[00:01] CapsAdmin: HELLO! === cassandra is now known as itsme [00:38] itsme: hello, do you know linux? === claydoh- is now known as claydoh [00:39] doh [00:39] s/he left. [00:45] Roey: you got no help yet? [00:47] mgolden_ and lordievader responded but it was past my bedtime [00:47] hey Valorie [00:51] and was their help, helpful? [02:13] valorie: they just asked me to explain the issue [02:13] valorie: like, I can chat here but I can't resolve hostnames to IP addresses in firefox/ping/gethostip/etc. Even though I can do "nslookup" successfully [02:14] well if i remember from yesterday we thru everything we could think of at it [02:14] and the kitchen sink :) [02:15] not sure if i remember correctly but this was after and upgrade from 160.4 [02:15] i mean 16.04 [02:15] so for time being going back would beeasier than bangin your head against the wall [02:16] it might be hardware specific somehow but nobody could figure it out atleast not yet [02:17] on thing id din't ask yesterday was , do you have wifi as well has a broadband card [02:17] and did you try testing both [02:17] with same result on same system [02:27] heh [02:27] sintre: correct, it happened once I upgraded to 16.10. I can test with a livecd to see if it's any other issue [02:27] I don't have wifi on this system [02:28] it's just a desktop godbox (intel 5960x + 64GB ram) [02:28] test another 16.10 live usb? [02:28] reg ubuntu or kubuntu? [02:28] kubuntu [02:29] oh heavens not ubuntu; GNOME can rot in hell [02:29] did it work? [02:29] I need to do it. [02:29] not asking to switch lol [02:29] heh [02:29] this just for tresting [02:29] aye of course [02:29] I'll get to it [02:29] i also don't like gnome personally [02:29] ah [02:30] what don't you like about it? [02:30] I don't like that it supposes things for me [02:30] and limits my options [02:30] and the community has such a snobby attitude, I find. [02:30] honestly just out of box layout drive me crazy [02:30] ah [02:30] everything at top lol [02:30] ah, that too [02:30] i'm easy to piss off , so went straight to kubuntu when i found it [02:30] ah! Was this recent? [02:30] na few year ago [02:31] oh ok [02:31] before i sswitched ot kubuntu as my primary os [02:31] who knows maybe I'll go to Neon after this [02:31] red hat in 1998 -> Debian in 1999 -> Kubuntu in 2005 or so [02:31] try the live usb and see if it works for you :) [02:32] ok :) [02:32] and then what [02:32] reinstall this thing?? [02:32] honestly with the head aches i'd just go back to 26.04 [02:32] 16.04 with backports [02:33] until you can figure out what causing this [02:33] if you know it works [02:33] something may of happend in the upgrade nobody can figure out [02:33] or before , try a fresh install straight from a 16.10 kubuntu [02:34] thats how i think thoug , comes a time to not waste more time [02:34] if you want function up system [02:34] so back up and get rdy if thats what you wanna do :) [02:35] hey darin [02:35] hey sintre [02:35] Roey has had epic two day battle after upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10 [02:36] so far we've thrown everyhting we can think of [02:36] Symptons? [02:36] seems he can't resolve and websites hostname [02:36] but can connect directly with a p to sites [02:36] ip [02:36] hopefully that paged him [02:37] Is Roey the same person we were attempting to help a few days ago? [02:37] yea and yesterday [02:37] reinstalled network manager and everything else [02:40] Last thing I suggested was purging iptables as that had helped someone with the same issue, but I did not hear back. [02:40] he seems to pop in and out [02:40] last think i could recomend is just back up and put 16.04 on there again [02:41] Do you recall if he is using a laptop or desktop? [02:41] he using a a desktop [02:41] Does live booting with 16.10 work ok? [02:41] it's just a desktop godbox (intel 5960x + 64GB ram) [02:41] i asked him to try that [02:41] he said he might get around to it [02:41] WOW. That's the problem way too much RAM [02:42] :) [02:42] lol [02:44] A couple of options to try. 1) Live boot to test network. 2) Small hammper approach: install 16.10 to a small partion, run updates and see if everything is normal. [02:45] I suspect he may have more than 1 HD judging by the amount of RAM, so 2nd install should be very easy to test. [02:45] yea , hoping he took the live iso advice [02:46] he has a wireless router other devices can connect to fine [02:46] I have never heard of a broken network connection and googling turns up very little. hateball was really good at network issues so maybe he could assist. [02:46] but no wifi for his desktop [02:47] well he's gotta come back to help him , i assume he will as he aint giving up on it obviously === AntiSpamMeta is now known as Guest6813 [03:13] Darin [03:13] doh [03:13] he left.. [03:13] he'll be back just stay around chat [03:13] ok [03:14] I need to go to bed soon--I should try that livecd...ya know..I'll burn it on my laptop [03:14] hihi DarinMiller [03:14] told you he'd be back [03:14] ^_^ [03:18] Hey Roey [03:19] oh hello DarinMiller [03:19] ahh hpefully bboth here t same time lol [03:19] I'm downloading the 16.10 livcd [03:19] :) [03:20] Sounds like a great plan. So the network symptons seem to be dns resolution related? (You can ping specific IP's but no name resolving?) [03:20] roey darin can't think of what i can't imagine , helped me tons [03:22] ah! [03:22] wellthank you [03:22] DarinMiller: indeed [03:22] I can ping specific IPs, but when I try pinging hostnames, it just sits there [03:23] when I try going to specific hostnames in Firefox, it just says "looking up" [03:23] eventually it times out (I figure it is timing out and defaulting to another resolution provider) and downloads some of the web pate [03:24] DarinMiller: now assuming that the LiveCD works, then the next step would be to compare configuration of the system agains that of the livecd [03:24] I would think. [03:25] Yes. But while downloading lets see if we can fix it. [03:25] Have you tried pointing to another dns server such as google via network manager settings? [03:27] I have [03:28] I mean I've tried putting this value in /etc/resolv.conf (it still didn't work, and /etc/resolv.conf invariably got overwritten anyway.. so I tried putting this value into /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head so that it would appear consistently in /etc/resolv.conf [03:29] but even with nameserver 8.8.8.8 as the first line in /etc/resolv.conf, still the system could not resolve hostnames [03:30] what about disabling ipv6 in network manager? [03:31] I haven't tried disabling ipv6... how can I do that through the command line [03:31] ? [03:31] network manager.. I can't get that to run [03:31] ok now we're on to someting [03:35] yeah we tried it yesterday here [03:35] I just couldn't get this thing to load [03:37] BRB [03:37] sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 [03:37] ah [03:37] to renable sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=0 [03:37] Any guesses why firefox keeps opening on my secondary display? [03:38] ok, I've disbaled it [03:38] now what? ping shows the same (mis)behavior [03:39] ok, renable and try ping again. [03:39] same thing. [03:39] let me reboot for a sec? [03:39] I have the livecd here [03:40] certainy give that a go [03:40] ko, BRB [03:40] *ok [03:41] ok [03:42] VulcanJedi: some application ignore the windows manager window placement. However, you can override that behavior. [03:42] VulcanJedi: btw, what version of Kubuntu are you running? [03:42] xenial [03:44] Is everything working OK for you (plasma not crashing, dual monitor settings lost during reboot, etc)? [03:45] yes, though i had to force nvidia x server to add the correct resolution to my 2nd monitor. no display issues since then [03:46] OK, if everything is stable then you should not need backports ppa, but I would recommend it you experience any stability issues. [03:47] oh, i got backports trying to get other things working, but it turns out facebook is just a curmudgeon [03:47] regarding firefox, do you want it to alway open in the same location? I can walk you through how to force it. [03:48] preferably, to open in the last position it was open [03:48] but if i can have it open on primary, that's of course the next best thing [03:48] Just a sec, testing ff on my dual screen box. [03:49] I usally run chrome and does not always follow the desktop windows placement either... [03:50] Do you run ff full or split screen? [03:50] full [03:51] haven't tried chrome on ubuntu yet, is chromium the same thing? [03:53] chromium lack the built in pepperflash and other proprietary bits. [03:59] VulcanJedi: the monitor where you want ff to start, is it your primary monitor? Do you know how to verify? [03:59] It is, but I can double check. [04:00] 16.04 had issues with primary monitor retention. backports updates fix most of the issues. [04:01] oh, well then i should see if it keeps the 2nd monitor's panel if i add one again [04:01] OK, I found a new option I had not tried until now. [04:01] yes, correct monitor is primary [04:02] for grins, toggle the primary to other monitor apply then toggle back. [04:02] hi all [04:03] DarinMiller, sintre: hi! So this is from the livecd [04:03] proof that it's not a hardware issue [04:03] it lives [04:03] gj joey [04:03] done [04:03] so back up and prepare for new install [04:03] I made one dvd, and that ended up having physical media errors so I made anothe rone [04:03] regardless, try this trick: right click on title bar and select "more options" [04:03] because we' [04:03] what because we [04:03] l^More Actions [04:04] can't figure out ho to fix current one [04:04] sintre: I'd rather not have to make customizations to the OS again... argh [04:04] :) [04:04] oh [04:04] good to hear Froeystrated. I still with we could fix your problem without a slegehammer reinstall, but I am out of ideas. [04:04] and the graphics doesn't work [04:04] I ahve nvidia here. [04:04] DarinMiller: aye [04:04] thanks [04:05] yea lets give it one more shot [04:05] live cd does not have Nvidia proprietary drivers. [04:05] but X won't show because it's nvidia [04:05] yep [04:05] DarinMiller: fuck me, rioght? [04:05] *right [04:05] sudo atp-get install nvidia-367 [04:05] er [04:05] then restrtr X somehow [04:05] and hope it loads nvidia drivers? [04:05] dunno. [04:06] god this is so retarded that it doesn't work. [04:06] nvidia requires restart so live installing nvidia drivers will not persist through reboot. [04:06] every single upgrade of kubuntu breaks something stupid. [04:06] DarinMiller: oh lovely :) [04:06] noted [04:06] upgrading is never easy for me [04:06] always something fundamental has to break, argh [04:07] VulcanJedi: sorry, under more actions, selection special windows settings [04:08] On the size and position tab, check the "initial placment" box and select "under mouse" (or whatever you want to try). [04:08] Ooh! I'm going to try smart placement and see what it does [04:08] had no idea there were so many options in that context menu [04:09] VulcanJedi: smart placement should be your current behavior unless you changed that in sys settings. [04:09] really? then why is default its own option? [04:10] VulcanJedi: anyways, many options in there, but sadly, I don't see a remember last position option. [04:11] check sys setting -> win manag -> win behavior -> advanced tab [04:11] oh, hey [04:13] I set ff to open with meta+f and set ff win settings to open under the mouse. works as advertised. [04:13] well, at least i have a fun new toolbox to play with, thx [04:13] np :) [04:14] Froeystrated: How much HD space do you have? [04:15] 64 gigs ram should = like 4 2 tb hdds :) [04:15] but didn't ask him about hdd space , oops [04:15] well, for one reason or the other, firefox is now opening on primary, so that's good [04:15] take that, kubuntu! [04:16] epsiode 2 kubuntu strikes back cometing to a install near you soon [04:17] VulcanJedi: I have seen funny issues where some strange setting are stuck until the certain things are toggled. That why I recommended toggling the primary monitor as I had an issue on 16.04. [04:18] Oh, oh he left. [04:19] he'll problally be back [04:19] i guess [04:19] he's been at it for two days about now [04:23] hi [04:23] wb [04:23] rebooted. [04:23] so here is my catch 22 [04:23] I can boot off a livecd [04:23] ok [04:23] but X wont' work because of nvidia drivers missing. [04:23] ok darin can talk you thru doing a side by install with current install [04:23] I can jump off a bridge but that won't do anything to solve the problem [04:23] which then can give you time to work on new install while you save stuff [04:24] Roey do you know if /home is it's own partition? [04:24] actually scratch that. A friend of mine did jump off a bridge, so that's not funny. [04:24] atleas then you can cess a webpage [04:24] DarinMiller: Yeah I was looking at th e mount table [04:24] /home, /arch are each in their own partitions [04:24] df -l [04:24] DarinMiller, yup, that's going to be my goto fix for display-related issues now, toggle the relevant setting and see if it works [04:25] shows /home as it's own partition? [04:25] DarinMiller: you know I'd pastebin it but I can't load the pastebin site [04:25] DarinMiller: correct [04:25] I can obliterate / and /home and /arch would still be there [04:26] or would they? it's a btrfs installation. [04:26] Wait, so if you know about setting up home as it's own partition, I assume you know you can re-install without reformatting home, yes? [04:26] DarinMiller: right [04:26] the only thing--is that I don't have a backup here. [04:26] I mean I do. [04:26] But I can't get the disk drive to work for some reason. [04:26] what is in root that requires backup? [04:26] well just my /home and /arch [04:26] /arch is where I keep movies, music, etc. [04:27] and even still, I can't load x [04:27] *X [04:29] mind sharing your df listing? df -l | pastebinit [04:29] http://pastebin.com/00YAAUUZ <- Mine looks like this. [04:29] what's pastebinit, a command? I don't appear to have it. [04:29] and again--I can't resolve hostnames so I can't do this [04:29] I can't load the site [04:29] sudo apt install pastebinit [04:30] connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com... [04:30] um [04:30] it's not connecting [04:30] do you get it? [04:30] I can't look up anything [04:30] you can pipe command like output and create quick share link to terminal output. [04:30] here [04:30] pm me [04:30] i"ll paste there. [04:30] how about that? [04:30] ok [04:36] hihi [04:36] hi again [04:36] so decide how your gonna go forward? [04:36] er [04:36] I have no idea. [04:38] btw can you right click on desktop [04:38] and add widgets [04:38] if so drag a network over onto desktop it probally has no icon in the menu on left side but it'll be there [04:38] then right click on it [04:39] then you can try change the settings on your connection [04:39] once you se your connection right click and hit edit [04:49] sintre: oh, ok [04:49] hi [04:50] ok I deactivated Network1 and then re-activated it [04:50] sintre: ping doesn't work still [04:51] well now you have access yto settings is darin still around [04:51] yeah we're chatting in a PM actually [04:51] i think ipv6 can be deactivated from there [04:51] we tried deactivating ipv6 through the commandline, that didn't sovle it [04:53] hmm , some great network guys but you gotta be on same time as them to grab thier attention and help [04:53] i honestly would just get rdy for new install side by side [04:53] ah [04:53] sure [04:53] I don't want to reinstall though [04:53] for a few reasons: [04:53] 1) I don't want to clobber my BTRFS partitions [04:53] this is almost two days not being able to even get a webpage silly [04:53] because it's all one partition that is subpartitioned [04:54] 2) I made custom edits to config files and don't want to clobber them with a re-installation [04:54] you can save copies of config files [04:54] its up to you but honestly , if at this point we've exuasted all option that i know of [04:55] or you can have a gimp useless os tht can rresolve websites [04:55] i mean thats your call , i don't think anybody else is gonna come up with magic answer [04:56] its time spent trouble shooting and hoping or time spent reinstalling and repairing [04:56] thing is we can't figure out hoew to repair this [05:05] sintre: I understand where you're coming from [05:49] DarinMiller, sintre: good night guys :) [05:49] gn all [05:49] night Roey [05:49] might DarinMiller [05:49] night :) [05:49] :) === KsChoice is now known as phoenixz [08:23] Good morning. [10:29] hi [12:42] ciao [13:44] Hi folks [15:39] hello [15:39] I'm copying files from my hd to an externa drive, but it seems to be going at <1MBps, is this normal? [15:40] hi Taggnostr [15:41] I first tried through dolphin, and plasmashell was using 100%+ cpu, now I'm trying with cp, and it still seems slow [15:41] is the external drive usb connected ?, if so make sure it's connected to the 3.0 [15:41] it's usb, and I connected it to the blue usb on the back of my pc [15:42] even usb 2 should transfer at 60MB/s [15:43] Taggnostr, actually it shoud be faster thru dolphin [15:43] should I stop cp and try again through dolphin? [15:43] Taggnostr, yes [15:44] let's see [15:44] you should see the external drive listed in the dolphin device list on the left [15:45] the tray loading icon says 300KiB/s [15:45] and plasmashell is using ~115% cpu (from top) [15:46] I think this already happened a few times in the past, sometimes it gets really slow, sometimes it's fast [15:49] Taggnostr, odd that plasmashell is using so much cpu, perhaps an update and upgrade are in order [15:49] should be up to date [15:51] I just copied 3Gig media file from my outboard to my home dir in less than 30 secs, but I use an esata to sata connection [15:52] that's what usually happens for me as well, but some times it's slow [15:52] you must have some other processes using up cpu [15:53] plasmashell? it starts eating cpu as soon as I start copying [15:53] it shouldn'r [15:55] I'll try to copy the subdirs one by one and see if it changes anything [16:08] oops, my ususally reliable vpn server went down [16:08] I'll try to restart and see if it gets any better [16:09] Taggnostr, which kubuntu are you running? [16:09] Taggnostr: what version of plasma do you have? [16:10] 16.10 [16:10] plasmashell 5.7.5 [16:10] brb [16:16] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356479 [16:16] KDE bug 356479 in general "plasmashell uses 100% CPU when there is an animation in the task bar" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [16:16] at least on the CPU side, may be that ^^^^ [16:17] and that is hopefully fixed in the plasma 5.8.x backports in backports ppa [16:17] that did the trick, copying at ~30MB/s now [16:17] though I can't confirm that 100%, as I was never able to reproduce that bug to start with [16:17] Taggnostr: ok. so a transient issue then [16:18] yes, it comes and goes [16:18] I'm not even sure that's the issue, I think I got similar problems when I had programs writing on the disk [16:19] like a videocapture software, sometimes when I stopped it it would be ready immediately, other times it would take a few minutes to write the file before it was ready [16:19] possible not the same then [16:19] the files had comparable sizes, and I don't remember it having any tray animation [16:19] I just hope it's not an hardware issue [16:20] FTR now plasmashell is around ~60%, but the writing is going fast [16:22] there's also a mount.ntfs using 15-50% === s_20_ is now known as s_20 [17:34] !info ext4 [17:34] Package ext4 does not exist in yakkety [17:34] !info extfs [17:34] Package extfs does not exist in yakkety [18:01] So I just set up my laptop with Kubuntu after 10+ years of using Ubuntu as my primary OS for my work computers. I set up Two-Factor authentication for sudo and login and it apears that the Plasma login doesn't support entering the unlock code and a password. Is ther a way to add this feature? [18:02] *there [18:05] kiendeleo, what do you mean, two factor authentication ? [18:06] I set it up so that I have to enter a code and a password using the "google-authenticator" package [18:08] never heard of that as an authenticator for Kubuntu [18:09] It works great on servers and compand line stuff (ssh, etc.) but I would like to get it set up so I have to have the authenticator to log in to the machine as well [18:11] in sddm or grub? [18:12] ssdm [18:13] *sddm [18:14] I guess you could edit /etc/sddm.conf [18:17] that file doesn't exist, I am runnign 16.10 if that chnages anything [18:21] kiendeleo, /etc/sddm.conf exists here on 16.10..I have it open [18:23] I have an sddm folder in /etc and it contains a file Xsession in it [18:24] no sddm.conf [18:26] look in dolhin root then etc, then a textfile sddm.conf [18:28] or in the run command , /etc/sddm.conf [18:28] "bash: /etc/sddm.conf: No such file or directory" [18:30] kiendeleo, alt+f2, kdesudo kate /etc/sddm.conf [18:31] It opened a blank file saying it is new [18:32] I am guessing that kate is simular to Gedit in Ubuntu [18:32] yes [18:35] odd because I have it as a plain textfile here and on my laptop [18:36] definatly odd, This is a fresh instal off of the latest Iso (Downloaded yesterday) were there recent changes to how the display manager works? [18:39] kiendeleo, https://paste.kde.org/pcocopnxp [18:40] kiendeleo, sddm is the default kubuntu DM afaik [18:40]