 or more people testing it, I would consider that sufficient
[23:10] <sintre> clivejo > not well but i've seen him in kubuntu before , he was having similar issue as mine
[23:10] <sintre> earlier
[23:11] <clivejo> ximion: do you know who momken is?
[23:13] <acheronuk> 'Sina Momken' according to /whowas
[23:14] <valorie> he occasionally comes into #kubuntu
[23:15] <wxl> clivejo: well, two so far. i guess i'll try to get someone else to look. siiiiiiiiiiiiiigh
[23:15] <wxl> ahoneybun: weren't you at one point going to test the yakkety konversation in my ppa?
[23:15] <clivejo> seeing as its a bigfix release, thats probably enough
[23:15] <clivejo> bug
[23:15] <wxl> k well i'll try with ahoneybun first i guess
[23:16] <acheronuk> clivejo wxl etc. need to organise a ninja/dev meeting sometime as well, as clivejo suggested the other day
[23:16] <acheronuk> with feature freeze a month and a few days away
[23:17] <clivejo> yes
[23:17] <wxl> post somehing to the list and suggest a date?
[23:17] <clivejo> wxl: was more the time/date to try and fit in with you guys on the other side of the pond
[23:18] <wxl> clivejo: how about this weekend sometime?
[23:18] <wxl> maybe 1500 utc tomorrow?
[23:20] <clivejo> is 15:00 UTC not too early for you?
[23:20] <wxl> naw, i'm usually rousing at 1400
[23:20] <wxl> i'm not a teenager like SOME PEOPLE :)
[23:21]  * clivejo wonders if Darin could make that
[23:21] <wxl> i can do later but usually my girls are not chomping at the bit at that point
[23:23] <acheronuk> fine with me most times later tomorrow
[23:23] <wxl> later like whne
[23:23] <wxl> ?
[23:23] <wxl> s/ne/en/
[23:23] <acheronuk> later = mid afternoon - evening UTC
[23:24] <wxl>  = 1700 utc
[23:24] <wxl> ?
[23:25] <wxl> apparently evening is supposed to roughhly coincide with sundown, so is that right? :)
[23:25] <clivejo> thats my tea time! 
[23:26] <acheronuk> wxl: ok I should be clearer
[23:26] <acheronuk> 15:00 would be ok. so would anytime after that, most likely
[23:26] <wxl> oh ok
[23:26] <clivejo> lets do 15:00
[23:26] <wxl> there ya go, so we just need to check with darin
[23:31] <wxl> sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo maybe an email to the list? :)
[23:34] <acheronuk> I guess so
[23:35]  * acheronuk yawns
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