[00:29] <diddledan> tinder gets too intrusive: https://twitter.com/edenthecat/status/819597750639673344
[00:35] <zmoylan-pi> at least it wasn't asking what make model keyboard they use... that would be too personal a question...
[00:43] <daftykins> nothing like text delivered as images
[00:44] <zmoylan-pi> the limitation of twitters 140 limits...
[00:44] <zmoylan-pi> i just hope the usa military makes the launch codes 141+ characters by next week...
[00:48] <diddledan> lol, that would be funny
[08:46] <SuperMatt> did we all chortle at Guilliani's poor cyber security? He's apparently Trump's cymber security guru
[08:47] <SuperMatt> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/13/giuliani_joomla_outdated_site/ for reference
[08:56] <SuperMatt> ────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
[08:56] <SuperMatt> uuhhhh
[08:56] <SuperMatt> don't know where that came from
[09:08] <davmor2> Morning all we can haz snow
[09:29] <diplo> Morning! Ours lasted 2 mins and then just froze, now nothing :)
[09:42] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday (what, already?), and happy Make Your Dream Come True Day! 😃
[12:11] <foobarry> quiet today
[12:12] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe6HFTm7lbQ
[13:02] <foobarry> my 3yr old child has just used the most beautiful language ever to describe a poo
[13:02] <foobarry> "it dived into my wee like a dolphin"
[13:06] <zmoylan-pi> ^this is what sleep deprivation does to you...
[13:06] <zmoylan-pi> :-)
[14:13] <diddledan> talk about tempting fate: https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/819904788192231424
[14:27] <davmor2> diddledan: hahahahaha I love that it got to hel :)
[14:28] <diddledan> I missed that bit
[14:28] <diddledan> haha
[14:28] <davmor2> diddledan: if it had of been heading for Heaven it would of course crashed and burned
[14:28] <diddledan> lol
[14:36] <zmoylan-pi> i hope their duty free stocked up on rabbits feet, 4 leaf clovers and mini bibles...
[15:50] <KingsQuest> netinstall lubuntu 16.04 LTS and it will be Amiga 4.01 without updates including the kernel on UK servers only Africa must use netinstall. on their servers 800 days.
[16:07] <SuperMatt> o/~ it's the end of the week as we know it, and I feel fine
[16:07] <popey> \o/
[16:07] <popey> FFFFFFRIDAY!
[16:08] <SuperMatt> I take it you're an REM fan?
[16:11] <popey> not so much a fan
[16:11] <popey> more a fan of fridays
[16:11] <SuperMatt> Oh well that's the important bit
[16:13] <davmor2> popey: Who isn't
[16:15] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/githubstatus/status/819940738452615168
[16:15] <diddledan> who broke it?
[16:18] <davmor2> diddledan: most likely me I break everything it's my job :)
[16:19] <diddledan> https://status.github.com/ shows they lost every app server
[16:19] <Laney> davmor2 broke my soul a long time ago
[16:19] <popey> )
[16:19] <popey> MY EYES!
[16:19] <popey> :)
[16:20] <popey> ah, there they are
[16:21] <davmor2> Laney: I just do my job that well ;)  Besides that was easy willcooke was the really challenge everything is like water off a ducks back to him :D
[16:23]  * Seeker` panics
[16:24] <diddledan> Seeker`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgonBt1oa9Y
[16:40] <diddledan> super mario run's onboarding experience dissected: http://www.useronboard.com/how-supermariorun-onboards-new-users/
[16:42] <daftykins> if anyone ever buys from these guys, beware they send you your password by email in plaintext - https://www.smartbuyglasses.co.uk/
[16:42] <daftykins> hmm wasn't there a site for naming and shaming these instances...
[16:43] <daftykins> plaintextoffenders.com :D
[16:47] <diddledan> "toll free" phone? in the UK? don't they mean freefone?
[16:48] <diddledan> and the number doesn't begin with an 0
[16:48] <daftykins> nah i had some fun dialling it just now
[16:48] <daftykins> my mobile said no, had to use skype
[16:49] <popey> diddledan: that presentation is hilarious
[16:49] <popey> slide 56-58 are funny
[16:52] <diddledan> how does the divX company still exisst?
[16:53] <daftykins> it does? D:
[16:54] <daftykins> i'd guess licensing but who would possibly want anything they have...
[16:55] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: might have a job for you, a guy in another channel has someone's lotus 123 db that's corrupted itself :D
[16:55] <diddledan> lotus is still a thing, too?!
[16:56] <daftykins> just a silly no-backups client of his i think :>
[16:56] <daftykins> ('his' being the other channel fella)
[18:07] <diddledan> this looks freaky: the whispers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r9glhaxaL0
[18:33] <zmoylan-pi> probably some accountant who just got set in their way of lotuses macros probably...
[18:33] <zmoylan-pi> ...and my spreadsheet is as easy as... not lotus :-P
[18:37] <daftykins> :)
[18:38] <daftykins> ugh in a right bind with a clients machine, he was sold Office 2013 by some local guy but never supplied a product key etc... so i can't do much about reinstalling
[18:38] <daftykins> as of 2010 or 2013 they don't put keys in the registry anymore
[18:39] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: we had that on an AMSTRAD PC1512 system (MSDOS 3.2 and an 86 processor (not even a 186 or 286!)
[18:40] <diddledan> daftykins: ergh that's sucky
[18:40] <zmoylan-pi> i see it as my job to make the nsa have to keep developers around to decode ancient obscure formats...
[18:41] <zmoylan-pi> and using base 9 for my maths is just my irish way of splitting the difference between base 8 and base 10 and using a system that annoys everyone :-D
[18:41] <daftykins> we emailed the other guy and he said he'd look, but he's not lifted a finger i bet
[19:24] <diddledan> wow, langurs being sad: https://www.facebook.com/BBCOne/videos/1411713292195556/
[19:26] <daftykins> damn humans messing with their feels!
[19:27]  * diddledan hugs
[19:28] <daftykins> diddledan: hold me!
[19:28] <diddledan> pervert
[19:28] <daftykins> :<
[19:28] <diddledan> :-p
[19:28] <daftykins> have i mentioned despising machines with HDDs?
[19:28]  * diddledan giggles like the schoolgirl he dreams he was
[19:28] <daftykins> uuuugh everything is so slow
[19:28] <diddledan> ouch
[19:29] <diddledan> I can't do HDD anymore except in my NAS
[19:29] <daftykins> indeedy, i've got an SSD ready to go for this machine but the office license problem is a massive brick wall
[19:29]  * davmor2 pats his 1TB hdd in his work horse laptop and tells it not to listen
[19:29] <daftykins> rise of the big phones at Dell - http://i.dell.com/sites/imagecontent/shared-content/campaigns/en/PublishingImages/outlet-uk-images/547-phone-queue-promo-splitter-925x200-uk.jpg
[19:29]  * zmoylan-pi loves a good spinning hard drive... :-)
[19:30] <daftykins> they're all rubbish!
[19:30] <diddledan> wow that's huge!
[19:30] <diddledan> it's like he's compensating for something.
[19:30] <diddledan> perhaps he has small hands
[19:30] <daftykins> small HDDs
[19:30] <davmor2> no the guys just has a really small head and hands
[19:31] <zmoylan-pi> 1tb of cat videos for the zombie apocalypse... he'll be fighting off rampaging gangs of nerds wanting videos and charges for their phones...
[19:34] <diddledan> apparently ginger beards on dark-haired folk isn't a sign of infidelity in the family: http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/why-do-so-many-guys-have-ginger-beards/
[20:01] <knightwise> Afternoon folks :)
[20:04] <daftykins> \o
[20:05] <davmor2> diddledan: genetic throw back to the viking invaders
[20:06] <zmoylan-pi> ginger feckers...
[21:44] <diddledan> Today I learned: https://twitter.com/diddledan/status/820023617975107585
[21:45]  * daftykins spots the URL
[21:45] <daftykins> that must've been future diddledan if he taught you something!
[21:47] <diddledan> oh God, I've upset an earthling. they're an angryearthling
[21:48] <daftykins> o0
[21:48]  * zmoylan-pi whistles nonchantly and twiddles thumbs...
[21:48] <diddledan> which one of you is it?!
[21:48] <diddledan> hehe
[21:49] <diddledan> alright, so you're nonchalant. quit rubbing our noses in it already!
[21:49] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoiu8_K-eZg
[21:50]  * diddledan spots the earthling has left a map in the form of Latitude and Longitude coordinates.
[21:51] <daftykins> o0
[21:51] <daftykins> you're talking in code, chief
[21:51] <diddledan> blame the angry earthling!
[21:52] <zmoylan-pi> beep beep beep boop beep beeply de beep
[21:52] <zmoylan-pi> ...or don't you like my tone? :-P
[21:52] <diddledan> a bit flat
[22:32] <Azelphur> So...I'm trying out Ubuntu 16.10 and it's...terrible? I'm trying to install packages from the software center but it requires an account now (wtf?) and it keeps saying incorrect username or password, despite the fact that the credentials are definitely correct, and both me and my girlfriend have reset the credentials to ensure that they are correct.
[22:32] <Azelphur> Any ideas? or is the OS now a beached whale o.O
[22:33] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, if the software is a snap it wants an account... try apt-get at commandline instead
[22:34] <daftykins> or even apt :D
[22:34] <zmoylan-pi> had that with vlc... i rate problems as the number of new swear words i invent and that was a 2 profanity problem :-)
[22:34] <daftykins> Azelphur: so this was a nasty upgrade? :>
[22:34] <Azelphur> yea, guess I have to
[22:34] <Azelphur> nope, brand new fresh 16.10 install
[22:35] <Azelphur> gf wanted to dual boot so she could have a nice secure OS to do shopping and things on, figured Ubuntu would probably be a better choice than Arch
[22:35] <Azelphur> but dang, requiring login to install packages...things got bad D:
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> i have os/2 on floppy here... if that helps... :-P
[22:35] <daftykins> bit paranoid not to just keep a hygienic system and use private browsing mode
[22:36] <zmoylan-pi> and i believe there was a release of new version for amigas in last few weeks... :-D
[22:37] <Azelphur> daftykins, heh, it was her decision but I do think it's nice and safer to just use Linux for things like that
[22:37] <daftykins> depends on the user
[22:37] <Azelphur> She has windows for her games
[22:37] <Azelphur> suppose, but a little security never hurt anyone
[22:37] <Azelphur> :)
[22:37] <daftykins> dualboot is ridiculous for that, mate
[22:37] <zmoylan-pi> evil doers know that attacking a linux user will just make the linux track them down and explain to them in full boring detail why their nefarious plan didn't work :-P
[22:38] <daftykins> two things to keep up to date :>
[22:38] <zmoylan-pi> windows vista had uac... that was a little security that annoyed the hell out of everyone...
[22:39] <daftykins> i think it was a good idea, frustrating implementation for those that were used to the old way, sure, but well intentioned :)
[22:40] <Azelphur> lol
[22:40] <Azelphur> I think this bug might be down to the length of her email address, she uses her full name as an email address, and it's long
[22:40] <Azelphur> so I bet the registration form accepted it, while perhaps the API that the software store client uses doesn't
[22:40] <Azelphur> silly bug
[22:41] <daftykins> so the problem came up first, then you made your own account to try and that one couldn't install apps either?
[22:41] <daftykins> s/apps/packages/
[22:41] <zmoylan-pi> i've always resisted using any part of my name in my email addresses as it eliminates a lot of spam effort when they can't get any part of your name into the actual text of the email
[22:41] <daftykins> you mean you're not called Zebede Moylan? D:
[22:41] <Azelphur> daftykins, no, the problem came up and I haven't created another account to test the theory, I'm just betting that's what it is :)
[22:42] <daftykins> Azelphur: ah ok
[22:42] <zmoylan-pi> bludgeondumbusers@company.com :-P
[22:42] <daftykins> would've thought that was port of call #1!
[22:43] <Azelphur> I just mostly was shocked that it requires an account to install things, and that the account system is broke
[22:43] <zmoylan-pi> it really irked me too
[22:43] <Azelphur> things, they went downhill :<
[22:49] <daftykins> standard experience to my mind XD
[22:49]  * daftykins sticks to CLI package management
[22:49] <zmoylan-pi> ^proper
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> none of this namby pamby wishy washy fluffy hand holding gui silliness..
[22:50] <diddledan> I really hate that every email with a link in it these days has the url of that link hidden and replaced with an obfuscated one in the effort to track the number of clicks
[22:51] <zmoylan-pi> seconded
[22:51] <diddledan> I'd be far more likely to click links if I knew where they were gonna take me
[22:52] <zmoylan-pi> i open a lot of them in lynx just to annoy their database stats
[22:52] <diddledan> so they've lost my click in the attempt to find out whether I clicked it or not
[22:54] <Azelphur> actually seems like it's just broken
[22:54] <Azelphur> I signed up for a 2nd account and it's still doing it
[22:54] <diddledan> you didn't already have a launchpad account?
[22:55] <Azelphur> I think I do from a while ago, I just created another account with a throwaway email and it still says incorrect user/pass when I try and install a package
[22:56] <daftykins> does it not need confirming or something first?
[22:56] <diddledan> did you verify the email address?
[22:56] <diddledan> what daftykins said ^^
[22:58] <daftykins> meanwhile on a clients' Windows 10 machine i just updated Apple's software updater, so i could update Apple's software updater, so i could update iTunes
[22:58] <daftykins> and yeah, i've told you guys about that glorious one before :D
[22:58] <Azelphur> yea, verified my email address
[22:58] <diddledan> daftykins: ouch
[22:59] <Azelphur> I even copy pasted everything just to be sure, throughout the whole process
[22:59] <Azelphur> so yea, it's broken
[22:59] <zmoylan-pi> i think my what the hell are they thinking moment was when i wanted to install a few maps on an old nokia phone.  it wants software downloaded. 50mb. the software wanted dot net. 150mb. they both wanted patches. another 100mb a few reboots and then install <20mb of maps
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> this was pre broadband so the isdn really hummed that day... :-)
[23:00] <diddledan> hehe
[23:02] <Azelphur> aha, it is broke https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1616943 \o/
[23:02] <daftykins> i remember phoning one of the lads that had the dual channel ISDN locally, that sounded all weird
[23:03] <daftykins> i never laughed so hard when i heard they'd have to be converted back to analog lines to get ADSL
[23:04] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, that was fun explaining to folk who had waited for ages for isdn to be installed to then have to wait for copper to be reconnected...
[23:04] <diddledan> yeah, I was very lucky that I didn't jump on BT "Home Highway" which was ISDN for non-businesses
[23:04] <daftykins> :D
[23:04] <diddledan> I really wanted to do Home Highway, too
[23:04] <zmoylan-pi> in ireland the major telco simply called isdn broadband and sold it for 1-2 years with a straight face...
[23:05] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: 128Kbps _was_ broadband when you compare it to 33.6Kbps max modem speed (later 56 that never got to 56 in practice)
[23:06] <zmoylan-pi> in it's defence it connected super quick and the transfer speeds were rock solid if slow so no slowing down at 1800 when every analog modem in the country connected to internet
[23:06] <diddledan> I think my 56Kflex modem synced to freeserve at 42Kpbs
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> my brother was in the boonies and he shared 1 copper line with his neighbour on a dax unit so never got above 28000
[23:08] <daftykins> i'm sure i saw north of 46Kbps
[23:08] <diddledan> yeah but you're on a teeny island
[23:08] <daftykins> there was a weird time when i downloaded a DivX of something from someone and no word of a lie, it came over at 7KB/sec for one night only, on good ol' AOL
[23:09] <diddledan> and I only spotted today that DivX still exists as a company
[23:09] <daftykins> ikr! so apt
[23:10] <diddledan> so apt-get
[23:10] <daftykins> you don't need the -get anymore :P
[23:10] <diddledan> or dpkg -i
[23:10] <zmoylan-pi> there could be weird moments when the wind was blowing in right direction and under a full moon when both modems were 100% and the data could be compressed in hardware and you saw high speeds for transfers
[23:12] <zmoylan-pi> i often had to coax 2 9600 modems to eek the last few bytes of speed to make updates transfer a little faster around ireland on wonky phone lines
[23:12] <daftykins> oh i got an iPod classic to take apart and put a new battery in today btw, that'll be some fun surgery
[23:13] <zmoylan-pi> had one of those.  great fun.  kept me sane in hospital when i could have a few seasons of ds9 to keep me amused in hospital
[23:13] <daftykins> :> i see some guy online has modded one with a 1TB SSD
[23:13] <zmoylan-pi> if apple sold them now with a 1tb ssd they would sell
[23:15] <daftykins> they're even hiding the iPod section on their site now
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> they'll be hiding their laptop/desktop section next
[23:19] <Azelphur> confirmed, it is a bug, after dropping to the command line, apt upgrading, and rebooting, it now works and allows us to login
[23:19] <daftykins> had a feeling that would be the case, i nearly asked whether ubuntu was installed with updates during install or nay