[09:00] <willcooke> morning all
[09:02] <Laney> ahoy
[09:02] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney
[09:02] <willcooke> hey seb128 Laney
[09:03] <seb128> Laney, what did you change in your routine? you are consistently one or two minutes earlier on IRC this year :-)
[09:04] <Laney> hi seb128 and willcooke
[09:05] <Laney> seb128: errrrrrrrrrrrrrr nothing
[09:05] <Laney> you should do an analysis
[09:05] <seb128> lol
[09:07] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[09:07] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[09:08] <didrocks> hey flexiondotorg, Laney, willcooke!
[09:08] <didrocks> "Laney analytics, a new product by seb128"
[09:08] <didrocks> ©
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> hi desktop team
[09:15] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:18] <Laney> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/17/donald-trump-mistakes-ivanka-from-brighton-for-his-daughter
[09:18] <Laney> hey chrisccoulson davmor2 and didrocks!
[09:20] <seb128> for once space :-)
[09:24] <davmor2> didrocks: that's just a silly ideal you don't want Laney being analytical you'd never shut him up or get any work done ;)
[09:26] <didrocks> ahah
[10:12] <willcooke> off to London, bbl
[14:05] <desrt> word up peeps
[14:10] <seb128> hey desrt, how are you?
[14:11] <desrt> pretty good
[14:12] <desrt> need coffee :p
[14:12] <desrt> how is your tuesday?
[14:15] <seb128> quite good so far, it's nice and sunny here, I'm a bit tired though ... might need some more coffee in a bit :-)
[14:18] <desrt> we have only lots of fog.
[14:18] <desrt> beh
[14:18] <seb128> :-/
[14:19] <seb128> hum, seems like the pounds is getting some love after the brexit speech from today
[14:20] <desrt> what was in the speech?
[14:23] <seb128> want to leave the single market/restrict migration from EU workers/no commitment to give the current expats a right to stay in the U.K/not bound to the european court of justive
[14:26] <desrt> sounds like a reasonably full Brexit
[14:27] <seb128> yeah :-/
[14:27] <desrt> so why is the pound getting love?
[14:27] <desrt> i thought prevailing wisdom is that full brexit would kill the UK's economy
[14:27] <desrt> or is it a case of uncertainty being the worst thing?
[14:28] <xclaesse> they must leave shengen first!!! https://twitter.com/RogerHelmerMEP/status/820745142520922115 (ahahahahahhhh)
[14:29] <desrt> schengen has been such a disaster for the uk!
[14:29] <desrt> forcing them to have the same rectangular passport stamps as everyone else!
[14:29] <desrt> . o O ( uh.. wait... )
[14:30] <desrt> turns out "freedom of movement" has more than one meaning within the EU :p
[14:30] <seb128> desrt, yeah, I don't understand how markets react ...
[14:30] <desrt> it's sunny: the market for rain jackets is going to dive!  SELL!  → recession
[14:31] <desrt> it's rainy: the market for solar panels is going to dive!  SELL! → recession
[14:31] <desrt> the sun doesn't rise in the morning: what's going on ?!? SELL! → recession
[14:31] <seb128> desrt, also she stated that they are going to use their freedom to "set a competitive tax rate” if needed
[14:31] <desrt> as in, raise or lower?
[14:31] <xclaesse> market is under perfusion of free money like a junky is on coke for so long, they don't have reasonable reactions
[14:32] <seb128> desrt, lower
[14:32] <seb128> just cut on taxes so business move there
[14:32] <seb128> if I understood that correctly
[14:32] <desrt> great!
[14:33]  * desrt ♥ race to bottom
[14:33] <seb128> "great" indeed
[14:33] <seb128> :-/
[14:33] <desrt> woh.. X added (compose)<3 as unicode heart
[14:33] <seb128> lol
[14:40] <desrt> (buy!  → pound goes up)
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> oh, I'm so embarrassed to share the same nationality as roger helmer
[14:48] <desrt> you should never be ashamed because you were randomly assigned the same nationality as an idiot
[14:49] <desrt> you should rather be ashamed that you were part of a group that voted to put him in power
[14:53] <andyrock> hey guys
[14:53] <desrt> morning!
[15:23] <willcooke> sorry for late notice, my first meeting over ran a lot, so knock on effect I'm in another meeting now
[15:23] <willcooke> so seb128 is going to chair the weekly meeting
[15:24] <willcooke> when he gets back on line
[15:30] <seb128> hey
[15:30] <seb128> sorry moved placed and just managed to reconnect to IRC
[15:30] <FJKong> hi
[15:30]  * qengho considers using his status update to complain about keybinding or general session settings being all broken on his machine again.
[15:30] <seb128> I'm going to lead the meeting this week since will_cooke busy in London
[15:30] <seb128> #startmeeting
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan 17 15:30:57 2017 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:31] <seb128> Roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong (out), flexiondotorg (other meeting), happyaron (out, hikiko, laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter (out), trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <flexiondotorg> o/
[15:31] <andyrock> o/
[15:31]  * Sweet5hark reporting
[15:31] <seb128> shrug, was editing the outs and comments and hit enter
[15:31] <Sweet5hark> in
[15:32] <seb128> don't pay attention about those status it's a copy from previous week :p
[15:32]  * FJKong feel sleepy
[15:32] <seb128> hope everybody is doing fine!
[15:32] <hikiko> hello
[15:32] <seb128> let's get started
[15:32] <seb128> #topic andyrock
[15:32] <seb128> andyrock, hey
[15:33] <andyrock> hey i've been working on unity8 to resgister the test failures, I already have a branch but I'm trying to make the recording better
[15:33] <andyrock> some help debugging compiz/unity issues
[15:33] <andyrock> eow
[15:34] <seb128> thanks andyrock
[15:34] <seb128> #topic attente
[15:34] <seb128> attente, hey
[15:34] <attente> hey seb128
[15:34] <attente> can you come back to me after?
[15:34] <seb128> sure
[15:34] <seb128> #topic desrt
[15:34] <seb128> desrt, hey
[15:36] <seb128> no desrt?
[15:36] <seb128> #topid dgadomski
[15:36] <seb128> dgadomski, hey
[15:36] <dgadomski> hey
[15:36] <dgadomski> * submitted a patch to Debian as a possible fix to bug #1550983
[15:36] <dgadomski> eof
[15:37] <seb128> thanks dgadomski
[15:37] <dgadomski> thanks
[15:37] <seb128> #topic FJKong
[15:37] <seb128> hey FJKong
[15:37] <FJKong> hi
[15:37] <FJKong> #1638345 avahi-daemon crashes multiple times an hour
[15:37] <FJKong> discuss this bug with upstream developer, wait for update of fixing.
[15:37] <FJKong> #1640317 FTBFS in zesty
[15:37] <FJKong> more information requested
[15:37] <FJKong> #850675 [wsjtx] Too old version, does not have WSPR,
[15:37] <FJKong> packaging and upgrade to upstream version
[15:37] <FJKong> #1657069 Fcitx ram leak
[15:37] <FJKong> give a quick response reply.
[15:37] <FJKong> eof
[15:38] <seb128> FJKong, I tried to ping a few people and added some comments on the avahi bug, let's see how that works out
[15:38] <seb128> thanks FJKong
[15:38] <seb128> #topic flexiondotorg
[15:38] <seb128> flexiondotorg, hey
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> Hi
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> Time appropriate greetings!
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> · Researched this weeks candidates for the Snap Upstream Blitz and updated Trello
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> · About a dozen upstreams and ISVs on the go.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg>   · Been helping IBM with Node-RED *a lot*.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg>   · Currently working on a usb-serial interface for snapd.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg>   · Talking to Raspberry Pi Foundation to try and get AppArmor in snapd in Raspbian.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg>   · Writing some snapcraft/snap docs for snapcraft.io.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> · Some bug triage, mostly GTK3+ regressions. SRUs in progress.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> 🎬
[15:39] <seb128> thanks flexiondotorg
[15:39] <seb128> regressions in what serie?
[15:39] <seb128> SRU ones?
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> GTK2+ and GTK3+ for some memory leaks.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> Unreleased patches upstream.
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> SRUs for Yakkey.
[15:40] <seb128> k
[15:40] <seb128> thanks flexiondotorg
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> And Xenial.
[15:40] <seb128> #topic happyaron
[15:41] <seb128> happyaron, hey, around? (if not I've your summary)
[15:42] <seb128> seems not so
[15:42] <seb128> 1. n-m and applet SRUs (again)
[15:42] <seb128> 2. spl-linux's Linux 4.9 compatibility fix
[15:42] <seb128> 3. work on root zpool
[15:42] <seb128> 4. some work on manpages-zh
[15:42] <seb128> 5. translation reviews for zh_CN
[15:42] <seb128> #topic hikiko
[15:42] <seb128> hikiko, hey
[15:42] <hikiko> hey :)
[15:42] <hikiko> writing the final lowgfx bits :) eof
[15:42] <hikiko> quite short report this week :)
[15:43] <seb128> thanks hikiko
[15:43] <seb128> #topic Laney
[15:43] <seb128> Laney, hey
[15:44] <Laney> HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[15:44] <seb128> :-)
[15:44] <Laney> what
[15:44] <hikiko> haha
[15:44] <Laney> my SSH is lagging
[15:44] <Laney> anyway
[15:44] <Laney> • autopkgtest:
[15:44] <Laney> ∘ gave access to apw, trained him a bit in the infrastructure
[15:44] <Laney> ∘ watched things, requeued some stuff etc
[15:44] <Laney> ∘ started setting up local instance to do some development (e.g. want to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/auto-package-testing/+bug/1630578 next, then https://bugs.launchpad.net/auto-package-testing/+bug/1649525)
[15:44] <Laney> ∘ got pinged about the ssl cert expiring, so figured out how that works & renewed it
[15:44] <Laney> • britney:
[15:44] <seb128> meeting!
[15:44] <Laney> ∘ fix proposed to not block on dropped tests in -proposed, waiting for review  (https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/britney/+git/britney2-ubuntu/+ref/dropped-tests/)
[15:45] <Laney> • gnome-software:
[15:45] <Laney> ∘ rebased, updated, helped fix a couple of bugs and did some refactoring
[15:45] <Laney> ∘ had some chats upstream about implementation issues
[15:45] <Laney> ∘ rebased onto master, going to try to get stuff upstream
[15:45] <Laney> • archive:
[15:45] <Laney> ∘ rebased gst-good SRU
[15:45] <Laney> ∘ stabbed tests for glib2.0 SRUs, should be ok to go
[15:45] <Laney> ∘ some random fixes (e.g. cowsay breaks/replaces bug)
[15:45] <Laney> ➲
[15:45] <Laney> think debmirror must have kicked in
[15:45] <seb128> good busy week
[15:45] <seb128> oh and good job being part of the new p_itti :-)
[15:45] <seb128> thanks Laney
[15:46] <seb128> #topic qengho
[15:46] <seb128> qengho, hey
[15:46] <qengho> Howdy!
[15:46] <qengho> - working on chromium beta tree
[15:46] <qengho>  + aura x11 paste bug
[15:46] <qengho>  + display-density regression
[15:46] <qengho> - updated Web Browser testng snap in edge channel, promoting to beta channel soon
[15:46] <qengho> - SAML login bug because of API key change last year? I don't grok at all.
[15:46] <qengho> - Moved to Gnome3 for the month on 16.10 laptop. keybindings, touchpad click, settings are set, but some not active. No idea why. It's maddening.
[15:46] <qengho> - One national holiday.
[15:46] <qengho> EOF :unicodeything:
[15:47] <seb128> qengho, thanks (and no idea bout your GNOME3 issues, maybe worth a bug report on gnome-shell or something)
[15:47] <seb128> #topic seb128
[15:48] <seb128> • verified some xenial SRUs
[15:48] <seb128> • cleaned a bit the sponsoring queue
[15:48] <seb128> • launchpad bugs triage and debugged a bit some issues on the way
[15:48] <seb128> • reviewed n-m SRUs for Aron
[15:48] <seb128> • discussed with Didier the snappy desktop launcher changes for the gtk framework and tested new iterations
[15:48] <seb128> • tested tweaks to the gtk-runtime-snaps examples
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[15:48] <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:48] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> - got LibreOffice 5.3 snap to build in basic fashion on launchpad even
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> - still missing the usual things vs. dpkg: e.g. full l10n, debug symbols etc.
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> - working on getting the 5.3 dpkg on zesty now
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> -- unfortunately, more fun than expected there :/ -- e.g, debian moved to that newfangled dh9 dbgsyms-foo and I need to figure out if we want to follow (and if so, when) or not
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> -- still some MIRs dances/dep bumps expected
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> - usual TDF work: foundation budgets/approval, staff leadership
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:49] <Laney> you can follow that change
[15:49] <seb128> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:49] <Laney> ubuntu has had automatic dbgs for ages
[15:49] <Laney> ddebs
[15:49] <seb128> Sweet5hark, btw any news about applying for libreoffice ppu again? ;-)
[15:49] <Sweet5hark> seb128: mhmhm
[15:50] <seb128> and what Laney says about ddebs
[15:50] <seb128> thanks Sweet5hark :-)
[15:50] <seb128> #topic themuso
[15:50] <seb128> * Had a meeting with Konrad Zapalowicz to sort out matters with regards to bluetooth, pulseaudio patches, and pulseaudio and bluez in Xenial. His team have a desire to push a new bluez version to Xenial. I'm not sure whether it will be a bug fix only release.
[15:50] <seb128> * Started testing pulseaudio 10 RC with the bluetooth hardware I have, due to having had to port a patch or 2. Things seem working, need to check logs and make sure my procedure in all cases is correct.
[15:50] <seb128> * Filed main inclusion reports for espeak-ng and pcaudiolib, since Jeremy synced Speech Dispatcher from Debian. Once these are in, I'll move BrlTTY over to using espeak-ng as well, at which point the original espeak will drop from main.
[15:50] <Laney> I think that we did something to make rules files coming from Debian work properly
[15:50] <Laney> oops
[15:51] <seb128> Laney, don't worry, I guess we can sort if you with Sweet5hark just after the meeting if he needed
[15:51] <seb128> #topic Trevinho
[15:51] <seb128> Trevinho, hey
[15:52] <seb128> I didn't see him today I think so let's move on
[15:52] <seb128> #topic attente
[15:52] <seb128> attente, back to you!
[15:53] <attente> ok :)
[15:53] <attente> committed window focus fix to gtk-mir upstream https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk/+bug/1625397
[15:53] <attente> tried to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bubblewrap/+bug/1643734, no luck
[15:53] <attente> backported clipboard patches to gtk3 upstream, need to backport more to reduce the delta
[15:53] <attente> reviewing apparmor dconf patches
[15:53] <attente> (eof)
[15:54] <seb128> who is writing the patches for apparmor? did somebody from the security team pick that up from you?
[15:54] <Trevinho> seb128: sorrryyyyyyyyyyyyy...... Give me a sec to compile the list.... Call me again :-P. I was lost in pushing a fix :-P
[15:55] <attente> seb128: jjohansen added some changes to the old ones i sent to the mailing list last summer
[15:56] <seb128> good morning Trevinho :-)
[15:56] <seb128> attente, k, good to see that somebody is picking that work up!
[15:56] <seb128> thanks attente
[15:56] <seb128> #topic Trevinho
[15:56] <attente> thanks seb128
[15:56] <seb128> Trevinho, k, let's try again :-)
[15:56] <Trevinho> well, i'm actually here since the real morning :-P
[15:57] <seb128> I'm teasing you don't worry :-)
[15:57] <seb128> that said your update would be welcome
[15:57] <seb128> the team is waiting for you :p
[15:57] <Trevinho> - Prepared a couple of patches for upstream Qt (under review now) for better support of indicators when using upstream qt (with no appmenu-qt) and XDG_CURRENT_DESTKOP.
[15:57] <Trevinho> - Found a snapd security issue, some debugging related to that
[15:57] <Trevinho> - Using XDG_RUNTIME_DIR for temporary indicators icons in appmenu-qt and sni-qt
[15:57] <Trevinho> - Fixed a GTest dependency in Nux and compile errors
[15:57] <Trevinho> - More snappying work (telegram, remmina...)
[15:57] <Trevinho>  /eof
[15:57] <Trevinho> ah...
[15:57] <Trevinho> just now
[15:58] <Trevinho> - Fixed some unity7 crashes by properly using cancellable in dbus proxy
[15:58] <seb128> was that the one hikiko was getting?
[15:59] <Trevinho> yeah
[15:59] <seb128> good :-)
[15:59] <seb128> thanks Trevinho
[15:59] <seb128> #topic aob
[15:59] <seb128> other topics?
[16:00] <seb128> seems not?
[16:00] <seb128> let's wrap then, thanks everyone!
[16:00] <seb128> #endmeeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 17 16:00:34 2017 UTC.
[16:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-01-17-15.30.moin.txt
[16:00] <Laney> good meeting
[16:00] <seb128> well done team
[16:01] <seb128> just half an hour!
[16:01] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hi, just some thoughts, *completely* rebase the packaging on debian and only apply needed bits, re-validate the need for a separate l10n source package
[16:01] <ricotz> hey desktopers!
[16:01] <Trevinho> hey
[16:01] <Laney> anyone know WTF this means https://paste.ubuntu.com/23816887/ ?
[16:02] <Trevinho> BadValue..
[16:02] <seb128> Laney, buggy driver?
[16:02] <seb128> is that nvidia?
[16:02] <Laney> dunno
[16:02] <Laney> yeah
[16:02] <seb128> I would bet on that
[16:02] <Laney> It's a laptop what we have here
[16:02] <Trevinho> Laney: why is it trying to use lowgfx? Did you force it?
[16:02] <Laney> no
[16:03] <seb128> seems like the glx code are hitting errors
[16:03] <Trevinho> Laney: what you get on/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -pf ?
[16:03] <Laney> hmm
[16:03] <Laney> how can I run that?
[16:04] <Laney> maybe I can steal the environment from the greeter
[16:04] <Sweet5hark> Laney, seb128: yeah, ddebs should work, but last time launchpad wasnt happy with how they were build in launchpad (worked fine for local builds IIRC). Because I punted on this last time (lack of ressources due to snaps), there is some more merge-work now. Anyway: Will try to get ddebs to work and be as close to debian as possible as first goal. if that doesnt work somehow, falling back to other options.
[16:05] <Trevinho> Laney: oh, yeah....
[16:06] <Trevinho> but.... well, journalctl should give you those infos
[16:06] <Laney> Trevinho: ok, I haxed into lightdm, same glx error
[16:06] <Trevinho> as it runs the same script
[16:06] <Trevinho> yeah, it's your driver missing something... wondering what
[16:06] <Trevinho> and why it doesn't fallback to llvmpipe in case
[16:06] <Trevinho> or if it does it...
[16:07] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23816928/
[16:07] <seb128> ricotz, I'm not sure what the main reason was for the l10n split but it was either buildd disk space usage or build time I think and those are likely still valid
[16:07] <Laney> it looks to me like xorg is using nvidia ok
[16:08] <Trevinho> Laney: no reference on journalctl about the unity-support-test run?
[16:08] <Laney> oh, sec
[16:08] <Laney> Trevinho: this is xenial fwiw
[16:08] <Trevinho> Laney: ah... Then........... Mhmhmh I don't remember, but I think we should run it... It still should be in the upstart logs somewhere
[16:08] <ricotz> seb128, yes, that was the reason, in the past the builder has different sizes, did this changed? I think having like 40GB space would suffice
[16:09] <Trevinho> or maybe it's in a prestart, so you might want to redirect the logging by hand
[16:09] <seb128> Laney, it's similar to http://askubuntu.com/questions/801440/login-loop-badvalue-integer-parameter-out-of-range-for-operation-16-04 ... I sometime see some of those bugs reported on launchpad or forums and they usually are nvidia bugs and fixes are downgrades/reinstall/waiting for new version of the driver
[16:11] <Laney> Trevinho: It's the BadValue at the top of the log
[16:11] <Laney> seb128: ah man
[16:11] <Laney> seems bad that this happens on stable update
[16:11] <Laney> well, let me check proposed isn't on
[16:12] <Trevinho> Laney: wow, right... thus the lowgfx....
[16:12] <Trevinho> Laney: try to force to llvmpipe
[16:18] <seb128> Laney, 1639180 sounds similar
[16:19] <Laney> seb128: it does indeed, thanks
[16:19] <seb128> yw
[16:21] <seb128> ricotz, I don't know about the builder disk space, it's probably a question to ask on #launchpad or to Colin
[16:21] <Laney> tseliot: ^--- any progress to report there?
[16:24] <tseliot> Laney: do we have a bug report about that?
[16:24] <Laney> tseliot: seb just gave it
[16:24] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-304/+bug/1639180
[16:26] <tseliot> Laney: oh, that one. I am waiting for the security team to upload the package.
[16:26] <tseliot> the sources are available, and they passed the QA tests
[16:27] <Laney> can you hassle them please?
[16:27] <Laney> not good to be borking desktops
[16:27] <ricotz> tseliot, I guess 304.134 is waiting?
[16:28] <ricotz> seb128, I see
[16:28] <tseliot> Laney: I sent them another email this morning
[16:29] <tseliot> ricotz: yep
[16:29] <ricotz> tseliot, good
[16:29] <tseliot> the driver has been in zesty for a while
[16:29] <ricotz> and in the ppa
[16:30] <tseliot> of course
[16:33] <seb128> so we have a regression in the LTS that makes user not able to log in since novembre§?
[16:33] <seb128> some users*
[16:33] <seb128> how come that's not a top priority and taking ages to get sorted out? :-(
[16:37] <tseliot> seb128: well, the previous security update introduced the regression, so we set up a new process to at least try to prevent that. Updates now involve both the security team and the QA team. So the process is a bit longer. Add the fact that mdeslaur and I were on holiday, and that Sarvatt and tyhicks had to fill in for us, + their holidays, and you get more delays.
[16:38] <mdeslaur> seb128: we had to wait to get a whole new driver first
[16:38] <seb128> tseliot, yeah, I understand how those things happen, it's just not something we can justify to users "yeah it's normal that you are without an usable OS for ages"
[16:38] <tyhicks> I was also sprinting last week and didn't understand that you guys were wanting us to release the updates last week
[16:38] <seb128> we should perhaps have blocked/deleted the previous update?
[16:39] <tyhicks> I see the email ping from several hours ago and we'll act on it shortly
[16:39] <mdeslaur> it wasn't broken on all hardware
[16:39] <seb128> still
[16:39] <mdeslaur> it was a hardware-specific regression
[16:39] <tseliot> tyhicks: thanks
[16:39] <seb128> tyhicks, thanks
[16:39] <tseliot> and true, it was hardware specific
[16:39] <seb128> mdeslaur, well, still letting some users down
[16:39] <seb128> but I don't know how important the security issue was/is
[16:39] <mdeslaur> seb128: I agree, it's unacceptable...but not an easy fix when it's in the binary blob
[16:39] <seb128> so hard to argue for one option
[16:40] <mdeslaur> we definitely will be testing better going forward
[16:40] <tseliot> hopefully that won't happen again, thanks to the new process we have in place
[16:40] <seb128> good to read
[16:41] <seb128> thanks for the hard work mdeslaur tseliot tyhicks!
[16:41] <tseliot> ;)
[16:42] <tseliot> oh, and cwayne and his team did a great job taking care of the QA side
[16:45] <seb128> brb, moving back from the coffee place
[17:30] <seb128> FJKong, where did you report upstream the avahi issue?
[18:05] <Laney> night night
[18:06] <seb128> night Laney!
[21:10] <jbicha> attente: should we cherry-pick your gtk-3-22 mir commits to zesty's gtk3?
[21:11] <attente> jbicha: i'd still like to backport some more patches before we do that
[21:11] <attente> jbicha: and maybe it would be better to wait for the next upstream release
[21:11] <jbicha> ok, I'll just go ahead and upload 3.22.7 now then without them
[21:13] <attente> jbicha: thanks
[21:23] <Blu2> from a design perspective wouldn't it make sense to remove the top bar, when an app is not in fullscreen?
[21:28] <Blu2> on desktop
[22:36] <dmj_s76> jbicha: Which branch should I base changes to the Humanity icons from?