=== JanC is now known as Guest21246 === JanC_ is now known as JanC === maclin1 is now known as maclin [09:00] morning all [09:02] ahoy [09:02] hey willcooke Laney [09:02] hey seb128 Laney [09:03] Laney, what did you change in your routine? you are consistently one or two minutes earlier on IRC this year :-) [09:04] hi seb128 and willcooke [09:05] seb128: errrrrrrrrrrrrrr nothing [09:05] you should do an analysis [09:05] lol [09:07] Morning desktopers [09:07] hey flexiondotorg [09:08] hey flexiondotorg, Laney, willcooke! [09:08] "Laney analytics, a new product by seb128" [09:08] © [09:15] hi desktop team [09:15] Morning all [09:18] https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/17/donald-trump-mistakes-ivanka-from-brighton-for-his-daughter [09:18] hey chrisccoulson davmor2 and didrocks! [09:20] for once space :-) [09:24] didrocks: that's just a silly ideal you don't want Laney being analytical you'd never shut him up or get any work done ;) [09:26] ahah [10:12] off to London, bbl === JanC_ is now known as JanC [14:05] word up peeps [14:10] hey desrt, how are you? [14:11] pretty good [14:12] need coffee :p [14:12] how is your tuesday? [14:15] quite good so far, it's nice and sunny here, I'm a bit tired though ... might need some more coffee in a bit :-) [14:18] we have only lots of fog. [14:18] beh [14:18] :-/ [14:19] hum, seems like the pounds is getting some love after the brexit speech from today [14:20] what was in the speech? [14:23] want to leave the single market/restrict migration from EU workers/no commitment to give the current expats a right to stay in the U.K/not bound to the european court of justive [14:26] sounds like a reasonably full Brexit [14:27] yeah :-/ [14:27] so why is the pound getting love? [14:27] i thought prevailing wisdom is that full brexit would kill the UK's economy [14:27] or is it a case of uncertainty being the worst thing? [14:28] they must leave shengen first!!! https://twitter.com/RogerHelmerMEP/status/820745142520922115 (ahahahahahhhh) [14:29] schengen has been such a disaster for the uk! [14:29] forcing them to have the same rectangular passport stamps as everyone else! [14:29] . o O ( uh.. wait... ) [14:30] turns out "freedom of movement" has more than one meaning within the EU :p [14:30] desrt, yeah, I don't understand how markets react ... [14:30] it's sunny: the market for rain jackets is going to dive! SELL! → recession [14:31] it's rainy: the market for solar panels is going to dive! SELL! → recession [14:31] the sun doesn't rise in the morning: what's going on ?!? SELL! → recession [14:31] desrt, also she stated that they are going to use their freedom to "set a competitive tax rate” if needed [14:31] as in, raise or lower? [14:31] market is under perfusion of free money like a junky is on coke for so long, they don't have reasonable reactions [14:32] desrt, lower [14:32] just cut on taxes so business move there [14:32] if I understood that correctly [14:32] great! [14:33] * desrt ♥ race to bottom [14:33] "great" indeed [14:33] :-/ [14:33] woh.. X added (compose)<3 as unicode heart [14:33] lol [14:40] (buy! → pound goes up) [14:47] oh, I'm so embarrassed to share the same nationality as roger helmer [14:48] you should never be ashamed because you were randomly assigned the same nationality as an idiot [14:49] you should rather be ashamed that you were part of a group that voted to put him in power [14:53] hey guys [14:53] morning! [15:23] sorry for late notice, my first meeting over ran a lot, so knock on effect I'm in another meeting now [15:23] so seb128 is going to chair the weekly meeting [15:24] when he gets back on line [15:30] hey [15:30] sorry moved placed and just managed to reconnect to IRC [15:30] hi [15:30] * qengho considers using his status update to complain about keybinding or general session settings being all broken on his machine again. [15:30] I'm going to lead the meeting this week since will_cooke busy in London [15:30] #startmeeting [15:30] Meeting started Tue Jan 17 15:30:57 2017 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [15:31] Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt, dgadomski, fjkong (out), flexiondotorg (other meeting), happyaron (out, hikiko, laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter (out), trevinho, robert_ancell (out) [15:31] o/ [15:31] o/ [15:31] * Sweet5hark reporting [15:31] shrug, was editing the outs and comments and hit enter [15:31] in [15:32] don't pay attention about those status it's a copy from previous week :p [15:32] * FJKong feel sleepy [15:32] hope everybody is doing fine! [15:32] hello [15:32] let's get started [15:32] #topic andyrock === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: andyrock [15:32] andyrock, hey [15:33] hey i've been working on unity8 to resgister the test failures, I already have a branch but I'm trying to make the recording better [15:33] some help debugging compiz/unity issues [15:33] eow [15:34] thanks andyrock [15:34] #topic attente === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: attente [15:34] attente, hey [15:34] hey seb128 [15:34] can you come back to me after? [15:34] sure [15:34] #topic desrt [15:34] desrt, hey === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: desrt [15:36] no desrt? [15:36] #topid dgadomski [15:36] dgadomski, hey [15:36] hey [15:36] * submitted a patch to Debian as a possible fix to bug #1550983 [15:36] bug 1550983 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "Fails to start with "Couldn't open libGL.so.1" (missing dependency?)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1550983 [15:36] eof [15:37] thanks dgadomski [15:37] thanks [15:37] #topic FJKong [15:37] hey FJKong === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: FJKong [15:37] hi [15:37] #1638345 avahi-daemon crashes multiple times an hour [15:37] discuss this bug with upstream developer, wait for update of fixing. [15:37] #1640317 FTBFS in zesty [15:37] more information requested [15:37] #850675 [wsjtx] Too old version, does not have WSPR, [15:37] packaging and upgrade to upstream version [15:37] #1657069 Fcitx ram leak [15:37] give a quick response reply. [15:37] eof [15:38] FJKong, I tried to ping a few people and added some comments on the avahi bug, let's see how that works out [15:38] thanks FJKong [15:38] #topic flexiondotorg [15:38] flexiondotorg, hey === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: flexiondotorg [15:39] Hi [15:39] Time appropriate greetings! [15:39] · Researched this weeks candidates for the Snap Upstream Blitz and updated Trello [15:39] · About a dozen upstreams and ISVs on the go. [15:39] · Been helping IBM with Node-RED *a lot*. [15:39] · Currently working on a usb-serial interface for snapd. [15:39] · Talking to Raspberry Pi Foundation to try and get AppArmor in snapd in Raspbian. [15:39] · Writing some snapcraft/snap docs for snapcraft.io. [15:39] · Some bug triage, mostly GTK3+ regressions. SRUs in progress. [15:39] 🎬 [15:39] thanks flexiondotorg [15:39] regressions in what serie? [15:39] SRU ones? [15:39] GTK2+ and GTK3+ for some memory leaks. [15:39] Unreleased patches upstream. [15:40] SRUs for Yakkey. [15:40] k [15:40] thanks flexiondotorg [15:40] And Xenial. [15:40] #topic happyaron === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: happyaron [15:41] happyaron, hey, around? (if not I've your summary) [15:42] seems not so [15:42] 1. n-m and applet SRUs (again) [15:42] 2. spl-linux's Linux 4.9 compatibility fix [15:42] 3. work on root zpool [15:42] 4. some work on manpages-zh [15:42] 5. translation reviews for zh_CN [15:42] #topic hikiko === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: hikiko [15:42] hikiko, hey [15:42] hey :) [15:42] writing the final lowgfx bits :) eof [15:42] quite short report this week :) [15:43] thanks hikiko [15:43] #topic Laney [15:43] Laney, hey === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Laney [15:44] HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII [15:44] :-) [15:44] what [15:44] haha [15:44] my SSH is lagging [15:44] anyway [15:44] • autopkgtest: [15:44] ∘ gave access to apw, trained him a bit in the infrastructure [15:44] ∘ watched things, requeued some stuff etc [15:44] ∘ started setting up local instance to do some development (e.g. want to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/auto-package-testing/+bug/1630578 next, then https://bugs.launchpad.net/auto-package-testing/+bug/1649525) [15:44] ∘ got pinged about the ssl cert expiring, so figured out how that works & renewed it [15:44] • britney: [15:44] meeting! [15:44] Ubuntu bug 1630578 in Auto Package Testing "broken kernel causes eternal test retry loop" [Medium,Triaged] [15:44] Ubuntu bug 1649525 in Auto Package Testing "Run tests for all arches in lxd" [Undecided,New] [15:44] ∘ fix proposed to not block on dropped tests in -proposed, waiting for review (https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/britney/+git/britney2-ubuntu/+ref/dropped-tests/) [15:45] • gnome-software: [15:45] ∘ rebased, updated, helped fix a couple of bugs and did some refactoring [15:45] ∘ had some chats upstream about implementation issues [15:45] ∘ rebased onto master, going to try to get stuff upstream [15:45] • archive: [15:45] ∘ rebased gst-good SRU [15:45] ∘ stabbed tests for glib2.0 SRUs, should be ok to go [15:45] ∘ some random fixes (e.g. cowsay breaks/replaces bug) [15:45] ➲ [15:45] think debmirror must have kicked in [15:45] good busy week [15:45] oh and good job being part of the new p_itti :-) [15:45] thanks Laney [15:46] #topic qengho === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: qengho [15:46] qengho, hey [15:46] Howdy! [15:46] - working on chromium beta tree [15:46] + aura x11 paste bug [15:46] + display-density regression [15:46] - updated Web Browser testng snap in edge channel, promoting to beta channel soon [15:46] - SAML login bug because of API key change last year? I don't grok at all. [15:46] - Moved to Gnome3 for the month on 16.10 laptop. keybindings, touchpad click, settings are set, but some not active. No idea why. It's maddening. [15:46] - One national holiday. [15:46] EOF :unicodeything: [15:47] qengho, thanks (and no idea bout your GNOME3 issues, maybe worth a bug report on gnome-shell or something) [15:47] #topic seb128 === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: seb128 [15:48] • verified some xenial SRUs [15:48] • cleaned a bit the sponsoring queue [15:48] • launchpad bugs triage and debugged a bit some issues on the way [15:48] • reviewed n-m SRUs for Aron [15:48] • discussed with Didier the snappy desktop launcher changes for the gtk framework and tested new iterations [15:48] • tested tweaks to the gtk-runtime-snaps examples [15:48] [15:48] #topic Sweet5hark === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Sweet5hark [15:48] Sweet5hark, hey [15:48] - got LibreOffice 5.3 snap to build in basic fashion on launchpad even [15:48] - still missing the usual things vs. dpkg: e.g. full l10n, debug symbols etc. [15:48] - working on getting the 5.3 dpkg on zesty now [15:48] -- unfortunately, more fun than expected there :/ -- e.g, debian moved to that newfangled dh9 dbgsyms-foo and I need to figure out if we want to follow (and if so, when) or not [15:48] -- still some MIRs dances/dep bumps expected [15:48] - usual TDF work: foundation budgets/approval, staff leadership [15:48] EOF [15:49] you can follow that change [15:49] thanks Sweet5hark [15:49] ubuntu has had automatic dbgs for ages [15:49] ddebs [15:49] Sweet5hark, btw any news about applying for libreoffice ppu again? ;-) [15:49] seb128: mhmhm [15:50] and what Laney says about ddebs [15:50] thanks Sweet5hark :-) [15:50] #topic themuso === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: themuso [15:50] * Had a meeting with Konrad Zapalowicz to sort out matters with regards to bluetooth, pulseaudio patches, and pulseaudio and bluez in Xenial. His team have a desire to push a new bluez version to Xenial. I'm not sure whether it will be a bug fix only release. [15:50] * Started testing pulseaudio 10 RC with the bluetooth hardware I have, due to having had to port a patch or 2. Things seem working, need to check logs and make sure my procedure in all cases is correct. [15:50] * Filed main inclusion reports for espeak-ng and pcaudiolib, since Jeremy synced Speech Dispatcher from Debian. Once these are in, I'll move BrlTTY over to using espeak-ng as well, at which point the original espeak will drop from main. [15:50] I think that we did something to make rules files coming from Debian work properly [15:50] oops [15:51] Laney, don't worry, I guess we can sort if you with Sweet5hark just after the meeting if he needed [15:51] #topic Trevinho === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Trevinho [15:51] Trevinho, hey [15:52] I didn't see him today I think so let's move on [15:52] #topic attente === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: attente [15:52] attente, back to you! [15:53] ok :) [15:53] committed window focus fix to gtk-mir upstream https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk/+bug/1625397 [15:53] Ubuntu bug 1625397 in MirAL "[gtk] Focus is stuck on the save as window vs the main window" [Medium,Triaged] [15:53] tried to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bubblewrap/+bug/1643734, no luck [15:53] Ubuntu bug 1643734 in bubblewrap (Ubuntu Yakkety) "privilege escalation via ptrace (CVE-2016-8659)" [Medium,Fix released] [15:53] backported clipboard patches to gtk3 upstream, need to backport more to reduce the delta [15:53] reviewing apparmor dconf patches [15:53] (eof) [15:54] who is writing the patches for apparmor? did somebody from the security team pick that up from you? [15:54] seb128: sorrryyyyyyyyyyyyy...... Give me a sec to compile the list.... Call me again :-P. I was lost in pushing a fix :-P [15:55] seb128: jjohansen added some changes to the old ones i sent to the mailing list last summer [15:56] good morning Trevinho :-) [15:56] attente, k, good to see that somebody is picking that work up! [15:56] thanks attente [15:56] #topic Trevinho === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Trevinho [15:56] thanks seb128 [15:56] Trevinho, k, let's try again :-) [15:56] well, i'm actually here since the real morning :-P [15:57] I'm teasing you don't worry :-) [15:57] that said your update would be welcome [15:57] the team is waiting for you :p [15:57] - Prepared a couple of patches for upstream Qt (under review now) for better support of indicators when using upstream qt (with no appmenu-qt) and XDG_CURRENT_DESTKOP. [15:57] - Found a snapd security issue, some debugging related to that [15:57] - Using XDG_RUNTIME_DIR for temporary indicators icons in appmenu-qt and sni-qt [15:57] - Fixed a GTest dependency in Nux and compile errors [15:57] - More snappying work (telegram, remmina...) [15:57] /eof [15:57] ah... [15:57] just now [15:58] - Fixed some unity7 crashes by properly using cancellable in dbus proxy [15:58] was that the one hikiko was getting? [15:59] yeah [15:59] good :-) [15:59] thanks Trevinho [15:59] #topic aob === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: aob [15:59] other topics? [16:00] seems not? [16:00] let's wrap then, thanks everyone! [16:00] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | requests paired with a pink killer will be given preferential treatment [16:00] Meeting ended Tue Jan 17 16:00:34 2017 UTC. [16:00] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-01-17-15.30.moin.txt [16:00] good meeting [16:00] well done team [16:01] just half an hour! [16:01] Sweet5hark, hi, just some thoughts, *completely* rebase the packaging on debian and only apply needed bits, re-validate the need for a separate l10n source package [16:01] hey desktopers! [16:01] hey [16:01] anyone know WTF this means https://paste.ubuntu.com/23816887/ ? [16:02] BadValue.. [16:02] Laney, buggy driver? [16:02] is that nvidia? [16:02] dunno [16:02] yeah [16:02] I would bet on that [16:02] It's a laptop what we have here [16:02] Laney: why is it trying to use lowgfx? Did you force it? [16:02] no [16:03] seems like the glx code are hitting errors [16:03] Laney: what you get on/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -pf ? [16:03] hmm [16:03] how can I run that? [16:04] maybe I can steal the environment from the greeter [16:04] Laney, seb128: yeah, ddebs should work, but last time launchpad wasnt happy with how they were build in launchpad (worked fine for local builds IIRC). Because I punted on this last time (lack of ressources due to snaps), there is some more merge-work now. Anyway: Will try to get ddebs to work and be as close to debian as possible as first goal. if that doesnt work somehow, falling back to other options. [16:05] Laney: oh, yeah.... [16:06] but.... well, journalctl should give you those infos [16:06] Trevinho: ok, I haxed into lightdm, same glx error [16:06] as it runs the same script [16:06] yeah, it's your driver missing something... wondering what [16:06] and why it doesn't fallback to llvmpipe in case [16:06] or if it does it... [16:07] https://paste.ubuntu.com/23816928/ [16:07] ricotz, I'm not sure what the main reason was for the l10n split but it was either buildd disk space usage or build time I think and those are likely still valid [16:07] it looks to me like xorg is using nvidia ok [16:08] Laney: no reference on journalctl about the unity-support-test run? [16:08] oh, sec [16:08] Trevinho: this is xenial fwiw [16:08] Laney: ah... Then........... Mhmhmh I don't remember, but I think we should run it... It still should be in the upstart logs somewhere [16:08] seb128, yes, that was the reason, in the past the builder has different sizes, did this changed? I think having like 40GB space would suffice [16:09] or maybe it's in a prestart, so you might want to redirect the logging by hand [16:09] Laney, it's similar to http://askubuntu.com/questions/801440/login-loop-badvalue-integer-parameter-out-of-range-for-operation-16-04 ... I sometime see some of those bugs reported on launchpad or forums and they usually are nvidia bugs and fixes are downgrades/reinstall/waiting for new version of the driver [16:11] Trevinho: It's the BadValue at the top of the log [16:11] seb128: ah man [16:11] seems bad that this happens on stable update [16:11] well, let me check proposed isn't on [16:12] Laney: wow, right... thus the lowgfx.... [16:12] Laney: try to force to llvmpipe [16:18] Laney, 1639180 sounds similar [16:19] seb128: it does indeed, thanks [16:19] yw [16:21] ricotz, I don't know about the builder disk space, it's probably a question to ask on #launchpad or to Colin [16:21] tseliot: ^--- any progress to report there? [16:24] Laney: do we have a bug report about that? [16:24] tseliot: seb just gave it [16:24] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-304/+bug/1639180 [16:24] Ubuntu bug 1639180 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-304 (Ubuntu Xenial) "no login possible after update to nvidia 304.132" [Critical,Triaged] [16:26] Laney: oh, that one. I am waiting for the security team to upload the package. [16:26] the sources are available, and they passed the QA tests [16:27] can you hassle them please? [16:27] not good to be borking desktops [16:27] tseliot, I guess 304.134 is waiting? [16:28] seb128, I see [16:28] Laney: I sent them another email this morning [16:29] ricotz: yep [16:29] tseliot, good [16:29] the driver has been in zesty for a while [16:29] and in the ppa [16:30] of course [16:33] so we have a regression in the LTS that makes user not able to log in since novembre§? [16:33] some users* [16:33] how come that's not a top priority and taking ages to get sorted out? :-( [16:37] seb128: well, the previous security update introduced the regression, so we set up a new process to at least try to prevent that. Updates now involve both the security team and the QA team. So the process is a bit longer. Add the fact that mdeslaur and I were on holiday, and that Sarvatt and tyhicks had to fill in for us, + their holidays, and you get more delays. [16:38] seb128: we had to wait to get a whole new driver first [16:38] tseliot, yeah, I understand how those things happen, it's just not something we can justify to users "yeah it's normal that you are without an usable OS for ages" [16:38] I was also sprinting last week and didn't understand that you guys were wanting us to release the updates last week [16:38] we should perhaps have blocked/deleted the previous update? [16:39] I see the email ping from several hours ago and we'll act on it shortly [16:39] it wasn't broken on all hardware [16:39] still [16:39] it was a hardware-specific regression [16:39] tyhicks: thanks [16:39] tyhicks, thanks [16:39] and true, it was hardware specific [16:39] mdeslaur, well, still letting some users down [16:39] but I don't know how important the security issue was/is [16:39] seb128: I agree, it's unacceptable...but not an easy fix when it's in the binary blob [16:39] so hard to argue for one option [16:40] we definitely will be testing better going forward [16:40] hopefully that won't happen again, thanks to the new process we have in place [16:40] good to read [16:41] thanks for the hard work mdeslaur tseliot tyhicks! [16:41] ;) [16:42] oh, and cwayne and his team did a great job taking care of the QA side [16:45] brb, moving back from the coffee place [17:30] FJKong, where did you report upstream the avahi issue? [18:05] night night [18:06] night Laney! === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [21:10] attente: should we cherry-pick your gtk-3-22 mir commits to zesty's gtk3? [21:11] jbicha: i'd still like to backport some more patches before we do that [21:11] jbicha: and maybe it would be better to wait for the next upstream release [21:11] ok, I'll just go ahead and upload 3.22.7 now then without them [21:13] jbicha: thanks [21:23] from a design perspective wouldn't it make sense to remove the top bar, when an app is not in fullscreen? [21:28] on desktop [22:36] jbicha: Which branch should I base changes to the Humanity icons from?