[01:56] <Clay> hi
[01:56] <Clay> i kinda need help ^^' i'm a noob here
[01:59] <Clay666> is there someone capable of answering me a rather simple question about what lubuntu i should get for one of my machines?
[02:00] <krytarik> Clay666: Just ask it and see.
[02:01] <Clay666> ofc sorry :o
[02:01] <Clay666> Well i have this Netbook (Samsung N150) and i was wondering which Lubuntu version i should get for it?
[02:02] <Clay666> a netbook is 86x, or is it a 64x machine?
[02:03] <Clay666> (and another question is, if lubuntu would be the best choice for a 1gb ram netbook?)
[02:06] <krytarik> According to this, it's 64-bit: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N150   And sure.
[02:08] <Clay666> Tyvm krytarik
[02:08] <krytarik> You are welcome.
[02:17] <zerorax> I have that netbook
[02:18] <zerorax> i expanded the ram though
[02:21] <zerorax> yeah lubuntu is best for it
[02:22] <zerorax> without encryption if the security isn't needed
[02:22] <zerorax> that thing can barely handle everyday tasks
[03:52] <ShellcatZeroX> Does anyone here use LXLE? I've always preferred it over standard Lubuntu. They've put a lot of work into that distro. Not very active on IRC tho.
[03:53] <Kamilion> lx"L"e?
[03:53] <ShellcatZeroX> Correct
[03:53] <Kamilion> never heard of it
[03:54] <Kamilion> i know lxde and lxqt, the desktop envronment lubuntu's theme is based on top of
[03:55] <Unit193> Kamilion: It's some other distro.
[03:56] <ShellcatZeroX> Right, LXLE (check out LXLE.net) uses the Ubuntu minimal LTS and builds a custom LXDE system from there
[03:56] <Kamilion> a minimal lxde system?
[03:56] <Kamilion> or a minimal lubuntu system?
[03:56] <Kamilion> the themes are totally different
[03:57] <Kamilion> LXDE's looks like 1990s un-anti-aliased ass
[03:57] <ShellcatZeroX> The ultimate goal being minimalism, so all kinds of apps and optimizations are put in
[03:57] <Kamilion> ubuntu's is smooth gradients
[03:57] <xangua> Different theme, same lxde desktop
[03:57] <Kamilion> lubuntu is more than just lxde
[03:57] <ShellcatZeroX> Apps substituted, I mean
[03:57] <Kamilion> i know because I have to remove half of it to get my ISO built.
[03:57] <Kamilion> apps?
[03:58] <Kamilion> oh, you mean the crap lubuntu-desktop installs.
[03:58] <Kamilion> dunno, I use lubuntu-core.
[03:58] <ShellcatZeroX> Ah
[03:58] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core -- https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/tree/master/buildscripts/xenial
[03:59] <Kamilion> took a while to identify every worthless desktop library they ship
[03:59] <krytarik> Kamilion: Tone it down please.
[03:59] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/blob/master/buildscripts/xenial/03-purgelist.synpkg  there's some of them, for instance.
[03:59] <Kamilion> tone what down?
[04:00] <Kamilion> on a server, all the desktop libraries for media and communications are a security risk, and thus, worthless. And why would anyone use an office package on a server?
[04:01] <krytarik> This is Lubuntu.
[04:01] <Kamilion> Aye, it IS lubuntu.
[04:02] <Kamilion> stright from the cdimage server.
[04:02] <Kamilion> not like I'm debootstrapping or anything.
[04:02] <ShellcatZero> Nice work Kamilion
[04:03] <Kamilion> LXLE looks like it's just another clone of Xtra-PC... ( https://files.sllabs.com/files/long-term/downloads/isos/Xtra-PC-1.0-i386.iso )
[04:03] <Kamilion> they seem to be making a lot of money by selling their media
[04:04] <Kamilion> I don't paticularly like that
[04:04] <Kamilion> the GPL allows them to charge for only the cost of media
[04:04] <Kamilion> and yet they have a $29.95 32GB flashdrive.
[04:04] <xangua> Uuuh what
[04:04] <xangua> Please re read it
[04:05] <Kamilion> https://www.osdisc.com/products/lxle?affiliate=lxle -- $50 for a 64GB flashdrive. Out of their damned minds.
[04:05] <Kamilion> that should be $22 tops
[04:06] <Kamilion> they even say it's a kingston data traveler SE9 G2; the cheapest stick you can buy. >.<
[04:06] <xangua> Many people believe that the spirit of the GNU Project is that you should not charge money for distributing copies of software, or that you should charge as little as possible—just enough to cover the cost. This i
[04:06] <xangua> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.en.html
[04:07] <xangua> "this is a misunderstanding"
[04:07] <ShellcatZero> meh, I don't really care.  With all the work they've put into the distro, I'm glad people support them.  They created near drop-in replacements for Win-XP systems for low budge businesses, etc.
[04:08] <Kamilion> that's what most of our workstations are.
[04:09] <ShellcatZero> yeah, I don't quite get how the priced some of that
[04:09] <ShellcatZero> they*
[04:10] <Kamilion> they took the cost of media and postage and rounded it up to the closest ?9.95
[04:10] <ShellcatZero> could be very old pricing info
[04:11] <Kamilion> can't find the lxle source code
[04:11] <Kamilion> Wow.
[04:11] <ShellcatZero> that's something I haven't been happy about.  Basically, after much discussion in their forums, the admin composes an iso
[04:11] <Kamilion> "Obtain source code?" is a link to https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4767821/how-do-i-get-the-ubuntu-source-code
[04:12] <ShellcatZero> yeah, he uses bhodibuilder
[04:12] <Kamilion> link?
[04:13] <Kamilion> i'm the maintainer of Customizer -- didn't realize there was another builder out there still being maintained.
[04:13] <Kamilion> No results found for bhodibuilder
[04:13] <Kamilion>  
[04:14] <Kamilion> xangua: if that's the case; then I can charge whatever I wish for the kamikazi ISOs; wouldn't that be correct?
[04:14] <ShellcatZero> they call this distro a 'respin': http://www.lxle.net/forums/discussion/1107/creating-the-respin-package-installer-scripts-#Item_7
[04:14] <Kamilion> yeah, I know, kamikazi's also a respin ISO.
[04:14] <ShellcatZero> https://sourceforge.net/projects/bodhibuilder/
[04:14] <Kamilion> and technically that terminology comes from Fedora, who encourages new 'spins'
[04:15] <Kamilion> ohhh, mannnnnnn
[04:15] <Kamilion> another person forking the old remastersys scripts
[04:15] <Kamilion> feh.
[04:15] <ShellcatZero> I've been more a fan of systemback
[04:15] <ShellcatZero> I didn't really have success with bodhibuilder
[04:15] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/customizer/
[04:16] <ShellcatZero> https://launchpad.net/systemback
[04:16] <Kamilion> we wewrote in python
[04:17] <Kamilion> someone else did the QT4 gui though; I've been meaning to forward port it to qt5 so i can dump the qt4 libs off the ISO
[04:17] <Kamilion> but I've only had time to make it python3 compatible
[04:18] <ShellcatZero> there seem to be a lot of these sorts of things, isn't TheeMahn's Operating System Builder (for Ultimate Edition Linux) another one?
[04:18] <ShellcatZero> is there no standard process for respining?
[04:19] <ShellcatZero> or creating a personal distro?
[04:19] <Kamilion> huh, i can't find any source for bodhibuilder
[04:19] <Kamilion> nope
[04:19] <Kamilion> well, yeah, there is
[04:19] <Kamilion> debootstrap
[04:19] <Kamilion> the same way the real lubuntu isos are made
[04:19] <ShellcatZero> this is what you're looking for: https://github.com/stacefauske/bodhibuilder_2.2.x
[04:19] <Kamilion> but I've had all kinds of idiot problems with attempting building from a .seed
[04:19] <Kamilion> yep! thanks.
[04:20] <ShellcatZero> of course, it's authored and used by the guy who maintains bodhi linux
[04:20] <Kamilion> for instance, if you don't have lubuntu-desktop installed, the lubuntu session doesn't get properly created and you get dumped into a bare lxde desktop
[04:21] <Kamilion> so I find it's a lot saner to take a known working iso
[04:21] <Kamilion> crack it's squashfs open, chroot into it, and do what needs to be done
[04:21] <ShellcatZero> yeah, that's what I've done using systemback
[04:22] <ShellcatZero> I highly recommend it
[04:22] <Kamilion> does it take btrfs snapshots?
[04:22] <ShellcatZero> I can't remember
[04:22] <Kamilion> cause right now I just use apt-get install apt-btrfs-snapshot
[04:22] <Kamilion> and etckeeper
[04:23] <Kamilion> i get a snapshot of @ every time the package manager's invoked (and does something)
[04:23] <Kamilion> and etckeeper will auto-commit whatever's in /etc from an apt hook as well.
[04:23] <ShellcatZero> ah
[04:23] <Kamilion> so i get a nice diff-like view of whatever gets changed in /etc, it's REALLY nice.
[04:24] <Kamilion> especally when something tries to sneak around in the nginx/apache configs
[04:24] <ShellcatZero> that is nice
[04:25] <Kamilion> my current problem right now is that kamikazi is ~3 years old
[04:26] <Kamilion> and was put together when upstart was in charge
[04:26] <Kamilion> so i had to, uh... discipline it. with supervisord.
[04:26] <Kamilion> Now that we've gone over to systemd -- all the supervisord scripts are kind of obsolete and crusty
[04:27] <Kamilion> i've been too busy to rewrite them all as systemd units though.
[04:30] <Kamilion> well, i grabbed a copy of lxle and bodhibuilder+source, i'll check it out sometime this week.
[04:30] <Kamilion> if there's any useful packages in it, I'mma steal 'em.
[04:30] <ShellcatZero> max iso size is about 4GB right?  I'm looking for a solution that would allow me to create a large OS image.
[04:30] <Kamilion> then you don't want ISO
[04:30] <Kamilion> you want UDF
[04:31] <Kamilion> that's the issue
[04:31] <Kamilion> IIRC ISO9660 cannot exceed 32bit limits; UDF was created to get around that for DVDs and such.
[04:32] <Kamilion> as for making a bootable UDF image? *shrug*
[04:32] <Kamilion> it's possible to do manually
[04:32] <Kamilion> but so far as I know, there is nothing that does so in an automated fashion
[04:32] <Kamilion> but! After experimentation with kamikazi, I've determined there's very little it actually needs from the disk image
[04:33] <Kamilion> if you're not installing from it, you don't even need the package pool
[04:33] <ShellcatZero> Hmm, I see.  Systemback or bodhibuilder seemed hackable enough to integrate such an option, I think systemback allows you to change the imaging util inside the gui
[04:33] <Kamilion> it does
[04:33] <Kamilion> but it's up to you to figure out what the right commandline parameters are
[04:33] <Kamilion> and that still doesn't make it bootable
[04:34] <ShellcatZero> not installing from what?
[04:34] <ShellcatZero> the image?
[04:34] <zerorax2> I thought the limit was in file size of files on the iso, not the iso itself
[04:34] <Kamilion> yeah.
[04:34] <ShellcatZero> no, the iso itself is size limited, as I've found out
[04:34] <Kamilion> the squashfs can't exceed a certain size.
[04:35] <Kamilion> the ISO format also has some other limits; max sector LBAs, some other weird stuff for old compat
[04:35] <Kamilion> keep in mind that yellowbook and redbook is 35+ years old at this point
[04:35] <ShellcatZero> ah, ok
[04:37] <Kamilion> (data and audio)
[04:37] <Kamilion> even bootable-ness for ISOs is due to an extension
[04:37] <Kamilion> El Torito
[04:37] <Kamilion> plus the long file name extensions, Rock Ridge
[04:42] <ShellcatZero> TheeMahn’s Operating System Builder: http://www.uebuilder.com/
[04:57] <ShellcatZero> what does lubuntu use for creating it's iso?
[05:05] <ShellcatZero> or perhaps I'm going about it the wrong way, cat one install a new system just from snapshots?
[05:05] <ShellcatZero> can*
[05:16] <zerorax> you can install a new system from your own compiled binaries and chroot
[05:19] <Kamilion> ShellcatZero: So far as I know, the launchpad builder will use debootstrap and some scripts around it
[05:20] <ShellcatZero> I would like to capture an existing system to be able to install elsewhere
[05:20] <ShellcatZero> I have some systems who've grown to be over 10GB, thus creating issues with using the iso format
[05:20] <Kamilion> personally for VMs, I dump a packagelist, a copy of the etckeeper repo, and the /home and /var dirs; the rest can be recreated from there
[05:21] <Kamilion> not all of /var, just the bits needed, like /var/www in some cases. or /srv or /opt if it's used.
[05:22] <Kamilion> I have a personal rule not to edit existing things in /usr
[05:22] <ShellcatZero> Hmm, I'll have another look at etckeeper then
[05:22] <Kamilion> and there's certain things like /etc/nginx.conf that should be left to the package manager, and /etc/nginx/conf.d/* used instead
[05:23] <Kamilion> knowing which .d directories things will use is very helpful
[05:24] <Kamilion> it's not just nginx; for example, /etc/network/interfaces.d/ can be used when one knows how to request it not be overwritten by the livecd booting.
[05:24] <ShellcatZero> ok
[05:24] <Kamilion> i use that myself to automatically create openvswitch bridges on boot and slave all the found interfaces to them.
[10:46] <Kuz> hello
[18:28] <Ecko-> Bonjour, y'a t'il un français pour m'aider à créer une clé USB Bootable, j'ai quelque problèmes. Je veux utiliser Lubuntu 16.10, j'utilise aussi unetbootin et quand je boot sur la clé USB il est affiché "Boot Error" simplement sur l'écran. J'ai retéléchargé l'iso de lubuntu, recréé la clé usb plusieurs fois (après formatage). Avez vous une idée ?
[18:31] <genii> !fr
[20:46] <sanguine-a> Is Lubuntu optimised for usage on EeePC netbooks?
[20:47] <wxl> sanguine-a: optimized? doubt it. but it uses the least amount of resources of any desktop ubuntu flavor.
[20:47] <xangua> Lubuntu is suited for low specs computers if that's what you mean sanguine-a
[20:47] <sanguine-a> Sysinfo for 'T101MT': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.7.5 on Ubuntu 16.10 (Yakkety Yak) powered by Linux 4.8.0-34-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N455 @ 1.66GHz at 1000-1667/1667 MHz, RAM: 1776/1990 MB, Storage: 6/56 GB, 190 procs, 1.54h up
[20:47] <sanguine-a> That's what I am running now and it's slow^
[20:48] <xangua> But you can also use it on your i7 or whatever you want
[20:48] <sanguine-a> I read that it suited for low specs computers but is it customised for use on 10" EeePCs?
[20:48] <sanguine-a> That is, is there any netbook edition?
[20:49] <xangua> It has a "netbook mode"
[20:49] <wxl> there's a netbook session if memory servers me correctly but i'm not sure how well it works
[20:50] <lyn||ian> sanguine-a, I have helped lots of people use it on netbooks and there is netbook mode which has icons for launching stuff
[20:50] <sanguine-a> Great
[20:50] <lyn||ian> although netbook mode works on non netbooks
[20:50] <lyn||ian> but you can't change wallpaper
[20:50] <sanguine-a> Can I see some screenshots?
[20:51] <sanguine-a> What would you suggest me to run on a system running with above mentioned specs?
[20:52] <lyn||ian> sanguine-a, I run lubuntu on everything and like it
[20:53] <sanguine-a> Cool
[20:54] <sanguine-a> Can I see screenshots of netbook mode?
[20:56] <xangua> Can you?
[20:56] <wxl> i certainly have none handy
[20:56] <sanguine-a> I would like to see some screenshots of Lubuntu running in netbook mode xangua
[20:57] <xangua> Google lxde netbook mode
[20:57] <sanguine-a> xangua: Done
[20:59] <sanguine-a>   Thank you all for help
[23:58] <calimero_82> hi guys
[23:59] <calimero_82> i've installed from 6 month linuxmintamte with separate crypted home, can i install lubuntu and remove mint without to lose my home-partition? thanks