[00:06] <dorkmafia> Henning_: I see this text when I press tab to edi it "/casper/vmlinuz.efi initrd=/casper/initrd.lz file=/cdrom/pressed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper only--ubiquity quiet splash ---"
[00:08] <Henning_> dorkmafia: can you add noapic after splash and run the command (the key combination should be at the bottom or is enter)
[00:10] <dorkmafia> ok i just added noapic and pressed enter and the cpu rebooted
[00:16] <luminos1ty> Any developers here?
[00:24] <mostafa> HEY
[00:27] <arooni> so i added some large dictionaries to goldendict and tracker-miner-fs started to eat up CPU.  shoudl i not store my dictionaries in ~/Documents/Dictionaries   ? i like having stuff indexed but dont need the filesystem to try  to index all those dictionaries
[00:27] <Speiros> Hey all
[00:30] <dorkmafia> Henning_: no dice
[00:30] <dorkmafia> Henning_: same thing it just reboots
[00:32] <Henning_> dorkmafia: maybe nomodeset if all fails try all_generic_ide and all_generic_ide
[00:33] <dorkmafia> so quiet splash noapic nomodeset ?
[00:34] <Henning_> usually you dont need a combination of two options afaik
[00:34] <dorkmafia> would be nice if i could see the log
[00:34] <dorkmafia> nomodeset didn't work
[00:34] <Henning_> remove quite then
[00:34] <dorkmafia> whats splash do?
[00:34] <Henning_> but if it reboots its probably too fast :(
[00:35] <Henning_> splash is the splash screen
[00:35] <Henning_> somehow you can activate ancient com port logging i think
[00:36] <Henning_> but you cant use a usb rs232 adapter, you have to use the internal one on the mainboard :(
[00:36] <dorkmafia> well it was too fast
[00:36] <dorkmafia> i saw stuff print out
[00:36] <dorkmafia> lemme see if i can take video
[00:37] <dorkmafia> all_generic_ide
[00:38] <Henning_> There are some more options, but i dont think they are applicable: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[00:39] <dorkmafia> so i did nomodeset and then booted it goes "trying to unpack rootfs image as initramfs.... then a bunch of stuff scrolls
[00:41] <dorkmafia> i see ehci-pci 0000:00:id.0 USB 2.0 started, EHCI 1.00
[00:42] <dorkmafia> and then there is [       5.275921] microcode: CPU19 sig=0x206d7, pf=0x1 revision 0x710
[00:42] <dorkmafia> that's the last thing i see
[00:45] <dorkmafia> Henning_: any ideas?
[00:46] <Henning_> hm that is iteresting
[00:46] <dorkmafia> that's right where the screen turns off
[00:46] <dorkmafia> did a slow mo video
[00:46] <dorkmafia> lol
[00:46] <Henning_> microcode is usually config stuff for the cpu that can get updated, if that is not right this could happen
[00:47] <hwpplayer1> which jabber server do we use ?
[00:47] <Henning_> amd disabled their tlb when it was faulty on the first phenoms for example
[00:50] <dorkmafia> hm
[00:50] <dorkmafia> maybe I should try reseating the cpu?
[00:50] <dorkmafia> there are two cpus
[00:50] <Henning_> i have not found a way to disable the µcode update :(
[00:50] <dorkmafia> even with hyper threading how is that 20 cores?
[00:50] <dorkmafia> it should only be 16 right/
[00:51] <dorkmafia> why does it go past 0-15
[00:51] <Henning_> hm i personally would look into rebuilding the iso without the microcode package and try this. but this is complicated (but documented)
[00:53] <dorkmafia> ok more info
[00:53] <Henning_> good question, stopping with cpu 20 (it should start a 0) is a weird number
[00:54] <dorkmafia> bios edd facility v0.16 2004-jun-25, 0 devices found
[00:55] <hwpplayer1> cat /proc/version_signature
[00:55] <dorkmafia> edd information not available
[00:57] <dorkmafia> mce : hardware error machine check events
[00:57] <inra> hello everyone, I created a live dvd with brasero, and the dvd creation took ages with the progress bar being very slow. I thought the dvd might be corrupted, so I ended the process. but the dvd booted seemingly successfully to desktop, showing disk-install link. can I safely assume that the dvd is properly created and the OS is healthy?
[00:57] <dorkmafia> I only got the cpu errors with all_generic_ide set
[00:58] <Henning_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/124334/cant-boot-edd-information-not-available here it says it worked with a pmu (i suspect power management unit?) reset
[00:59] <xubuntu_> alguien en espa;ol
[00:59] <Henning_> so maybe removing the power cord and bios battery would help? no idea, this is just me poking in the dark (if thats a saying in english)
[00:59] <dorkmafia> shooting in the dark
[00:59] <xubuntu_> ayuda
[01:01] <dorkmafia> Henning_: maybe a bios setting in power management?
[01:01] <dorkmafia> there is a runtime power setting
[01:01] <Henning_> it sounds like its worth a try
[01:02] <inra> a live dvd creation process stopped for being very, unusually slow, but the dvd boots and installs. should I assume all is ok?
[01:04] <dorkmafia> Henning_: acpi.power_nocheck=1 OR acpi_osi=Linux
[01:04] <dorkmafia> what about that?
[01:05] <dorkmafia> the power csetting didn't work
[01:05] <Henning_> haven't heard of them, looking them up
[01:06] <dorkmafia> what's the nomodeset do?
[01:06] <dorkmafia> i don't see that in the boot options
[01:06] <Henning_> acpi.power_nocheck=1 sounds a little bit more promising to me, i would try that first
[01:07] <dorkmafia> Henning_: I don't think the options are even working though
[01:07] <Henning_> but it doesn't sound like that would solve it. but i'd let it surprise me, wouldn't be the first time something weird would fix things.
[01:08] <dorkmafia> because I see all the pci stuff spitting out
[01:08] <dorkmafia> in the console
[01:08] <dorkmafia> even with noapic
[01:09] <Henning_> they should work on every kernel version afaik. maybe pnpbios=off is worth a try
[01:12] <dorkmafia> you mean apci=off?
[01:12] <dorkmafia> what's pnpbios?
[01:12] <Henning_> all these kernel command lines are ancient to my knowledge.
[01:13] <Henning_> pnpbios does the same as deactivating pnp os in the bios
[01:13] <Henning_> as far as i understand
[01:13] <dorkmafia> just reboots still :(
[01:14] <dorkmafia> is there a way to have the screen not turn off so fast??
[01:14] <dorkmafia> lol
[01:14] <dorkmafia> if i could get the error message better
[01:16] <dorkmafia> after doing this several time it starts saying 929-Fatal MCA error HA error detected CPU 1 DIMM Slot 1 or 2
[01:18] <dorkmafia> Henning_: I was able to install 32bit ... and I am trying to install 64 bit now
[01:18] <dorkmafia> if that helps
[01:18] <Henning_> hm
[01:18] <Henning_> i dont really know a option to disable auto reboot
[01:19] <Henning_> maybe pax is the culprit
[01:20] <Henning_> wait maybe not, pax was only needed on 32 bit, so probably forget it
[01:21] <Henning_> its not even pax, the address extension stuff for 32bit i meant, but as i said not relevant afaik
[01:21] <causative> I accidentally typed cd // into console and now... pwd returns "//" however ls thinks I'm at "/"
[01:22] <causative> what is the meaning of this?
[01:22] <lucz> hey guys, I'm trying to run some upstart scripts as described here: http://botbot.readthedocs.io/en/latest/production.html but when I start the botbot-plugins service I get the following error in the syslog: "...respawning too fast, stopped"
[01:22] <causative> is there a meaning?  is it a bug?
[01:23] <causative> cd /// brings me to /, additional quantities of / also bring me to /, it's just // that brings me to //
[01:24] <tatertots> causative: press crtl+c
[01:24] <causative> well it's not actually a problem
[01:24] <causative> I can easily change to a diff directory
[01:24] <causative> it's a curiosity
[01:24] <tatertots> no it's not really a problem so...
[01:24] <wedgie> causative: if you really want your mind blown try    cd    vs  cd ""
[01:25] <causative> should I really do that or is it somehow dangerous?
[01:25] <wedgie> not dangerous.
[01:25] <wedgie> and if you're in your home directory you won't notice a difference
[01:26] <causative> peculiar
[01:26] <causative> not as strange as cd // though
[01:27] <wedgie> well // is equivilent to / so...
[01:27] <causative> but pwd treats them as distinct
[01:28] <wedgie> causative: cd "" will also mess with PWD
[01:29] <causative> I'm not seeing that
[01:29] <VulcanJedi> Ok, I have broken dependencies and Ubuntu won't boot. I'm in recovery terminal, how do I connect to my wireless network? (googled a few things. ifconfig wlan0 up gives me error: no such device; service network-manager start failed on timeout)
[01:30] <causative> can you plug a wire into it?
[01:30] <VulcanJedi> don't have one long enough
[01:30] <causative> tried moving the computer?
[01:30] <dorkmafia> Henning_: i'm thinking there has to be some dumb bios thing I need to set...
[01:32] <VulcanJedi> i'd prefer not to move the beast
[01:32] <VulcanJedi> there has to be a config/settings file somewhere with the network ID and key ready to go
[01:32] <Henning_> could be, but often oem bios have no option to change certain things, at least on dell (and ancient siemens) machines that was (/is?) the case
[01:33] <causative> VulcanJedi, try lshw -C network
[01:34] <causative> it will tell you the logical name of the wireless interface at least
[01:34] <causative> also you want iwconfig not ifconfig
[01:35] <VulcanJedi> nice, let's see how this goes
[01:35] <causative> and there's iwlist scan
[01:36] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: Ehat release ? 16.04+ try from recovery root consile ' systemctl enable NetworkManager.service ; systemctl start NetworkManager.service ' .
[01:38] <VulcanJedi> iwconfig returns "no wireless extensions" and  iwlist scan "interface doesn't support scanning"
[01:38] <causative> is it a laptop and you bumped the key that toggles wireless?
[01:39] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: yes, I'm on xenial, it says "OK Started Braille Device Support" does that mean I should be connected now?
[01:39] <VulcanJedi> causative: lol, no, it's a desktop having NVidia problems with a wlan card
[01:40] <dorkmafia> Henning_: what's systemd.unit=multi-user.target ?
[01:41] <dorkmafia> Bashing-om: I still can't boot off this Live USB stick
[01:41] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: actually, now it updated and says "Timed out waiting for [device]" followed by "Dependency failed for dev/disk/by-[truncated]" and Dependency failed for Swap
[01:43] <Henning_> dorkmafia: no clue
[01:43] <causative> VulcanJedi, if the problem is in fact the wireless card, and you need internet to fix the problem, why are you trying to use wireless to get it?
[01:43] <causative> move the computer and plug it in
[01:43] <causative> also why are you in recovery mode
[01:44] <VulcanJedi> causative: sorry, bad syntax. NVidia is causing the dependency issue. wlan card works fine as far as i know, has been, and no issues when i boot into windows
[01:45] <VulcanJedi> causative: ubuntu never makes it into gnome
[01:45] <causative> why do you need the network anyway, fix the actual problem first
[01:45] <dorkmafia> i'm so lost
[01:46] <dorkmafia> why is it so hard to boot =|
[01:46] <dorkmafia> what is Numa in bus options
[01:46] <dorkmafia> i have never heard of that one either
[01:47] <joustin> NUMA is Non-Uniform Memory Access
[01:47] <adamali> Hello
[01:47] <dorkmafia> should i disable it?
[01:48] <joustin> probably not, it relates to how the cpu accesses the ram
[01:48] <dorkmafia> well i can't boot to install ubuntu right now
[01:48] <joustin> I mean, you can, just turn it back on if it causes issues or does not correct the issue
[01:48] <dorkmafia> i'm booting off the usb
[01:48] <joustin> what happens when you boot, do you get the linux startup stuff or what?
[01:49] <dorkmafia> i have been trying with noapci
[01:49] <dorkmafia> the pc restarts during boot
[01:49] <dorkmafia> i'm trying to install ubuntu 64 bit
[01:49] <joustin> how did you setup the usb stick?
[01:50] <dorkmafia> via unetbootin
[01:50] <joustin> ack
[01:50] <VulcanJedi> Recovery is the only way I can do anything. If I boot normally, the gui drops out before I can login and I get the terminal showing a series of [  OK  ] checks, the last of which reads "Stopped NVIDIA Persistence Daemon." followed by "Stopping User Manager
[01:50] <tatertots> dorkmafia: you have to be able to successfully boot livecd or liveusb first.
[01:50] <joustin> ^^
[01:50] <kDycu> So, new dumb questions. I'm not sure if this is possible, but I'd like to think it would be. Currently I have a program that launches at startup in /etc/init.d/programname. Is there a way to also automatically stop/close it after a set period of time?
[01:50] <dorkmafia> liveusb?
[01:50] <dorkmafia> is taht where you select "install ubuntu"
[01:51] <joustin> live usb is a working install, it boots to ubuntu and gives an option to install
[01:51] <joustin> its like a trial mode
[01:51] <Speiros> NVIDIA seems to cause a stack of problems.  There must be a flaw in their company vision.
[01:52] <dorkmafia> so you want me to select "try ubuntu without installing?"
[01:52] <dorkmafia> do you want me to burn a new usb stick?
[01:52] <VulcanJedi> ...I think their company vision is 'make money off of PC gaming'
[01:52] <dorkmafia> i'll try anything at this point
[01:52] <joustin> NVIDIA is weird with their software, we have a some (a whole lot) of their hardware and it works well
[01:52] <joustin> i would create a live usb and see if it boots
[01:52] <Speiros> VulcanJedi Yes, that's true.  It seems they only want the windows clients though.
[01:53] <Speiros> joustin Okay, interesting.
[01:53] <VulcanJedi> Speiros: exactly, that's where the gamers are
[01:53] <dorkmafia> joustin: thats what this usb is...
[01:53] <Speiros> VulcanJedi Yep:)
[01:54] <tatertots> dorkmafia: have you tried booting any other linux distributions other than what you have tried unsuccessfully?
[01:54] <dorkmafia> I used unetbootin and there is an option to for LiveUsb
[01:54] <dorkmafia> tatertots: no
[01:54] <VulcanJedi> Speiros: but this gamer is tired of windows 10 and all its driver compatibility issues
[01:55] <Speiros> VulcanJedi I was sick of windows and their drivers problems, and "pay me for something that MIGHT work" mentality.
[01:55] <tatertots> dorkmafia: you should really consider doing so as a trouble shooting step, i hate to see you repeat the same things while expecting different results.
[01:55] <VulcanJedi> lol, that's accurate
[01:56] <bazhang> VulcanJedi, Speiros can we take the chat elsewhere please
[01:57] <Speiros> bazhang Sure.  I did think it was related though, as it is a genuine issue that isn't resolved on this computer.
[01:58] <dorkmafia> tatertots: i'm thinking it might be the usb i created
[01:58] <Phanes> where's a good place to get hosting for large package repositories?
[01:58] <adamalii> hi,i change permission of /home/guest/tes folder to list files only for guestx from files/nautilus, but after that all member of guestx cant list /home/guest/test subfolder
[01:59] <dorkmafia> gonna have to try again later
[01:59] <VulcanJedi> i'm getting the feeling that I can't get back into ubuntu from where I am... if I try to use recovery mode's tools to enable networking and repair broken packages, it can't connect to repository, and aborts
[01:59] <adamalii> how to this recursively?
[01:59] <bazhang> adamalii, what version of ubuntu
[02:09] <Mlpfan9930> Hello.. I am wondering would y'all be able to help me restore the windows boot loader if i have a change of heart in the next year? I'm on Ubuntu mate :)
[02:09] <Mlpfan9930> my computer is UEFI based.
[02:11] <tatertots> sure if you have a problem within the next year let us know
[02:11] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: Can you boot the install to the login screen and ctl+alt+F1 to activate a console interface ?
[02:11] <Mlpfan9930> Ubuntu mate is so awesome.<333
[02:12] <Mlpfan9930> its the ubuntu i remember from up to 2010.
[02:13] <bratchley> when configuring static networking in /etc/network/interfaces is the order of "post-up" directives preserved?
[02:13] <rizonz> are there issues with the PXE boot ISO? it fails on Select and INstall Software
[02:13] <bratchley> meaniing will it always do the first one listed then the second, etc, etc
[02:17] <nacc> bratchley: "in which case the commands are executed in the order  in  which they  appear  in  the stanza." per `man interfaces`
[02:20] <bratchley> nacc: ty
[02:22] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: I can't get to the login screen, gui fails to load after startup splash, so it might be NVidia issue, or it might be gnome-shell is broken (though it was working last successful boot)
[02:23] <VulcanJedi> Last change I remember making was in NVidia x server to get my second monitor resolution set correctly
[02:28] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: Maybe, but I tend to think at the login screen the GUI driver is not loaded at that time .
[02:29] <VulcanJedi> Maybe it doesn't load the DE yet, but it loads x for the login gui
[02:29] <VulcanJedi> right?
[02:29] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: Another thought is to boot a terminal from grub boot menu . See what we can find out from there ?
[02:30] <joustin> start in terminal and once logged in start x and see if it crashes, you may need to clear you xorg config
[02:30] <joustin> it may be crapping out from a setting
[02:31] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: My experience with minimal installs , one has a terminal even before X is installed, no ?
[02:31] <joustin> yeah
[02:32] <joustin> x isn't needed for much
[02:32] <VulcanJedi> is there a keyboard shortcut for terminal if login screen doesn't load?
[02:32] <wafflejock> VulcanJedi, can try switching to a tty with ctrl+alt+f1
[02:33] <VulcanJedi> i'm in grub terminal now...
[02:33] <joustin> logged in?
[02:34] <VulcanJedi> no, this is new territory for me now
[02:34] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: What release are we working with ? = systemd or upstart ?
[02:35] <VulcanJedi> I can find a guide somewhere... 16.04 and upstart showed up next to recovery mode
[02:38] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: Terminal: in grub 'e' key for edit mode - next screen the line starting with linux - replace quiet splash and all after with the term systemd.unit=multi-user.target . ctl+x to continue to TTY1 .
[02:41] <Colombo1> hey
[02:41] <Colombo1> I looked at some installed stuff and for some reason I have Nvidia X server setting
[02:41] <VulcanJedi> I actually don't see a line starting with Linux followed by quiet splash
[02:42] <Colombo1> the thing is, I have AMD, anyone knows what is going on and what this thing is?
[02:42] <tatertots> Colombo1: open terminal
[02:43] <newcoder> Is there any problem if I remove sudo and use the root?
[02:44] <ikonia> newcoder: why would you do that ?
[02:44] <newcoder> I want to use root instead of sudo command
[02:44] <ikonia> right, so just type "sudo -i"
[02:44] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: Sorry . with a ubuntu kernel highlighted . press the 'e' key in the grub boot menu .
[02:44] <newcoder> ikonia: -i for what?
[02:45] <ikonia> newcoder: a root shell
[02:45] <Colombo1> tatertots: open terminal?
[02:45] <tatertots> Colombo1: while you're looking at installed stuff install inxi, it's in the main ubuntu repositories making it easy to find, and easy to install using your favorite installation method. let me know once you have it installed. take care
[02:47] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: oh, whoops, I had advanced options highlighted, now let's see... now i found it
[02:47] <Colombo1> tatertots: ok, thanks, but what about the Nvidia thing?
[02:48] <tatertots> Colombo1: yeah, don't have the patience that i used to so follow accurately
[02:48] <tatertots> Colombo1: in terminal>  apt list --installed|grep nvid|nc termbin.com 9999
[02:49] <tatertots> Colombo1: press enter
[02:49] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: are those spaces between .target . ctl+x?
[02:49] <tatertots> Colombo1: share url/link here
[02:50] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: No spaces in the term " systemd.unit=multi-user.target " once you have made the edit .. it is key combo ctl+x to do it .
[02:50] <Colombo1> http://termbin.com/k554
[02:50] <Colombo1> the "instalovaný, automaticky" is installed automatically
[02:51] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: perfect, got it
[02:51] <Colombo1> why the hell I got nvidia-367 drivers?
[02:51] <tatertots> Colombo1: sudo apt install inxi
[02:51] <tatertots> Colombo1: press enter
[02:51] <Colombo1> got that already
[02:51] <tatertots> Colombo1: in terminal>  inxi -Fxxrzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[02:51] <tatertots> Colombo1: press enter
[02:52] <tatertots> Colombo1: share url/link here
[02:52] <Colombo1> http://termbin.com/x94x
[02:54] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: So now you have a terminal, with only minimal abilities , most servixes from here you must enable , presently though you wnat to look at the X status . That log is /var/log/Xorg.0.log .
[02:54] <Colombo1> you want to check if I am not spealing my ass and I have nvidia?
[02:54] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: apt upgrade is finally working
[02:54] <tatertots> Colombo1: lol
[02:54] <Colombo1> tatertots: I guess that you wanted to check that:)
[02:54] <tatertots> Colombo1: in terminal> ubuntu-drivers list|nc termbin.com 9999
[02:55] <tatertots> Colombo1: press enter
[02:55] <tatertots> Colombo1: share url/link here
[02:55] <VulcanJedi> any other commands i should run to make sure everything's in order before starting x?
[02:55] <Colombo1> http://termbin.com/wcht
[02:55] <Colombo1> I think that my system is confused:(
[02:55] <Colombo1> and why the hell is this pidgin all pink?
[02:55] <tatertots> Colombo1: I didn't see any nvidia hardware in your computer so i'm rather curious why you installed nvidia drivers.
[02:55] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: Doughtful, unless you have enabled and started networking services some how . I think I think .
[02:56] <Colombo1> tatertots: I didn. It was installed automatically
[02:56] <tatertots> Colombo1: unless you previously swapped out a nvidia card
[02:56] <Colombo1> I had FRGLEX or how it is spelled
[02:56] <Colombo1> frglxd
[02:56] <Colombo1> flrx
[02:56] <Colombo1> whatever
[02:56] <Colombo1> and now I run on mesa, padoka ppa
[02:57] <Colombo1> I literally build my computer with my own hands (I mean, assemble). Installed ubuntu from scratch (14.04 I think), I never had nvidia card.
[02:57] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: Testing networking : ' ping -c3 ubuntu.com ' .
[02:57] <tatertots> Colombo1: well no reason to keep those nvidia software installed on your computer then, since you have no nvidia hardware
[02:57] <Colombo1> exactly
[02:58] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: it was able to process Get for required packages
[02:58] <Colombo1> tatertots: that was my question, what the hell does this do on my computer and where did it came from?
[02:58] <VulcanJedi> 3/3 0% packet loss 2002ms
[02:59] <VulcanJedi> I didn't start network services, they just started up with ubuntu
[02:59] <tatertots> Colombo1: in terminal> cat /var/log/apt/term.log|nc termbin.com 9999
[03:00] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: As I live and learn . Things have changed since last I booted to terminal :) .. ok ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo apt -f install ; sudo dpkg -C ' . all runs clean ?
[03:00] <tatertots> Colombo1: press enter
[03:00] <tatertots> Colombo1: share url/link here
[03:01] <sausi> rls
[03:02] <Colombo1> http://termbin.com/o6se
[03:02] <VulcanJedi> i need to put that string of text on a sticky note
[03:03] <tatertots> Colombo1: in terminal> env|nc termbin.com 9999
[03:03] <tatertots> Colombo1: press enter
[03:03] <tatertots> Colombo1: share url/link here
[03:04] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: clean except one package that is upgradable, greybird-gtk-theme, don't worry about it?
[03:04] <Colombo1> http://termbin.com/dwr2
[03:05] <tatertots> Colombo1: you must have installed nvidia drivers by mistake in the past, that was your original problem statement when you entered chat, "why do i have nvidia installed", you do have it installed, they can be safely removed since you have no nvidia hardware
[03:05] <snufft> can anyone tell me if there's a way to search for a directory tree pattern from the terminal? I'm googling, but I don't think I know the right terminology. I need to find instances of "view/base/web/templates/"
[03:06] <Colombo1> tatertots: the only thing I might have done is update, upgrade and maybe something like dist-upgrade or install -f
[03:06] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: Like you, O can not seee the thene as an issue . up to you . Wnat to insure - from here - that the nvidia driver is installed ?
[03:06] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: driver should be installed, but i suppose that wouldn't hurt to check
[03:07] <Colombo1> ah I know
[03:07] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: i think we see if I can start the gui
[03:07] <Colombo1> I once tried to install some VLC (because it is for some reason broken now) from some PPA, but it started to install a lot of other stuff as well
[03:07] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: Only a peek ' sudo lshw -C display ' .
[03:09] <tatertots> Colombo1: here is a list of all the nvidia related packages you have installed that can be safely removed since you have no nvidia hardware http://termbin.com/k554
[03:09] <Colombo1> tatertots: thanks by the way
[03:09] <tatertots> Colombo1: no problem
[03:09] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: looks good, info listed makes sense
[03:09] <Colombo1> tatertots: yeah, I already purged it
[03:10] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: Anything interesting in the log file in your home directory " .xsession-errors " ?
[03:11] <tatertots> Colombo1: you know you might actually qualify for this http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx
[03:12] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: how do I open a log like that in command line?
[03:12] <tatertots> Colombo1: i mean you do have a Tonga PRO [Radeon R9 285/380]
[03:12] <tatertots> Colombo1: just saying
[03:13] <tatertots> Colombo1: if you stuff is working fine and you're cool with it by all means keep it as is.
[03:13] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: No larger than the file is one can ' cat ' it .
[03:14] <Colombo1> tatertots: I tried it once, because mesa does not have the thing for sound, so I can't use my screen with reproductors to play sound through that HDMI cable.
[03:14] <Colombo1> However, when I tried to install pro, it broke even more
[03:14] <Bashing-om> Colombo1: Maybe see the list :http://theleftcoastgeek.net/index.php/general-interest/11-amd-gpu-support-with-amdgpu-and-amdgpu-pro .
[03:15] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: cat brought up a short list of upstart errors, presumably from before i got into command line boot
[03:16] <tatertots> Colombo1: wonder if you had nvidia installed the entire time you were trying amdgpu-pro?
[03:16] <tatertots> Colombo1: just saying
[03:16] <Colombo1> hmm, maybe
[03:17] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: Not good as that is the current boot file . Maybe paste it and I see what I can make of it ? prior boot is " .xsession-errors.old " .
[03:18] <loganlee> hey guys my computer gets really slow until i restart the computer
[03:18] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: oh my, not sure if I can paste it... guess i'll have to manually input on ubuntu paste bin?
[03:18] <Speiros> Hi loganlee.  What do you think is causing it?  I mean, do you have any suspicions of your own?
[03:19] <loganlee> Speiros, i tried katoolin script
[03:19] <loganlee> for installing kali linux tools
[03:19] <loganlee> after that my computer gets slow until i restart the computer
[03:19] <loganlee> katoolin script didn't work for me
[03:19] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: Nawww, try as ' cat .xsession-errors | nc termbin.com 9999 '.
[03:19] <ikonia> loganlee: thats going to cause you problems
[03:21] <loganlee> after restarting computer it is back to normal again
[03:21] <loganlee> or maybe because i use onenote using crossover
[03:22] <EldonMcGuinness> loganlee: Does this start after using any particular app?
[03:22] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: you are truly the bash master. http://termbin.com/zqxm
[03:22] <loganlee> EldonMcGuinness, im not sure i wish i knew
[03:23] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: and the .old one http://termbin.com/d2ly
[03:23] <EldonMcGuinness> I would try to just login and let it sit, see if that slows it down. If not then it is definitely some app you're using that is causing the slowdown.
[03:24] <loganlee> EldonMcGuinness, ok ill let it sit for several hours
[03:24] <loganlee> then maybe run system monitor
[03:24] <EldonMcGuinness> You could also check the system monitor/htop to see if there is an app that is eating up ram/cpu
[03:24] <EldonMcGuinness> yup
[03:24] <loganlee> yep
[03:25] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: reading I be a while away .
[03:27] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: the .old is loooooong
[03:30] <samthewildone> having trouble with wifi on 16.04
[03:30] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: What little I seen of the old log scares the pants off me ! All those modified files and  - inodes ! - . run a file system check ?
[03:30] <samthewildone> I'm testing out ubuntu on my laptop and it picks up the wifi card and everything but just will not connect to a router.
[03:31] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: i didn't know what to make of those... will do, hold on
[03:33] <loganlee> maybe i was hacked?
[03:34] <cfhowlett> always a possibility loganlee
[03:34] <loganlee> restarting made it back to normal
[03:35] <EldonMcGuinness> I doubt it
[03:35] <EldonMcGuinness> It would have likely started back up once you started the computer back up
[03:36] <Speiros> loganlee That's good news.  At least now you can identify the source of what might be causing it, when it happens.
[03:37] <waltman> I posted a problem to Ubuntu forums yesterday, and I believe I figured out the solution. I replied with my solution, but I don't see any way to mark it as "solved". Am I missing somehing?
[03:37] <EldonMcGuinness> I would just keep system monitor / htop open so you can see what the issue is when it creeps up.
[03:37] <loganlee> ok ill do that now
[03:38] <waltman> I put "[SOLVED]" in the subject line of my reply, but that doesn't seem to be the right way to do it.
[03:38] <Bashing-om> waltman: 1st post - thread tools, in the drop down .
[03:39] <waltman> Bashing-om: Thanks! I knew it had to be something simple!
[03:40] <Bashing-om> waltman: Just not so intuitive :)
[03:42] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: fsck reported back clean
[03:43] <loganlee> i guess if it gets slow again i will just restart the computer
[03:44] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: Well ,, all I know to do is reboot - see what happens and take it from there .
[03:46] <loganlee> im thinking some kind of memory leak
[03:48] <Speiros> loganlee does it happen offline as well as online?
[03:48] <loganlee> Speiros, my computer is always online
[03:49] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: i need to clear my xorg config
[03:49] <EldonMcGuinness> htop, the best way to see what's up
[03:49] <EldonMcGuinness> :D
[03:50] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: That raises another question . hybred graphics ? Or is there some other reason you are using a depreciated means ?
[03:57] <Guest24923> exit
[03:58] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: no, i just have a GT 740, haven't gotten its twin to sli yet, but I have a dual monitor setup. xorg config file got modified a couple times while i was trying different suggestions to add the missing resolution for my second monitor @ 1280x1024
[04:01] <loganlee> i think i know why my computer got slow
[04:01] <loganlee> i kept running command unity to reload unity
[04:01] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: this install started with ubuntu studio, but I don't care for xfce, so I installed kde, and seeing I could try different DE's side by side, installed Plasma and Gnome-Shell as well. So, somewhere in the jumble of all that something got buggered
[04:01] <loganlee> after my screen broke after running windows game using wine
[04:03] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: 375 version driver > http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/112992/en-us ?
[04:06] <akkad> is this the Ubuntu founder who killed himself? https://www.linkedin.com/in/tongueroo
[04:06] <Speiros> akkad Even if it was, what are you looking for?
[04:07] <Speiros> akkad Did you try google?
[04:11] <loganlee> is linux hard to hack? (i have zero knowledge about hacking)
[04:11] <ignacio> why would you hack linux?
[04:11] <chesty> hi, how can I install firefox 32 bit alongside firefox 64 bit. I thought maybe a snap would be the way to go, but I can't work out if there's a firefox snap yet. there is talk of making one
[04:12] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: http://termbin.com/q3r5 367 is the driver available through software and updates, I believe
[04:12] <xangua> chesty: you can download Firefox 32/64 bit from Firefox.com, extract and run
[04:12] <loganlee> ignacio, because my computer got slow :(
[04:12] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: I haven't tried messing with installing the latest driver available on the website
[04:12] <ignacio> loganlee, huh?
[04:13] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: well I would expect the 367 to work .
[04:13] <loganlee> nvm
[04:13] <VulcanJedi> loganlee: Linux outperforms both windows and mac in security performance
[04:14] <wafflejock> loganlee, are you familiar with the terminal? you can use a few programs there to see what is using system resources and why things are running slow if there's some runaway process
[04:14] <Phanes> lol@whatever "security performance" means
[04:14] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: Installing from OEM is the means of last resort . a job to keep that driver then maintained ,
[04:14] <loganlee> wafflejock, i think it is because i repeatedly ran unity command
[04:14] <loganlee> not because i got hacked
[04:14] <VulcanJedi> Bashing-om: right, it worked before
[04:14] <Phanes> how many vectors per minute does OSX defend? lol
[04:14] <Phanes> sorry, ill stop
[04:15] <VulcanJedi> Phanes: leave me alone, my brain is addled from hours of troubleshooting my install
[04:15] <wafflejock> loganlee, ah yeah if it's just temporary and a reboot fixes it wouldn't worry too much, can use top, iotop, htop, free -h, to get an idea of what's going on
[04:15] <Phanes> VulcanJedi, what's your issue exactly?  I did not catch it
[04:15] <loganlee> wafflejock, ty
[04:15] <wafflejock> loganlee, lsof can be helpful sometimes too for seeing what processes are accessing what files but the top/htop will show cpu usage and free will show memory consumption overall
[04:16] <wafflejock> no prob
[04:16] <Bashing-om> VulcanJedi: Keep in mind : https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa our trusted PPA .
[04:17] <chesty> xangua: yeah, thanks, I can, but it doesn't update itself if I do it that way.
[04:17] <ironhide000> hey all, im having problems with ubuntu, i have a nvidia gtx 1070 strix graphics  card and of course the on board graphics, when i put the hdmi cable to on board graphic cards it works fine but when i plug the hdmi to the nvidia ( which i installed the drivers nvidia 367.5 i think) i get to my luks screen to decrypt my disk but it wont let me type
[04:17] <ironhide000> or anything but on the on board it does do i have to blacklist my on board card?
[04:17] <VulcanJedi> Phanes: I cannot boot into Linux except via command line. This happened after installing gnome-shell and plasma, and finally getting NVidia x server to set the correct resolution for my 2nd monitor, which was missing from display settings
[04:17] <xangua> chesty: yes it does
[04:18] <chesty> xangua: really? ok, so I install it in $HOME then?
[04:18] <Phanes> VulcanJedi, you may want to explore having a manually configured Xorg.conf
[04:18] <xangua> chesty: I just extract it and run it, but you haven't really tell why you need both 32 and 64 bit
[04:18] <xangua> In my home*
[04:19] <VulcanJedi> Phanes: With help from Bashing-om, I've gotten as far as fixing dependencies. . . Can I manually edit xorg.config in terminal?
[04:19] <chesty> xangua: webex
[04:23] <loganlee> http://pastebin.com/a0cizJ60
[04:24] <kapa> Hello guys! Is it possible to setup keyboard in the next way: If numlock is not enabled I want to type numbers instead of cursor moving by pressing <FN> + <u> (or any other "Numpad key")
[04:24] <loganlee> ;)
[04:24] <kapa> I have keyboard similar to this one: http://shop.blackcatpc.co.uk/ekmps/shops/blackcatpc/images/dell-latitude-d620-d820-d830-precision-m65-keyboard-p-n-uc162-162-p.jpg
[04:25] <loganlee> ?
[04:25] <kapa> when numlock is switched off you have cursors buttons instead of numbers on keypad
[04:26] <kapa> I want to keep it typing numbers
[04:26] <loganlee> kapa, just turn numlock off
[04:26] <loganlee> kapa, just turn numlock on
[04:26] <wafflejock> kapa, does the numlock button not work?
[04:28] <kapa> if it's turned on I will get numbers instead of letters by just hitting <u> letter (for example)
[04:28] <kbob> kapa maybe try numlockx
[04:28]  * loganlee is confused
[04:28] <kapa> i want to type number by pressing <FN> + <u> despite of numlock status
[04:29] <kbob> ahhh ok
[04:30] <kapa> sorry for confusing
[04:30] <kbob> numlock is a modifier key , check it with xmodmap
[04:31] <kapa> hmm, indeed, it should be possible to redefine those shortcuts
[04:32] <kapa> thank you!
[04:32] <kbob> normally is mod2        Num_Lock (0x4d), anyway google for xmodmap docs
[04:32] <kapa> yes, for me it's the same
[04:32] <kapa> mod2        Num_Lock (0x4d)
[04:32] <kbob> ubuntu or arch have good docs about that
[04:33] <kapa> Yes, now I know how can it be resolved. Thank you!
[04:34] <MichaelP> xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu ... libdrm-amdgpu1 .. is installed in 16.04 kernel 4.9.3.. dmesg | grep -i AMDGPU shows nothing
[04:35] <kapa> do you have xorg.conf ? check it, it could be in blacklist modules
[04:36] <tatertots> MichaelP: install inxi, it's in the official ubuntu repositories so it can be found easily, and installed using your favorite installation method.
[04:36] <tatertots> MichaelP: i don't have as much patience as i used to, so just let me know once you have it installed.
[04:37] <MichaelP> tatertots: ok
[04:38] <kapa> glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[04:39] <Joral> I have a computer running 16.04 with an A8-6500 apu.  I am attempting to build a project that uses opencl.  clinfo shows the devices as being configured but the project does not recognize the opencl device.  is this a problem with the project, or is it possible that opencl is not working with the radeon driver
[04:39] <MichaelP> tatertots: installed
[04:39] <tatertots> MichaelP: open terminal> inxi -Fxxrzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[04:40] <tatertots> MichaelP: press enter
[04:40] <tatertots> MichaelP: share url/link here...the link does not contain any information unique to your person so don't worry
[04:41] <tatertots> Joral: this is what AMD gpu owners can expect moving forward https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/
[04:41] <kapa> MichaelP: inxi -G
[04:41] <MichaelP> tatertots: http://termbin.com/paft
[04:42] <tatertots> MichaelP: ok run that one more time
[04:42] <tatertots> MichaelP: open terminal> inxi -Fxxrzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[04:42] <tatertots> MichaelP: press enter
[04:42] <tatertots> MichaelP: share url/link here...the link does not contain any information unique to your person so don't worry
[04:42] <Joral> tatertots: it says opencl is work in progress for my card, and if I am reading this correctly will we not ever get access to the amdgpu driver stack for a S. Island card?
[04:43] <MichaelP> kapa: https://bpaste.net/show/5463666578c0
[04:43] <MichaelP> tatertots: http://termbin.com/37ag
[04:44] <kapa> Yes, it looks ok, why are you checking that ? Do you have any issues with system ?
[04:45] <tatertots> MichaelP: your card [AMD/ATI] Kabini [Radeon HD 8210] does NOT use amdgpu/amdgpu-pro
[04:45] <MichaelP> dmesg | grep -i AMDGPU ... should show something like [   30.443160] [drm] amdgpu kernel modesetting enabled..... but it showing nothing
[04:45] <tatertots> MichaelP: driver: radeon
[04:46] <tatertots> MichaelP: open terminal> dmesg|nc termbin.com 9999
[04:46] <MichaelP> tatertots: i can run amdgpu just fine in Opensuse.. solus
[04:47] <MichaelP> http://termbin.com/z793
[04:47] <tatertots> MichaelP: are you talking about the new amd proprietary amdgpu-pro driver?.........http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx
[04:48] <Joral> MichaelP: amdgpu is in beta for the earlier S. Islands series cards, another distro may have the beta kernel options enabled but ubuntu does not currently.
[04:48] <tatertots> MichaelP: your hardware isn't even supported by it if so. as you can see here http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx
[04:50] <MichaelP> no just the standard xf86-video-amdgpu version
[04:51] <tatertots> MichaelP: [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled.
[04:52] <tatertots> MichaelP: well there's no doubt about what you're running right now in ubuntu, and what you CAN run right now in ubuntu
[04:53] <MichaelP> no big deal right now... i'll just wait till OpenSuse learns how to get the 4.9 kernel right
[04:54] <loganlee> is linux being left behind? doe the latest linux support microsoft surface products?
[04:54] <MichaelP> I can run 4.9 kernel in ubuntu... But opensuse reboots over and over... unless you use acpi=off
[04:54] <tatertots> Joral: what card do you have?
[04:54] <loganlee> (i'm linux supporter)
[04:55] <Joral> tatertots: I know its an 8500 series but I do not remember the exact number off the top of my head
[04:55] <tatertots> Joral: oh ok, install inxi, its in ubuntu official repositories, making it easy to find and install using your favorite installation method.
[04:56] <Speiros> loganlee The motives of linux and microsoft are as far as east and west, except for their common core.
[04:56] <Joral> tatertots, done
[04:57] <tatertots> Joral: open terminal>  inxi -Fxxrzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[04:57] <tatertots> Joral: press enter
[04:57] <tatertots> Joral:  share url/link here...the link does not contain any information unique to your person so don't worry
[04:57] <MichaelP> Linux = freedom .. MicroSoft = do what we say
[04:57] <Joral> tatertots: http://termbin.com/pijr
[04:58] <lasersaber> tatertots, are you the same tatertots in #linuxmint-help on spotchat?
[04:59] <tatertots> lasersaber: yes
[05:00] <lasersaber> tatertots, i remember you from when i use to go there when i used mint.
[05:00] <tatertots> Joral: your only hope for opencl is  going back to ubuntu 14.x and using fglrx and getting by until the year 2019. Or get a newer amd gpu
[05:00] <Joral> tatertots: was support for 14.04 extended until then?
[05:01] <tatertots> Joral: LTS= 5 years
[05:01] <CrazyTux> hello, I installed Xubuntu 16.04.1 lts yesterday, on my new laptop.
[05:01] <CrazyTux> Can I install other DEs available now on this installation?
[05:02] <Joral> tatertots: i realize that and i thought that it released in 2012 or 2013 which would mean out of support before a new option came along
[05:02] <CrazyTux> like Unity, Mate, Lxde etc.
[05:02] <CrazyTux> Which are the officially recognized and compatible DEs?
[05:03] <loganlee> can we take snapshot image of my ubuntu system and install is preconfigured on another machine?
[05:03] <Joral> and if opencl support doesn't exist in radeon, how do I have clinfo reporting a working configuration?
[05:03] <Speiros> Unity is the one that comes out on Ubuntu now...but that's all I know, apart from that GNOME was the older one.
[05:03] <Speiros> CrazyTux ^^
[05:03] <lasersaber> i'm surprised inxo doesn't come installed in ubuntu
[05:03] <lasersaber> inxi*
[05:03] <tatertots> Joral: fglrx might show you some opencl love but as far as https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/ don't hold your breath
[05:04] <CrazyTux> Does installing Unity or Gnome DE on Xubuntu 16.04.1 cause any problems or inconsistencies in performance?
[05:04] <lasersaber> CrazyTux, don't think so
[05:05] <tatertots> Joral: doesn't https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/ show it as "in progress" meaning depending on chip it might work/ it might not aka YMMV
[05:05] <CrazyTux> I want to install all the DEs like Unity, Gnome, Mate and Lxde on top of this Xubuntu, so that I can try all.
[05:05] <android> hollo
[05:05] <Joral> tatertots: so given that fglrx support was discontinued by AMD and that my card supports amdgpu beta its sounding to me like I would be better off on another distribution
[05:06] <lasersaber> CrazyTux, you can install all of those DE and see which one works best for you
[05:06] <CrazyTux> lasersaber, great. I'll try it.
[05:07] <lasersaber> CrazyTux, np
[05:07] <CrazyTux> thanks a lot.
[05:09] <CrazyTux> yesterday, when I tried to boot from live usb of Xubuntu 16.10, I couldn't do it, despite creating the live usb three or four times. I created the live usb of 16.04.1 and I could boot from it and install it on my HDD. What could be the problem?
[05:09] <Joral> tatertots: unless there is a way that I could make the kernel config changes and automate the build of new kernels to keep my system up to date.  That would enable me to use the beta version of the new driver now.
[05:09] <CrazyTux> I wanted to install 16.10.
[05:10] <tatertots> Joral: you could try to install the amdgpu driver, but i wouldn't be surprised if you have instability issues as a result.
[05:11] <tatertots> Joral: amdgpu driver is in the ubuntu repositories so it would be easy to install
[05:11] <loganlee> hmmmm
[05:11] <Joral> tatertots: I would like to, but that requires building my own kernel (which I am happy to do).  What I don't know is how to automate the building of custom kernels so that I can have the new kernels as they are released while keeping the custom config persistent.
[05:12] <Joral> tatertots: the kernel mod is in the repo, but the beta hooks for my card are not in the vanilla kernel
[05:13] <tatertots> Joral: ah i see
[05:13] <Joral> tatertots, is there a way to automate that build every update?
[05:15] <lasersaber> CrazyTux, could be a hardware capability issue, could be a number of things. using the latest version of ubuntu isn't always good thing. if it works stay on 16.04.1.
[05:15]  * pjamma waves
[05:16] <HP_> sleepy sleepy
[05:16] <pjamma> is there a fraps alternative on ubuntu?
[05:16] <HP_> heillo tereee
[05:16] <lasersaber> fraps?
[05:16] <HP_> eat your frapppicinno
[05:16] <HP_> slut monster
[05:16] <pjamma> for recording game play
[05:16] <HP_> oh well deactivated
[05:16] <HP_> Useless!
[05:17] <HP_> L0L>...
[05:17] <HP_> slither in your rithe
[05:17] <HP_> mukk in your red sap
[05:17] <CrazyTux> lasersaber, I have the pendrives of other distros like MX 16, LXLE etc. I tried booting from them, and didn't encounter any such problem. But, this live usb of Xubuntu 16.10 didn't get detected at boot up. I didn't have this problem with live usb of 16.04.1, though. I have a brand new laptop of Asus X Series.
[05:17] <lasersaber> pjamma, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN9N7BlxwgU
[05:18] <dax> HP_: hi, welcome to #ubuntu, the technical support channel for Ubuntu Linux. Is there something we can help you with this evening?
[05:18] <pjamma> ty laser
[05:18] <pjamma> lasersaber ty
[05:19] <HP_> lol, rithe and scream
[05:19] <elky> HP_: enough wordplay thanks
[05:19] <lasersaber> CrazyTux, i see. someone might be able to help you in here.
[05:19] <lasersaber> pjamma, no problem
[05:20] <HP_> not what i was playing with
[05:20] <HP_> fuckerhead
[05:20] <CrazyTux> I did chat on this channel and did seek help yesterday.
[05:21] <CrazyTux> on this issue.
[05:21] <lasersaber> CrazyTux, hang in there :)
[05:22] <Joral> so reading the kernel disclaimer page I'm even less sure how to proceed.  If I am reading this correctly building a custom kernel removes the possibility of getting support with an issue, yet I can't get my issue resolved without building a custom kernel.
[05:22] <CrazyTux> lasersaber, ok. Anyway, I have installed Xubuntu 16.04.1 on HDD and set it up completely now. But, was just curious to know the cause of that problem.
[05:23] <tatertots> Joral: those hooks you spoke of were beta anyway, you would have been running a not officially supported setup no matter what
[05:23] <VulcanJedi> how do i open a file for editing in terminal?
[05:24] <himcesjf> VulcanJedi: vi <file_name>
[05:24] <himcesjf> VulcanJedi: nano <file_name>
[05:25] <Joral> tatertots, then what options do I have to get opencl functioning on 16.04?
[05:26] <tatertots> Joral: purchase a supported gpu as per https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/  or purchase a supported gpu as per http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx
[05:26] <Joral> http://termbin.com/x5g9
[05:27] <Joral> tatertots, ^^
[05:28] <alamak> Hi
[05:29] <Speiros> Hi alamak
[05:29] <alamak> Hi Speiros
[05:30] <pjamma> how do i make my laptop faster
[05:30] <pjamma> sofftware
[05:30] <pjamma> using software
[05:30] <pjamma> besides bleach bit
[05:31] <lasersaber> pjamma, use a lightweight DE. what DE are you on?
[05:31] <pjamma> regular ubuntu
[05:31] <pjamma> its been buggy too
[05:32] <pjamma> ubuntu 16.04 lts
[05:32] <pjamma> im using it for steam though
[05:32] <lasersaber> pjamma, lubuntu is super lightweight, also xubuntu is light as well.
[05:32] <tatertots> Joral: yes did you see the OpenCL list https://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/GalliumCompute/
[05:32] <pjamma> how would lubuntu and xubuntu run steam
[05:32] <pjamma> it was such a 5 letter word getting it installed on ubuntu
[05:33] <tatertots> Joral: they just still have some work to do
[05:33] <loganlee> eval $( echo l- sl | rev )
[05:33] <loganlee> lawl
[05:33] <lasersaber> pjamma, just install the lxde or xfce DE on your current ubuntu system
[05:34] <Joral> tatertots, so how would we identify if the issue is a driver problem so that I can file a bug report if necessary to help the development process, or if it is some other system configuration that could be getting in the way?
[05:34] <pjamma> whats lxde / xfce
[05:34] <pjamma> does that mean i have to reformat
[05:34] <pjamma> you mean lubuntu and xubuntu
[05:35] <pjamma> where da lxde / xfce download linkz
[05:35] <loganlee> eval $( echo l- sl | rev )
[05:35] <lasersaber> pjamma, no need to format, just install it in your current system. they are desktop environments
[05:35] <xangua> !info lubuntu-core
[05:36] <pjamma> oh ok
[05:36] <xangua> !info xubuntu-core
[05:36] <tatertots> Joral: first you'd need to prove there is a reproducible issue that isn't described in https://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/GalliumCompute/
[05:36] <pjamma> whic h one is more stable
[05:37] <pjamma> and was teh command to install it
[05:37] <loganlee> hmmmmm
[05:37] <Joral> tatertots, but I haven't even identified the issue yet to know if its reproducible
[05:37] <lasersaber> pjamma, http://www.howtogeek.com/193129/how-to-install-and-use-another-desktop-environment-on-linux/
[05:38] <pjamma> ty
[05:38] <lasersaber> pjamma, i would try out xfce and lxde
[05:38] <tatertots> Joral: you'll have to proceed with your opencl workload and testing being cognizant of https://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/GalliumCompute/ and taking notes during the testing
[05:38] <pjamma> ok lasersaber i will try them out
[05:39] <lasersaber> pjamma, and MATE
[05:39] <pjamma> whats mate
[05:39] <lasersaber> pjamma, try all of them and see which one works best for your computer
[05:39] <pjamma> ok sounds good
[05:39] <tatertots> Joral: as long as your work is inside of https://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/GalliumCompute/ and stays in the "green" areas you'll be fine
[05:39] <pjamma> !info mate
[05:39] <lasersaber> pjamma, MATE is another DE.
[05:39] <pjamma> !Info mate-core
[05:39] <pjamma> !info mate-core
[05:39] <Joral> tatertots, the project hasn't even passed the configure script as it does not detect the hardware, so how can I test the workload if it doesn't build
[05:40] <pjamma> sick
[05:40] <pjamma> i can see which is best
[05:40] <pjamma> tyvm lasersaber
[05:40] <tatertots> Joral: oh, then you're dead in the water...you have no hardware
[05:40] <lasersaber> pjamma, no problem. enjoy :)
[05:40] <pjamma> is there a app that removes junk depositories
[05:40] <tatertots> Joral: you need to purchase the needed "hardware"
[05:40] <pjamma> and removes unecssary files
[05:40] <Joral> tatertots, but clinfo says that I DO  have the hardware
[05:40] <pjamma> to clean up
[05:40] <pjamma> clean up app / command
[05:41] <pjamma> lasersaber
[05:41] <tatertots> Joral: proceed and it will reveal who's word "trumps" who's
[05:41] <pjamma> nvm
[05:41] <pjamma> brb
[05:41] <pjamma> gonna try this
[05:42] <Joral> tatertots, so you are saying that some random software's word is stronger than an ubuntu system file?
[05:42] <tatertots> Joral: if you can't proceed, i'd have to believe it's because you lack hardware, if you CAN proceed surely that proves your hardware is sufficient
[05:42] <tatertots> Joral: i'm saying a real world test
[05:43] <tatertots> Joral: real computational workload tests, no more theory and google searching, test results
[05:43] <Joral> tatertots: one "dry run" is not a scientific test by any means, I came to this channel for help configuring my ubuntu system but have been given every reason why I shouldn't be configuring my system
[05:44] <tatertots> Joral: what do you want help configuring
[05:44] <tatertots> ?
[05:44] <positivery> I installed the intel graphics updating tool,   and once it installed and such now My VGA cord no longer runs video to my external screen?  any help
[05:45] <positivery> highly displeased
[05:45] <lasersaber> positivery, try reboot your system
[05:45] <positivery> I did already
[05:46] <kapa> but does your system can see your external screen ?
[05:46] <positivery> no
[05:46] <positivery> it did before I used the intel tool
[05:46] <Joral> tatertots: I do not have a thorough enough understanding of all of the "moving parts" of the opencl framework to properly identify if the is a misconfigured component (even though the utility provided states that it is configured correctly), how a software project would attempt to poll for and subsequently find said device, etc.  While clinfo does state that I have opencl installed I do not know what other hiccups could prevent a piece of software from
[05:46] <Joral> detecting that device.
[05:47] <kapa> when you connect your screen you do not see it in System Configuration -> Screen Display, right ?
[05:47] <positivery> there is no detection
[05:47] <tatertots> Joral: does it fail with an error message?
[05:48] <kapa> positivery do you have windows machine ?
[05:48] <positivery> I'm running ubuntu 16.04
[05:48] <positivery> but I do have another windows machine
[05:48] <tatertots> Joral: logs?
[05:48] <kapa> Try to connect your screen to windows machine and after that reconnect to your ubuntu machine
[05:48] <kapa> this trick helped me before
[05:50] <positivery> the screen works fine on windows
[05:50] <positivery> the monitor worked fine on Ubuntu right before the INtel update
[05:50] <pjamma> brb
[05:50] <kapa> positivery: and run this command after you reconnect screen:  cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[05:52] <positivery> it returns this http://termbin.com/2oa4
[05:54] <Joral> tatertots,   it says "checking for opencl: no" then "OpenCL...............: NOT FOUND. GPU mining support DISABLED" "configure: error: OpenCL not found"
[05:55] <kapa> [    38.417] (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section.
[05:55] <positivery> well ,
[05:55] <kapa> positivery do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf this file
[05:55] <kapa> ?
[05:56] <kapa> if so - try to back it up, remove and reboot
[05:57] <positivery> I do not have this file it seems.
[05:58] <caligula> wtf man
[05:59] <caligula> what happened
[06:00] <positivery> kapa,  yeah file is not there
[06:01] <tatertots> Jordan_U: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GPGPU
[06:01] <Henry__> Ubuntu newbie here, trying to get my Huawei USB internet dongle to work with Ubuntu. Can anyone help?
[06:01] <kapa> positivery after reconnect to windows machine it still doesn't work ?
[06:01] <positivery> it does not
[06:02] <positivery> i will try another machine one moment, I have to log out
[06:03] <Henry__> Ubuntu newbie here, trying to get my Huawei USB internet dongle to work with Ubuntu. Can anyone help?
[06:04] <pjamma> i like the lxde homie that helped me
[06:05] <pjamma> makes ubuntu look less purple lol
[06:05] <pjamma> gonna try the game see how it runs
[06:05] <pjamma> computer still booted up slow though
[06:05] <pjamma> it hangs for a second at user log on
[06:06] <Henry__> Wow, looks like this Ubuntu support community works about as well as Ubuntu itself, which is not at all.
[06:06] <Xethron> lol
[06:07] <EldonMcGuinness> Henry__: does not it not work when you plug it in?
[06:07] <kapa> Henry__, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H44EZDTawfU :)
[06:07] <Xethron> Henry__: I doubt you'll get any support channel to reply within 3 minutes, and dissing it won't get you any further
[06:08] <wmwm> Dude I wouldn't even respond to him. so sorry you're FREE software doesn't have support. Seriously some people
[06:08] <wmwm> go to windows
[06:08] <EldonMcGuinness> I don't mind helping, but honestly that is kinda rude
[06:08] <Henry__> Eldon: Nope, tried all sorts. ALways complains about permission denied, can't find this or that file, even when I'm super user.
[06:08] <EldonMcGuinness> permission denied?
[06:08] <EldonMcGuinness> when you do what?
[06:09] <kbob> USB modem need to start with sudo
[06:09] <Henry__> Didn't mean to be rude, I'm just at my wits end, having spent HOURS on this problem and getting nowhere.
[06:09] <EldonMcGuinness> can you post the model number?
[06:11] <Henry__> Sorry Eldon, forget about it. This chat thing doesn't look like a suitable way to resolve a technical issue, with all that scrolling text. And it's worse because I have to use my Huawei modem on one pc to connect here, but have to move to the Ubuntu machine to try to install the drivers. I'll find some other way to get help.
[06:11] <freddish> I get these messages when i try to update & upgrade, what is wrong here ? http://pastebin.com/wEvRMggw
[06:12] <EldonMcGuinness> Henry__: chat is a great way to solve these issues, it just takes patience
[06:13] <kbob> Henry__: did you have  APN  APN_USER  APN_PASS ?
[06:13] <Henry__> With windows I'd have been up and running ages ago, just plug and play. But for some reason every time I've had a go installing and using Ubuntu I get nowhere with it. Suddenly, everything is a major battle.
[06:13] <EriC^^> freddish: the file 20auto-upgrades.ucf-dist has a bad filename
[06:14] <EldonMcGuinness> With ubuntu it depends on if there are drivers just like anything else, the kicker is if the driver source is not opensource and the hardware maker does not make a driver then your pretty much SOL
[06:14] <Henry__> kbob: I don't know what that means. I ran install file as root, but still no joy. Complains about not finding certain files and not having permission.
[06:14] <reisio> Henry__: nobody said you were good at installing OSes :)
[06:15] <cfhowlett> Henry__, running install as root?  why?
[06:15] <freddish> EriC^^, how can i fix it ?
[06:15] <Henry__> Eldon: there is a driver on the device, one for Windows, one for Linux. Doesn't work though.
[06:15] <kbob> install with terminal? do apt-get install -f
[06:15] <Henry__> chhowlett: the install tells me to run it as root
[06:15] <EriC^^> freddish: rename the file without .ucf-dist
[06:15] <reisio> Henry__: you don't want to use drivers that come with hardware, man
[06:15] <reisio> Henry__: that's silly
[06:16] <reisio> stop doing things the Windows way, no wonder you're getting tripped up
[06:16] <EldonMcGuinness> if you could post the model number I would be happy to do some looking
[06:16] <EriC^^> freddish: sudo mv /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades.ucf-dist /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades
[06:16] <Henry__> resisio: downloaded the huawei driver, and that didn't work either.
[06:16] <reisio> Henry__: what's the device?
[06:17] <reisio> Henry__: r-e-i-TAB
[06:17] <kbob> huawei driver fior linux?
[06:17] <freddish> Thank you EriC^^, once again you save the day.
[06:18] <cfhowlett> Henry__, been on ubuntu since 7.04 and have never needed to install anything as root.
[06:18] <cfhowlett> sudo, yes.  root, no.
[06:18] <EriC^^> freddish: no problem
[06:18] <EldonMcGuinness> he likely means sudo == root
[06:18] <EldonMcGuinness> Not a biggy really, easy mistake when you come from a windows world
[06:18] <tatertots> Henry__: are you trying to get a 3g/4g usb modem working?
[06:19] <Henry__> cfhowlett, like I said, I'm a newbie to Ubuntu. I find it bloody confusing.
[06:19] <Henry__> tatertots: yes
[06:19] <cfhowlett> Henry__, confirm: did you use sudo to install or did you elevate to root then install?
[06:19] <tatertots> Henry__: is it plugged in now?
[06:19] <Henry__> I've tried sudo in command line, and also su. su initially complained about authentification failiure, but I got that sorted.
[06:20] <EldonMcGuinness> stick with sudo
[06:20] <tatertots> Henry__: open terminal
[06:20] <Henry__> tatertots: plugged into my vista machine (this one), my other notebook has Ubuntu on it, but can't get online with it.
[06:21] <tatertots> Henry__: unplug and replug usb modem
[06:21] <Speiros> cfhowlett Is there a page to read up on the root/sudo pages somewhere?
[06:21] <cfhowlett> !root
[06:21] <tatertots> Henry__: in terminal> cat /var/log/syslog|nc termbin.com 9999
[06:22] <Henry__> cfhowlett: "elevate to root"? Tried both "sudo bash ./install <enter> and su <enter> password<enter> bash ./install
[06:22] <tatertots> Henry__: press enter
[06:22] <Speiros> chhowlett Thanks;)
[06:22] <tatertots> Henry__: share url/link here
[06:22] <cfhowlett> Henry__, that first should have worked
[06:22] <EriC^^> Henry__: what are you trying to do?
[06:22] <EldonMcGuinness> what is the results of the sudo bash ./install command?
[06:23] <Henry__> Eldon: it runs, but when the script tries to copy a file it fails, and subsequent code to run copied file failes, followed by an avalanche of further failures
[06:23] <EldonMcGuinness> can you post it to pastebin and share the results?
[06:24] <EldonMcGuinness> might help to see what is going on
[06:24] <loganlee> eval $( echo l- sl | rev )
[06:24] <EriC^^> ls -l ?
[06:24] <loganlee> yes...
[06:25] <EriC^^> but why?
[06:25] <loganlee> ...
[06:25] <loganlee> i love ubuntu <3
[06:25] <EriC^^> base64 -d <<< b2JmdXNjYXRpb24gaXMgZnVuIQo=
[06:25] <Henry__> Eldon, see now you're asking me to do somethign I've no idea what it is. This is overwhelming me. I might be better off finding someone local for face to face direct-at-the-keyboard help.
[06:27] <gr6430> hello
[06:27] <reisio> I thought the point was that you didn't know what you were doing and that's why you needed the help :p
[06:27] <reisio> gr6430: hi
[06:27] <hateball> !paste | Henry__
[06:28] <gr6430> so what are you guys talking about?
[06:28] <cfhowlett> gr6430, read the topic please
[06:28] <loganlee> EriC^^, obfuscation is fun!
[06:29] <EriC^^> loganlee: :P
[06:30] <Henry__> reisio: yes it is, but this method of communication I find hard to deal with. I'm staring at a screen full of text, and not sure what all of it means. Thanks for the offers to help guys, but I'm gonna quit this chat room and find a local Ubuntu guru to help me out. Cheers!
[06:31] <EldonMcGuinness> sorry was afk
[06:31] <EldonMcGuinness> welp he's gone, ow well
[06:35] <loganlee> eval $( base64 -d <<< bHMgLWwK )
[06:36] <EldonMcGuinness> loganlee: why are you posting that stuff?
[06:36] <reisio> beats your boring msgs
[06:36] <EldonMcGuinness> ahh I see
[06:37] <reisio> :p
[06:37] <VulcanJedi> Well this is fun. I can boot into Linux just fine, using tty2 to login and startx, but if i logout, there is no login screen. Somewhere between messing with gnome-shell and/or plasma themes, i lost my login gui. How do I get it back or install a new one?
[06:38] <Helpmepls> Hey I'm locked out of my development environment and ecruptfs will not unwrap with my login password
[06:38] <loganlee> VulcanJedi, because u ran startx then quit
[06:38] <hateball> VulcanJedi: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[06:38] <Helpmepls> help
[06:38] <loganlee> VulcanJedi, change your default run-level
[06:39] <EriC^^> base64 -d <<< $(base64 -d <<< YkhNZ0xXd0sK)   (obfusception)
[06:39] <ironhide_> hey guys does anyone know how to get gtx 1070 strix going on ubuntu 16.04 LTS? i got the drivers installed i even set nvidia x server to high performance to use gtx but when i plug my hdmi cable to my gtx card it wont boot it just hangs there but when i plug it into my on board card all boots fine
[06:39] <shai342q> Hello, can someone recommend me on good free panel for web server management something like cpanel but free (Where I can add domains to my server etc..) ?
[06:39] <Vader> kdm
[06:39] <Helpmepls> ecryptfs
[06:39] <reisio> shai342q: there aren't any panels, free or non-free that I could recommend; they're all huge security problems
[06:40] <shai342q> I see
[06:40] <VulcanJedi> loganlee: you misunderstand, hateball gave me what I needed!
[06:40] <VulcanJedi> hateball: perfect, thanks
[06:40] <tatertots> ironhide_: hi,
[06:40] <ironhide_> tatertots: hey
[06:40] <tatertots> ironhide_: let's get your card going shall we
[06:40] <ironhide_> tatertots: thank you :)
[06:41] <lasersaber> i installed other DEs, now ubuntu login screen is not default anymore? how can i make ubuntu login screen default again?
[06:41] <Helpmepls> anyone experience not being able to decrypt their home dir after reinstall even with wrapped_password file?
[06:41] <cfhowlett> lasersaber, logout, choose unity, login
[06:41] <tatertots> ironhide_: install inxi, its in ubuntu official repositories making it easy to find, and also easy to install using your favorite installation method
[06:42] <tatertots> ironhide_: i'm not as patient as i used to be, so just let me know once you have inxi installed :)
[06:42] <lasersaber> cfhowlett, i did but xubuntu is still my login screen by default
[06:42] <ironhide_> tatertots: okay its done
[06:42] <hateball> VulcanJedi: It's all good :)
[06:42] <EriC^^> Helpmepls: try sudo ecryptfs-recover-private
[06:42] <cfhowlett> lasersaber, wait.  login SCREEN or desktop environment
[06:42] <hateball> lasersaber: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm"
[06:42] <lasersaber> screen
[06:42] <Helpmepls> Already tried that keeps telling me login password
[06:42] <tatertots> ironhide_: open terminal> inxi -Fxxrzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[06:43] <tatertots> ironhide_: press enter
[06:43] <hateball> lasersaber: if you've tried for instance plasma, the default would have been that you're switched to sddm
[06:43] <ironhide_> tatertots: http://termbin.com/ua8x
[06:43] <tatertots> ironhide_: share url/link here...don't worry the link does NOT contain any info unique to your person
[06:43] <VulcanJedi> lasersaber: listen to hateball, I have the same issue
[06:43] <lasersaber> thanks i will try to reboot and see
[06:45] <loganlee> is irc chat encrypted?
[06:45] <tatertots> ironhide_: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|nc termbin.com 9999
[06:46] <ironhide_> http://termbin.com/y2fx
[06:46] <reisio> loganlee: only by nonsense
[06:47] <tatertots> ironhide_: apt list --installed|grep nvid|nc termbin.com 9999
[06:48] <ironhide_> http://termbin.com/s774
[06:49] <lasersaber> no luck :(
[06:49] <lasersaber> ubuntu unity is still not my default login screen even after i picked unity at login and rebooted the system
[06:50] <tatertots> ironhide_: nvidia-smi &> ~/nfo.nfo
[06:50] <tatertots> ironhide_: you won't see anything just let me know when completed
[06:51] <ironhide_> done
[06:51] <hateball> lasersaber: It's not simply a matter of theme then?
[06:51] <ironhide_> tatertots:done
[06:51] <tatertots> ironhide_: nvidia-settings &>> ~/nfo.nfo
[06:51] <lasersaber> hateball, i dont know
[06:51] <tatertots> ironhide_: if the nvidia utility opens just close it
[06:51] <hateball> lasersaber: I don't use lightdm/unity myself so I cant help more I'm afraid
[06:51] <ironhide_> done
[06:51] <lasersaber> hateball, np
[06:51] <tatertots> ironhide_: cat ~/nfo.nfo|nc termbin.com 9999
[06:52] <ironhide_> http://termbin.com/c351
[06:53] <tatertots> ironhide_: looks good so far
[06:53] <ironhide_> tatertots: my settings are fine?
[06:54] <ironhide_> tatertots: should i shutdown and switch my hdmi to my graphic card ?
[06:54] <tatertots> ironhide_: i'm going to look at one more thing, then i'd like to look into you connecting a hdmi
[06:54] <tatertots> ironhide_: no don't shut down yet
[06:54] <ironhide_> tatertots: okay
[06:55] <tatertots> ironhide_: will you be connecting a second monitor?
[06:55] <ironhide_> tatertots: no
[06:56] <tatertots> ironhide_: just switching monitors?
[06:56] <ironhide_> tatertots: just one monitor i dont want hybrid only my nvidia card
[06:57] <tatertots> ironhide_: let me get a look at this command before you plug in your hdmi display
[06:57] <ironhide_> tatertots: okay thank you
[06:57] <tatertots> ironhide_: xrandr|nc termbin.com 9999
[06:57] <ironhide_> http://termbin.com/zwyq
[06:57] <tatertots> ironhide_: ok go for it
[06:57] <ironhide_> k
[06:57] <CrazyTux> how to decrease screen brightness in Xubuntu?
[06:58] <cfhowlett> CrazyTux, F1 key?
[06:58] <CrazyTux> cfhowlett, thanks a lot.
[06:58] <cfhowlett> happy2help! CrazyTux
[06:58] <ironhide_> k it worked :) but compwiz crashed
[06:59] <JasperK> xchat은 없고, HexChat으로 설치했습니다.
[06:59] <tatertots> ironhide_: did you plug in the other monitor?
[06:59] <JasperK> 괜찮아보이네요.
[06:59] <cfhowlett> !ko | JasperK
[06:59] <ironhide_> no i unpluged my main monitor from board to gtx card
[07:00] <tatertots> ironhide_: ok so i see you previously had the BNQ  Model: 7f50  Serial#: 21573 working,
[07:00] <JasperK> Sorry. I thought I joined korean channel
[07:00] <tatertots> ironhide_: oh i see, using the intel gpu onboard, to using the nvidia
[07:01] <tatertots> ironhide_: so you still only have the one BNQ  Model: 7f50  Serial#: 21573, but you remove it from the intel and plug into nvidia?...am i understanding correctly?
[07:03] <tatertots> ironhide_: when using nvidia prime you have to log out and log back in when you switch
[07:03] <tatertots> ironhide_: just fyi your system PRIME: is it supported? yes
[07:15] <tatertots> ironhide_: so the monitor works fine when plugged into the nvidia now correct?
[07:17] <ironhide_> tatertots: yes
[07:17] <ironhide_> tatertots: sorry i went to the store
[07:21] <ironhide_>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-31-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 8 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.98GHz ** RAM: Physical: 15.6GiB, 88.5% free ** Disk: Total: 408.0GiB, 92.0% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation Sky Lake Integrated Graphics ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH1: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia ** Ethernet: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection
[07:21] <ironhide_> ** Uptime: 58m 16s **
[07:23] <tatertots> ironhide_: no problem, good deal, glad it works, i didn't find any problems related to your GTX 1070 or it's driver, your smi looks fine http://termbin.com/c351
[07:24]  * loganlee listening to hilltop hoods
[07:24] <ironhide_> tatertots: thank you very much i really appreciate it alot :)
[07:26] <ubuntu> hi
[07:27] <ubuntu> anyone here?
[07:27] <Guest38212> can anyone tell me whether you see my ip
[07:27] <cfhowlett> Guest38212, run !whois on yourself
[07:27] <cfhowlett> !whois Guest38212
[07:28] <cfhowlett> whois 38212
[07:28] <Guest38212> !whois Guest38212
[07:28] <Guest38212> doesn't show me anything
[07:28] <Guest38212> !whois 'Guest38212'
[07:29] <discrete> ..
[07:31] <Guest38212> +i
[07:31] <Guest38212> \1
[07:32] <ironhide_> !whois Guest38212
[07:32] <cfhowlett> Guest38212, what irc client are you using?
[07:35] <ducasse> did you mean /whois, cfhowlett?
[07:35] <ubuntu_> !whois
[07:35] <VulcanJedi> i'm lost. how do I look up the name of a repository to add using add-apt-repository?
[07:35] <ubuntu_> hi
[07:35] <cfhowlett> ducasse, tried all the variations and none of them seemed to work ducasse - not sure the bot still triggers
[07:35] <cfhowlett> ubuntu_, ask your question
[07:36] <cfhowlett> !repos | VulcanJedi
[07:36] <VulcanJedi> namely, i'm trying to add the plasma repositories
[07:36] <ubuntu_> i am in a terminal based irc...struggling to find out how !whois works
[07:36] <ubuntu_> !whois ubuntu_
[07:37] <cfhowlett> ubuntu_, find the name of your irc client.  then do man <clientname> to learn the particulars
[07:38] <ubuntu_> ok i made iw rok
[07:38] <ubuntu_> work
[07:38] <ubuntu_> thanks guys
[07:38] <ubuntu_> thanks  cfhowlett
[07:39] <cfhowlett> VulcanJedi, first find the proper packagename with apt search plasma         then do apt policy <packagename>
[07:39] <cfhowlett> happy2help! ubuntu_
[07:39] <ducasse> VulcanJedi: find the name of the repo on the webpage for that repo
[07:44] <hateball> VulcanJedi: what do you mean "the plasma repositories" ?
[07:46] <VulcanJedi> I started with ubuntu studio which is xfce, I think, and I'm having issues with the two DE's I installed, so I'm making sure I have their repositories added properly
[07:47] <VulcanJedi> I found the ones for gnome-shell, is plasma-desktop just part of canonical while gnome-shell is not?
[07:48] <ducasse> VulcanJedi: they're both in ubuntu, if you add repos you are more likely to break things
[07:49] <VulcanJedi> ducasse: i couldn't find gnome-shell in the software manager...
[07:50] <ducasse> VulcanJedi: which ubuntu version?
[07:50] <VulcanJedi> 16.04
[07:50] <ducasse> !info gnome-shell xenial
[07:50] <cfhowlett> VulcanJedi, easy to discover:  apt policy <packagename> will tell you
[07:51] <VulcanJedi> well that's nifty
[07:52] <VulcanJedi> !info plasma-desktop xenial
[07:52] <hateball> VulcanJedi: if you're going plasma, I recommend using the kubuntu backports PPA as well. stock 16.04 is volatile
[07:53] <hateball> also we dont bite in #kubuntu in case you have plasma specific questions :)
[07:54] <VulcanJedi> i think I like gnome best, but I want to try plasma out next to it
[07:54] <VulcanJedi> hateball: haha, i'll keep that in mind
[07:55] <hateball> Once you go Plasma you don't go back...sma
[08:10] <helpmeplease> So I was able to decrypt all my data in my home directory, but what if I wanted to make this my new home directory on this new installation/
[08:10] <helpmeplease> ?
[08:14] <Christer> Any tips on how to get the name of a file when i only know it ends in .tar.bz2 ? i want to export the dynamic filename as a variable.
[08:18] <JP____> Use wildcard
[08:18] <JP____> *.tar.bz2
[08:19] <tatertots> loaded question
[08:19] <JP____> But you will get all files that end with .tar.bz2 so use with caution
[08:19] <JP____> What's a loaded question?
[08:19] <helpmeplease> ls *.tar.bz2 or find /location/to/search -name *.tar.bz2
[08:19] <helpmeplease> anyone know how to properly switch my home directory to an ecrypt-fs partition?
[08:22] <loganlee> Christer, export foo="abc.tar.gz"; echo ${foo%%.tar.gz}; -------------> abc
[08:23] <Christer> loganlee, that approach is fine if you know the filename :)
[08:24] <loganlee> Christer, but foo could be any file... this is what you need
[08:24] <tatertots> hence loaded question lol
[08:30] <CrazyTux> hello, which is the best and most preferred virtualization package used in Linux OS?
[08:31] <loganlee> if you choose to encrypt your home directory will it be slower?
[08:31] <tatertots> CrazyTux: personal preference...personal requirements will vary person to person, if you don't know what your requirements are, it's because you have no requirements
[08:32] <CrazyTux> I am new to Linux. Have installed Xubuntu LTS on my laptop. Need Win8 in it through a Virtualization package.
[08:33] <tatertots> CrazyTux: do you know the names of any virtualization packages?
[08:33] <wk-work> CrazyTux: KVM/Xen works fine, however if you are new to Linux, perhaps vmware player / Virtualbox might be something for you.
[08:33] <CrazyTux> I want to install Win 8 or Win10.
[08:33] <tatertots> CrazyTux: do you know the names of any virtualization packages? yes or  no
[08:34] <CrazyTux> tatertots, no.
[08:34] <CrazyTux> never used any of them.
[08:34] <CrazyTux> in fact I am just 2 months old in Linux.
[08:35] <tatertots> CrazyTux: you should probably just try one, any one, all the major ones will support windows8/10
[08:35] <CrazyTux> please suggest the name of the best package.
[08:36] <tatertots> CrazyTux: asking another person to pick for you, only so you can complain and nit pick over what others pick for you can be avoided, do a little reading or research on your own and just pick one and get some experience
[08:36] <CrazyTux> ok
[08:37] <loganlee> ubuntu is awesome !
[08:38] <mozammel> loganlee: agreed !! hehe
[08:39] <loganlee> :)
[08:40] <helpmeplease> CrazyTux, I'm 29 about to be 30, been a Linux user since I was 12... I try to stick with Debian based distro's because I like the package manager and I'm familiar with the layout of the filesystem and configurations but it's basically all up to your preference... I installed Parrot OS based on Debian Stretch with a hardended Linux 4.8
[08:41] <helpmeplease> installed tonight*
[08:41] <CrazyTux> helpmeplease, I have Xubuntu LTS installed on my laptop.
[08:41] <CrazyTux> Need a good Virtualization package.
[08:42] <helpmeplease> had an issue with ecryptfs tonight, but realized it was a version mismatch in versions of live cd's I was using and the version of ecrypt used to encrypt my home
[08:42] <CrazyTux> installing Virtual box now.
[08:42] <helpmeplease> CrazyTux?? Virtualizion is my expertise, vbox is alright, vmware is the way to go really, vmware workstation
[08:43] <helpmeplease> there is also Qemu and http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Pagehttp://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page
[08:43] <helpmeplease> vmware is the best in my opinion
[08:43] <wk-work> qemu and kvm is the same thing?
[08:44] <CrazyTux> ok. Vmware is not available in Xubuntu software centre.
[08:44] <wk-work> you'll have to download and install the software from their website
[08:44] <wk-work> if you need it to be available in the software centre, try virtualbox
[08:45] <CrazyTux> ok. installing virtual box now.
[08:45] <CrazyTux> but, virtual box supports only 32 bit os.
[08:46] <CrazyTux> how is Virtual Machine Manager?
[08:46] <helpmeplease> yea and used to be a bitch for usb support
[08:46] <helpmeplease> what are you doing with you virtual env?
[08:47] <helpmeplease> 64 bit really just gives you more flexibility and RAM capabilities past 3.5GB
[08:47] <helpmeplease> do you need a VM with more than 3.5GB?
[08:48] <helpmeplease> or 64bit processor capabilities?
[08:48] <CrazyTux> ok. can I get vmware in synaptic package manager?
[08:48] <helpmeplease> no vmware is pay only
[08:48] <tatertots> he didn't even know the name of a virtualization package, he has no requirements that he knows anything of
[08:48] <CrazyTux> ok
[08:48] <helpmeplease> there are "versions" out there though
[08:48] <helpmeplease> vmware is by far the best IMO
[08:49] <CrazyTux> any other package for 64 bit systems and is available in Xubuntu software centre?
[08:49] <tatertots> just off topic rambling about virtualization now, and both #vbox and #vmware  have their own chat rooms on freenode guys
[08:49] <CrazyTux> I am running Xubuntu now.
[08:50] <helpmeplease> just learn virtualization first with vbox
[08:50] <helpmeplease> even though screw oracle
[08:50] <helpmeplease> that's your best bet since you're already downloading and installing
[08:50] <JP____> if you screw the oracle you get >>>>>>>> The chosen
[08:50] <helpmeplease> it's 4 in the morning here, this channel is being used for anything else?
[08:52] <helpmeplease> I mean I had asked if anyone knew of the proper way to replace a fresh installations home directory with an ecrypt fs on a separate disk/partition but no one is awake that knows the answer I dont think lol
[08:52] <JP____> It's 10 am here, just "working"
[08:53] <sudobash> Just going to backup and recreate it
[08:57] <loganlee> too hot gonna have shower brb
[08:57] <trudko>  Hi, I am using caffeine gnome extensions and I would like to turn of its notification. I am running Gnome Ubuntu 16.10
[08:58] <elichai2> hey
[08:58] <elichai2> how can I change ulimit?
[08:58] <elichai2> when I run it via su, it's changing only the root user limit
[08:58] <tatertots> elichai2: man ulimit
[08:58] <elichai2> and when I run it via the normal user I get bash: ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted
[08:59] <sudobash> try sudo?
[08:59] <elichai2> tatertots, oh, it's obselete
[08:59] <elichai2> sorry
[08:59] <elichai2> lol, i've read the man twice before but somehow I missed it
[09:00] <tatertots> elichai2: yes, says WARNING
[09:00] <elichai2> tatertots, wait, I don't think that's it
[09:00] <elichai2> For the shell command ulimit(), see bash(1).
[09:01] <sudobash> try it with sudo instead of su
[09:01] <elichai2> sudobash, tried, I get: `sudo: ulimit: command not found`
[09:01] <sudobash> as your user tho
[09:02] <sudobash> try sudo -s ulimit that works on my system
[09:03] <elichai2> sudobash, now I didn't get any error but `ulimit -n` stayed the same
[09:03] <elichai2> so the command didn't worked
[09:05] <sudobash> wait yeah thats not going to work at all
[09:05] <elichai2> sorry I got disconnected
[09:06] <sudobash> sudo sh -c "ulimit -[options]"
[09:08] <elichai2> sudobash, same
[09:08] <sudobash> what is your exact command?
[09:08] <elichai2> doesn't return an error but didn't change the value
[09:08] <elichai2> sudo sh -c "ulimit -n 8192"
[09:08] <sudobash> and what is your goal?
[09:08] <elichai2> running `ulimit -n` and it will return 8192
[09:09] <elichai2> works normally on su
[09:09] <Jakey3> should the postgres user be in the shudders file
[09:09] <Jakey3> ?\
[09:09] <stevendale> Hi there, could a kind soul direct me to the channel for help with bugs relating to mainstream Ubuntu 17.04 desktop images?
[09:09] <Jakey3> should the postgres user be in the sudoers file
[09:09] <sudobash> hmm yea but this is only for the current shell and that shells users
[09:10] <elichai2> sudobash, yes. that's why running it in su won't help
[09:10] <sudobash> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/294475/ulimit-command-not-found-without-sudo-and-error-coredumpsize-cant-set-limi
[09:10] <sudobash> check last comment
[09:11] <sudobash> might help
[09:11] <elichai2> sudobash, so he's saying that it can only be done with reboot?
[09:11] <berkiyo> test
[09:12] <sudobash> don't see that anywhere
[09:12] <elichai2> These settings will take effect at login time
[09:13] <coffeeguy> hi how do you install java runtime in ubuntu 16.04?
[09:13] <loganlee> coffeeguy, download from java website
[09:13] <sudobash> oh you don't need a reboot you could just logout and log back in or restart your desktop manager like I'm on lightdm: sudo service lightdm restart
[09:13] <coffeeguy> kk thank you loganlee :)
[09:13] <sudobash> that will take you back to login screen
[09:14] <loganlee> coffeeguy, http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre8-downloads-2133155.html
[09:14] <elichai2> sudobash, basically the same but ok. (reboot time takes no time for me on SSD, but it means I need to close everything)
[09:14] <loganlee> good luck
[09:14] <coffeeguy> Thank you :)
[09:15] <loganlee> this is my program: http://realtimeconfigurablechatbot.sourceforge.net/
[09:15] <sudobash> reboot kills other services though so really not the same thing, you're restarting one service, for you it is all the same, for servers it wouldn't be
[09:15] <sudobash> plus it's instantaneous
[09:16] <sudobash> why reboot when you can drop to login screen within 5 ms
[09:17] <sudobash> I used to be the same way though when I didn't know how to restart or do certain things real quick
[09:17] <Ben64> coffeeguy: don't download from website
[09:17] <coffeeguy> oh ok
[09:17] <Ben64> search the software center for java and install it there
[09:17] <coffeeguy> ok ty :)
[09:18] <Jakey3> what is this command doing sudo -s -H -u postgres
[09:18] <elichai2> sudobash, i'm disconnecting to see if it worked
[09:18] <Jakey3> read the manual still not sure
[09:18] <sudobash> cool cool
[09:18] <ppf> Jakey3: log you in as user postgres
[09:19] <Jakey3> with sudo privileges for postgres?
[09:19] <ppf> no
[09:20] <Jakey3> what are -s -H saying
[09:20] <Jakey3> -s is with the defined shell
[09:20] <Jakey3> ok so -H
[09:20] <Ben64> Jakey3: that is covered in the man page
[09:22] <charnel> Hi, from openvpn admin panel I created an user and gave a password, also created an unix user from the server. However when I try to connect I am getting auth_error. What am I doing wrong ?
[09:26] <sudobash> charnel we need a little more than just auth_error, any more to that error?
[09:27] <berkiyo> t
[09:27] <charnel> sudobash, https://gist.github.com/cbaykam/b7e163e9ff8289d18b24e3cd0e2ad864
[09:27] <charnel> with openvpn user I can login
[09:28] <nwe> hello, I have a question have setup efidefault (pxeboot) and ubuntu preseed, I get my grub-menu,  and it loading until http://pastebin.com/VuagSkge but after that I dont get any output (using ilo on hp)
[09:28] <loganlee> ?
[09:32] <sudobash> work elichai2?
[09:37] <Timonen> hi guyse =)))
[09:39] <berkiyo> hi Timonen
[09:39] <berkiyo> k
[09:39] <berkiyo> he left :D
[09:40] <elichai2> sudobash, i'll reboot soon, i'm in the middle of something
[09:52] <nedbat> where can i look to see the changelog for kernel releases?
[09:59] <yeeve> any have a recommendation for backup management software (i.e. bacula)? I usually use rsync but I'd like something to handle the rotation and with better controls so I can get other users to start backing up their stuff.
[10:06] <elichai2> it didn't worked
[10:10] <elichai2> hey
[10:10] <Protoc0L_S4> Wow
[10:11] <Protoc0L_S4> What client do you guys prefer?
[10:12] <Protoc0L_S4> quit
[10:13] <elichai2> how can I change the ulimit number?
[10:14] <ikevin-> elichai2, which limit you want to change?
[10:14] <elichai2> 8192
[10:15] <elichai2> I mean both soft and hard I think
[10:15] <Ben64> /etc/security/limits.conf
[10:16] <elichai2> ikevin-, I think both
[10:16] <elichai2> Ben64, I added these lines:
[10:16] <elichai2> *                soft    nofile          8192
[10:16] <elichai2> *                hard    nofile          8192
[10:16] <ikevin-> elichai2, you need to know what type of limit (max openned file?), you can have a list with: ulimit -a
[10:16] <elichai2> and rebooted, and nothing
[10:17] <elichai2> ikevin, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23791493/
[10:17] <elichai2> yeah, max opened files
[10:17] <ikevin-> ulimit -Sn 8192
[10:17] <elichai2> so that's not 'nofile'?
[10:18] <JackH> is whatsie for ubuntu no longer available? I cant seem to find it anywhere
[10:18] <elichai2> ikevin, bash: ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Invalid argument
[10:18] <AnInstanceOfMe> Updates 16.04 my server last night appeared to do something very odd; removed all usernames & passwords from my MariaDB, other than root. php7.0-mysql was one of the updated packages. Anyone else experienced likewise?
[10:18] <ikevin-> elichai2, ulimit -n ?
[10:19] <elichai2> ulimit -n give me '800'  and when I try running 'ulimit -n 8192' I get: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted
[10:20] <ikevin-> elichai2, ulimit need to be run as root
[10:20] <elichai2> ikevin, that's not right, ulimit is per user
[10:20] <elichai2> if I run it with sudo: 'sudo: ulimit: command not found' If I run it via su it's changing only the root settings
[10:21] <ikevin-> cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max ?
[10:21] <Ben64> why do you want to increase it elichai2
[10:21] <elichai2> because i'm trying to run a script that opens lots of threads
[10:21] <philm88> I have a weird diskspace issue. /dev/sdc is using 45G according to df -h. du -sh /* doesn't add up to nearly that amount though; https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8962618 - how can I find out what's going on?
[10:21] <Ben64> over 800 threads?
[10:22] <ppf> elichai2: that answers how, not why :)
[10:23] <Ben64> philm88: deleted opened files probably
[10:23] <philm88> Ben64: makes sense - is there an easy way to confirm that?
[10:23] <Ben64> reboot
[10:24] <ikevin-> lsof :)
[10:24] <Ben64> reboot is easy way
[10:24] <elichai2> ppf, I need to open ~4500 threads
[10:24] <ppf> why
[10:24] <Ben64> elichai2: do whatever you're doing in a better way
[10:25] <elichai2> Ben64, I just want to change the damn thing
[10:25] <bazhang> no need for that elichai2
[10:25] <ppf> elichai2: if people in support channel question your premise, it's time to think about your problem some more
[10:25] <ppf> because you're most likely approaching it wrong, or are solving the wrong problem
[10:25] <philm88> ikevin-: thanks, I did a lsof and found logstash-forwarder was still refering a bunch of large log files that were deleted. service logstash-forwarder restart and now /dev/sdc is only using 4.4G (:
[10:26] <ikevin-> :)
[10:26] <elichai2> ppf, it's one time thing, I just need to run it.
[10:27] <elichai2> ppf, I know that's not how you should write code. but it's a complicated situation and that how it needed in this situation
[10:28] <ppf> unlikely
[10:29] <zhou_xingyu> hi guys,may I ask how to add space to /home
[10:30] <bazhang> gparted zhou_xingyu
[10:30] <zhou_xingyu> my home is /dev/sda11,but I want to add 450 g ,which in /dev/sda1
[10:30] <ikevin-> you need to expend the partition size
[10:30] <zhou_xingyu> gparted showed I can not do it
[10:30] <bazhang> boot the live usb zhou_xingyu
[10:31] <ppf> you can't merge partitions that aren't adjacent
[10:31] <ppf> hence you can't 'add' any space to /home
[10:31] <zhou_xingyu> yes ,I can not do it in gparted
[10:31] <ppf> you can however replace it
[10:31] <ikevin-> ppf, so you can dekete one, move inodes and expend
[10:31] <bazhang> zhou_xingyu, from a running system?
[10:32] <zhou_xingyu> yes
[10:32] <ppf> sure, you can move stuff
[10:32] <bazhang> zhou_xingyu, never do that
[10:32] <zhou_xingyu> I install gparted in my ubuntu
[10:32] <ikevin-> partition need to be unmount before
[10:32] <bazhang> thus the live usb zhou_xingyu
[10:32] <zhou_xingyu> I think I should change my /home dev
[10:32] <zhou_xingyu> so I can expand it
[10:32] <bazhang> zhou_xingyu, not on a running system
[10:32] <ironhide_> why is ubuntu putting my usb mouse to sleep every 5 seconds on my pc?
[10:33] <zhou_xingyu> bazhang, thank you
[10:33] <bazhang> np
[10:33] <ikevin-> ironhide_, i think it's not ubuntu so the mouse
[10:33] <ironhide_> ikevin-: its not the usb power or something like that?
[10:33] <ironhide_> it was working fine for hours
[10:34] <ikevin-> ironhide_, i think no, lot of mouse shutdown the laser when not used
[10:34] <ironhide_> not every 5 second tho thats crazy
[10:34] <ikevin-> ironhide_, it's a wireless usb mouse?
[10:34] <ironhide_> no
[10:34] <ironhide_> wired usb mouse
[10:35] <ikevin-> ironhide_, 'k, try to see in dmesg if you have some error with usb
[10:36] <ironhide_> ikevin-: http://termbin.com/voiu
[10:36] <ikevin-> ironhide_, usb power problem can append if you have a lot of things connected on usb
[10:36] <ironhide_> i only got a usb keyboard and mouse
[10:38] <ikevin-> ironhide_, [ 7174.251496] usb 1-13: USB disconnect, device number 2
[10:38] <ikevin-> 1-13 correspond to your mouse
[10:39] <ikevin-> so, no error, it look like mouse has been unplug
[10:40] <ironhide_> ikevin-: i just unplugged and plugged it back in , acting normal now ... weird :/
[10:41] <ikevin-> ironhide_, the cable is not damaged
[10:41] <ikevin-> ?
[10:42] <ironhide_> ikevin- no its brand new mouse i just got this system 5 days ago
[10:42] <ikevin-> 'k
[10:42] <ikevin-> it's the first time the problem occure?
[10:43] <ironhide_> ikevin-: yes
[10:44] <ikevin-> ironhide_, ok, maybe wait to see if it problem persist
[10:54] <Jakey3> if you install new software on ubuntu for example postgres or other arbitrary software(S) how would you test that the original functionality of your server is still in tact?
[10:57] <ppf> wait until someone complains
[10:57] <pombreda> Jakey3: you would need to write actual tests for your application using these packages
[10:58] <Jakey3> are there any standard tests you can do
[10:58] <pombreda> and run them before and after a package install or upgrade, eventually on some staging server of sorts
[10:59] <Ben64> doesn't really make sense, like if you install imagemagick you're concerned that apache might stop working?
[10:59] <ppf> Jakey3: no, because it depends on what your server does for you
[10:59] <TheAlexOon> no
[10:59] <ppf> just try if your services are still working and if they are just wait for it to break
[11:00] <pombreda> Jakey3: not that I know off... Say you rely of a very specific behavior of Postgres 9.5.2 ... You may not even know that fact. Only specific tests of your usage of Postgres that will break when you upgrade to 9.5.3 will  have any value.
[11:00] <koalaaa> arere there any disconnection issues with the current ubuntu?
[11:00] <pombreda> ppf: waiting for breaking is not really a safe, better practice ;)
[11:01] <Jakey3> I'm installing atlasian with postgres
[11:01] <koalaaa> someone said he kept getting disconnecte
[11:01] <koalaaa> disconnected
[11:01] <ppf> pombreda: i disagree
[11:01] <Jakey3> I want to insure everything works as before on the server
[11:01] <koalaaa> after version 14
[11:01] <Ben64> koalaaa: no
[11:01] <CrazyTux> is Ubuntu as user friendly as Windows?
[11:01] <koalaaa> was that a problem, and was it fixed?
[11:01] <Ben64> CrazyTux: sure
[11:01] <Ben64> koalaaa: no
[11:02] <pombreda> Jakey3: atlassian is a vague thing. Ensuring everything works as before is a big program :)
[11:02] <CrazyTux> Need to appreciate Ubuntu for their contribution.
[11:02] <Darth_Diggler> Hi guys does anyone here know about ddresue
[11:03] <Ben64> Darth_Diggler: ask your real question for best results
[11:03] <CrazyTux> They have built upon Debian and have tried to make Linux more usable and friendlier.
[11:03] <koalaaa> Ben64 I have some ld ubunto disks.  Would it be reasonable to install what's on one of them, and then upgrade?
[11:03] <tatertots> Darth_Diggler: you either can make it work or you're paying for pro data recovery...but yeah ask your real question
[11:04] <koalaaa> old * ubuntu disks
[11:04] <Ben64> koalaaa: i wouldn't suggest it
[11:04] <koalaaa> sorry
[11:04] <pombreda> Jakey3: just do at least some miminal scripted smoke tests, may be some API and http calls.
[11:04] <koalaaa> Ben64 so where to go to download an up to date one?
[11:04] <Ben64> koalaaa: ubuntu.com :)
[11:04] <koalaaa> thanks
[11:04] <pombreda> :D
[11:04] <Darth_Diggler> Ok I have cloned a drive using ddrescue it completed with no errors the 2tb destination drive is showing only 200gb free space but I cannot see any files can anyone help
[11:05] <CrazyTux> still, a beginner like me who wants just to get the work done, has to do a lot to set up the system and get it ready to be used. Even in Ubuntu.
[11:05] <Ben64> CrazyTux: depends what you consider set up
[11:05] <koalaaa> Ben64 would it make any sense to download it to a storage device and use it from there?
[11:06] <momken> Hello
[11:06] <Ben64> koalaaa: not really?
[11:06] <momken> How could I get prettior results from (search results of) pkcon?
[11:06] <momken> *prettier
[11:06] <CrazyTux> Ben64, I have used Windows and have started with Linux very recently. I find Linux and Ubuntu a lot better than Windows.
[11:07] <tatertots> Darth_Diggler: can you see the files on the original drive, but not on the drive that you "cloned"?
[11:07] <Ben64> CrazyTux: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[11:07] <Jakey3> ok thanks pombreda et al
[11:07] <Darth_Diggler> no the original drive was not accessible thats why used ddrescue
[11:07] <Ben64> Darth_Diggler: what was the exact command you used
[11:08] <koalaaa> Ben64 disconnects seem to be a know issue:   it seems to be a known issue http://askubuntu.com/questions/838064/wifi-keeps-disconnecting-reboot-helps-but-network-manager-restart-doesnt
[11:08] <CrazyTux> Ben64, I posted a question here yesterday. And today also. Regarding the live usb of Xubuntu 16.10.
[11:08] <koalaaa> maybe they fixed it?
[11:08] <Ben64> koalaaa: not an ubuntu issue
[11:09] <Darth_Diggler> ddrescue -d -f /dev/sda /dev/sdc /media/sh2/log/log.log
[11:09] <Ben64> CrazyTux: ask the question?
[11:09] <Darth_Diggler> the log shows no errors too
[11:09] <Ben64> Darth_Diggler: see any partitions on sdc?
[11:09] <CrazyTux> Ben64, leave that. I have already installed Xubuntu 16.04.1.
[11:10] <Ben64> CrazyTux: so you don't have a question
[11:10] <Darth_Diggler> yes the partition is there and says it nearly full can access it but cant see any files
[11:10] <Ben64> what filesystem
[11:12] <tatertots> koalaaa: is your wifi dropping?
[11:12] <CrazyTux> Ben64, actually, I wanted to use 16.10 and tried creating live usb of it multiple times. But, was unable to boot from it. I followed all the suggestions here. I have a new laptop and thought of installing Xubuntu 16.10.
[11:12] <Darth_Diggler> it was an external drive so I am assuming it was fat I cant actually access it right now as have gparted trying to find the file system
[11:13] <koalaaa> tatertots nope, but a friend who used ubuntu last year said he had problems with it, and there are a lot of complaints about it from last year too, evidently
[11:13] <CrazyTux> But, frustrated, I had to install Xubuntu 16.04.1.
[11:13] <koalaaa> tatertots as my post suggested   http://askubuntu.com/questions/838064/wifi-keeps-disconnecting-reboot-helps-but-network-manager-restart-doesnt
[11:13] <Ben64> koalaaa: so you're here asking about someone else's issue from a year ago?
[11:13] <koalaaa> tatertots I havn't downloaded a version of it y et
[11:14] <koalaaa> Ben64 I'm asking because I was told there was an issue of that sort with Ubuntu
[11:14] <Ben64> there isn't
[11:14] <koalaaa> good
[11:14] <Ben64> as i've said already many times
[11:14] <koalaaa> but evidently there was last year, or something
[11:14] <Ben64> no there wasn't
[11:14] <Darth_Diggler> I am thinking its just lost the files system but as ddrescue gave no errors im not sure
[11:14] <koalaaa> no?
[11:14] <koalaaa> ok
[11:14] <Ben64> idk how many times you have to hear it
[11:15] <koalaaa> anyway thanks for your help
[11:15] <koalaaa> I'll probably come back when I've installed it
[11:18] <Darth_Diggler> So does that mean the anser to my original question was no
[11:20] <tatertots> Darth_Diggler: your data might have been long gone by the time you thought to use ddrescue, it's possible you just cloned a unusable drive resulting in of course a unusable cloned drive. Good luck trying to recover your data though, hope your job isn't on the line....happy new year
[11:21] <Darth_Diggler> yes I understand that and that why wanted to speak to somone that actually knows about this and where to  go next but guys I just wasted my time
[11:21] <Darth_Diggler> lol
[11:22] <diogenes_> Darth_Diggler, you could try ontack easy recovery
[11:22] <diogenes_> ontrack*
[11:22] <diogenes_> I rescued half of TB with it
[11:23] <Darth_Diggler> is ontrack windows software
[11:23] <EriC^^> Darth_Diggler: did you try testdisk?
[11:23] <EriC^^> it works pretty well with fat
[11:24] <diogenes_> Darth_Diggler, if you have something really important in your lost data then you should install windows recover your data and install linux again
[11:24] <Darth_Diggler> no did not try test disk yet but I assume what gparted is doing at the moment is similar
[11:24] <EriC^^> Darth_Diggler: nah it's completely different
[11:24] <Darth_Diggler> I will try testdisk next then maybe photorec if no one has better advise
[11:25] <EriC^^> Darth_Diggler: are you able to mount the filesystem right now?
[11:25] <tatertots> nope
[11:25] <ppf> scrap the disk and restore from backup?
[11:25] <Darth_Diggler> yes it but just get empty folder
[11:25] <tatertots> he's got no recovered data
[11:25] <tatertots> he hasn't recovered not a single file
[11:26] <EriC^^> Darth_Diggler: what does "df -h /path/to/mountpoint" show?
[11:26] <ppf> tatertots: if the source disk wasn't accessible i don't find that suprising :)
[11:26] <Darth_Diggler> but i rrecovered 1,8tb of somthing thats taking up drive space
[11:26] <EriC^^> Darth_Diggler: not sure what you mean
[11:26] <Ben64> well i asked you what filesystem and you couldn't answer it, so i got uninterested
[11:27] <Mrokii> Hello. I need a recommendation for a way to give my desktop Kubuntu 16.10 a wireless connection. What would be a good working solution (usb or otherwise)?
[11:27] <Ben64> Mrokii: a small usb adapter, from amazon or monoprice or something
[11:27] <EriC^^> run these commands "sudo parted -l; sudo mount /dev/sdxY /mnt; df -h /mnt" and paste the output in paste.ubuntu.com
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Morning folks
[11:27] <EriC^^> Darth_Diggler: ^
[11:28] <EriC^^> Darth_Diggler: replace /dev/sdxY with the partition that has the stuff on it, like /dev/sdb1 or similar
[11:28] <Mrokii> Ben64: Do you know about any brands I should avoid, due to proprietary drivers or something?
[11:28] <CrazyTux> Ben64, any solutions?
[11:28] <Darth_Diggler> ok ill try that give me a sec
[11:28] <Ben64> Mrokii: broadcom often is trouble
[11:29] <Ben64> Mrokii: i'd suggest looking for one that works on the raspberry pi, they're popular, easy to search for
[11:29] <Mrokii> Ben64: Okay, thank you very much. I'll take a look.
[11:29] <Ben64> CrazyTux: solution to the problem you still haven't asked???
[11:30] <CrazyTux> Ben64, since yesterday, I asked thrice.
[11:30] <diogenes_> Mrokii, I've got D-Link DWA-110 and it works out of the box
[11:30] <Ben64> well i can't scroll back to yesterday, ASK AGAIN already
[11:30] <CrazyTux> I asked a few minutes back. above.
[11:31] <Ben64> no you didn't
[11:31] <CrazyTux> was I disconnected?
[11:31] <Ben64> no you just didn't ask anything
[11:31] <CrazyTux> ctually, I wanted to use 16.10 and tried creating live usb of it multiple times. But, was unable to boot from it. I followed all the suggestions here. I have a new laptop and thought of installing Xubuntu 16.10.
[11:31] <Ben64> that isn't a question
[11:32] <CrazyTux>  Regarding the live usb of Xubuntu 16.10.
[11:32] <CrazyTux> what is the problem with Xubuntu 16.10 live usb?
[11:33] <Darth_Diggler> I cant pasted it all as its on a computer without internet but its saying the partition is msdos if that helps
[11:33] <diogenes_> CrazyTux, try to bur your iso with this software and try boot again: http://wiki.rosalab.ru/en/index.php/Blog:ROSA_Planet/ROSA_Image_Writer
[11:33] <Ben64> CrazyTux: there isn't a problem with it
[11:34] <CrazyTux> diogenes, but, I created the live usb of Xubuntu 16.04.1 the same way, was able to boot from it. And I have successfully installed the OS also.
[11:34] <BluesKaj> a simple oversight like forgetting to enable USB boot in the UEFI/BIOS can prevent USB boot. CrazyTux
[11:35] <CrazyTux> whatever I did using 16.04.1 live usb was the same I did using live usb of 16.10.
[11:35] <Darth_Diggler> and file system ntfs
[11:35] <CrazyTux> FAT32.
[11:36] <Mrokii> diogenes_: Okay, thanks, will take a look as well.
[11:39] <EriC^^> Darth_Diggler: ok, try mounting it
[11:39] <EriC^^> sudo mount /dev/sdxY /mnt
[11:45] <Darth_Diggler> yes it was already mounted fine I ran the other line of code too
[11:45] <bubu_> Hey folks, any ideas on a regex to match the first '_' in a string? I want to match the actual underscore
[11:46] <Ben64> bubu_: depends what you're trying to do
[11:47] <bubu_> foo.bar-1.baz_badger.bob_foo.bar.badger.bla < match only the first '_'
[11:47] <Darth_Diggler> oh it only mounted the drive not the partition gparted is trying to recover file system so cant mount the partition
[11:47] <Ben64> bubu_: match where using what doing what
[11:48] <krosenmann> _*
[11:48] <Darth_Diggler> maybe ill come back later if gparted ever finish
[11:48] <krosenmann> Bubu
[11:48] <bubu_> A regex to match the first underscore..
[11:48] <Ben64> bubu_: fine. here you go ----> _
[11:48] <Ben64> happy?
[11:49] <bubu_> @Ben64 nope, that matches all underscore in a string
[11:49] <Ben64> no it doesn't
[11:49] <Darth_Diggler> I was thinking of using photrec on the recovered drive to see if it can find anything
[11:49] <krosenmann> He's need first, not only )
[11:49] <Ben64> it does the first one
[11:49] <bubu_> Ben64: It does all on http://pythex.org which is where I am testing
[11:50] <Ben64> which is why i asked you to explain it multiple times
[11:50] <Ben64> so are you going to explain it yet or no
[11:51] <bubu_> @Ben64 sorry can you be more explicit about what you want me to explain? I want a python regex tat matches _only_ the first underscore '_' in a string.
[11:51] <Ben64> what are you doing
[11:52] <bubu_> @Ben64 I am actually trying to match on a regex for using in Graphite http://graphite.readthedocs.io/en/latest/functions.html#graphite.render.functions.aliasSub
[11:52] <Darth_Diggler> ben64 I not seen you answer one question yet you are just trolling
[11:52] <bubu_> so I need the search regex ti find the first underscore in a string.
[11:53] <tatertots> ben isn't a troll
[11:53] <Ben64> ben needs details in order to answer
[11:53] <Darth_Diggler> certainly looks like one if you read all his posts
[11:53] <Ben64> read all the way back to 2013 before you come to that conclusion
[11:54] <Darth_Diggler> lol whatever maybe you got out of bed the wrong side today
[11:54] <Ben64> not my fault if people can't explain things
[11:54] <ppf> Darth_Diggler: try to answer someones questions here, that'll change your mind :)
[11:55] <ppf> ben's answer was perfectly valid for the question asked
[11:55] <EriC^^> Darth_Diggler: what's mounted right now? try just "df -h"
[11:55] <bubu_> Ben64: sorry I realise not trolling and want info, am unsure what other info you may want exactly.
[11:55] <Darth_Diggler> yeah but I gave you the answer the file system is ntfs but you have never given me an ansser
[11:56] <ppf> bubu_: details
[11:56] <EriC^^>  !ping
[11:56] <tatertots> and don't they have #python, #java, #iwannabeuberelite chat rooms on freenode
[11:56] <EriC^^> !ping
[11:56] <BluesKaj> almost a full moon on Friday the 13th...must be the cause of this "attitude" some users are showing today ;-)
[11:56] <bubu_> lol
[11:57] <Ben64> bubu_: i think you've given enough now, i'm checking into that implementation to see the way to do it, i don't do much python myself
[11:57] <Darth_Diggler> the drive is mounted but not the partition the the result of running that command for the drive gave size 1.6gb used 4.4m availible 1,6gb which is starange
[11:57] <ppf> BluesKaj: sadly i don't find it particularily different today
[11:57] <bubu_> what more details can I give other than it is for the Regex search (http://graphite.readthedocs.io/en/latest/functions.html#graphite.render.functions.aliasSub) to match on the first underscore in a string.
[11:57] <bubu_> @Ben64 cheers...
[11:58] <BluesKaj> ppf stick around for a while...it gets better
[11:58] <Darth_Diggler> the drive is 2tb so its showing as 1.6 gb
[11:58] <EriC^^> Darth_Diggler: ok, can you cancel gparted?
[11:58] <ppf> BluesKaj: alright, i'll keep you updated!
[11:58] <sam_2> Loving Ubuntu-mate
[11:58] <Darth_Diggler> i can but its been running for 1hr
[11:58] <EriC^^> i wouldn't trust it to rebuild anything, especially not a proprietary closed source fs like ntfs
[11:58] <Darth_Diggler> ok ill stop it an run that again
[11:59] <ppf> bubu_: so it's a question about how graphite works
[11:59] <Jakey3> what does "set -e" do?
[11:59] <EriC^^> Darth_Diggler: try to mount the partition and see what you get, use "df -h" to see if it's actually empty or not
[11:59] <EriC^^> Jakey3: it means exit on any error
[12:00] <bubu_> ppf: Not really no, Graphite is using a standard python regex here.
[12:00] <Jakey3> EriC^^,  thanks
[12:00] <EriC^^> Jakey3: np
[12:00] <ppf> bubu_: well, not exactly
[12:00] <ppf> python's re.sub takes a count argument
[12:00] <sam_2> how do i install icon theme in mate?
[12:00] <Darth_Diggler> ok its still already mounted and dont seem to be able to unmount it to run that command
[12:01] <Darth_Diggler> eve thou closed gparted
[12:01] <EriC^^> Darth_Diggler: what's shown in "df -h" (pertaining to it) ?
[12:01] <bubu_> @ppf this is re.search IIRC
[12:02] <ppf> all the matching functions do
[12:03] <Darth_Diggler> sorry what do you mean whats showen in df -h
[12:04] <EriC^^> Darth_Diggler: /dev/sda2        92G   32G   56G  37% /mnt
[12:04] <EriC^^> for instance
[12:05] <Darth_Diggler> size 1.6gb used 4.4m availible 1,6gb
[12:05] <Darth_Diggler> 0 %
[12:05] <ppf> bubu_: so, that's probably a question for #python. but try this pattern: r'_(.*)$'
[12:05] <Darth_Diggler> sorry 1%
[12:05] <EriC^^> what does sudo parted -l show regarding the partition?
[12:06] <Ben64> i don't like how python does regex
[12:06] <bubu_> @ppf OK thanks, that matches the first underscore _and_ everything after, which is not quite what I want
[12:06] <bubu_> @Ben64 me neither, this is harder than it should be.
[12:06] <ppf> bubu_: it is
[12:06] <ppf> Ben64: why not?
[12:06] <Ben64> it's greedy
[12:07] <bubu_> @ppf "it is" what?
[12:07] <ppf> as in longest match instead of shortest?
[12:07] <Ben64> yes
[12:07] <ppf> bubu_: it is what you want
[12:07] <Ben64> hard to get it to undo that
[12:07] <bubu_> @ppf It isn't. Check http://pythex.org with a string of "foo.bar-1.baz_badger.bob_foo.bar.badger.bla	 "
[12:08] <ppf> Ben64: well * is a greedy quantifier, yes. but you also have non-greedy versions: *?
[12:08] <BluesKaj> no need for @ on irc
[12:08] <Darth_Diggler> if i do lsblk it says it 1.8t
[12:08] <ppf> bubu_: you're not matching, you're replacing.
[12:09] <ppf> so sub() my pattern with @\1 replaces the first underscore with @
[12:09] <bubu_> @ppf if you look at the Graphite link I am using a function `aliasSub(seriesList, search, replace) `
[12:09] <ppf> yes, i read that
[12:09] <bubu_> so I need the search. I can then replace
[12:10] <ppf> the "Sub" kinda gives it away, no
[12:10] <ppf> ?
[12:11] <Darth_Diggler> sudo parted -l says its 2000gb ntfs
[12:11] <excelly2k1> hi
[12:12] <excelly2k1> hi
[12:12] <bubu_> @ppf why would I need "r'_(.*)$'" when it is looking for a search pattern?
[12:12] <excelly2k1> make: execvp: /bin/bash: Argument list too long
[12:12] <EriC^^> Darth_Diggler: ok, give photorec a go
[12:12] <EriC^^> excelly2k1: what are you trying to install? might be in the repos
[12:12] <excelly2k1> i am on ubuntu 16.04
[12:12] <ppf> bubu_: because it does what you need
[12:13] <Darth_Diggler> the prob with photrec is ganna now need another 2tb drive lol
[12:13] <excelly2k1> while compiling android rom from source i got the error "make: execvp: /bin/bash: Argument list too long"
[12:13] <ppf> Darth_Diggler: just throw out the drive and restore from backup?
[12:13] <EriC^^> Darth_Diggler: yeah
[12:13] <EriC^^> there's a good chance you'll get a lot of the stuff back though
[12:13] <bubu_> @ppf it doesn't.
[12:14] <Darth_Diggler> I guess i could try photrec to a smaller drive if that works ill buy another 2tb drive
[12:14] <ppf> bubu_: why not? details please
[12:14] <Darth_Diggler> ppf nice troll lol
[12:14] <EriC^^> then maybe try gparted or windows tools like chkdsk and maybe it can fix it and you'll have the dir structure and filenames and everything back
[12:15] <ppf> Darth_Diggler: not particularily. unbackuped data is data you don't need
[12:15] <excelly2k1> hi
[12:15] <excelly2k1> anybody pl respond
[12:16] <EriC^^> excelly2k1: what are you trying to install? might be in the repos
[12:16] <bubu_> lol @ppf
[12:16] <bubu_> @Ben64 did you have any luck?
[12:16] <EriC^^> excelly2k1: oh nevermind
[12:16] <Ben64> bubu_: no it's annoying ha
[12:16] <excelly2k1> @Eric  rom compiling error
[12:16] <Darth_Diggler> ppf Im trying to fix the drive for a friend that doesnt have a backup I keep all my data in 3 places so trying to troll me wont work
[12:17] <ppf> bubu_: did you actually try the pattern above
[12:17] <bubu_> Yup, didn't work.
[12:17] <ppf> Darth_Diggler: feel free to relay my trolling to your friend then
[12:17] <ppf> bubu_: details ...
[12:17] <Darth_Diggler> lol@ ppf
[12:17] <EriC^^> excelly2k1: this might help http://askubuntu.com/questions/652474/is-there-an-android-rom-flashing-utility-available-for-ubuntu-14-04
[12:17] <bubu_> @ppf as I said, it matches the first underscore, and everything after it.
[12:18] <ppf> yes, but you're not matching, you're substituting
[12:18] <Darth_Diggler> I already did she now has 3 drives which is handy coause I need one to try photorec
[12:18] <excelly2k1> @Eric I will try, thanks
[12:18] <EriC^^> excelly2k1: np
[12:18] <bubu_> @ppf Essentially the same as '_.*'
[12:18] <EriC^^> bubu_: what are you trying to do?
[12:19] <ppf> bubu_: yes, that is precisely the idea
[12:20] <bubu_> @ppf I _do not_ want to to match anything after the first '_'. I want to to match exactly and only the first '_'
[12:20] <bubu_> I am trying to get a regex to match the first and only underscore (_) in a string like 'foo.bar-1.baz_badger.bob_foo.bar.badger.bla	'. I want to use this for the search term passed to http://graphite.readthedocs.io/en/latest/functions.html#graphite.render.functions.aliasSub
[12:20] <excelly2k1> @EriC^^ I am building rom from the source for my mobile and i am getting the error "make: execvp: /bin/bash: Argument list too long" Pl help
[12:21] <ppf> bubu_: please read what i'm typing? you're _not_ matching. you're substituting.
[12:21] <EriC^^> bubu_: what do you want to get out of foo.bar-1.baz_badger.bob_foo.bar.badger.bla ?
[12:21] <EriC^^> i didnt quite understand
[12:21] <EriC^^> you want to get back the "foo.bar-1.baz" ?
[12:21] <Ben64> EriC^^: _
[12:21] <Ben64> just one, the first one
[12:21] <ppf> i wrote everything you need to solve this above. use it or don't
[12:22] <Flannel> bubu_: *only* the first underscore?  Then your regexp is /_/
[12:22] <Ben64> Flannel: see thats what i said
[12:22] <Flannel> Ben64: yes.
[12:22] <Ben64> but not in python
[12:22] <Flannel> Ben64: or sed, or perl, or whatever, but yes.
[12:22] <ppf> EriC^^, Ben64, Flannel: he's using a python library that's calling re.sub() which replaces all the matches unless you tell it not to, which apparently that library can't
[12:23] <Ben64> according to this site http://pythex.org/ python matches all occurrences
[12:23] <bubu_> ^^ that.
[12:23] <Ben64> my conclusion = don't use python
[12:23] <bubu_> @Flannel that matches _all_
[12:23] <Ben64> but that doesn't really help this situation
[12:23] <bubu_> @Ben64 I don't have option.
[12:24] <BluesKaj> bubu_, @ isn't needed on irc
[12:24] <Flannel> bubu_: Ok, I'm more than happy to walk you through this, but this is definitely not an Ubuntu support question.  Can you please head to #ubuntu-offtopic?
[12:24] <ppf> Flannel: i told him the solution alread, he doesn't like it
[12:24] <ppf> +y
[12:25] <Flannel> ppf: kinda.  There's another few alternatives.  Either way, it's offtopic for #ubuntu
[12:25] <tzfrs> Hi guys, I just upgraded to Ubuntu 16.10 but don't have a network connection anymore. It says "No network devices available". Is this a driver issue?
[12:25] <bubu_> ppf: because it doesn't work.
[12:25] <bubu_> Flannel: sure, moving over.
[12:25] <mguellsegarra> tzfrs: probably
[12:25] <ppf> 'doesn't work' is not an error description
[12:26] <tzfrs> mguellsegarra: How do I find out? Reinstall 16.04 and check it out?
[12:26] <mguellsegarra> tzfrs: check for your network card chipset at dmesg output
[12:26] <mguellsegarra> tzfrs: do you know the kind of network card?
[12:26] <tzfrs> One sec, have to reboot the laptop.
[12:26] <ppf> tzfrs: how are you connecting to the network? nm?
[12:27] <mguellsegarra> what does nm stand for?
[12:27] <ppf> networkmanager
[12:27] <EriC^^> excelly2k1: read thoroughly http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9595961/argument-list-too-long-android-2-2-3-r1-build-failed
[12:27] <tatertots> tzfrs: did you at least reboot?
[12:28] <tzfrs> I just did
[12:28] <EriC^^> excelly2k1: also a thread said it can be fixed in the Makefile by using a foreach macro, i've no idea what that means though
[12:28] <tzfrs> I just need to find the network card in the dmesg output
[12:28] <tzfrs> one sec
[12:30] <rare> Hello everybody, I am sorry to interrupt you guys. Does anyone know a small and nice python or C# project to contribute to?
[12:30] <tzfrs> I can't really find it. Wen I use `dmesg | grep eth0` I don't find anything.
[12:30] <tzfrs> What should I search for especially to find it?
[12:30] <excelly2k1> @EriC^^ I also gone through that a small tweak of make file by adding a for each macro. But no explanation
[12:30] <EriC^^> rare: there's a package that might help, sudo apt-get install how-can-i-help
[12:30] <EriC^^> excelly2k1: yeah :|
[12:31] <ppf> tzfrs: how are you connecting to the network? nm?
[12:31] <EriC^^> excelly2k1: maybe the guys in #programming might know what you can modify?
[12:31] <tzfrs> @pff, yes
[12:31] <tzfrs> I already tried to restart the service, with no luck
[12:31] <tzfrs> @ppf* Sorry :p
[12:31] <EriC^^> or maybe ##linux excelly2k1 ?
[12:32] <mguellsegarra> tzfrs: model of computer? do you know the network card chipset?
[12:32] <ppf> tzfrs: what's in your /etc/interfaces?
[12:32] <ppf> sorry, /etc/network/interfaces
[12:32] <tzfrs> No I don't know it. I got an Dell XPS 9360 Developer Edition (Ubuntu preinstalled)
[12:33] <tzfrs> @ppf First line is a comment and then "auto lo" newline "iface lo inet loopback"
[12:33] <tzfrs> It worked on Ubuntu 16.04 without problems so I just assume it's a driver problem.
[12:34] <excelly2k1> @EriC^^ i am on ubuntu 16.04 LTS, kerner# 4.10.0-999-generic
[12:35] <mguellsegarra> tzfrs: it's a wifi network card?
[12:35] <tzfrs> Yeah, I don't have a possibility to connect it via cable (except for USB-C, but I don't have a cable for that)
[12:35] <mguellsegarra> k
[12:36] <ppf>  dmesg | grep wl
[12:36] <tzfrs> I don't like dell btw, dunno if it's relevant
[12:36] <tzfrs> @ppf I get three lines of ACPI Errors
[12:36] <mguellsegarra> tzfrs: your wifi network card is an Intel 8265
[12:36] <ppf> paste please?
[12:36] <tzfrs> Namespace lookup failure, AE_NOT_FOUND
[12:36] <mguellsegarra> you can also search for that in dmesg output
[12:36] <tzfrs> Wait, I type it completely
[12:36] <tzfrs> sec
[12:37] <mguellsegarra> dmesg | grep 8265 ?
[12:37] <tzfrs> no output mguellsegarra
[12:37] <mguellsegarra> k...
[12:37] <tzfrs> One sec, I'll copy the contents of the other command
[12:37] <mguellsegarra> which version of ubuntu are you running?
[12:38] <mguellsegarra> 16.10 ?
[12:39] <tzfrs> [0.031364] ACPI Error: [\_SB_.PCI0.SAT1] Namespace lookup failure, AE_NOT_FOUND (20160422/dswload-210) [37.011520] ACPI Error: [SPRT] Namespace lookup failure, AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20160422/dswload-210) [607.234058] ACPI Error: [SPRT] Namespace lookup failure, AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20160422/dswload-210)
[12:39] <tzfrs> Sorry if there are typos, had to type it from hand
[12:39] <tzfrs> mguellsegarra: Yes, when I was on 16.04 it worked without problems
[12:40] <tzfrs> I just wanted to update to 16.10 because the Dell support said Ubuntu 16.04 doesn't support USB-Type-C and I will not be able to connect a monitor with 16.04
[12:40] <mguellsegarra> I've been searching a little, and I found the opposite
[12:40] <tzfrs> Now on 16.10 I can connect a second monitor, but don't have network now
[12:40] <mguellsegarra> your card is not supported on 16.04 but it is supported on 16.10
[12:40] <mguellsegarra> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2340679&page=2&p=13560390
[12:40] <tzfrs> strange
[12:40] <mguellsegarra> Ubuntu 16.10 works fine with this wireless card.
[12:41] <mguellsegarra> also... did you upgrade 16.04 to 16.10, or clean install?
[12:41] <tzfrs> I upgraded
[12:41] <ppf> lsmod | grep iwlwifi
[12:41] <flux242> could somebody pls explain why parallel package has deps to sysstat? If I want to calculate something in parallel why do I need some system statistics to be collected, huh?
[12:41] <mguellsegarra> there's a guy in askubuntu that says
[12:42] <hateball> tzfrs: if you run "dmesg" do you see any errors? may be some missing firmware or such
[12:42] <mguellsegarra> http://askubuntu.com/questions/853103/intel-wireless-8265
[12:42] <mguellsegarra> Did a clean install of 16.10 (benefit of a test machine), and everything is working :-)
[12:42] <tzfrs> lsmod | grep iwlwifi -> no output
[12:42] <tzfrs> mguellsegarra: I could try that
[12:42] <mguellsegarra> that's not a solution indeed... but....
[12:42] <ppf> modprobe iwlwifi && iwconfig
[12:43] <tzfrs> lo no wireless extensions.
[12:43] <tzfrs> hateball: Yeah, I got some errors
[12:43] <tzfrs> But don't know if they have to do sth. with this problem
[12:43] <tzfrs> And I can't really copy them^^
[12:43] <hateball> Perhaps it would be helpful if you pasted them and showed us
[12:44] <hateball> tzfrs: no ethernet?
[12:44] <mguellsegarra> he's probably on another computer... hard to copy paste then
[12:44] <ppf> also paste lshw please
[12:44] <tzfrs> Correct
[12:44] <hateball> redirect to file, copy over usb?
[12:44] <mguellsegarra> only supported through a usb ethernet adaptor
[12:44] <tzfrs> Well, I could try reinstalling Ubuntu 16.04 again, see if the second monitor works, and if not, I would do a clean install of Ubuntu 16.10?
[12:45] <mguellsegarra> I probably go with the second option, clean install of 16.10
[12:45] <tzfrs> I could try that first.
[12:45] <mguellsegarra> but actually you can try to paste what hateball and ppf are looking for
[12:45] <tzfrs> what was that?
[12:45] <tzfrs> lshw?
[12:47] <hateball> tzfrs: dmesg should show errors trying to load firmware for iwlwifi
[12:48] <tzfrs> Ok, I'll just extract both, one second please
[12:48] <mguellsegarra> ;)
[12:49] <excelly2k1> @EriC^^
[12:50] <tzfrs> http://pastebin.com/9ecLnG5w
[12:50] <kernelseeker11> Hi, I have some questions on installing  custombuilt kernel on Ubuntu 16.04
[12:50] <tzfrs> lshw output
[12:50] <kernelseeker11> is this the right place for that
[12:50] <kernelseeker11> ?
[12:50] <tzfrs> dmesg coming, one sec
[12:50] <hateball> tzfrs: right, so it's not an intel card at all
[12:50] <excelly2k1> how to change MAX_ARG_STRLEN (PAGE_SIZE * 32) to MAX_ARG_STRLEN (PAGE_SIZE * 64)
[12:51] <tzfrs> http://pastebin.com/xDni6hTq
[12:51] <tzfrs> dmesg
[12:51] <tzfrs> is it
[12:51] <tzfrs>  product: QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter                 vendor: Qualcomm Atheros
[12:51] <tzfrs> ?
[12:51] <hateball> Yes
[12:53] <hateball> tzfrs: if you can read the dmesg log it should state which firmware it expects to load, and you can grab that and copy into /lib manually
[12:53] <hateball> if you can transfer a file in some mnaner
[12:53] <hateball> manner*
[12:53] <tzfrs> tbh I can't read it. WHat do I need to look fore?
[12:54] <hateball> tzfrs: grep for "ath" should match something I'd think
[12:54] <tzfrs> Nope, no output
[12:55] <tzfrs> neither with sudo nor without
[12:55] <hateball> tzfrs: or simpler yet, grab http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/linux-firmware and install it
[12:55] <hateball> and that should with some luck solve your woes
[12:56] <excelly2k1> any body pl help how to change #define MAX_ARG_STRLEN (PAGE_SIZE * 32) to  #define MAX_ARG_STRLEN (PAGE_SIZE * 64) compile and install the kernel and reboot.
[12:56] <tzfrs> I try
[12:57] <tzfrs> I had this installed already
[12:57] <tzfrs> But in version 1.161.1
[12:57] <tzfrs> He said he's downgrading to 1.161
[12:58] <tzfrs> Still no connection, even after relogging and restarting the network-manager
[13:01] <hateball> tzfrs: right, just dump your entire dmesg here for us to read then
[13:01] <hateball> by here I mean pastebin ofc
[13:01] <tzfrs> i did hateball
[13:01] <tzfrs> http://pastebin.com/xDni6hTq
[13:08] <tzfrs> the good news is
[13:08] <tzfrs> Daisy Chaining works
[13:08] <Sam54> How much time does zero-day vulnerabilities can take to be fixed on the stable branch ? Months ? Days ? Weeks ?
[13:09] <k1l_> Sam54: that depends on a lot of factors. do you have a CVE?
[13:09] <Sam54> Cve ? (Non native, french)
[13:10] <k1l_> cve nubers are given to known security issues. thna one can track them if their OS or Program got that  fixed.
[13:11] <Sam54> No. I just listened about a minor vulnerability which could drastically affect my infrastructure. It is not reported yet and I would like to know if it will be fixed soon or I need to make my own patch ^^
[13:12] <k1l_> Sam54: as i already said that cant be answered in general
[13:13] <OerHeks> Sam54, report it, and it will be fixed?
[13:13] <k1l_> !bug | Sam54
[13:14] <k1l_> Sam54: file a bug against the package, explain and link the CVE in there, then the maintainer knows about it.
[13:15] <tzfrs> hateball: Did you find anything?
[13:16] <tzfrs> Or should I just reinstall Ubuntu 16.10 with a fresh install
[13:16] <hateball> tzfrs: can you do "sudo modprobe ath10k" ?
[13:17] <Sam54> The problem is I only know consequences of the vulnerability. @k1l_ I can't reproduce it, I only know it is based on a user specific behavior.
[13:17] <hateball> tzfrs: because it doesnt even seem to try and load your wifi chip from what I can tell
[13:17] <tzfrs> FATAL
[13:17] <tzfrs> Module ath10k not found in directory /lib/modules/4.8.0=32generic
[13:19] <k1l_> Sam54: i guess you should talk to the program in use and the ubuntu security team about making that a cve
[13:19] <tzfrs> hateball: My approach would be now to reinstall 16.04, see if network and daisy chaining works
[13:19] <tzfrs> If not, I would reinstall 16.10 from scratch
[13:19] <tzfrs> If that doesn't work either I could come back here again or just punch every dell employer in the face.
[13:19] <tzfrs> sorry
[13:20] <hateball> tzfrs: what does "dkms status" say?
[13:21] <tzfrs> hid-multitouch, intel-hid, intel-vubtton, oem-audio-hda-daily
[13:21] <tzfrs> Or do you need more information hateball ?
[13:21] <tzfrs> It's what I wrote but with some ersions and they all say "installed"
[13:21] <hateball> tzfrs: nah, just thinking if it had built modules for ath10k for an earlier kernel
[13:21] <hateball> and that dkms had failed for the kernel you are running now
[13:21] <Sam54> k1l_ : ok I'm going to email them. Thanks ... Have a nice day
[13:24] <tzfrs> hateball: I just got an USB stick with Ubuntu 16.04 - Do you think I should just install it?
[13:25] <xds> should I run ubuntu or ubuntu-mate on a pretty lowend laptop? I mean I want it to look good while still being able to do stuff without much lag
[13:25] <xds> don't care much about battery time
[13:25] <tzfrs> I mean, I don't really need 16.10. I just installed it because I thought on 16.04 USB-C doesn't work.
[13:25] <cfhowlett> xds, how much ram?
[13:25] <xds> 8gb
[13:26] <tzfrs> I don't even know if it's true or the Dell employee just talked out of his ass.
[13:26] <cfhowlett> xds, your choice.  rather than asking random internetz, install ubuntu, add the other DE's you are interested in and test for yourself
[13:26] <xds> is ubuntu like one of the best maintained distros out there now?
[13:27] <xds> any other distro that's more popular among veteran linux users?
[13:27] <cfhowlett> xds, we don't compare ubuntu to other distros.  your job to research such matters
[13:28] <xds> -.-
[13:31] <BluesKaj> xds, ask in ##linux
[13:31] <xds> ok
[13:31] <JP____> Is ubuntu an OS?
[13:31] <JP____> :p
[13:31] <cfhowlett> ask 1000 users, get 1000 different answers.
[13:31] <BluesKaj> JP____, yes
[13:32] <JP____> BluesKaj: was kind of a joke questoin
[13:32] <cfhowlett> if you have to explain the joke ..
[13:32] <JP____> It's friday and i'm tired, but i wanna do something usefull
[13:32] <JP____> What should i explore in lubuntu?
[13:33] <JP____> Exploration that i could learn something from
[13:33] <cfhowlett> errr, install it and see?
[13:33] <BluesKaj> JP____,  we get serious questions like yours all the time
[13:33] <JP____> I am already on a lubuntu machine
[13:33] <JP____> I am fairly good with the CLI
[13:33] <JP____> But i wanna get better
[13:33] <JP____> SuperUser better
[13:34] <JP____> Figure you guys are the pro's
[13:34] <cfhowlett> !fcm | JP____ choose a project and replicate it on lubuntu
[13:34] <JP____> cfhowlet: Awesome!!! thnx
[13:35] <cfhowlett> happy2help! JP____
[13:36] <hateball> tzfrs: I'd go with what's supported by Dell if you're not sure
[13:56] <royal_screwup21> Hey guys! :)
[13:56] <jake__> anyone hom
[13:57] <jake__> im home
[13:57] <jake__> hi
[13:57] <matt___> hi
[13:57] <matt___> for help with making usb--serial where should i ask?
[13:57] <royal_screwup21> What are the chat features allowed on the terminal?
[13:57] <jake__> do idk
[13:58] <cfhowlett> !usb  | matt__
[13:58] <matt___> !usb
[13:58] <matt___> man
[13:58] <matt___> i mean usb port--> emulated com serial port
[13:59] <matt___> like pl2303 drivers on windows
[13:59] <k1l_> !guidelines | royal_screwup21
[14:05] <aot> hi, do you know what is hte best way to delete the processes on an ubuntu server for a user that no longer exists in the system
[14:06] <cfhowlett> !server | aot server channel might be best place to ask
[14:06] <royal_screwup21> This is a rather vague question but: What are some of the coolest (and most useful) downloads you've ever made on the terminal? I'm a Linux newbie and was just wondering what else to download apart from the bare minimum (VLC, Browsers, etc.).
[14:06] <cfhowlett> too vague: #ubuntu-offtopic or better yet ...
[14:06] <k1l_> royal_screwup21: downloads? you mean package installs?
[14:06] <OerHeks> aot, log that user out? http://askubuntu.com/questions/12180/logging-out-other-users-from-the-command-line
[14:07] <cfhowlett> !fcm | royal_screwup21 lots of cool stuff to read
[14:07] <kernelseeker11> royal just google 10 things to do after ubuntu installation...
[14:07] <royal_screwup21> k1l_: Basically, yeah
[14:07] <OerHeks> aot, and non-existing users should not have running processes.. did you delete the user when it is active?
[14:08] <aot> OerHeks: yes
[14:08] <k1l_> royal_screwup21: there is a difference. on ubuntu you dont download stuff from website (like on windows) but you use the ubuntu package repos. but for the "best" and "most needed" discussions you better ask that in the offtopic channel since that is different from user to user
[14:08] <kernelseeker11> question
[14:08] <kernelseeker11> I built  kernel under ubuntu 16.04 for practice. For starters i just wanted to change the uname -r version string. Compiled fine, kernel runs, but version string is not shown.
[14:09] <Guest61157> #python
[14:09] <Guest61157> #java
[14:09] <kernelseeker11> So what I did is go to the Makefile in ubuntu-xenial/Makefile
[14:09] <kernelseeker11> and change EXTRAVERSION = mykerneltest1
[14:10] <kernelseeker11> but it didnt work. :( What could have gone wrong? SHould it not show that string under uname -a when booting that kernel?
[14:10] <aot> OerHeks: I guess there is some command killall for specific user... in this case when the user was deleted when he still had processes
[14:11] <aot> killall -u user maybe
[14:12] <ppf> aot: yes
[14:12] <OerHeks> aot, i don't know an other approach than restart the server, i have never deleted an active user without killing running processes
[14:18] <aot> ppf: or is there some better way to send some "pls quit" signal
[14:20] <ppf> no, kill is the tool for that
[14:21] <aot> maybe killall -s SIGSTOP
[14:22] <ppf> SIGTERM is the graceful one
[14:22] <ppf> (the default)
[14:24] <JP____> echo "Destroy -PC " > system.d
[14:24] <JP____> Should stop most annoying tasks
[14:31] <JP____> How do i check my os version again?
[14:32] <ppf> cat /etc/*-release
[14:32] <k1l_> lsb_release -a
[14:33] <Jakey3> is it bad practice to work from the SU account
[14:33] <Jakey3> ?
[14:33] <k1l_> yes
[14:34] <ppf> depends on what you work on. but as a rule of thumb, yes
[14:34] <Jakey3> so if you have several commands with sudo better to do it with sudo
[14:34] <Jakey3> than from root?
[14:34] <Jakey3> ok
[14:34] <JP____> And my init manager?
[14:35] <JP____> i try to do systemctl --version, but no response
[14:35] <JP____> Lubuntu 14.04 trusty tahr
[14:35] <k1l_> JP____: what ubuntu are you using exactly?
[14:35] <k1l_> JP____: 14.04 is using upstart
[14:35] <ppf> that's upstart
[14:35] <JP____> Thnx
[14:35] <BluesKaj> JP____, no systemd on 14.04
[14:36] <brahman> Hi, will https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/activemq/+bug/1646650 make it into ubuntu 16.04 ?  I am trying to use the activemq stomp connector with Mcollective but fails as the connector is no longer included in activemq
[14:36] <JP____> Does upstart suck?
[14:37] <k1l_> JP____: no, and we want to keep the language familyfriendly in here.
[14:37] <JP____> Ah, cause i am making a system that is supposed to stay alive for 10+ years (embedded)
[14:37] <JP____> And i want to be able to hot-plug modules
[14:37] <JP____> I see that newer versions of ubuntu are using systemd
[14:38] <k1l_> JP____: then dont start with 14.04 which only got 2 years support left
[14:38] <JP____> k1l_: i read about allot of bugs in 16.04
[14:38] <JP____> System won't need to update so often as the functionality won't change
[14:39] <JP____> Just want it to be nice and stable
[14:39] <k1l_> JP____: that is waht support is for. it will ship updates to fix security issues and heavy bugs
[14:39] <vlt> Hello. How can I get the current x and y screen resolution values in a bash script?
[14:39] <JP____> Yeah, but remote systems that break because of update :(
[14:39] <k1l_> vlt: arandr output and some regexp magic?
[14:39] <JP____> i was planning on keeping updates turned off
[14:39] <vlt> k1l_: Thanks
[14:40] <Raulwynn> Does anybody keep getting kicked and reconnected from server?
[14:40] <vlt> (In my case xrandr)
[14:40] <k1l_> JP____: ubuntu has a stable release tactic. so it doesnt change the versions on the release.
[14:40] <k1l_> JP____: and turning updates of is really a security issue. just look at ubuntu.com/usn what security updates you are missing then
[14:40] <vlt> No, arandr is an available front-end for xrandr :-)
[14:41] <k1l_> vlt: sorry meant xrandr for cli.
[14:41] <JP____> k1l_ i don't understand
[14:41] <JP____> You're telling me that it won't break if i allow updates?
[14:42] <k1l_> JP____: ist not a rolling release. its a stable release model. it wont change the version. it will just include the patches and stay on the old version.
[14:43] <vlt> k1l_: Yeah, just realized that. Thank you.
[14:43] <ppf> JP____: you should target systemd
[14:43] <k1l_> JP____: and if your system breaks, beause a security issue is fixed, then your system got issues anyway.
[14:43] <ppf> upstart is dead, and building systemd services is incredibly more simple
[14:43] <JP____> I am a noob, my system will definetly have issues :p
[14:54] <afidegnum> hello, what is the stable php verison should i install for my ubuntu 16.04 machine ?
[14:55] <k1l_> !info php
[14:55] <k1l_> !info php trusty
[14:55] <ikonia> is 5 in main in 16.04 or is 5 in one of the other repos
[14:55] <k1l_> !info php xenial
[14:55] <k1l_> 7.0 is in 16.04
[14:56] <k1l_> ikonia: ubuntu changed from 5 to 7 in 16.04
[14:58] <ikonia> yeah, I know they changed default
[14:58] <ikonia> but 5 is included
[14:58] <ikonia> (I'm wondering where, main ?)
[14:58] <hyugds> i want  to convert my existing Ubuntu installation to a bootable iso file that can be installed in  virtual box, HOW ?
[14:59] <k1l_> ikonia: no. only thing i saw was ppas
[15:00] <EriC^^> hyugds: how big is the hdd that has ubuntu?
[15:01] <hyugds> EriC^^: Tolal  72,3 GiB
[15:01] <ikonia> k1l_: I'll have a look as I was sure it was in universe or something, but I've never looked properly
[15:02] <hyugds>   EriC^^ : free space left 47,2 GB
[15:02] <EriC^^> hyugds: aha
[15:02] <hyugds> EriC^^; can i do it ?
[15:04] <EriC^^> hyugds: yeah
[15:04] <EriC^^> hyugds: how big do you want the hdd for virtualbox?
[15:05] <hyugds> EriC^^ ; 20 gb is fine i think
[15:06] <hyugds> EriC^^: i want to install it in a virtula box I have in other windows 10 machine
[15:06] <EriC^^> hyugds: aha
[15:07] <hyugds> EriC^^ ; actually i want to take this ubuntu installation with all its files and configuration and boot it in the virtual box in the other windows machine !
[15:08] <hyugds> EriC^^ : so i can give it  90 GB in hdd
[15:08] <hyugds> EriC^^; do u understand me ?
[15:08] <EriC^^> hyugds: yeah
[15:09] <raub> Who started vboxsvc in 16.04?
[15:09] <EriC^^> ok, there's just 1 part i don't know how to do
[15:09] <EriC^^> 1 sec
[15:09] <hyugds> ok
[15:09] <raub> service --status-all is not being particularly helpful
[15:11] <Hulio> hi guys, how to do sftp to an ip with custom port number?
[15:11] <Hulio> syntax?
[15:13] <k1l_> Hulio: for cli programs you want to know about manpages. "man sftp" will tell you the possible options. so you dont need to join in here and ask but can look hat up on your own quickly
[15:13] <Hulio> man
[15:13] <Hulio> can't you just tell it
[15:14] <k1l_> Hulio: we want you to learn that so you can handle that on you own. a simple "man sftp" would tell you that there is the -P setting.
[15:15] <genii> Hulio: Since it uses ssh, the server port needs to be set in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file. Then to use a specific port with sftp use the -P switch
[15:15] <hyugds> EriC^^: I want to know how to make of my existing ubuntu phisicale machine to a ubuntu.vmdk file ????
[15:17] <Hulio> this is what i have # What ports, IPs and protocols we listen for
[15:17] <Hulio> Port 22
[15:17] <Hulio> so it is port 22
[15:17] <k1l_> that is the standard ssh port
[15:18] <EriC^^> hyugds: 1 sec, does it need to be vmdk or just a disk file (like a cloned disk .img) ?
[15:19] <genii> Hulio: If your ssh is running on the usual port of 22 then you don't need to do anything special with sftp, it will just work without specifying a port
[15:19] <Hulio> genii, thanks, now it ask for password....i type in the right password
[15:19] <Hulio> it said permisson denied
[15:19] <Hulio> weird, i do login with a user and password when i login to ubuntu
[15:20] <Hulio> is sftp use different user/pass need to setup?
[15:20] <raub> Hulio: can you ssh into machine without an issue?
[15:21] <hyugds> EriC^^ ; am fine with an .img or .iso since u can also run it on VB
[15:21] <k1l_> Hulio: its the user and password from the user on that server. not on your local machine
[15:21] <EriC^^> hyugds: ok
[15:21] <Hulio> yes it is
[15:21] <Hulio> weird
[15:22] <Hulio> i login with it
[15:22] <Hulio> ok how to sftp with different user ?
[15:23] <raub> Hulio: check your .ssh dir and the opensshd_config for weirdness
[15:23] <Hulio> sftp ip -Pmyport  -u?
[15:23] <Hulio> well tell me how to sftp with a user
[15:23] <EriC^^> hyugds: ok, type "fallocate -l 90G disk.img"
[15:24] <Hulio> raub, no mather what user i used, permission denied
[15:25] <hyugds> hyugds : do that on my ubuntu machine right ? that only has 72 gb ?
[15:25] <EriC^^> hyugds: you need to do it on a pc that you can connect the ubuntu device to, to copy the data over
[15:26] <raub> Hulio: so you are able to ssh but not scp or sftp?
[15:27] <hyugds> EriC^^;ok so can i use my linux machine installed in vb it has like 95gb ?
[15:28] <hyugds>  EriC^^: but how to connect it with my old ubuntu machine ?
[15:29] <EriC^^> hyugds: can you get the ubuntu machine to a pc that has 90G free space?
[15:30] <hyugds> EriC^^; yes but how i never done that before how ? what do i need ?
[15:31] <hyugds> EriC^^ I have a pc with over 90 gb free space then what  ?
[15:31] <k1l_> Hulio: user@ip
[15:32] <MichaelP> speedtest-cli and http://www.speedtest.net/ has a big difference in speeds... speedtest-cli giving me Download: 8.18 Mbit/s when speedtest.net giving 18.99 Mbps
[15:33] <EriC^^> hyugds: ok attach the ubuntu hdd to it
[15:33] <EriC^^> and boot a live usb on it
[15:34] <EriC^^> hyugds: you will be doing this later?
[15:34] <hyugds> EriC^^; yes
[15:34] <EriC^^> hyugds: ok, i'll outline the steps in a pastebin
[15:35] <hyugds> EriC^^: great thank you !!
[15:35] <EriC^^> hyugds: do you know how to use sudo parted -l and mount a given partition?
[15:35] <hyugds> EriC^^: no i dont
[15:35] <EriC^^> ok
[15:36] <[twisti]> i have an old LTS 12 sitting around that i would care to upgrade by throwing it away and doing a fresh install of LTS 16. but it is on an online root server to which i only have limited access through a web console, ao i cant just plug in a USB drive to back up some larger files. i was thinking maybe i could resize the existing partition, make a new one as a backup drive, and then flush the
[15:36] <[twisti]> old system, leaving the backup partition intact. is that a realistic plan to do on a live system ?
[15:36] <[twisti]> CAN you even resize partitions in linux ?
[15:37] <JP____> That is a pretty realistic plan
[15:37] <[twisti]> awesome
[15:37] <JP____> The only thing, how do you login after reboot?
[15:37] <modp> When I boot from Ubuntu 16.04 media, as soon as I select "Install Ubuntu" and hit Enter, I no longer get any video output.
[15:39] <[twisti]> JP____: they provide a web console thing to install new OSs, and once the OSs are up, i can just ssh in
[15:39] <JP____> SSH only?
[15:40] <JP____> No VNC or remote access to a DE?
[15:40] <[twisti]> no, the server is headless
[15:40] <[twisti]> i dont know what a DE is
[15:40] <JP____> Desktop environment
[15:40] <[twisti]> ah, then no, doesnt even have X installed
[15:41] <JP____> Why upgrade to 16.04 if you don't even x?
[15:41] <ppf> JP____: because ubuntu is more than X
[15:41] <[twisti]> because 12 is EOLd
[15:42] <JP____> twisti: ppf can help you out, it's about time to go home for me
[15:42] <[twisti]> thanks
[15:42] <k1l_> JP____: X is not a reason for 16.04. that is not related at all
[15:43] <k1l_> [twisti]: look if your hoster got a recovery console that allows repartitioning.
[15:43] <JP____> k1l_ my point is, that if your running headless your application doesn't really need that much
[15:43] <[twisti]> it has a rescue console, i wanted to make sure that kind of thing was even possible before i went to do research on how to do
[15:43] <k1l_> JP____: yes, servers dont have X running. but if your system is EOL, that is a total different issue than running X or no X
[15:45] <k1l_> [twisti]: that really depends on the setup the hoster allows you. you cant resize the partitions while the OS is using it. and then you still need to be able to install a OS on your own there. some hosters only allow hoster prebuild images to be installed.
[15:45] <EriC^^> hyugds: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23792772/
[15:46] <[twisti]> yeah im reading about their stuff now, ill get back if i have any questions
[15:46] <EriC^^> i'm not so sure about everything, i'll read it again right now, the commands have "*" before them, and just something to do has a "-"
[15:47] <EriC^^> hyugds: the partitions will be different, like the disk with 90G might be /dev/sdb1 and the partition that has ubuntu might be /dev/sdc1
[15:48] <hyugds> EriC^^: ok
[15:48] <EriC^^> the "Disk /dev/sdX" says the name
[15:50] <EriC^^> hyugds: i found a mistake
[15:50] <EriC^^> let me correct it and give you a new link
[15:50] <hyugds> EriC^^ : Ok thanks
[15:50] <EriC^^> hyugds: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23792793/
[15:51] <EriC^^> hyugds: it's a legacy install of ubuntu right?
[15:52] <EriC^^> (not uefi)
[15:52] <hyugds> EriC^^ ; yes
[15:52] <EriC^^> ok
[15:53] <KingsQuest> if you in uk you can reinstall your kernel on biggest UK mirror in 20 minutes or netinstall for that "Debian Jessie" 900 days thing that was once Shenmue.  record history breaker.
[15:53] <KingsQuest> just the kernel
[15:54] <KingsQuest> i think lubuntu 16.04 is the final one of that, if my friend is right.
[16:04] <moothecow> Hi, just installed 16.04.1 LTS on a vmware VM. Normally I needed to install open-vm-tools for the vmware tools, but the vmware gui already says they're running. Are they part of systemd or something?
[16:07] <dranzer>  /msg NickServ identify King_297
[16:08] <nicomachus> heh. might wanna change that password...
[16:09] <cajhne> oops. lol
[16:10] <cajhne> Does anyone know what the history-daemon process is, and why it's using 25% of my processor on Ubuntu 16.10?
[16:12] <ppf> !info history-service
[16:12] <ppf> A service to record the messages that are sent and received and the calls that are made in the Ubuntu Touch platform. This package contains the history service daemon that watches for Telepathy events and stores.
[16:13] <MarcoP> how secure is locking a screen in ubuntu while away?
[16:13] <hosified> MarcoP: that's a loaded question.
[16:13] <MarcoP> true
[16:14] <MarcoP> can a pc be cloned while in lock screen mode?
[16:14] <MarcoP> or are there way to unlock the screen without a password that are well known?
[16:14] <hosified> MarcoP: there are multiple attack vectors to a workstation, such as somebody remote
[16:14] <ppf> if you've got phyisical access do a machine you can do anything
[16:14] <ppf> *to
[16:14] <hosified> ppf: ^
[16:15] <MarcoP> not really not to a shutdown encrypted machine
[16:15] <ppf> *physical
[16:15] <MarcoP> with a strong password
[16:15] <ppf> sure. flash a malicios firmware into the bios or the keyboard
[16:15] <MarcoP> i know you can install a key logger but im not really talking about that
[16:15] <MarcoP> yes you could
[16:15] <ppf> *malicious. what the heck ...
[16:16] <hosified> ppf: finger fail
[16:16] <ppf> and hard!
[16:16] <hosified> lol
[16:16] <MarcoP> how would you flash a bios while its running with lockscreen?
[16:16] <hosified> MarcoP: an encrypted workstation with only you as the user who knows the root passwords and all that is pretty secure
[16:16] <ppf> pull the plug
[16:16] <hosified> but a lockscreen might have bypass vulnerabilities
[16:17] <MarcoP> ppf then its in a encrypted state
[16:17] <hosified> MarcoP: that doesn't mean that the key cannot be brute forced or captured during a live running period.  But it's secure enough
[16:17] <ppf> like, hold the return key in gnome-screensaver
[16:17] <MarcoP> i understand hosified i guess I was seeing if there were easy ways to bypass not really james bond ways :)
[16:18] <MarcoP> i know the fbi could get past it
[16:18] <hosified> as I said, loaded question
[16:18] <hosified> :P
[16:18] <MarcoP> :)
[16:18] <MarcoP> i know
[16:18] <MarcoP> lol
[16:18] <ppf> yes, beat you with a socket wrench until you unlock it
[16:18] <MarcoP> i wanted to see if any 2 year old could bypass it :)
[16:19] <hosified> your pr0n collection should be safe
[16:19] <MarcoP> rofl
[16:19] <MarcoP> i don't save porn on my pc
[16:19] <MarcoP> thanks though
[16:19] <MarcoP> lol
[16:19] <ppf> what is this, 1995?
[16:19] <ppf> browser history, on the other hand ...
[16:19] <hosified> ppf: us old timers are paranoid streamers
[16:20] <MarcoP> when i was watching porn i streamed up...i don't understand some of these dummies who like to save porn on a pc espcecially if its illegal
[16:20] <hosified> dns cache on the other hand :)
[16:20] <MarcoP> some of these pedos save all kinds of pedo porn for the feds to get a easy conviction
[16:21] <MarcoP> hosified tor :)
[16:21] <MarcoP> or tails
[16:21] <MarcoP> but i don't watch child porn
[16:21] <hosified> ok this conversation has taken a turn - i'm out ...lol
[16:21] <ppf> maybe it's time to return to topic
[16:21] <MarcoP> lol
[16:21]  * hosified is glad that's over
[16:21] <MarcoP> lol
[16:24] <Jakey3> created a user with sudo useradd --create-home -c "Bamboo role account" bamboo
[16:24] <cajhne> ppf: Do you know if it's expected behaviour for the history-service to be using that much processor?
[16:24] <cajhne> I'm happy to uninstall it, however, it may be more useful to report the bug (if it is one)
[16:25] <Jakey3> ignore above
[16:25] <ppf> cajhne: no idea
[16:25] <ppf> not using ubuntu touch
[16:26] <cajhne> I didn't even know I was using ubuntu touch... lol
[16:30] <daciane> hi
[16:30] <cajhne> hi. :)
[16:31] <dn`> what partition tool ships with the server installation while installing on the console? can’t find fdisk, cfdisk parted - is there anything else?
[16:31] <zhou_xingyu>  someone can tell me how to creat zfs pool mirror by uuid
[16:32] <zhou_xingyu> not /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2
[16:32] <OerHeks> dn`, parted should be available > sudo parted -l
[16:32] <ppf> dn`: i'm convinced fdisk is part of the server install
[16:33] <OerHeks> fdisk uses a gui, iirc
[16:33] <dn`> both return  not found ;-)
[16:33] <ppf> no
[16:33] <dn`> I’m also sure I used it before
[16:33] <ppf> did you look in sbin?
[16:34] <dn`> yeap, everywhere
[16:34] <dn`> let me run find
[16:34] <franz_> hello
[16:35] <dn`> hm, something is bogus with the installation they are in /media/sda - but running them triggers missing lib errors
[16:35] <ppf> don't you have apt during install?
[16:35] <ppf> just install it
[16:35] <dn`> hmhm, maybe maybe
[16:35] <dn`> I went to early to the console
[16:35] <dn`> and it still needs to install the tools ;-)
[16:36] <k1l_> zhou_xingyu: you mean change to uuids?
[16:36] <zhou_xingyu> https://zefr.wordpress.com/2012/04/28/69/
[16:36] <LoboVerde> hello all!
[16:36] <zhou_xingyu> no I face the same question like this
[16:37] <zhou_xingyu> zfs will disappear when I put a usb before ubuntu started.So the sda,sdb,sdc will change
[16:37] <zhou_xingyu> I have lost my data
[16:37] <k1l_> zhou_xingyu: that is why one uses uuids. yes
[16:38] <zhou_xingyu> k1l_, but I don't know how to do it
[16:38] <momken> heloo
[16:39] <momken> I have question above behavior of pkcon
[16:39] <zhou_xingyu> k1l_, how to creat a zfs pool mirror by using uuid rather than dev/sda1 dev/sda2
[16:39] <k1l_> zhou_xingyu: your blogpost said what to do
[16:39] <momken> Has anyone here worked with pkcon before?
[16:39] <zhou_xingyu> k1l_, I don't understand
[16:39] <k1l_> zhou_xingyu: on creation use uuids instead of device files
[16:39] <zhou_xingyu> the blog
[16:39] <zhou_xingyu> k1l_, I try it
[16:40] <k1l_> zhou_xingyu: the blog is for changing from dev files to uuids. if you want to make a new pool then use uuids
[16:40] <zhou_xingyu> sudo zpool create Zhou-Data-pool mirror /dev/disk/by-id/52713262-fe7a-4b99-a0dd-2f577827ba92 /dev/disk/by-id/f1fb8ed4-3ed7-4b3d-b7bf-0dd0429a064a
[16:40] <zhou_xingyu> [sudo] zhou_xingyu 的密码：
[16:40] <zhou_xingyu> cannot resolve path '/dev/disk/by-id/52713262-fe7a-4b99-a0dd-2f577827ba92'
[16:41] <zhou_xingyu> I can not do it,I don't know why
[16:41] <momken> Does "pkcon install package" also install the packages recommended by the "package" or its dependancies?
[16:41] <k1l_> so that doesnt exist?
[16:41] <momken> apt-get install does install recommended packages
[16:42] <k1l_> zhou_xingyu: need to go afk, you can ask in #zfsonlinux too
[16:43] <zhou_xingyu> thank you
[16:45] <oditector> hello
[16:45] <cajhne> thanks ppf. I've uninstalled history-service. Saving me significant battery drain.
[16:46] <oditector> where do i feed the xbindkeys variable in the DE file? its .xinitrc for arch so for ubuntu which file?
[16:46] <oditector> so that on boot of DE it loads all that configs
[16:47] <oditector> and also for setxkbmap as i use that too?
[16:47] <oditector> which file?
[16:49] <oditector> anyone is active? or all are sleeping ?
[16:49] <akik> oditector: you can probably set your keyboard layout with some other method than with setxkbmap
[16:50] <prasanth> hi
[16:51] <akik> oditector: look into the settings app of your de
[16:58] <IhrFussel> Can compiz cause lots of lag on slower machines? If yes is there an alternative?
[16:59] <IhrFussel> Or can you disable compiz without destroying the menues?
[17:01] <CrazyTux> hello, needed some help.
[17:01] <ikonia> just ask
[17:01] <oditector> akik but which file is sourced when unity or gnome is run?
[17:02] <oditector> akik: can you direct me to a wiki?
[17:02] <oditector> ubuntu docs on this matter
[17:02] <oditector> so that i can do low level task behind the DE
[17:02] <CrazyTux> I wanted to install Sparky Linux which is a debian testing based distro in Virtual Box. I am using Xubuntu 16.04.1 now. My laptop has 4 gb RAM.
[17:02] <dr-dea> hello
[17:02] <oditector> as it's much more technical and close to the OS
[17:02] <diogenes_> hey guys when ubuntu is going to get rid of that top panel or at least make it customizable?
[17:03] <CrazyTux> How much RAM need to be allocated to the OS in Virtual Box?
[17:03] <pavlos> CrazyTux, use 1GB
[17:03] <ikonia> CrazyTux: ask the sparky linux guys
[17:03] <ikonia> CrazyTux: they will know the requirements for their OS
[17:04] <CrazyTux> ikonia, they don't have any channel like this.
[17:04] <timyp> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/preparing-to-install.html
[17:04] <timyp> mem requirements CrazyTux and there is also a chatroom for Xubuntu  #xubuntu
[17:05] <CrazyTux> I have been to the chatrooms of Xubuntu and Lubuntu. They are not as active as this.
[17:05] <ioria> oditector, for xbindkeys  you can check this : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KeyboardShortcuts#Text_Entry_Shortcuts .  For  xsetkbmap , i'am not sure what you mean
[17:05] <pavlos> CrazyTux, https://sparkylinux.org/wiki/doku.php/minimum_system_requirements
[17:06] <CrazyTux> guys, thanks a lot. This is the reason I installed an Ubuntu based distro. Good community support.
[17:07] <Raulwynn> I am connected to a router under a router under a router. The 1st router is connected to the 2nd router (Wireless access) then my computer is ethernet into the 3rd router. Can I use one of these routers to make my internet access hidden?
[17:07] <ppf> "hidden"?
[17:08] <Raulwynn> Uhm. I am not sure how to say it.
[17:08] <Raulwynn> I can't remember what it's called. Not TOR and not VPN
[17:09] <nicomachus> proxy
[17:10] <oditector> ioria: ok and from where is the DE loaded? which file, and all its settings? .bashrc so i can add xbindkeys to .bashrc too? or .bash_profile?
[17:10] <oditector> ioria: i was trying to undeerstand the internal working here, and yes i know i can use settings gui which is pretty easy
[17:11] <B0g4r7_> hai guyz.
[17:11] <B0g4r7_> Why is the ubuntu 16.04 server torrent I downloaded from the official site so slow?
[17:11] <B0g4r7_> It only ever connects to 4 seeds, and tops out around 1Mbps download speed.
[17:11] <nicomachus> B0g4r7_: probably not a lot of seeders.
[17:12] <B0g4r7_> The 14.04 server torrent from the same place goes at full speed.
[17:12] <Raulwynn> Here is what I want to do. Remote connect to clients computer without them seeing any of my information. I don't want them to be able to see my IP, my region, not even my computer browser or anything
[17:12] <B0g4r7_> The .torrent really ought to include the HTTP seed option, IMO.
[17:12] <B0g4r7_> anyhoo, that's my 2 cents.
[17:12] <B0g4r7_> thx.
[17:12] <nicomachus> B0g4r7_: not really under the scope of this channel, FYI
[17:13] <ioria> oditector, on what DE are you on  '
[17:13] <B0g4r7_> Oh, I thought this was the official ubuntu support channel.
[17:13] <akik> oditector: on this channel people give instructions on how most people would fix their settings. so look into your de's settings
[17:13] <B0g4r7_> Where the correct ppl might hear.
[17:13] <nicomachus> B0g4r7_: it is. but we support the OS, not the website or downloads.
[17:13] <B0g4r7_> and be able to revise the .torrent to include the http seed option.
[17:13] <B0g4r7_> ah.
[17:15] <akik> oditector: there's a wiki page about .xinitrc. maybe you could use that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomXSession
[17:17] <oditector> akik: thanks what did you type in google that showed that page?
[17:17] <CrazyTux> I am running a live image of Sparky Linux inside the Virtual Box on Xubuntu. Can I access the file saved on the HDD by Xubuntu?
[17:18] <MarcoP> when a reboot is needed to install an update is the only way to do that is with a full reboot?
[17:18] <CrazyTux> while running live image of Sparky Linux inside the Virtual Box?
[17:18] <akik> oditector: "ubuntu xinitrc"
[17:18] <akik> oditector: mind though that the page has been last edited in 2012
[17:19] <oditector> akik: and for keyboard shortcuts page?
[17:19] <akik> ubuntu is always changing so it could be that it works, or not
[17:19] <oditector> but thanks for googling for me
[17:19] <ikonia> CrazyTux: yup, you need a usb passthrough within virtual box
[17:20] <CrazyTux> ikonia, what is that? usb passthrough?
[17:20] <CrazyTux> sorry if I sounded silly.
[17:20] <kankusht> good afternoon
[17:21] <Snowboarder> How to do usbpasssthrough on ubuntu or mint?
[17:21] <akik> oditector: i don't know about keyboard shortcuts. i'm using kde (kubuntu)
[17:21] <ikonia> CrazyTux: it present the usb port on your system to the guest OS
[17:21] <MarcoP> ksplice?
[17:22] <kankusht> could anyone tell me how to get rid of the kiosk mode on xfce please? I use ubuntu studio
[17:22] <CrazyTux> ikonia, I am using the image file of Sparky which is on the HDD.
[17:22] <pavlos> CrazyTux, you can enable shared folders and pass files from guest <-> host
[17:22] <CrazyTux> the pdf files I want to access on Sparky are also on the HDD.
[17:23] <CrazyTux> ok
[17:23] <B0g4r7_> vbox needs some extenstions package added to it or it will be limited to USB 1.1.
[17:24] <akik> oditector: actually i found this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/705230/xinitrc-and-xsession-not-running so use .xsessionrc
[17:24] <B0g4r7_> apt install vbox-extensions, or similar (on the host)
[17:27] <MarcoP> is ksplice a bad idea?
[17:35] <murat> hello
[17:36] <zram> Hello. Is there any version/derivative of ubuntu that doesn't have ZRAM?
[17:36] <kankusht> could anyone tell me how to get rid of the kiosk mode on xfce please? I use ubuntu studio
[17:37] <xangua> kankusht: did you check xfce docs? https://wiki.xfce.org/howto/kiosk_mode
[17:37] <kankusht> yes, but it doesn't work
[17:37] <xangua> zram: Ubuntu doesn't come with zram preinstalled
[17:38] <zram> But it only sees 1/2 my ram in live mode... why is that?
[17:39] <mattia> hi
[17:40] <xangua> kankusht: maybe you should ask in #xfce , I've never use kiosk mode sorry
[17:40] <kankusht> ok
[17:42] <xangua> !details | zram
[17:51] <erganeshsharma> join /openstack
[17:54] <zram> ubottu, LIVE ubuntu (or any debians) SEE all my ram, but they allow me to use only 1/2 of it. Even though the System monitor sees ALL `my ram, praactically, for example, i cannot use more than 1/2 of the ram I SHOUDL have access to
[17:55] <pavlos> erganeshsharma, should be, /join #openstack
[17:55] <nacc> zram: how are you determining that only 1/2 of it is able to be used?
[17:55] <nacc> zram: do you mean only 1/2 of it is being used?
[17:56] <erganeshsharma> pavlos, thanks
[17:58] <benfitzpatrick> hi guys, im trying to make a respin of 16.04 official and i have been trying for 2 days. i cant find on google or etc. any decent program to do so. I have tried pinguy builder, respin, none of them make it to where, it saves my themes and settings, idk why
[17:58] <benfitzpatrick> i tried 4+ times, im stumped
[17:58] <zram> ubottu - what? nacc if Im in LIVE, the file manager says i have only (1/2 of ram space) to storee files for example. in ARCH live, i open the file manager, and it syas i hav (90% of all my ram) avaialbel to store files
 try systemreboot
[17:59] <benfitzpatrick> idk where to get that
[17:59] <xangua> zram: what does the file manager has to do with RAM?I think you're confused
[18:00] <zram> xangua - maybe. its only my hunch taht its zram
[18:00] <benfitzpatrick> i just googled for it, didnt give me what i need
[18:02] <benfitzpatrick> this is nuts
[18:02] <k1l_> zram: how/why do you want to use all of the ram?
[18:03] <xangua> zram: what's the terminal output of: free -h
[18:03] <benfitzpatrick> well i cant find systemreboot program on google
[18:03] <zram> total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[18:03] <zram> Mem:          7.7G       3.7G       4.0G       720M       314M       2.0G
[18:03] <zram> -/+ buffers/cache:       1.4G       6.3G
[18:03] <zram> Swap:         3.9G         0B       3.9G
[18:03] <nacc> benfitzpatrick: i have no idea, onestly, why zram suggsted that
[18:03] <zram> benfitzpatrick i  think i dont rememebrthe right name
[18:03] <k1l_> zram: use paste.ubuntu.com please
[18:04] <benfitzpatrick> well idk what to do, i am trying to make a ubuntu respin and it wont save my settings and themes
[18:04] <benfitzpatrick> im at a loss
[18:04] <zram> maybe its systemback?
[18:04] <benfitzpatrick> i have that installed
[18:05] <benfitzpatrick> i just dunno how to use it
[18:05] <zram> i think there is a video on youtube. type systemback in youtube.
[18:05] <benfitzpatrick> ok
[18:05] <pavlos> benfitzpatrick, there is uck tool in ubuntu, https://www.linux.com/learn/roll-your-own-customized-ubuntu-uck
[18:06] <benfitzpatrick> that looks, ... idk
[18:08] <isthie> I have a dual installation of Xubuntu 16.04 and Elementary. I would like to reclaim the HDD space from the Elementary partition so I can use it with Xubuntu. How do I do this without screwing up since I can barely manage apt update etc
[18:08] <isthie> can I just use Disks etc to resize the Xubuntu parition over the Elementary one or will this screw up the bootloader etc
[18:09] <xangua> isthie: backup important data if you have, boot any live distro with gparted, modify your partitions
[18:09] <isthie> xangua: can I do it from within Xubuntu with Disks or Gparted? or I have to be live booted
[18:10] <xangua> isthie: no
[18:12] <isthie> xangua: so if I live boot and then just expand the Xubuntu partition over the elementary one will it sort grub on its own or will that been a mess? Elementary is dev/sda1 bootable and Xubuntu is dev/sda2 and extended
[18:12] <isthie> dont I need to change xubuntu to bootable?
[18:14] <isthie> this is what I have http://i.imgur.com/rDtp5d1.png
[18:17] <Demosthenex> ok, new 16 lts install enters a boot loop and never fully boots. recovery mode works, and removing "quiet splash" and adding "nomodeset" fixes it. google searches haven't turned up results, known bug?
[18:22] <ducasse> !nomodeset | Demosthenex
[18:23] <Demosthenex> ubottu: i already edited grub.cfg and fixed it, just thougt it odd
[18:23] <Demosthenex> ubottu: love you anyway
[18:23] <zram> xangua: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23793554/
[18:24] <ducasse> Demosthenex: it's most likely because you need to install the correct graphics driver
[18:25] <xangua> zram: it says you have 7.7G of RAM, is that wrong?
[18:25] <zram> no, but it says that i have only 3.3 free
[18:25] <k1l_> Demosthenex: nvidia card? did you try to install the ubuntu nvidia driver?
[18:26] <zebulan> Hey #Ubuntu! I just bought a 256gb SSD and want to install Ubuntu 16.04 on it (I have Ubuntu installed on an old 1 TB drive currently) but am unsure how to properly set the partitions. Some posts say put root and boot on SSD and home on other drive?
[18:26] <kang00> Who informed me about wubi?
[18:26] <Demosthenex> ducasse k1l_: i'll check on that.
[18:26] <k1l_> kang00: wubi is dead. dont use that
[18:26] <kang00> Why k1l_
[18:26] <kang00> Or how?
[18:26] <k1l_> zram: its not 3.3 free.
[18:27] <k1l_> kang00: because it doesnt work properly with new windows and it will break
[18:27] <kang00> You mean uefi?
[18:27] <pavlos> zram, http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[18:27] <k1l_> kang00: uefi is a different thing than wubi
[18:27] <zram> xangua it says i have 7.7 total, but then i have only 3.6 free for usage. but in arch for example, it would say 5gb or 6gb etc. so ubuntu and pretty much all debian dont let me use all my ram in live. they seem to alot 1/2 to zram or something
[18:27] <kang00> I guess new windows offers uefi
[18:27] <k1l_> zram: and you only have 1GB used. look at the facts please
[18:28] <zram> k1l but it not allowing me to use more than 3.6gb
[18:28] <royal_screwup21> What syntax error am I making with this piece of bash code? https://thepasteb.in/p/g5hPOJDoLOLTr
[18:28] <k1l_> zram: please read the link from pavlos it explains why your concept of how ram is used and is displayed by programs is wrong
[18:29] <zram> k1l does ALL linux do this? becuase arch doesn't do this
[18:30] <k1l_> zram: do you understand how caching and buffers works? maybe arch got different settings for buffers and cache.
[18:31] <k1l_> zram: and how do you know its not letting you use more than 3.6GB ram?
[18:32] <zram> k1l no im just an average user. here is my test: ill use linux in live. ill download a file that is 5gb or so. in arch, it has no problem, because it allows me to USE all the ram. in ubuntu or any debian, at the 4gb mark it will say: no more room.
[18:33] <k1l_> zram: you are aware, that in a live system, the system resides in the ram too?
[18:33] <k1l_> zram: so your test is not a test at all.
[18:33] <zram> k1l yes i thikn that is the filesystem squash right? so that is about 1.X gb. so i shoudl sTILL have 5-6gb
[18:34] <zram> k1l but say if i have a comp with 2gb ram, it will let me downlaod up to1gb, if its 4gb, it lets me download up to 2gb. if its 8gb, it let me downlaod 4gb. its alwasy 1/2
[18:35] <k1l_> zram: that has nothing to do with the installed OS.
[18:36] <zram> k1l i dont understand the technical details. i just understand that in arch i can download like 5.X gb, and in ubuntu, its alwasy always always 1/2 of whatever my ram on that computer is.
[18:37] <Hardrada> Hell, when i try to login to my Ubuntu desktop nothing happens, screen is flashing and then i am back at the login screen again.
[18:37] <zram> k1l if im reading it right, it says i have 6gb available - is that right?
[18:41] <k1l_> zram: the handling on the live cd is different from the installed os
[18:41] <zram> k1l Im takling about live cd
[18:41] <zram> k1l as mentioned at the beginign, i said live system
[18:42] <k1l_> its possible that, to speed up the performance on live cd, its using some more amount of the ram, when the system got more ram.
[18:43] <zram> k1l yes, but i want to turn that off..
[18:44] <merlin__> hello
[18:44] <xangua> Why exactly you want to "use all your RAM" in a live environment? zram
[18:44] <pavlos> zram, can you give us another pastebin ... free -h | pastebinit (the reason is your headers are off columnwise
[18:44] <Hardrada> Nevermind, i fixed it. I had to chown Xauthority P
[18:44] <Hardrada> :P
[18:44] <merlin__> i have a little problem with my usb flash drives
[18:45] <zram> pavlos: http://pastebin.com/94cuMEMR
[18:46] <pavlos> zram, strange the total header should be above 7.7G
[18:46] <zram> pavlos , i dont know what a header is?
[18:47] <pavlos> zram, the word Total should be above 7.7, the word Used above 3.3G and so on
[18:48] <zram> pavlos: http://pastebin.com/MKxqTATK
[18:48] <MarcoP> did ubuntu get a kernel update recently
[18:48] <MarcoP> last couple of days for 16.10
[18:49] <pavlos> zram, much better, thx ...
[18:49] <merlin__> i need help
[18:49] <GeorgeTorwell> I need alcohol to talk to aliens
[18:50] <merlin__> ok really friendly
[18:51] <k1l_> MarcoP: yes
[18:52] <MarcoP> k1l_, how often does that usually happen?
[18:52] <MarcoP> k1l_, I know there is not a set schedule
[18:52] <MarcoP> it seems it happens often
[18:52] <k1l_> usual kernel updates come every 2-3 weeks
[18:52] <k1l_> security fixes are shipped asap after testing
[18:53] <MarcoP> k1l_, do you normally do a full reboot then or you use a program that installs an update without reboot?
[18:53] <ubuntu777> hi, does ubuntu unity support hidpi?
[18:54] <k1l_> MarcoP: yes. kernel updates need full reboot. for 16.04 LTS (since that is what servers run) you can use the canonical live patch service
[18:54] <k1l_> MarcoP: i reboot my laptop at least once a day. so that is not an issue for me.
[18:54] <MarcoP> k1l_, that can patch without reboot?
[18:54] <MarcoP> that live patch service?
[18:55] <zram> pavlos - shoudl i understand that i have 6.7 available for use?
[18:55] <k1l_> MarcoP: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/10/canonical-livepatch.html
[18:55] <MarcoP> thanks
[18:55] <pavlos> zram, your system shows 6.7G (free+cache) available out of the 7.7G total
[18:56] <zram> pavlos - exaclty that is how i read it. but say i try to download a 6gb file, right now it will say NO MORE ROOM at 3.X gb or so
[18:56] <zram> 3.6 precisely, pavlos
[18:56] <MarcoP> k1l_, is this similar to ksplice?
[18:57] <k1l_> MarcoP: lets play a game: that information is hidden in the text, see if you can find it :)
[18:58] <zram> pavlos, so it isn't letting me make use of all the ram that i SHOULD have.
[18:58] <MarcoP> k1l_, you so cute buddy thanks :)
[18:59] <sudopia> Hello, is there a way to enable the "Files" program to actually open a window by itself when the program is called? Normally clicking firefox open containing folder for download causes the taskbar icon for Files to shake and be highlighted, requiring me to open it by clicking it.
[19:00] <ubuntu777> does ubuntu unity support hidpi?
[19:01] <xangua> sudopia: it's already open actually, you just select it to focus the window
[19:02] <pavlos> zram, let's make a 4G file ... dd if=/dev/zero of=big count=1000M (that should make a 4.4G file
[19:02] <zram> pavlos - okay
[19:03] <zram> pavlos: dd: writing to ‘big’: No space left on device
[19:03] <sudopia> xangua: Any advice on forcing the window to be focused when the program is called. I have this problem with other programs calling Files other than just firefox.
[19:03] <zram> pavlos - adn i just got a popup saying low disk space
[19:03] <zram> pavlos: "this computer has only 0 bytes disk space remaining
[19:04] <zram> pavlos: it created a 'big' file in my home directory that is 3.7gb in size
[19:04] <pavlos> zram, hmm
[19:05] <genii> zram: On a liveusb/dvd system you can only install things or make ramdisks up to the size of the ram the system has
[19:05] <xangua> sudopia: if you're using unity, probably compiz is preventing stealing the focus; you can install compiz-config-settings-manager to configure that
[19:05] <zram> genii - i know, but its not letting me make use of all the ram i DO have...
[19:06] <sudopia> xangua: Thank you. I found an askubuntu.com question that suggested using "dconf write /org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/focus-prevention-level 0" I'll try that.
[19:06] <xangua> sudopia: well that works too
[19:08] <pavlos> zram, df -h | pastebinit
[19:08] <zram> pavlos: ill paste it, but i deleted the 'big' file becuase i idn't want the system to crash
[19:09] <zram> pavlos , i can make it again if you like
[19:10] <raf0> hi, is it possible to install ubuntu's software installer on blackbox linux (since it's based off ubuntu)?
[19:10] <zram> pavlos: http://pastebin.com/3m9ZYkqY
[19:12] <pavlos> zram, /cow has 3.5G avail, it will not let you use more, hence the disk full
[19:14] <nicomachus> raf0: not sure, blackbox isn't supported here.
[19:15] <zram> pavlos - what is cow ? and how can i remove it?
[19:16] <diogenes_> zram, beware this cow can be dirty
[19:16] <zram> diogenes - what do oyu mena? its already eating up all my ram
[19:17] <diogenes_> zram, and not only
[19:17] <zram> diogenes can i removee it?
[19:18] <diogenes_> zram, with a kernel update
[19:19] <zram> diogenes if i use the latest ubuntu live - will it still have this cow?
[19:19] <diogenes_> zram, I guess it will
[19:19] <zram> diogenes arent the kernal updates in those?
[19:20] <CNEWB> Am I allowed to ask general Linux questions here? Trying to find a set of channels I can use to help learn all this, when I have questions.
[19:21] <xangua> CNEWB: is it Ubuntu related?
[19:22] <deww> CNEWB: i see more general channels like #linux as well.
[19:22] <CNEWB> xangua: It would be more general, any distro related. I'm using Ubuntu on Windows, trying to learn the terminal.
[19:22] <CNEWB> I'll join #linux.
[19:22] <zram> diogenes - just to make sure: if i update the kernel to the latest - this cow will go away?
[19:23] <xangua> CNEWB: so you're using Ubuntu shell in Windows,I think there is a channel for that
[19:23] <xangua> zram: what Ubuntu release are you using?
[19:23] <CNEWB> xangua: I'll google it, thanks.
[19:23] <zram> xangua - this is mint atm, but its very old
[19:24] <deww> CNEWB: from my limited testing certain things don't yet work correctly. it's interesting for sure tho.
[19:26] <ducasse> !ubuwin | CNEWB
[19:27] <pavlos> zram, this is the filesystem of a Live environment, The live cd makes a quick memory test at the boot process then use the number to create the ram drive. I cannot find a ref that this is about 50% of installed memory.
[19:27] <CNEWB> Ah, cool.
[19:29] <zram> pavlos - that seems very accurate that its relative to the computer being used. as i mentioned in my comps with less ram, it uses about 1/2. pavlos i dont know if zram is related, but i did install zram config, adn found an instruction in it that said: use 1/2 something ... ill try to find the exact wording
[19:29] <CNEWB> ducasse: It appears I'm the only one interested in Ubuntu on Windows, no one else is in the channel lol.
[19:30] <zram> zram_config.conf:   # Calculate memory to use for zram (1/2 of ram)
[19:30] <pavlos> zram, nothing to do with zram, I can boot my laptop live to see if the /cow fs is 2G (I have 4G memory) ...
[19:31] <akik> CNEWB: you could try https://www.reddit.com/r/bashonubuntuonwindows/
[19:32] <zram> pavlos - okay :)
[19:34] <pavlos> zram, booted my laptop witjh Live, created a 1.9G /cow (total memory 4G)
[19:35] <zram> pavlos - yea that seems right :\
[19:35] <blueking> hello guys and ladies
[19:35] <zram> pavlos - so diogenes suggested a kernel update will resolve this?
[19:36] <giuseppe_> !list
[19:36] <zram> pavlos, btw the ONLY debian based that I tried that did let me use all my ram was one that didn't use this cow thing...
[19:36] <Hulio> guys, is it possible to change sftp port number to different port?
[19:37] <Hulio> in ubuntu?
[19:37] <Hulio> i am having issue sftp from public ip
[19:37] <akik> Hulio: you can change it in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[19:37] <Hulio> even i port forwarding the right 22 and ip
[19:38] <pavlos> zram, dont think a kernel update would help (you'd reboot)
[19:39] <Hulio> akik, do i need to reboot something after change?
[19:39] <akik> Hulio: no, just restart sshd
[19:39] <Hulio> i did change it to port 9999
[19:39] <Hulio> how to restart sshd ?
[19:39] <akik> Hulio: is this your local machine?
[19:40] <Hulio> yes
[19:40] <Hulio> it is in vmware
[19:40] <Hulio> or restart vmware ?
[19:40] <akik> Hulio: well you can just restart the vm then
[19:40] <Hulio> ok thanks
[19:42] <zram> pavlos, might I tell you what Im really trying to do?
[19:42] <pavlos> zram, well, you can live boot 16.04, 16.10 but I this the /cow fs will be half of your memory
[19:42] <pavlos> think
[19:43] <zram> pavlos so it seems any distro that uses teh COW will use 1/2 the memory...and there seems to beno way to turn it off...
[19:45] <Hulio> too cumbersome man
[19:45] <ducasse> Hulio: what is too cumbersome?
[19:45] <pavlos> zram, I dont know if other distros do the same ... and I cannot find a definite ref that 50% of mem is used
[19:46] <Hulio> i change back to port 22
[19:46] <Hulio> ducasse, it only works when i do sftp from local machine IP
[19:46] <Hulio> but when i sftp from public ip
[19:46] <Hulio> it wont work
[19:46] <zram> pavlos but from your experience (any mine to match) it seems to be roughly 1/2 or so...
[19:46] <Hulio> i have it port forwarding
[19:46] <Hulio> very strange
[19:46] <Hulio> i am using the new AC1900P router
[19:46] <ducasse> Hulio: is the vmware network setup bridged?
[19:46] <zram> pavlos, like i said MX doesnt have this cow thing, adn i CAN use all the ram in that distro
[19:47] <Hulio> yes
[19:47] <zram> pavlos, but sadly it also dont let me use the program i need
[19:47] <Hulio> it has IP 192.168.1.3
[19:47] <Hulio> and my host is  192.168.1.46
[19:47] <Hulio> if i do sftp 192.168.1.3    <--- it works
[19:47] <Hulio> but not public IP
[19:47] <Hulio> i basically want to access from the outside
[19:48] <ducasse> Hulio: some problem with the port forwarding, then.
[19:49] <Gustorn> Can I ask a question related to postresql on ubuntu?
[19:49] <Hulio> ducasse, i'll post image
[19:49] <Hulio> hold on
[19:50] <Gustorn> I just installed postgres on my server how can I acces it from my computer?
[19:50] <Gustorn> I can't connect with pgadmin
[19:50] <Hulio> ducasse, here is the image: http://tinypic.com/r/2zzkb43/9
[19:50] <ducasse> Hulio: try ##networking, we don't support router configuration
[19:50] <Gustorn> local ip noob
[19:50] <Gustorn> internal
[19:50] <Hulio> ducasse, man, maybe u know the answer
[19:51] <Hulio> ducasse, at least can you please take a look?
[19:51] <Gustorn> How do I access postgres from ip?
[19:53] <Gustorn> guysssssssss???????????
[19:53] <MonkeyDust> Gustorn  drop the repeat characters ... repeat your question every 15 minutes or so, until someone enters who can help
[19:54] <ducasse> Hulio: it looks ok, but i don't know your router model. better check with someone who does.
[19:54] <Hulio> ducasse, it is Asus AC1900P
[19:54] <Gustorn> [20:50] <Gustorn> I just installed postgres on my server how can I acces it from my computer? [20:50] <Gustorn> I can't connect with pgadmin
[19:54] <yeats> Gustorn: you have to edit the postgresql config files to allow connections from outside
[19:54] <Gustorn> pg_hba
[19:55] <Gustorn> ?
[19:55] <ducasse> Hulio: i meant i'm not familiar with it, i only use mikrotik.
[19:55] <yeats> Gustorn: yes, and you have to set the listen_addresses parameter in postgresql.conf
[19:56] <yeats> Gustorn: obviously if you're going to be storing anything of value, you'll want to be strict about which addresses can get it
[19:56] <yeats> s/it/in/
[19:56] <Gustorn> Okay thanks I spent hours searching!
[19:56] <Gustorn> no man you don't understand I am working on open data
[19:57] <yeats> Gustorn: it's a good idea to learn security best practices even when working with non-critical/open data
[19:58] <Gustorn> can I use something else than vi to edit my data?
[19:58] <yeats> Gustorn: nano is also installed by default
[19:58] <Gustorn> nobody will hack my database :D
[19:59] <Gustorn> does the pg_hba file need to remain alligned?
[19:59] <yeats> Gustorn: whitespace shouldn't matter, but best to keep it aligned if possible
[20:00] <pavlos> zram, which is the MX distro you mentioned?
[20:01] <Gustorn> how do I know the ip of the server?
[20:02] <zram> pavlos: https://mxlinux.org/
[20:06] <pavlos> zram, d/l mx-16, 64 bit to try on a vm
[20:06] <Gustorn> I edited pg_hba and postgres.conf still can't connect
[20:06] <Gustorn> Unauthorized
[20:06] <zram> pavlos - okay! thanks for the update
[20:06] <zram> :)
[20:06] <Raidwas> Hi everyone, got some strange problem with apt upgrade today and it would be great if anybody has a idea what is going on:
[20:07] <MonkeyDust> Raidwas  let's hear it, in on eline
[20:07] <MonkeyDust> one line*
[20:08] <Raidwas> So here is the output from apt-get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23794079/
[20:09] <MonkeyDust> Raidwas  what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[20:09] <tatertots> Raidwas: what was the"input"?
[20:09] <yeats> Gustorn: did you restart postgresql?
[20:09] <Gustorn> yes
[20:09] <Gustorn> listen_address='*'
[20:09] <yeats> Gustorn: check the postgres logs
[20:09] <Gustorn> where can I find those
[20:10] <yeats> Gustorn: /var/log/postgresql, probably
[20:10] <Gustorn> invalid connection type 'any'
[20:11] <Raidwas> MonkeyDust: the output of your command is: "Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS \n \l" (without quotes), tatertots: do you mean "sudo apt-get upgrade"?
[20:11] <yeats> Gustorn: where are you using 'any'?
[20:11] <Gustorn> pg_hba
[20:12] <MonkeyDust> Raidwas  type this first     sudo apt update
[20:12] <yeats> Gustorn: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/auth-pg-hba-conf.html
[20:12] <nacc> Raidwas: did you edit some file by any chance? it looks like something is writing 'uname -r' verbatim instead of calling `uname -r`
[20:12] <nacc> Raidwas: i'm guessing something in /etc
[20:13] <pavlos> zram, gave it 1G ram, the fs was 772M so not all of it but about 3/4 of total ram
[20:14] <Raidwas> MonkeyDust: problem does still persist, same output of "cat /etc/issue"; nacc: cant recall anything that has anything todo with initram, apt, dpkg or similar.. but the error suggests the same to me
[20:14] <zram> pavlos - exaclty, it needs some for itself, but it sees about as much as ARCH sees
[20:15] <zram> pavlos but if I have 8GB, it uses only 400mb or so
[20:15] <MonkeyDust> Raidwas  methinks it's a mirror issue, try changing the software mirror
[20:15] <zram> pavlos or 300 something like that... but it uses only as mcuh as it needs
[20:16] <tatertots> Raidwas: install inxi, don't have as much patience as i used to, inxi is in ubuntu official repositories making it easy to find in software manager, and easy to install using your favorite method, just let me know when you have it installed...take care..happy new year
[20:16] <MonkeyDust> i use inxi to have a weather report
[20:17] <groundzero_> !wois groundzero
[20:17] <groundzero_> !whois groundzero
[20:17] <ioria> Raidwas, dpkg -l linux-firmware
[20:18] <Gustorn> Unable to connect to server:  fe_sendauth: no password supplied
[20:18] <pavlos> zram, gave it 2GB, created an overlay of 1.6G so 3/4 sounds right
[20:19] <Gustorn> but... postgres doesn't have a password
[20:19] <Raidwas> tatertots, ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23794119/
[20:19] <zram> pavlos - hmm.. ill double check as well
[20:20] <Guest76858> guys, I am connected through a mobile internet device and I can only use 4GB of data a month, what application is there that'd allow me to monitor data usage and notify me after arbitrary thresholds are met?
[20:20] <ioria> Raidwas, yes, some problem with that ... but what is nitrd.img-uname ? look at your /boot
[20:20] <Two_Dogs> i need a simple one time no server network time update of system time on ubuntu 14.04, i have a local ntp server i can call up, thoughts?
[20:20] <MonkeyDust> !tablet | Guest76858
[20:21] <Gustorn> nvm thanks!!!
[20:21] <tatertots> Guest76858: the device itself should have a bandwidth metering functionality.
[20:21] <Guest76858> no, I am using a desktop
[20:21] <Raidwas> MonkeyDust, how can i do that? I have never touched the /ect/apt/sources ?
[20:21] <heston> hello, is device mapping consistent? Can my boot device ever show up as something other than /dev/sda? If say I had a usb stick inserted on boot and it was mapped first?
[20:21] <Guest76858> only on windows through an application
[20:21] <nacc> heston: it is not guaranteed
[20:22] <allen_> Greetings... Best CD ripper for Ubuntu? Any suggestions?
[20:22] <heston> nacc, well I dont recall it ever being an issue with ubuntu but im experiencing the issue in a different distro
[20:22] <MonkeyDust> allen_  'best' depends on what you prefer
[20:22] <Raidwas> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23794129/ , it seems that somehow update-initramfs gets a wrong parameter (looks like a not correct evaluated uname)
[20:23] <MonkeyDust> allen_  start here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CDRipping
[20:23] <ioria> Raidwas,  can you run  sudo apt-get autoremove ?
[20:23] <nacc> heston: it's not guaranteed generally, afaik. you should use UUID
[20:24] <Raidwas> ioria: does not try do remove anything, then just tries to complete the failed installation again
[20:24] <heston> nacc, ok then so it's standard kernel behavior. I thought maybe ubuntu changed something to make it consistent, which would be nice
[20:24] <nacc> heston: ubuntu defaults to UUID, iirc
[20:25] <Raidwas> by the way, yes i tried to turn it off and on again already ;P
[20:25] <ioria> Raidwas,  can you paste cat /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[20:26] <Raidwas> ioria: nothing as simple as that: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23794145/
[20:26] <heston> nacc, in what way? How do I use a UUID inplace of a raw device
[20:27] <nacc> heston: root=UUID= passed via grub
[20:27] <ioria> Raidwas,  what is initrd.img-4.4.0-31-generic_backup_decryptkeydevice ?
[20:30] <Raidwas> ioria: valid question ^^ its a backup of the corrsponding initrd after trying to install dropbearSSH into the initrd to unlock the hdd passwords when the pc restarts and im not at home
[20:31] <ioria> Raidwas,  what happens if you  sudo apt install --reinstall linux-firmware ?
[20:32] <Raidwas> ioria: that seems interesting (or wrong atleast ^^): https://paste.ubuntu.com/23794180/
[20:33] <zram> pavlos - so nothing?
[20:33] <heston> nacc, but for say doing work with fdisk or dd, I need to figure out what got mapped where myself
[20:33] <Raidwas> ioria: and indeed aptitude search only results in linux-firmware and linux-firmware:i386
[20:34] <nacc> heston: /dev/disk/by-uuid
[20:34] <ioria> Raidwas,  dpkg -l | grep  -v "ii  " | grep -v "rc  "
[20:35] <pavlos> zram, what do you mean? I thought you were trying something
[20:35] <Raidwas> ioria: there you go: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23794196/
[20:35] <zram> pavlos nono, I was  confirming how much mx uses
[20:35] <zram> pavlos, what you said is about right
[20:36] <ioria> Raidwas,  ok... what have you done lately ? :þ
[20:36] <heston> nacc, and how do I determine what is what for those devices? Are those all partitions?
[20:36] <pavlos> zram, so, various live OS use diff % of total memory
[20:38] <zram> pavlos...well, arch uses about he same that mx uses... leaving much more ram free... how can I make debian based behaev like taht
[20:38] <ioria> Raidwas,  and maybe you need to remove those initrd.img-uname initrd.img-uname -r in your /boot
[20:38] <zram> pavlos- but yea, you confirmed that conclusion with the test things
[20:38] <pavlos> zram, I dont think you can ... seems to be set when a live fs is created
[20:38] <nacc> heston: sorry, 'what is what'? can you be more precise or give me an exact use case?
[20:39] <Raidwas> ioria: oh my, the last thing that really happend on that machine where bevore Christmas -.- mh... setting up a xpe server + nfs shares (resulting in the nfs-server-kernel module or how it was called);...
[20:39] <heston> nacc, for whatever is listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[20:39] <heston> are those supposed to be devices or partitions?
[20:39] <zram> pavlos - alright...thanks for trying to help in addressing this though
[20:39] <pavlos> zram, np
[20:39] <Raidwas> ioria: will do that, and also remove the backup. what do you think of the "initrd.img-.-31-generic" it seems to also not fit in that list?
[20:39] <ioria> Raidwas,  those  images are not by default  , you should have genenated them (initrd.img-uname initrd.img-uname -r )
[20:40] <nacc> heston: use `ls -ahl` and it should be pretty clear they are partitions
[20:40] <nacc> heston: they are just symlinks
[20:40] <heston> nacc, ah ok yeah i just tried ls -l
[20:40] <ioria> Raidwas,  what kernel are you using right now ? uname -r
[20:40] <doc|work> hey. We have a couple of NUCs attached to screens in a retail setup. We reboot them nightly but sometimes the screens show a no signal message after a reboot, and just now we've had it happen while the screen had been working fine. Anyone got any ideas?
[20:40] <zram> pavlos :)
[20:40] <Raidwas> ioria: 4.4.0-59-generic
[20:42] <doc|work> by the way, xubuntu's display utility shows the screen as disconnected and xrandr shows it as connected if that helps
[20:42] <ioria> Raidwas,  can you paste  sudo update-grub
[20:43] <p4rot> hi guys , is it possible to install a different desktop environment in Lubuntu?
[20:43] <Raidwas> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23794224/ (already removed the strange ones)
[20:44] <ioria> Raidwas,  sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:44] <Raidwas> problem still persists after removing the strange initrd
[20:46] <akik> zram: check out http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man7/live-boot.7.html it talks about a ramdisk-size option
[20:46] <Raidwas> ioria: same output, again producing a initrd.img-uname
[20:46] <mukluks> p4rot: everything is possiblr
[20:46] <akik> zram: By default, there is no ramdisk  size
[20:46] <akik>            set,  so  the  default of mount applies (currently 50% of available
[20:46] <akik>            RAM).
[20:46] <ioria> Raidwas,  how did you remove those ?
[20:47] <zram> akik - thank you for the reference! :)
[20:47] <ioria> Raidwas,  and are booting in efi mode ? (also with secure boot)
[20:47] <akik> zram: did you test that already?
[20:48] <zram> no, I havent opened the link yet
[20:49] <Raidwas> ioria: "sudo update-initramfs -d -k uname"
[20:50] <DevilTiger> i'm having some issues getting 16.04 to install to a usb stick.
[20:51] <zram> akik - it says it has no effect when booting toram --- what does that mean?
[20:51] <ioria> Raidwas,  are they gone from /boot ?
[20:51] <Raidwas> ioria: yes
[20:52] <diogenes_> DevilTiger, what issues?
[20:53] <akik> zram: it was another boot option, try without it
[20:53] <ioria> Raidwas,  can you paste   sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:54] <akik> zram: unless you have toram option there
[20:54] <DevilTiger> created a bootable usb from windows with rufus with 16.04. booted to it and tried to install it on another usb and it failed to install grub.
[20:54] <Raidwas> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23794276/
[20:54] <zram> akik - okay thanks!
[20:54] <DevilTiger> i used this guide http://askubuntu.com/questions/170454/can-i-install-ubuntu-to-my-32-gb-usb-pen-drive
[20:54] <idoko> anyone know how i can create a wifi hotspot while a modem is plugged?
[20:55] <akik> zram: i don't know for sure but it looks like that 50% comes from there (the default when you don't set the size
[20:56] <zram> akik - okay, Ill try it and see if changin the number there makes a difference
[20:56] <gtozzi> Hi there! I am trying to get my triple-head setup to work but at the moment i can only boot in recovery mode, could you please help?
[21:00] <ioria> Raidwas,  apt-cache policy linux-firmware
[21:01] <Raidwas> ioria: ok, now i'm getting confused: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23794306/ having the same version under installed and candidate doesnt make much sense right?
[21:02] <ioria> Raidwas,  maybe remove the i386 packages
[21:03] <ioria> Raidwas,  no, the version is ok
[21:03] <Raidwas> ioria: shouldnt there be a amd64 version of linux-firmware in the output of "aptitude search linux-firmware"?
[21:05] <ioria> Raidwas,  why do you have  linux-firmware  for i386 ?
[21:05] <zram> akik - do I press f3 on startup and then type ramdisk-size and it will give me options?
[21:05] <zram> akik or f2 or something
[21:05] <Raidwas> ioria: i have no idea -.-
[21:05] <genii> ioria: Maybe no multiarch installed
[21:05] <ioria> genii, i see tx
[21:05] <Raidwas> ioria: i am sure that i haven't removed any mirrors..
[21:06] <ioria> Raidwas, dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
[21:07] <akik> zram: i think you need both boot=live and ramdisk-size=
[21:08] <rizonz> where has apache2-mpm-worker gone ?
[21:08] <akik> zram: you add them to the kernel boot line which has the options
[21:08] <Raidwas> ioria: output is just one line containing "i386"
[21:08] <zram> akik do I have to unpack the iso? I thought this was just at boot time ...?
[21:08] <akik> zram: yes you can add them at boot time
[21:09] <akik> zram: no need to unpack iso
[21:09] <nedbat> could someone help me navigate the ubuntu source? I have kernel 3.2.0-120-virtual, and am trying to see the changes that have happened recently to produce that kernel.
[21:09] <ioria> Raidwas,  sudo apt-get purge linux-firmware:i386
[21:09] <zram> akik - okay thank for clarifying'
[21:10] <akik> zram: here's an updated page http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/yakkety/man7/live-boot.7.html . it says that boot=live is mandatory
[21:11] <zram> akik - jsut a question, but is thi applicable to ONLY the live cs or the live AND install?
[21:11] <nownot> after deleting files from my raid array the space isn't free, how do I free up the space from the delete files?
[21:11] <Raidwas> ioria: it seems that the i386 is not installed, but he also cant find the amd64 in the repos, so what is acutally installed?  https://paste.ubuntu.com/23794336/
[21:12] <akik> zram: you can set the ramdisk-size to maybe 90% with ramdisk-size=90%
[21:12] <zram> akik oh wow!  means I will have some 5/6gb available? (if total is 8) :D
[21:12] <akik> zram: it's most probably only used with the live session since it needs the boot=live option
[21:13] <zram> akik - okay thank! Going to try this right now...
[21:13] <DevilTiger> got kicked out before; having trouble getting ubuntu installed on a standalone usb. grub failed to install the first time i tried from windows / bios machine. tried it again on uefi /mac and windows machine nor the mac will boot to it
[21:14] <diogenes_> DevilTiger, looks like a broken usb stick
[21:14] <diogenes_> I have a similar one too
[21:14] <DevilTiger> brand new from the store
[21:14] <ioria> Raidwas,  apt-cache policy linux-firmware:i386
[21:15] <Raidwas> ioria: "installed: (none), candidate: (none) Version table:"
[21:15] <ioria> ok
[21:15] <DevilTiger> i'm reformatting it with NTFS and going to attempt to install to it again. i mistakenly put the ubuntu image on it first and booted to it and tried to install it to it not knowing you need 2 usb to do that. so i would think that would eliminate the usb be faulty
[21:17] <akik> DevilTiger: you can't install ubuntu on ntfs
[21:17] <CNEWB> How can I format a newly added drive in bash?
[21:17] <reisio> DevilTiger: 2 usb?
[21:17] <DevilTiger> i'm not trying to install to NTFS. i'm just reformatting it to NTFS to start again
[21:17] <reisio> CNEWB: to what?
[21:18] <CNEWB> to ntfs
[21:18] <reisio> CNEWB: ntfs, what on earth for
[21:18] <CNEWB> reisio: to ntfs
[21:18] <CNEWB> reisio: I have my reasons lol, for a game :/
[21:18] <reisio> CNEWB: mmm
[21:18] <reisio> CNEWB: what's the capacity?
[21:18] <CNEWB> reisio: 250
[21:18] <akik> CNEWB: mkfs.ntfs from ntfs-3g package does it
[21:18] <ioria> Raidwas,  have you tried to change repos ?
[21:19] <DevilTiger> am i missing something on installing to usb?
[21:19] <reisio> CNEWB: parted -a optimal -s /dev/foo mklabel msdos; parted -a optimal -s /dev/foo mkpart primary ntfs 0% 100%; mkntfs -f /dev/foo!; ntfslabel
[21:19] <DevilTiger> these are the instructions im following: http://askubuntu.com/questions/170454/can-i-install-ubuntu-to-my-32-gb-usb-pen-drive
[21:19] <reisio> ntfslabel /dev/foo1 legames
[21:19] <reisio> DevilTiger: what're you trying to accomplish in general?
[21:19] <Raidwas> ioria: to install something else? only added the kodi nightlies; to fix the problem? no not yet, and if, how?
[21:20] <DevilTiger> portable usb. not live
[21:20] <ioria> Raidwas,  systemsettings -> software&update -> Download from
[21:21] <doc|work> anyone got any ideas?
[21:21] <x0n> how install any theme in my ubuntu? :)
[21:21] <Raidwas> ioria: but i dont realy see the problem with the repos, isnt the first error we get that the update-initramfs is called incorrectly? Btw. ubuntu server, no gui -.-
[21:21] <ioria> Raidwas,  oh, server ?
[21:22] <reisio> x0n: ~/.themes/
[21:22] <x0n> copy and paste?
[21:22] <reisio> x0n: if you do it right, sure :p
[21:22] <x0n> tnx :)
[21:22] <Raidwas> ioria: yes ... sorry for not pointing that out ^^'
[21:23] <ioria> Raidwas,  i'am not sure are those img to stop the upgrade... i think are these https://paste.ubuntu.com/23794196/
[21:23] <ioria> Raidwas,  hal or bad configured packages
[21:23] <ioria> *half
[21:24] <nownot> I have a raid 5 and when I delete a file I dont get back the space that the file was taking up. any suggestions?
[21:24]  * reisio headdesks
[21:25] <Raidwas> ioria: to be honest, i dont realy know how to read that output, but the second column should not contain any uppercase letters right?
[21:25] <diogenes_> nownot, maybe you should clean the trash
[21:26] <ioria> Raidwas, linux-firmare should be 'ii'
[21:27] <nownot> diogenes_ : where would the trash live on the raid ?
[21:27] <sparviero> ola
[21:27] <wedgie> nownot: are you using LVM? If so, is it possible you have a snapshot?
[21:27] <sparviero> any ?»
[21:28] <nownot> no, etx4 raid 5
[21:28] <ioria> Raidwas,  you can try to purge linux-firmware, but honestly neve done on my system
[21:29] <Raidwas> ioria, well no problem, got some backups either way (thanks to btrfs ;P)
[21:29] <ioria> Raidwas,  sudo apt-get  purge linux-firmware
[21:29] <Raidwas> ioria: yup, know how to purge packages :P
[21:30] <ioria> ^_^
[21:30] <Raidwas> ioria: now only thing left is hitting enter...
[21:30] <Raidwas> ioria: will free 158mb of disk space, what can there be of importance in 158mb xD
[21:31] <star314> At boot, a delay of 6 seconds for the network stuff to come up is required. systemd-analyze blame shows "6.329s networking.service". I am wondering what is causing this delay because I don't run dhcp. My interface file looks like http://pastebin.com/wajez3gG Any ideas?
[21:31] <ioria> Raidwas,  right
[21:31] <Raidwas> ioria, removing them worked out, console still responding, just wondering if it will boot up again -.-
[21:32] <Raidwas> ioria: i suppose apt-get upgrade?
[21:32] <dfinn> can anyone tell me why os-prober is running every minute on a 14.04 server?  Every minute it runs and dumps a bunch of useless info into /var/log/syslog
[21:32] <ioria> Raidwas,  mmm... try but you have other not configured pkgs
[21:33] <Raidwas> ioria: do you mean the linux-signed-generic and linux-signed-image-generic? Those where purged together iwth linux-firmware
[21:33] <ioria> Raidwas,  ok
[21:34] <Raidwas> ioria: apt-get upgrade tells me that linux-headers-generic are installed and no longer needed, doesnt install anything. Maybe apg-get full-upgrade?
[21:35] <ioria> Raidwas,  sudo apt-get autoremove
[21:35] <DevilTiger> re-installed to usb from the windows machine. grub didnt fail this time. machine still wont boot to it. usb is set to first boot order
[21:36] <Raidwas> ioria: done, the question is, how to get the firmware back. just apt-get install linux-firmware?
[21:36] <ioria> Raidwas,  sudo apt full-upgrade   and paste the errors
[21:36] <Raidwas> ioria: no errors, just nothing to update.
[21:37] <ioria> Raidwas,  dpkg -l | grep  -v "ii  " | grep -v "rc  "
[21:37] <kulelu88> Is there a commandline tool where I can compare an entire folder of files against each other?
[21:38] <Raidwas> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23794449/
[21:38] <wedgie> kulelu88: contents, or just names?
[21:38] <kulelu88> wedgie: contents, yes
[21:39] <ioria> Raidwas,  can you install something ? i mean apt-get install works ?
[21:40] <Raidwas> ioria: i was able to remove and install inxi
[21:40] <kulelu88> Raidwas: maybe you need apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:40] <Raidwas> ioria: is there something against trying apt-get install linux-firmware?
[21:40] <wedgie> kulelu88: depending on your goals, could use md5sum or similar to generate a list of hashes and compare, or use rsync if you're looking to copy files around
[21:41] <ioria> Raidwas,  first try      apt-get -s install linux-firmware   (without sudo)
[21:41] <kulelu88> wedgie: so I should first hash every file in the 2 folders and then compare the hashes of each?
[21:41] <Raidwas> kulelu88: we had that already, dont know how far back you have read, the originall problem was: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23794079/
[21:42] <wedgie> kulelu88: what's your end goal?
[21:43] <Raidwas> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23794469/ seems ok to me
[21:43] <kulelu88> wedgie: I want to compare the original files (directly from the server) against possibly-modified files already existing on the system
[21:43] <ioria> Raidwas,      yep, give it a go
[21:43] <Raidwas> ioria: tension is rising ^^
[21:43] <ioria> yup
[21:44] <wedgie> kulelu88: do you just want to know if they are different, or to see the differences (as in line-by-line text or something)?
[21:44] <kulelu88> wedgie: I assume using the hash will tell me that the contents in the files are different. Comparing what has changed, what can I use there?
[21:45] <MonkeyDust> kulelu88  try rdiff
[21:45] <wedgie> kulelu88: if it is text then use diff
[21:45] <kulelu88> wedgie: so step 2 is use diff, step 1 is hash all files?
[21:45] <MonkeyDust> !info rdiff
[21:45] <Raidwas> ioria: no good, back to first problem again: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23794493/ somehow update-initramfs gets called with uname not evaluated
[21:46] <wedgie> kulelu88: if its text then just diff will be good enough.
[21:46] <kulelu88> MonkeyDust: are you recommending that tool to compare entire folders against each other?
[21:46] <Raidwas> ioria: any idea if update-initramfs is a script i can find somewhere to see if something is going on realy strange?
[21:46] <Raidwas> ioria: or i could add a -x to see the sh trace
[21:47] <ioria> Raidwas,    idk exactly ... but i think you need to get rid of initrd.img-uname
[21:48] <MonkeyDust> kulelu88  i guess   diff -r    does exactly that
[21:49] <ioria> Raidwas,    idk  what it is, ( i think  a custome generated img) so i can't tell you how to remove
[21:49] <MonkeyDust> kulelu88  try this      diff -r folder1 folder2
[21:49] <Raidwas> ioria: exactly, the question is: why does "apt-get install linux-firmware" call update-initramfs with the path /boot/initrd.img.uname instead of /boot/initrd.img.$(uname -r) (or similar)
[21:49] <kulelu88> thanks MonkeyDust and wedgie
[21:49] <MonkeyDust> kulelu88  wedgie already suggested it too
[21:50] <Raidwas> ioria: or more correctly: why does it call "update-initramfs -c -k uname" instead of "update-initramfs -c -k $(uname -r)"
[21:51] <ioria> Raidwas,   ls /boot   again please
[21:53] <onlyonemac> i keep getting an error "mount: cannot mount /dev/loop0 read-only" when trying to mount a disk image
[21:53] <onlyonemac> this wasn't happening before
[21:55] <Raidwas> ioria: so once ls /boot/ before apt-get install, then one ls /boot/ afterwards, then removed the new initrd again using update-initramfs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23794524/
[21:56] <ioria> Raidwas,   sudo update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r`
[21:57] <boritek> hello, how can I make dns lookup work in Ubuntu, after connecting to a vpn? Currently I cant nslookup an internal address name on the vpn network
[21:57] <onlyonemac> boritek: make sure you're using the DNS servers supplied by the VPN, not the ones that you normally use
[21:57] <boritek> Although I added vpn dns servert in the network manager gui. also how how can I make dnsmasq send all queries to all dns servers?
[21:58] <Raidwas> ioria: works like expected: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23794534/
[21:58] <boritek> onlyonemac: yes I use it still it does not look it up
[21:58] <boritek> I can see the vpn dns servers in the connection information of the netwrokmanager gui
[21:59] <onlyonemac> i keep getting an error "mount: cannot mount /dev/loop0 read-only" when trying to mount a disk image read-only
[21:59] <wedgie> onlyonemac: what command are you using?
[21:59] <onlyonemac> sudo mount img /mnt -o ro,offset=$((4751360*512))
[21:59] <ioria> Raidwas,   i have the feeling that it get reformed ....
[21:59] <onlyonemac> where "img" is my image file
[22:00] <onlyonemac> the offset is to select the correct partition
[22:00] <onlyonemac> and i don't want to mount read-write because it's important that the image is not modified
[22:00] <Raidwas> ioria: what do you mean with "it get reformed"?
[22:00] <ioria> Raidwas,  initrd.img-uname
[22:00] <wedgie> used to have to say -o loop.... maybe try that?
[22:00] <onlyonemac> it used to work this way
[22:00] <onlyonemac> i thought it was a kernel upgrade but i'm using the old kernel again now
[22:01] <ioria> Raidwas,  nvm
[22:01] <onlyonemac> nope, -o loop gives the same error
[22:01] <lubo__> hi all
[22:01] <ioria> Raidwas,  you removed it, but after install linux-firmware it was still there
[22:03] <wedgie> onlyonemac: any of this help? https://pen-testing.sans.org/blog/2016/12/07/mount-a-raspberry-pi-file-system-image
[22:03] <onlyonemac> ok so i tried to mount one of the other partitions (different offset) and it worked
[22:03] <freeaks> hi there, how can i disable gtk csd ? i would like to have normal looking apps with proper window border
[22:03] <Raidwas> ioria: yes because the install procedure of linux-firmware tries to update the initramfs, but calls update-initramfs with uname not evaluated into the kernel version, resulting in the new initrf.img-uname
[22:03] <wedgie> onlyonemac: maybe you need to specify the filesystem type then?
[22:03] <Raidwas> ioria: *created again
[22:03] <onlyonemac> i'm not 100% sure of the type
[22:03] <wedgie> onlyonemac: you sure you're not trying to mount swap or something?
[22:04] <onlyonemac> nope, definitely not swap
[22:04] <ioria> Raidwas, ok, that's not normal it should call 4.4.0.59
[22:04] <onlyonemac> usually if i try to mount a partition that doesn't have a recognised filesystem in it, it says "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock"... etc
[22:05] <freeaks> am i the only one that cannot stand the strange looking window border of gtk3 apps ?
[22:05] <onlyonemac> no, you're not
[22:05] <BlueShark> no you're not
[22:05] <masterlinux_> hi, how can i get new mail notification for thunderbird. using ubuntu mate 16.10
[22:05] <BlueShark> i get mini-cancer every time I look at that.
[22:05] <Raidwas> ioria: correct, and the question is why the hell should that happen -.- and if apt is written with a bash script or similar, where do i find it to fix it...
[22:06] <Jordan_U> onlyonemac: Remove write permissions on the image file, then run "sudo kpartx -a /path/to/image" then mount the /dev/mapper/loopXpY device node that is created for the partition. Don't bother with manual offsets.
[22:06] <nacc> Raidwas: afaict, postinst of linux-firmware calls `update-initramfs -u -k all`
[22:07] <onlyonemac> Jordan_U: there are like, 50 partitions on this thing
[22:07] <onlyonemac> Jordan_U: and, i've always used offsets
[22:07] <MonkeyDust> masterlinux_  look in the add-ons, there's something called Enhanced notofications
[22:07] <Jordan_U> onlyonemac: Linux can handle many more than 50 partitions :)
[22:07] <nacc> Raidwas: and update-initramfs is a shell script you can try and debug
[22:07] <onlyonemac> Jordan_U: yeah, i know, it's just that i've always done it this way
[22:07] <onlyonemac> also, the filesystem is f2fs btw
[22:08] <onlyonemac> i've mounted those before with no problems
[22:08] <ioria> Raidwas, i can't tell you exactly, but something you installed before should have modified the behaviour
[22:08] <onlyonemac> and in fact it mounts read-write quite happily, except that it changes the underlying image
[22:08] <Raidwas> nacc: indeed, that produces the exact error!!
[22:09] <Jordan_U> onlyonemac: And right now it's not working for you. I suggest that you try a different way. Also, the way that I recommended leaves much less room for user error, meaning that if it still fails I don't have to play 20 questions to check the other things that might have gone wrong.
[22:09] <nacc> Raidwas: what does `ls -1 /var/lib/initramfs-tools | linux-version sort --reverse` output?
[22:09] <onlyonemac> Jordan_U: and i see no reason why i should do it a different way when it's always worked before
[22:09] <nacc> Raidwas: in a pastebin
[22:09] <onlyonemac> Jordan_U: trust me, the offset is definitely correct, there's no need to play 20 questions
[22:09] <Raidwas> ioria, nacc: the error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23794587/
[22:10] <onlyonemac> background info: it's an image of my phone. i have made images of it before and mounted them like this with no problems. this image i created about half an hour ago and it's giving me this error.
[22:10] <ioria> Raidwas, yes, it calls all
[22:10] <onlyonemac> i have always mounted them like this.
[22:10] <Raidwas> nacc: it produces "uname \n uname -r\n ...." (.... are the correct entries)
[22:10] <Jordan_U> onlyonemac: I gave you two reasons. A third is that following my directions will mean that you will get my help troubleshooting the problem. Not following them means you won't. You are free to decide if that is of value to you.
[22:11] <nacc> Raidwas: yes, that's the issue, something added those, in error (i would guess someone manually ran a script or tried to create an initrd incorrectly)
[22:11] <onlyonemac> Jordan_U: if you can't help me to do it the way that i want to do it, then i'm not interested. i'm not interested in people that force me to change my workflow before they're prepared to help.
[22:11] <Jordan_U> onlyonemac: Note that for many filesystems mounting read only will still replay the journal if the FS wasn't unmounted cleanly, meaning that an RO mount *can* change the filesystem.
[22:12] <onlyonemac> Jordan_U: the filesystem was not unmounted uncleanly, i am aware of that issue
[22:12] <ProfessorKaos64> getting a license plate, what would be nice, 1linux, gnulinx, or su-root ?
[22:12] <onlyonemac> tbh i wish there was a foolproof way to prevent writing to a filesystem
[22:13] <ProfessorKaos64> ummm ... an encrypted drive lol
[22:13] <Jordan_U> onlyonemac: My go to way when I am paranoid is to create a read only loopback device with "losetup --readonly". This works for image files and real block devices.
[22:13] <ProfessorKaos64> our hospital uses strong fs-level keys
[22:14] <ProfessorKaos64> upon RHEL setup
[22:14] <ProfessorKaos64> then SAN at rest encryption
[22:14] <Raidwas> ioria, nacc: can i just delete the incorrect entries in /var/lib/initramfs-tools/uname?
[22:14] <onlyonemac> Jordan_U: i tried that here too, it said "cannot mount read-write, device is read-only" and then gave the same "cannot mount read-only" error
[22:14] <onlyonemac> but i know that's not what you're getting at
[22:14] <ioria> Raidwas,  'd say 'move' not remove
[22:15] <nacc> Raidwas: i *think* it is safe to delete files from /var/lib/initramfs-tools that are incorrect. (i'm not sure, though, and hope you have backups). But as ioria says probably mv them to somewhere lese
[22:15] <Raidwas> plenty of snapshots, not backups in that case ^^
[22:16] <ioria> Raidwas,  i have to go, sorry, hope you solve .
[22:16] <DevilTiger> got ubuntu installed to a usb finally. when i try to boot to it it just boots to a wallpaper :/
[22:16] <Raidwas> ioria: thanks for the great help, would have started setting up that system from scratch again...
[22:17] <MonkeyDust> DevilTiger  try changing the wallpaper    (joke)
[22:17] <onlyonemac> oh for fsck's sake i'm just gonna copy the partition to a separate file
[22:17] <onlyonemac> see if that works
[22:18] <lopas> i have a ctf , who's want to have a fun with some funny challenge's ? pm me if you're interested and i can bet for it :) seriously
[22:18] <Jordan_U> lopas: This channel is for Ubuntu support only. Please don't solicit PMs or anything else that is not directly Ubuntu support.
[22:19] <DevilTiger> MonkeyDust: lol, i've tried running update and removing unity and reinstalling unity with no luck
[22:19] <onlyonemac> lopas: try ubuntu-offtopic
[22:20] <Raidwas> nacc: "update-initramfs -u -k all" works now. going to test apt-get install linux-firmware now..
[22:21] <onlyonemac> ok so i passed -o norecovery to mount
[22:21] <Raidwas> nacc: finally no more errors on apt-get upgrade ^^ thank you verry much. Now i only have to get that firmware back..
[22:22] <onlyonemac> and it worked
[22:22] <onlyonemac> i don't know if that means that the filesystem needs recovery or not though
[22:23] <onlyonemac> i would find it strange if it does, i'm sure it was cleanly unmounted, i rebooted the phone to recovery and took an image, making sure that it wasn't mounted
[22:23] <elky> lopas: don't do that here.
[22:24] <elky> lopas: don't spam any of our channels please, not even offtopic ones.
[22:24] <lopas> elky i dont , look : <Jordan_U> lopas: This channel is for Ubuntu support only. Please don't solicit PMs or anything else that is not directly Ubuntu support.
[22:24] <Raidwas> nacc: thank you verry much, impressed by the amount of help here ^^
[22:24] <wmwm> so I have to reinstall Ubuntu. I opened my partition editor and there is three unnamed volumes that went there before and I can't delete them. they are like 300 mb each. do I need to figure out how to remove them before I install again?
[22:24] <lopas> elky <onlyonemac> lopas: try ubuntu-offtopic
[22:24] <nacc> Raidwas: np, glad it worked
[22:24] <elky> lopas: i don't care what they told you. don't spam our channel
[22:25] <Raidwas> exit
[22:25] <onlyonemac> whoops ;)
[22:25] <rasberry> ls
[22:25] <onlyonemac> whoops ;-)
[22:26] <Raidwas> habits...
[22:26] <onlyonemac> clear
[22:26] <onlyonemac> exit
[22:26] <onlyonemac> whoops :embarrassed:
[22:27] <Raidwas> well atleast no one tried :q ^^
[22:27] <reisio> :q!
[22:27] <reisio> stupid irc client, useless
[22:27] <Bashing-om> wmwm: Depends on what option you choose to re-install . And what you want as the end result . ' erase disk and install ubuntu ' will do just that . Else show us a screenchot of GParted; . So we see what you see .
[22:27] <Speiros> what's wrong reisio?
[22:27] <reisio> nothin' much
[22:28] <Speiros> reisio Ok.  I thought you might have been having trouble with your client there.
[22:29] <SuperLag> So I created a system with LVM. I later wanted to increase the disk size. Shut the VM down, resized it there. Booted up the VM and resized the partition in fdisk. Then I used gparted to expaned the LVM partition. That makes it looks like it's all done and expanded. Yet df -h only shows the original size, even after reboots.
[22:30] <reisio> Speiros: :p
[22:30] <Speiros> :)
[22:30] <wedgie> SuperLag: probably still have to expend the filesystem sitting on top of lvm
[22:30] <SuperLag> reisio: irssi wan kenobi, it's your only hope :D
[22:30] <reisio> mmm
[22:31] <SuperLag> wedgie: I'm confused. I thought I was doing things right.
[22:31] <reisio> hah, classic mistake
[22:31] <SuperLag> wedgie: I deleted both sda2 (the extended partition) and sda5 (the actual LVM partition) and re-added them both at the larger size
[22:31] <wedgie> SuperLag: sounds like you're doing fine... just one more step
[22:31] <SuperLag> wrote the table
[22:31] <SuperLag> rebooted
[22:32] <SuperLag> used gparted to do the magic
[22:32] <SuperLag> the expanding magic, that is
[22:32] <SuperLag> gparted makes it look right
[22:34] <wedgie> SuperLag: lvm takes your disks and makes "fake" block devices that your actual filesystem sits on top of
[22:35] <wedgie> SuperLag: so sounds like you've fixed up lvm, but the filesysem (ext4 probably?) still is the smaller size
[22:35] <SuperLag> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ibf931d2tx8tqlz/gparted.png?dl=0
[22:39] <wedgie> SuperLag: probably just need something like ''resize2fs /dev/sdXX'' where sdxx is whatever the lvm device is
[22:51] <dinelson> Hi guys
[22:56] <tim___> hi
[22:59] <JamesB> How long, after selecting "Configure software RAID", should I need to wait at the purple install screen? It's been about five minutes
[23:03] <dinelson> hello?
[23:03] <dinelson> I need help
[23:04] <k1l_> dinelson: just ask :)
[23:04] <heston> ask your question, if someone knows, they'll help
[23:04] <tim___> dineslson ask a question
[23:04] <dinelson> I'm using Backbox Linux
[23:05] <dinelson> Mr Kll & heston
[23:05] <k1l_> dinelson: for help on that ask the backbox specialists in #backbox
[23:05] <tim___> than why are you asking for help in this chat room?
[23:05] <dinelson> ok dude thankx
[23:06] <JamesB> What is a good way to diagnose a hanging Ubuntu install? It just asked me about writing partition data, and now the installer is clearly hanged. It's been a good ten or fifteen minutes.
[23:07] <tim___> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/ch05s04.html jamesB
[23:08] <kbrosnan> if for some reason you selected a full format of the disks that can take a few hours if you have a large disk
[23:08] <JamesB> My CD-ROM drive is fine. It's a USB drive. It is booting fine to the installer, just hanging after the part about updating partition data.
[23:10] <k1l_> JamesB: as already said: some partitioning can take longer than 10 minutes
[23:10] <JamesB> Even when no formatting is being done?
[23:11] <JamesB> Is the blank purple screen a progress bar of some kind, then...?
[23:12] <reisio> JamesB: can be, if it's taking its time to load
[23:12] <reisio> I wouldn't wait more than a few minutes, though
[23:15] <DevilTiger> i'm having trouble installing mp3 decoder for rhythmbox
[23:16] <GeorgeTorwell> I used to have a boyfriend named "Ubuntu" once...
[23:16] <GeorgeTorwell> ...I'll just show myself out
[23:17] <reisio> I miss GeorgeTorwell
[23:18] <reisio> DevilTiger: yeah, what trouble's that?
[23:18] <SuperLag> this is annoying
[23:18] <reisio> what is?
[23:18] <SuperLag> reisio: trying to resize LVM and not having it work
[23:20] <tim___> how are you trying to re-size?
[23:20] <DevilTiger> it installed then when i try to play it doesnt play
[23:20] <k1l_> DevilTiger: what did you install?
[23:21] <DevilTiger> whatever decoder it reccomended. the names weren't particularly easy to remember
[23:21] <tim___> Deviltiger if you selected third party solfware repo when installing ubuntu you should need to install codecs
[23:21] <SuperLag> tim___: It's a VM. Shut it down from VMware Fusion. Resize the disk there, from 40GB to 100GB. Boot it up with a gparted ISO, and extend the volume there. Then reboot into the VM and run lvextend and resize2fs
[23:22] <k1l_> DevilTiger: gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3  should be the right one. after that every program should be able to play mp3
[23:22] <reisio> SuperLag: yeah, lvm is annoying indeed
[23:22] <DevilTiger> okay got it working now. how do i choose default music program
[23:22] <reisio> DevilTiger: right click a file type in your file manager
[23:22] <reisio> that's the simplest way
[23:23] <DevilTiger> reiso: i right clicked it...how does that choose the default app?
[23:25] <SuperLag> $#!@$!@$!$#@
[23:25] <reisio> DevilTiger: r-e-i-TAB
[23:25] <reisio> DevilTiger: properties, assign a specific app, that's how
[23:25] <DevilTiger> gotcha, kudos
[23:38] <cp> hey guys
[23:39] <cp> you wouldn't happen to know where php 5.6 is located when using 16.04
[23:39] <cp> ?
[23:39] <cp> i have enabled the dual 7.0 and 5.6
[23:39] <cfhowlett> whereis php            << terminal
[23:40] <cp> i have done which php
[23:40] <cp> but its showing /usr/bin/php
[23:40] <cp> and thats 7.0
[23:41] <lkjh> i run ubuntu on 2 notebooks, same model. Only difference: one has 2 2 GiB RAM cards, the other 2 16 GiB RAm cards. Will the processor get warmer sooner in the 32 GiB RAM model?
[23:41] <Aidan_> hi
[23:42] <cp> thanks cfhowlett
[23:42] <cp> found it!
[23:42] <k1l_> cp: enabled dual php? 16.04 only ships php7.0
[23:42] <cp> yeah but you can swap the modules
[23:42] <k1l_> lkjh: no, should not matter.
[23:44] <cp> a2enmod php5.6
[23:44] <cp> by doing that
[23:44] <cp> two secs I will get you a link for future ref
[23:45] <cp> http://askubuntu.com/questions/761713/how-can-i-downgrade-from-php-7-to-php-5-6-on-ubuntu-16-04
[23:45] <nacc> cp: you are using a PPA to do so, you will need to talk to the PPA onwer
[23:45] <cp> there you go mate
[23:45] <nacc> *owner, rather
[23:45] <cp> yeah
[23:45] <cp> its a development env
[23:45] <cp> not production
[23:45] <k1l_> cp: yes, you are using the PPA fom ondrej. the original ubuntu repos only support php7 since 16.04
[23:46] <nacc> cp: not sure why that's relevant?
[23:47] <cp> whats the licence on ppa?
[23:48] <nacc> i'm not sure PPAs are 'licensed'
[23:48] <nacc> beyond agreeing to canonical's terms of service, i assume
[23:49] <reisio> think he meant ondrej's particular ppa for this particular package
[23:49] <reisio> the license for the package
[23:49] <cp> I am so confused?
[23:49] <nacc> reisio: oh ...
[23:50] <reisio> tldr: rsync
[23:50] <SuperLag> awesome... so I increase the filesystem to 100GB. Finally get it to resize, but it only increases to 83GB. <insert swearing here>
[23:50] <cp> why will i have to talk to the ppa onwer?
[23:50] <nacc> cp: becuase php5 is not supported on 16.04
[23:50] <nacc> cp: not officially, by ubuntu, you only hve it via the PPA packages from ondrej, and he is responsible for supporting them
[23:50] <reisio> SuperLag: 83, or 93?
[23:51] <cp> ahhh are you saying ask in another room?
[23:51] <Dreaman> k1l_  btrfs or ext4 more stable in ubuntu
[23:51] <k1l_> Dreaman: ext4 is more stable in general
[23:52] <reisio> if you have to ask, yes, ext4
[23:52] <nacc> cp: no, i'm saying that if you use a PPA to install pacakges in ubuntu, the pacakges you install from that PPA are only supported by the PPA's owner
[23:52] <MonkeyDust> i use btrfs and am happy with it
[23:52] <nacc> (generally)
[23:53] <k1l_> cp: no. everyone can create a PPA and put packages in there and even change the packages. its not under ubuntus control. so if anything happens with that packages its a thing beside you and the PPA maker.
[23:53] <reisio> MonkeyDust: oh yeah? What makes you happy about it?
[23:53] <SuperLag> reisio: 83
[23:53] <SuperLag> reisio: it's weird
[23:53] <reisio> SuperLag: what says it's 83?
[23:53] <SuperLag> reisio: df -h
[23:53] <reisio> SuperLag: pastebin it
[23:53] <MonkeyDust> reisio  no problems with it, is what i mean
[23:53] <k1l_> SuperLag: GB vs GiB?
[23:54] <reisio> MonkeyDust: so you like btrfs because it's an FS
[23:54] <reisio> that's not exactly useful as a comparison to ext4
[23:54] <reisio> just sayin' :p
[23:54] <cp> i was just saying a way you can get php 5.6 on ubuntu 16.04
[23:54] <reisio> cp: probably, but not any way worth pursuing
[23:54] <reisio> don't use old php
[23:54] <reisio> and while you're at it, don't use php
[23:54] <reisio> you'll be happier
[23:54] <MonkeyDust> reisio  i was curious and started using it
[23:54] <wedgie> very realistic advice.
[23:55] <nacc> cp: an unofficial way, unsupported here.
[23:55] <reisio> wedgie: so true
[23:55] <cp> i get you now
[23:55]  * wedgie is in the process of transitioning from 5.6 to 7.0
[23:56] <cp> why did ubuntu stop support of php 5 anyways?
[23:56] <wedgie> funnily enough, in debian they *only* have 5.6. Have to go to 3rd party repos to get 7.0
[23:56] <nacc> wedgie: not true
[23:56] <wedgie> cp: probably because PHP stopped supporting php5.6
[23:56] <SuperLag> reisio: http://pastebin.com/EVuLUKa1
[23:56] <nacc> wedgie: php7 is in debian testing and unstable and is the basis for ubuntu's version
[23:56] <wedgie> nacc: using stretch doesn't count.
[23:57] <nacc> cp: because we'd need to do the transition at some point, and at the time, php had not yet extended the support timeline for php5
[23:57] <reisio> SuperLag: ubuntu--vg-root?