[00:31] <studio-user281> Okay
[00:32] <studio-user281> I see your on this list as well.
[00:33] <krytarik> studio-user281: Then I'm sure you've seen this already?: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio
[00:34] <studio-user281> Yes
[00:36] <krytarik> studio-user281: Do you have an Ubuntu One/Launchpad account yet?  You'll need one to make any contributions there.
[00:37] <studio-user281> I'm thinking something along the lines of full tutorials similar to wikihow or blog tutorials starting with simply getting programs open and working together. Killing pulseaudio if needed or at least getting  it under control if its missbehaving.
[00:38] <studio-user281> Yes I do.
[00:40] <studio-user281> I'm not the most knowledgable so I'll be needing some help from time to time. At least someone who knows better than I do to double check that I didn't fudge something up that will cause users problems or just reflect badly.
[00:42] <krytarik> Yes, I'm sure we can help you with this.
[00:43] <studio-user281> afk brb
[00:45] <studio-user281> back
[00:47] <studio-user281> who do I need to contact on Launchpad?  The mailing list thing doesn't mean gmail does it?
[00:48] <krytarik> Contact about what?
[00:50] <studio-user281> I can't just post it on the wiki can I ? Anyway I'd like someone to double check it before I made it public.
[00:50] <krytarik> Well, it's a wiki - people get notified on changes.
[00:51] <krytarik> But pretty sure you can't do ones just yet.
[00:51] <krytarik> Mind telling us your LP user name, btw?
[00:52] <studio-user281> Yea well I've never contributed to any wiki before and have no idea how this works. 
[00:53] <studio-user281> CoffeeandNicotine
[00:56] <krytarik> Please see the bit on here regarding gaining permission: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide#Contributing
[00:58] <krytarik> Ah, I see: https://launchpad.net/~aggravated1
[00:59] <studio-user281> Yep
[01:06] <studio-user281> The user guide is what I want to help with. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UserGuide/Audio
[01:08] <OvenWerks> studio-user281: That page looks like a bare start.
[01:08] <studio-user281> Really the whole thing needs done.
[01:08] <OvenWerks> yup
[01:10] <studio-user281> I've looked at the penguinproducer but that has Kxstudio reps added and adding those adds so many things that for a beginner like me it just becomes confusing.
[01:11] <OvenWerks> :) I wonder how falk feels about that...
[01:11] <OvenWerks> It is all supposed to make things easier
[01:12] <OvenWerks> In general, running jack from session start with a pa-jack bridge is the easiest way of doing things if the system is that way OOTB
[01:13] <OvenWerks> kxstudio is set that way, or can be set that way from Cadence
[01:14] <studio-user281> I've two laptop's with Ubuntu Studio on them one with Kxstudio and one without. The one with Kxstudio the sound for the browser stopped working and I'm probably just going to reinstall the whole system on it.
[01:15] <studio-user281> Never have gotten Guitarix working on the one with Kxstudio but it works fine on the one with just Ubuntu Studio.
[01:15] <OvenWerks> Ah, PA to jack is one of those things either it is set just right or it doesn't work.
[01:17] <studio-user281> Anyway what I want to do for Ubuntu Studio is get the wiki user guide up to date and complete.
[01:17] <OvenWerks> studio-user281: I have found that removing all alsa modules from pulse and using jack as it's only sound device is what works best.
[01:19] <OvenWerks> holstien used to run his desktop to internal audio out and from there back into his firewire io and back out to the audio playback... but that should not be needed for a long time.
[01:20] <studio-user281> For both with Kxstudio reps added and without?
[01:20]  * OvenWerks is not so good with documentation.
[01:21] <OvenWerks> personally I don't use the kxstudio repos. I have built Carla for my own use (would like to see it packaged for debian/ubuntu)
[01:22] <OvenWerks> studio-user281: I would start working on without. if you find time using kxstudio repos with UbuntuStudio could be added.
[01:24] <studio-user281> Well yea I wasn't going to mention Kxstudio I was just wanting to see Ubuntu Studio have a user guide.
[01:24] <studio-user281> but I've messed with it.
[01:25] <OvenWerks> I have played with it too. I like Carla, but not cadence
[01:26] <OvenWerks> I use my own script.
[01:26] <studio-user281> Cool
[01:26]  * OvenWerks is on his way out to the movies with his family
[01:26] <OvenWerks> I'll be back later
[01:26] <studio-user281> okay enjoy
[01:33] <studio-user281> Okay so assuming I make a post on the wiki is it like in wordpress where it can be set for review before its public?
[01:40] <krytarik> studio-user281: I don't think so - but don't worry, it's all versioned, and can always be improved later.
[01:41] <krytarik> (But of course, you still need permission first.)
[01:41] <studio-user281> I'll be on tomorrow. I logged into launchpad and requested to join. 
[01:42] <krytarik> Good.
[01:44] <studio-user281> Thanks for the help krytarik
[01:45] <krytarik> Sure - and thanks for your interest.  And we might have to expidate your acceptance to that team a bit. :P
[01:46] <studio-user281> Cool Beans cya tomorrow if your on
[01:46] <studio-user281> I'm out
[01:47] <krytarik> Have fun.
[19:05] <eylul> so uh.. 
[19:05] <eylul> https://packages.debian.org/sid/krita
[19:05] <eylul> this apparently happened
[19:16] <OvenWerks> eylul: I think thats good?
[19:16] <eylul> it is!
[19:17] <OvenWerks> \o/
[19:17] <eylul> I am not sure it made it to ubuntu side yet but we can sort that out, if kubuntu team didn't beat us to it
[19:17] <OvenWerks> So we can get krita again.
[19:17] <eylul> yes!!!
[19:17] <eylul> *ahem sorry* a bit excited about this
[19:18] <OvenWerks> I have moved the system side of -controls to /bin/sh BTW
[19:18] <eylul> ok
[19:18] <eylul> wait where where they before?
[19:18] <eylul> *is confused*
[19:19] <OvenWerks> but I have not done much still as I was working on adding personall  monitoring to Ardour (done) and redoing the manual (OSC part is done) it was using bash before.
[19:19] <eylul> oh
[19:19] <OvenWerks> Sorry, -control system side I had started with bash
[19:19]  * eylul has no strong opinions on the matter
[19:20] <OvenWerks> One of you suggested sh would be better
[19:20] <OvenWerks> maybe it was krytarik 
[19:20] <eylul> probably. I normally use bash, and I don't do a lot of elaborate shell scripting anyway
[19:20] <OvenWerks> anyway, sh allows more systems to use it
[19:20] <eylul> ah
[19:21] <OvenWerks> sh is less flexable and maybe a little more secure... though probably not for what we are doing.
[19:22] <eylul> *nods* I see
[19:22] <eylul> I really need to pull off the UI and start working on it this week
[19:23] <eylul> now that I survived the lets install ubuntu to a less than a year old laptop saga, more or less intact
[19:23] <OvenWerks> eylul: I should put up where it is these days :)
[19:23] <eylul> (IF you want me to work on it that is)
[19:25] <OvenWerks> eylul: I think if I have two *.glade files open I can drag and drop the container from one to the other. I am only working on two tabs
[19:27] <eylul> ovenWerks: if that will work better, I can work with that too... I do find it easier to start drawing then move to glade anyway, so whichever works easier for you
[19:37] <eylul> krytarik, OvenWerks also: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krita
[19:38] <OvenWerks> I am assuming you are looking at tablet setup
[19:39] <eylul> *nods*
[19:40] <OvenWerks> eylul: That should all end up in one container like a "box"
[19:40] <eylul> I do plan to go over the UI of audio side too, but it is probably better done once you are done with all the features.
[19:40] <OvenWerks> GTKBox to be exact.
[19:40] <eylul> I am not still entirely sure if we should keep wacom as part of the settings... or be split off to its own setting that can be launched from the ubuntustudio settings
[19:41] <OvenWerks> Yeah, I have to do lots in Audio still.
[19:47] <eylul> *nods*
[19:47] <eylul> we are not aiming for zesty right?
[19:47] <eylul> at least with tablet side I am not aiming for zesty but.. 
[19:47]  * OvenWerks doesn't know...
[19:47] <eylul> well ok, it happens when it happens
[19:50] <OvenWerks> eylul: http://www.ovenwerks.net/paste/controls-audio.png
[19:50] <OvenWerks> left side shows if audio is setup wrong right side is correct.
[19:51] <OvenWerks> eylul: there is no going back :) Basically it just fixes a bad install
[19:51] <eylul> especially useful if somebody installs packages
[19:52] <OvenWerks> Instead of Real Time Permissions Enabled, I should probably have real Time properly installed or some such.
[19:52] <eylul> they cannot switch back to normal kernel?
[19:53] <OvenWerks> eylul: yes but this is really about installing jack right
[19:53] <OvenWerks> even with a generic kernel giving RT permissions helps jack run correctly
[19:54] <eylul> ok
[19:54] <eylul> suggestions
[19:54] <eylul> instead of checkbox, I would have a button to fix it
[19:54] <eylul> and only a text line if it is fixed 
[19:54] <OvenWerks> eylul: sounds good
[19:55] <OvenWerks> I used a check box because.... it was that way before
[19:55] <OvenWerks> I did try to hide the whole check box line... it did not work.
[19:56] <OvenWerks> I can try boxing the whole thing and hide that. But the red text line is just changed to "" when not needed. I felt if I could not hide the check box there needed to be some text to explain it's presense
[19:57] <eylul> http://www.cosketch.com/Rooms/mvxbbyv
[19:57] <eylul> that's fair
[19:57] <OvenWerks> with a button I should be able to remove the border so even if it can't be hidden it won't be seen.
[19:58] <eylul> its just from a UI perspective. I'd rather see a button when it is not possible, a status text when done, but not sure if glade allows that
[19:58] <eylul> yup
[19:58] <eylul> also profiles :) 
[19:58] <eylul> e.g. audio profiles
[19:59] <eylul> http://www.cosketch.com/Rooms/mvxbbyv (tries co-drawing tool)
[19:59] <eylul> sorry double linking
[19:59] <OvenWerks> it is taking a while to load
[20:00] <eylul> this is temporary until I can find something self-hosted that does the same thing
[20:00] <eylul> :D
[20:01] <OvenWerks> All I see is two rectangles about the size of my whole png :/
[20:01] <OvenWerks> Ah, now it is starting to draw
[20:02] <eylul> wow this thing is awful
[20:03] <eylul> no font size setting
[20:03] <eylul> :D
[20:04] <OvenWerks> I would have the warning text in red as is with the button under. Once the user presses it the red text changes to tell the user they have to log out and back in for it to take effect and the button no longer is shown (one way or another) Then on next login that whole portion is not there.
[20:05] <eylul> ok
[20:05] <OvenWerks> Or states it is correctly installed
[20:05] <OvenWerks> So there is some indication when the user presses the button that something happened
[20:06]  * OvenWerks is being called...
[20:06] <eylul> I am going to move this to a proper file, just brainstorming. 
[20:08] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I am going to spend some time with the family for a while. I will be back later or 2morrow.
[20:09] <eylul> Alright. I'll finish and email the drawing sketch to list
[20:09] <eylul> or I might just do it in glade
[20:09] <OvenWerks> :)
[20:10] <eylul> :)
[20:10] <eylul> ttyl
[23:58] <eylul> ovenwerks, glade file and pngs are at the mail :)