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| ochosi | evening everyone | 21:00 |
| knome | hello sir | 21:05 |
| ochosi | how's everything? | 21:10 |
| knome | that's a broad question | 21:11 |
| knome | so i'll just say | 21:11 |
| knome | everything is as everything is | 21:11 |
| knome | so xangua was mentioning doing some OEM installations with xubuntu | 21:12 |
| knome | i know we don't support that yet, but we really should look at it | 21:12 |
| knome | it would need testing, so we'll need to convince akxwi-dave (and probably flocculant too) | 21:12 |
| ochosi | what specifically would need testing? | 21:15 |
| knome | if we enable the OEM installation, we should make sure the OEM setup works | 21:16 |
| knome | do you know what that does? | 21:16 |
| knome | or in general what i'm talking about? | 21:16 |
| knome | s/enable/tell we support/ | 21:16 |
| knome | (that's a real question, i don't know if you are familiar with it or not) | 21:17 |
| ochosi | not really familiar with it | 21:32 |
| knome | ok, so with OEM, person A technically installs xubuntu, but the choose the OEM option | 21:32 |
| knome | at this point they usually give out the system to somebody else, because... | 21:32 |
| knome | when person B opens the computer, they get the "first boot" questions like "who are you" etc. | 21:33 |
| knome | that data is then used to actually set up the system, the first user etc. | 21:33 |
| knome | (as a sidenote, there's also a possibility to show a (different) "installer" slideshow for person B) | 21:34 |
| knome | so what would need testing is that if the OEM installer (that person B uses) is able to set up things correctly | 21:34 |
| knome | because obviously, person A (who is often the tech-minded person here, while person B definitely isn't) can't check that | 21:35 |
| knome | because then they'd essentially do the OEM setup as well, so they might just as well install directly | 21:35 |
| knome | i'm pretty sure you can set some bit to make the OEM install run again, but that still doesn't solve our problem | 21:36 |
| knome | the issue xangua was hitting is that some locales weren't set correctly | 21:36 |
| knome | eg. he tried to install in spanish, but got the "kl" locale (kalaallisut) for time, for example | 21:37 |
| knome | so the clock on the panel said something really weird | 21:37 |
| knome | i'm pretty sure this particular issue isn't xubuntu-specific, but we should make sure it isn't, and that there aren't other issues that are | 21:38 |
| knome | so practically this would help people who help set up systems for other people | 21:38 |
| knome | not the regular user who installs for themselves | 21:39 |
| knome | unless they're a bit weird like ubottu | 21:39 |
| knome | i mean Unit193 | 21:39 |
| knome | (: | 21:39 |
| Unit193 | Never used OEM. | 21:41 |
| knome | i didn't say you used OEM, i said you are weird | 21:41 |
| knome | (: | 21:41 |
| Unit193 | OK, won't refute that part. | 21:42 |
| ochosi | so basically OEM means you customize/prep the image for others..? | 21:42 |
| knome | no | 21:42 |
| knome | it means you'll install the system for them | 21:42 |
| knome | and they only have to insert their user data | 21:42 |
| knome | so what a computer repair shop could do | 21:42 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Means that on first setup is when it asks you for user/host/language, not during install. | 21:43 |
| Unit193 | EG, when you buy a computer from the store. | 21:43 |
| knome | exactly | 21:43 |
| ochosi | right | 21:43 |
| knome | like windows does | 21:43 |
| ochosi | haven't set up windows in forever | 21:43 |
| knome | but if that OEM installer part makes the locale fails | 21:43 |
| ochosi | so i wouldn't know | 21:43 |
| knome | then it's probably more harmful than helpful | 21:43 |
| knome | so that's the reason we should do some OEM testing | 21:44 |
| knome | that isn't arch dependent, so one good thing | 21:44 |
| knome | but it should still be done more than once in a cycle | 21:45 |
| knome | ochosi, re: custom images; we have that page for derivatives, so we could list stuff there | 21:45 |
| knome | Unit193, isn't the documentation for creating custom images a bit bad generally? | 21:46 |
| knome | or is it just confusing because it's "so hard"? | 21:46 |
| ochosi | is it really that hard? | 21:46 |
| ochosi | to be frank, i've never tried/cared | 21:47 |
| knome | me neither | 21:47 |
| knome | but aiui, the documentation is bad | 21:47 |
| ochosi | but i may give it a shot now, may even need it at work | 21:47 |
| knome | http://xubuntu.org/dev/derivatives/ | 21:47 |
| knome | we don't point to anything there | 21:47 |
| knome | it would be useful/nice to have some kind of pointer to something that helps you remove the things we want you to remoev | 21:48 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: ok, i always follow this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch | 21:49 |
| knome | HiddenDjinn, a quick recap: we're specifically discussing improving http://xubuntu.org/dev/derivatives/ to have at least some pointers to help remove the stuff we want derivatives to remove | 21:49 |
| knome | my problem with that page is that it is awfully long (which is probably fair), but more importantly, that it has the discussion in it | 21:50 |
| knome | i'm an admin on that wiki so i could probably move the discussion away, but as i don't know much about the subject, i'm not sure if that would be wise | 21:50 |
| knome | at least the "best advice" on the comments should be merged on the article itself | 21:50 |
| knome | also, they talk about bugs in 12.04 and earlier - any of the releases mentioned there aren't supported soon | 21:51 |
| knome | so it might need some cleaning up | 21:51 |
| knome | also some specific notes for 10.04 and 9.04 | 21:51 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: agreed, it needs cleaning up | 21:53 |
| knome | i give all my support for doing that | 21:55 |
| knome | can also help with wiki-technical things and act as an "authority" for acking to move the comments away from the page after the good things are merged in the article (if any) | 21:56 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: well, i'll take a look and mark what works and what needs to change about the guide if you like | 21:57 |
| knome | that would be helpful - not just for us, but way more people | 21:58 |
| knome | and thanks | 21:58 |
| knome | and feel free to poke me here about it | 21:58 |
| HiddenDjinn | i haven't made any paranoid liveusb's lately(paranoid being not trusting the data to be off my person at any time, therefore having a full system on a usb) | 21:59 |
| knome | heh | 21:59 |
| knome | i don't think that's a requirement on editing that page ;) | 21:59 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: but making one is a requirement for refining the process for others | 21:59 |
| knome | sure | 22:00 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: i can do it with virtual machines, and get back to you on it | 22:00 |
| knome | but you can edit the stuff that isn't related to that | 22:00 |
| knome | and if you need help with paranoid stuff, refer to Unit193 | 22:00 |
| knome | or krytarik | 22:00 |
| HiddenDjinn | btw, ttf-mscorefonts-installer isn't working properly in 16.04 | 22:01 |
| HiddenDjinn | i think the files it needs have been moved | 22:01 |
| knome | i know... | 22:01 |
| knome | not sure how maintains that package though | 22:01 |
| knome | s/how/who/ | 22:02 |
| knome | sigh, don't try to listen at something while you type something completely different | 22:02 |
| krytarik | How? Who? I'm confused! | 22:03 |
| knome | krytarik, what's the news there? (: | 22:03 |
| krytarik | True. | 22:03 |
| HiddenDjinn | the maintainer seems to be the debian maintainer | 22:05 |
| knome | yeah, likely synced directly from there | 22:05 |
| HiddenDjinn | there's a workaround... | 22:09 |
| HiddenDjinn | involves installing a new debian package in place of the ubuntu package | 22:09 |
| knome | well, i'd just like to get the package itself fixed :) | 22:09 |
| HiddenDjinn | anyways, i almost always build from the mini iso when building a new custom image | 22:09 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: agreed | 22:09 |
| knome | Unit193, krytarik: could you pleeeease look at that, at least a bit? (: | 22:10 |
| knome | eg. is a patch/updated thing on the way | 22:10 |
| knome | or maybe there's a bug report | 22:11 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: there are bug reports | 22:12 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: i've seen that much | 22:12 |
| knome | ok | 22:13 |
| knome | have you seen anybody comment on one and saying they're doing something about it? :P | 22:13 |
| HiddenDjinn | not yet | 22:13 |
| knome | meh. | 22:13 |
| Unit193 | HiddenDjinn: ...Building off the non-live, debian-installer which debootstraps the system? | 22:13 |
| HiddenDjinn | Unit193: i usually build off the live mini iso | 22:13 |
| * Unit193 scrathes head. | 22:15 | |
| HiddenDjinn | mini remix, i think it's called | 22:16 |
| Unit193 | Huh, OK. | 22:16 |
| HiddenDjinn | Unit193: i'm not good with remembering exact terms | 22:17 |
| HiddenDjinn | Unit193: sorry | 22:17 |
| Unit193 | That's fine, I was just thinking of the mini iso in that case. | 22:18 |
| HiddenDjinn | Unit193: i use ubuntu customization kit along with that to add packages i need or think i need | 22:18 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: So you're just asking due to the derivs page? | 22:19 |
| knome | Unit193, he wanted to do his own remix/derivative | 22:20 |
| knome | i asked for the derivs page | 22:20 |
| Unit193 | Ooooh, sounds "fun" | 22:21 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: hmmm...that means he wants to customize the list in ubiquity, right? | 22:21 |
| knome | i don't know what ochosi wants to do | 22:21 |
| knome | but the derivatives should technically do that | 22:22 |
| knome | not sure if that's something that needs to be on the wiki page mentioned | 22:22 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: and, to make it easier to handle, for a custom mix(like to be installed on multiple systems), one would probably be best served by making a custom meta package, depending on all packages the person wants to install, as well as puts the custom config files in place at the end | 22:23 |
| knome | maybe | 22:23 |
| knome | but that's something for the derivatives to think for themselves | 22:23 |
| HiddenDjinn | sorry, i've had a rough day, so i just came in a few minutes ago and took four shots due to said day before getting online | 22:24 |
| knome | iu don't know what the policy for that is, but i'm pretty sure they don't get them uploaded to the ubuntu repositories | 22:24 |
| knome | so it would be on the ISO only (unless they enabled their own repositories, which is a far stretch) | 22:24 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: right | 22:24 |
| knome | anyway i'd say that's out of our scope, and the wiki page as well | 22:25 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: if it was recognized as a custom spin, wouldn't there be a package that installs it on a running system, not unlike ubuntustudio | 22:25 |
| knome | Unit193 does something like that though | 22:25 |
| Unit193 | Not quite. | 22:25 |
| knome | HiddenDjinn, officially recognized flavors are a different thing | 22:26 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: ok | 22:26 |
| knome | we're talking about derivatives of flavors, specifically xubuntu | 22:26 |
| knome | (and could be a derivative of ubuntu too) | 22:26 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: oh, the derivative iso/img would exist only on the iso, and maybe in a custom repo | 22:26 |
| knome | yes | 22:27 |
| knome | the former is often the case | 22:27 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: pardon my semi-drunkenness | 22:27 |
| knome | no worries :) | 22:27 |
| knome | custom repo's maybe, often PPA | 22:27 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: right | 22:27 |
| knome | but again, that's a bit out of the scope for xubuntu | 22:28 |
| HiddenDjinn | what's the difference between a ppa and a custom repo? | 22:28 |
| knome | might be touching the wiki page scope a bit | 22:28 |
| knome | the way i consider that is that PPA is just additional packages, custom repository is a full repository of all packages | 22:28 |
| HiddenDjinn | yeah, so i can take a look at the wiki you pointed me to and see where it needs to be updated | 22:28 |
| knome | but that's terminology; yes, PPA is also a custom repo | 22:28 |
| Unit193 | Personal Package Archive, generally tends to refer to one on LP. | 22:28 |
| HiddenDjinn | that first red flag regarding jaunty is no longer relevant | 22:31 |
| HiddenDjinn | i can say that right now | 22:31 |
| HiddenDjinn | we don't support jaunty | 22:31 |
| knome | in april, nothing regarding precise of before is relevant | 22:31 |
| knome | that's kind of the easy part of the cleanup | 22:32 |
| krytarik | knome: That's fixed in Zesty already, and will have to be SRU'd for the other ones - LP bugs 1607535 and 1651923. | 22:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1607535 in msttcorefonts (Ubuntu) "ttf-mscorefonts-installer 3.4+nmu1ubuntu2 fails to install core fonts" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1607535 | 22:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1651923 in apt (Ubuntu Yakkety) "apt https method decodes redirect locations and sends them to the destination undecoded." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1651923 | 22:32 |
| knome | another small thing is making all places where it says CD to say disc | 22:33 |
| knome | krytarik, nice, thanks! | 22:33 |
| krytarik | Sure. | 22:33 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: well, some of the references to precise are still valid with yackety(i think that's 16.04) | 22:39 |
| knome | right, then that just needs updating | 22:39 |
| knome | that's the harder part :) | 22:39 |
| HiddenDjinn | xenial | 22:39 |
| HiddenDjinn | also, there are portions of precise still supported until april | 22:41 |
| knome | yes, that's why i said "in april" :) | 22:41 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: yeah... | 22:41 |
| HiddenDjinn | knome: if you aren't easily offended, i'll /msg you what i first thought | 22:41 |
| knome | not at all | 22:41 |
| HiddenDjinn | anyways, when the site LETS me, i'll edit | 23:37 |
| knome | :) | 23:38 |
| HiddenDjinn | ok, i can see it again, so time to get virtualbox installed so i can test this | 23:44 |
| knome | cool | 23:51 |
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