[00:01] <Roey> CapsAdmin: HELLO!
[00:38] <Roey> itsme: hello, do you know linux?
[00:39] <Roey> doh
[00:39] <Roey> s/he left.
[00:45] <valorie> Roey: you got no help yet?
[00:47] <Roey> mgolden_ and lordievader responded but it was past my bedtime
[00:47] <Roey> hey Valorie
[00:51] <valorie> and was their help, helpful?
[02:13] <Roey> valorie: they just asked me to explain the issue
[02:13] <Roey> valorie: like, I can chat here but I can't resolve hostnames to IP addresses in firefox/ping/gethostip/etc.  Even though I can do "nslookup" successfully
[02:14] <sintre> well if i remember from yesterday we thru everything we could think of at it
[02:14] <sintre> and the kitchen sink :)
[02:15] <sintre> not sure if i remember correctly but this was after and upgrade from 160.4
[02:15] <sintre> i mean 16.04
[02:15] <sintre> so for time being going back would beeasier than bangin your head against the wall
[02:16] <sintre> it might be hardware specific somehow but nobody could figure it out atleast not yet
[02:17] <sintre> on thing id din't ask yesterday was , do you have wifi as well has a broadband card
[02:17] <sintre> and did you try testing both
[02:17] <sintre> with same result on same system
[02:27] <Roey> heh
[02:27] <Roey> sintre: correct, it happened once I upgraded to 16.10.  I can test with a livecd to see if it's any other issue
[02:27] <Roey> I don't have wifi on this system
[02:28] <Roey> it's just a desktop godbox (intel 5960x + 64GB ram)
[02:28] <sintre> test another 16.10 live usb?
[02:28] <sintre> reg ubuntu or kubuntu?
[02:28] <Roey> kubuntu
[02:29] <Roey> oh heavens not ubuntu; GNOME can rot in hell
[02:29] <sintre> did it work?
[02:29] <Roey> I need to do it.
[02:29] <sintre> not asking to switch lol
[02:29] <Roey> heh
[02:29] <sintre> this just for tresting
[02:29] <Roey> aye of course
[02:29] <Roey> I'll get to it
[02:29] <sintre> i also don't like gnome personally
[02:29] <Roey> ah
[02:30] <Roey> what don't you like about it?
[02:30] <Roey> I don't like that it supposes things for me
[02:30] <Roey> and limits my options
[02:30] <Roey> and the community has such a snobby attitude, I find.
[02:30] <sintre> honestly just out of box layout drive me crazy
[02:30] <Roey> ah
[02:30] <sintre> everything at top lol
[02:30] <Roey> ah, that too
[02:30] <sintre> i'm easy to piss off , so went straight to kubuntu when i found it
[02:30] <Roey> ah! Was this recent?
[02:30] <sintre> na few year ago
[02:31] <Roey> oh ok
[02:31] <sintre> before i sswitched ot kubuntu as my primary os
[02:31] <Roey> who knows maybe I'll go to Neon after this
[02:31] <Roey> red hat in 1998 -> Debian in 1999 -> Kubuntu in 2005 or so
[02:31] <sintre> try the live usb and see if it works for you :)
[02:32] <Roey> ok :)
[02:32] <Roey> and then what
[02:32] <Roey> reinstall this thing??
[02:32] <sintre> honestly with the head aches i'd just go back to 26.04
[02:32] <sintre> 16.04 with backports
[02:33] <sintre> until you can figure out what causing this
[02:33] <sintre> if you know it works
[02:33] <sintre> something may of happend in the upgrade nobody can figure out
[02:33] <sintre> or before , try a fresh install straight from a 16.10 kubuntu
[02:34] <sintre> thats how i think thoug , comes a time to not waste more time
[02:34] <sintre> if you want  function up system
[02:34] <sintre> so back up and get rdy if thats what you wanna do :)
[02:35] <sintre> hey darin
[02:35] <DarinMiller> hey sintre
[02:35] <sintre> Roey has had epic two day battle after upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10
[02:36] <sintre> so far we've thrown everyhting we can think of
[02:36] <DarinMiller> Symptons?
[02:36] <sintre> seems he can't resolve and websites hostname
[02:36] <sintre> but can connect directly with a p to sites
[02:36] <sintre> ip
[02:36] <sintre> hopefully that paged him
[02:37] <DarinMiller> Is Roey the same person we were attempting to help a few days ago?
[02:37] <sintre> yea and yesterday
[02:37] <sintre> reinstalled network manager and everything else
[02:40] <DarinMiller> Last thing I suggested was purging iptables as that had helped someone with the same issue, but I did not hear back.
[02:40] <sintre> he seems to pop in and out
[02:40] <sintre> last think i could recomend is just back up and put 16.04 on there again
[02:41] <DarinMiller> Do you recall if he is using a laptop or desktop?
[02:41] <sintre> he using a a desktop
[02:41] <DarinMiller> Does live booting with 16.10 work ok?
[02:41] <sintre> it's just a desktop godbox (intel 5960x + 64GB ram)
[02:41] <sintre> i asked him to try that
[02:41] <sintre> he said he might get around to it
[02:41] <DarinMiller> WOW.  That's the problem way too much RAM
[02:42] <DarinMiller>  :)
[02:42] <sintre> lol
[02:44] <DarinMiller> A couple of options to try.  1) Live boot to test network.  2) Small hammper approach: install 16.10 to a small partion, run updates and see if everything is normal.
[02:45] <DarinMiller> I suspect he may have more than 1 HD judging by the amount of RAM, so 2nd install should be very easy to test.
[02:45] <sintre> yea , hoping he took the live iso advice
[02:46] <sintre> he has a wireless router other devices can connect to fine
[02:46] <DarinMiller> I have never heard of a broken network connection and googling turns up very little.  hateball was really good at network issues so maybe he could assist.
[02:46] <sintre> but no wifi for his desktop
[02:47] <sintre> well he's gotta come back to help him , i assume he will as he aint giving up on it obviously
[03:13] <Roey> Darin
[03:13] <Roey> doh
[03:13] <Roey> he left..
[03:13] <sintre> he'll be back just stay around chat
[03:13] <Roey> ok
[03:14] <Roey> I need to go to bed soon--I should try that livecd...ya know..I'll burn it on my laptop
[03:14] <Roey> hihi DarinMiller
[03:14] <sintre> told you he'd be back
[03:14] <Roey> ^_^
[03:18] <DarinMiller> Hey Roey
[03:19] <Roey> oh hello DarinMiller
[03:19] <sintre> ahh hpefully bboth here t same time lol
[03:19] <Roey> I'm downloading the 16.10 livcd
[03:19] <Roey> :)
[03:20] <DarinMiller> Sounds like a great plan.  So the network symptons seem to be dns resolution related?  (You can ping specific IP's but no name resolving?)
[03:20] <sintre> roey darin can't think of what i can't imagine , helped me tons
[03:22] <Roey> ah!
[03:22] <Roey> wellthank you
[03:22] <Roey> DarinMiller: indeed
[03:22] <Roey> I can ping specific IPs, but when I try pinging hostnames, it just sits there
[03:23] <Roey> when I try going to specific hostnames in Firefox, it just says "looking up"
[03:23] <Roey> eventually it times out (I figure it is timing out and defaulting to another resolution provider) and downloads some of the web pate
[03:24] <Roey> DarinMiller: now assuming that the LiveCD works, then the next step would be to compare configuration of the system agains that of the livecd
[03:24] <Roey> I would think.
[03:25] <DarinMiller> Yes.  But while downloading lets see if we can fix it.
[03:25] <DarinMiller> Have you tried pointing to another dns server such as google via network manager settings?
[03:27] <Roey> I have
[03:28] <Roey> I mean I've tried putting this value in /etc/resolv.conf (it still didn't work, and /etc/resolv.conf invariably got overwritten anyway.. so I tried putting this value into /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head so that it would appear consistently in /etc/resolv.conf
[03:29] <Roey> but even with nameserver 8.8.8.8 as the first line in /etc/resolv.conf, still the system could not resolve hostnames
[03:30] <DarinMiller> what about disabling ipv6 in network manager?
[03:31] <Roey> I haven't tried disabling ipv6... how can I do that through the command line
[03:31] <Roey> ?
[03:31] <Roey> network manager.. I can't get that to run
[03:31] <sintre> ok now we're on to someting
[03:35] <Roey> yeah we tried it yesterday here
[03:35] <Roey> I just couldn't get this thing to load
[03:37] <Roey> BRB
[03:37] <DarinMiller> sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1
[03:37] <Roey> ah
[03:37] <DarinMiller> to renable sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=0
[03:37] <VulcanJedi> Any guesses why firefox keeps opening on my secondary display?
[03:38] <Roey> ok, I've disbaled it
[03:38] <Roey> now what? ping shows the same (mis)behavior
[03:39] <DarinMiller> ok, renable and try ping again.
[03:39] <Roey> same thing.
[03:39] <Roey> let me reboot for a sec?
[03:39] <Roey> I have the livecd here
[03:40] <sintre> certainy give that a go
[03:40] <Roey> ko, BRB
[03:40] <Roey> *ok
[03:41] <DarinMiller> ok
[03:42] <DarinMiller> VulcanJedi: some application ignore the windows manager window placement. However, you can override that behavior.
[03:42] <DarinMiller> VulcanJedi: btw, what version of Kubuntu are you running?
[03:42] <VulcanJedi> xenial
[03:44] <DarinMiller> Is everything working OK for you (plasma not crashing, dual monitor settings lost during reboot, etc)?
[03:45] <VulcanJedi> yes, though i had to force nvidia x server to add the correct resolution to my 2nd monitor. no display issues since then
[03:46] <DarinMiller> OK, if everything is stable then you should not need backports ppa, but I would recommend it you experience any stability issues.
[03:47] <VulcanJedi> oh, i got backports trying to get other things working, but it turns out facebook is just a curmudgeon
[03:47] <DarinMiller> regarding firefox, do you want it to alway open in the same location?  I can walk you through how to force it.
[03:48] <VulcanJedi> preferably, to open in the last position it was open
[03:48] <VulcanJedi> but if i can have it open on primary, that's of course the next best thing
[03:48] <DarinMiller> Just a sec, testing ff on my dual screen box.
[03:49] <DarinMiller> I usally run chrome and does not always follow the desktop windows placement either...
[03:50] <DarinMiller> Do you run ff full or split screen?
[03:50] <VulcanJedi> full
[03:51] <VulcanJedi> haven't tried chrome on ubuntu yet, is chromium the same thing?
[03:53] <DarinMiller> chromium lack the built in pepperflash and other proprietary bits.
[03:59] <DarinMiller> VulcanJedi:  the monitor where you want ff to start, is it your primary monitor? Do you know how to verify?
[03:59] <VulcanJedi> It is, but I can double check.
[04:00] <DarinMiller> 16.04 had issues with primary monitor retention. backports updates fix most of the issues.
[04:01] <VulcanJedi> oh, well then i should see if it keeps the 2nd monitor's panel if i add one again
[04:01] <DarinMiller> OK, I found a new option I had not tried until now.
[04:01] <VulcanJedi> yes, correct monitor is primary
[04:02] <DarinMiller> for grins, toggle the primary to other monitor apply then toggle back.
[04:02] <Froeystrated> hi all
[04:03] <Froeystrated> DarinMiller, sintre: hi!  So this is from the livecd
[04:03] <Froeystrated> proof that it's not a hardware issue
[04:03] <sintre> it lives
[04:03] <sintre> gj joey
[04:03] <VulcanJedi> done
[04:03] <sintre> so back up and prepare for new install
[04:03] <Froeystrated> I made one dvd, and that ended up having physical media errors so I made anothe rone
[04:03] <DarinMiller> regardless, try this trick: right click on title bar and select "more  options"
[04:03] <sintre> because we'
[04:03] <Froeystrated> what because we
[04:03] <DarinMiller> l^More Actions
[04:04] <sintre> can't figure out ho to fix current one
[04:04] <Froeystrated> sintre: I'd rather not have to make customizations to the OS again... argh
[04:04] <sintre> :)
[04:04] <Froeystrated> oh
[04:04] <DarinMiller> good to hear Froeystrated.  I still with we could fix your problem without a slegehammer reinstall, but I am out of ideas.
[04:04] <Froeystrated> and the graphics doesn't work
[04:04] <Froeystrated> I ahve nvidia here.
[04:04] <Froeystrated> DarinMiller: aye
[04:04] <Froeystrated> thanks
[04:05] <sintre> yea lets give it one more shot
[04:05] <DarinMiller> live cd does not have Nvidia proprietary drivers.
[04:05] <Froeystrated> but X won't show because it's nvidia
[04:05] <Froeystrated> yep
[04:05] <Froeystrated> DarinMiller: fuck me, rioght?
[04:05] <Froeystrated> *right
[04:05] <Froeystrated> sudo atp-get install nvidia-367
[04:05] <Froeystrated> er
[04:05] <Froeystrated> then restrtr X somehow
[04:05] <Froeystrated> and hope it loads nvidia drivers?
[04:05] <Froeystrated> dunno.
[04:06] <Froeystrated> god this is so retarded that it doesn't work.
[04:06] <DarinMiller> nvidia requires restart so live installing nvidia drivers will not persist through  reboot.
[04:06] <Froeystrated> every single upgrade of kubuntu breaks something stupid.
[04:06] <Froeystrated> DarinMiller: oh lovely :)
[04:06] <VulcanJedi> noted
[04:06] <Froeystrated> upgrading is never easy for me
[04:06] <Froeystrated> always something fundamental has to break, argh
[04:07] <DarinMiller> VulcanJedi: sorry, under more  actions, selection special windows settings
[04:08] <DarinMiller> On the size and position tab, check the "initial placment" box and select "under mouse" (or whatever you want to try).
[04:08] <VulcanJedi> Ooh! I'm going to try smart placement and see what it does
[04:08] <VulcanJedi> had no idea there were so many options in that context menu
[04:09] <DarinMiller> VulcanJedi: smart placement should be your current behavior unless you changed that in sys settings.
[04:09] <VulcanJedi> really? then why is default its own option?
[04:10] <DarinMiller> VulcanJedi: anyways, many options in there, but sadly, I don't see a remember last position option.
[04:11] <DarinMiller> check sys setting -> win manag -> win behavior -> advanced tab
[04:11] <VulcanJedi> oh, hey
[04:13] <DarinMiller> I set ff to open with meta+f and set ff win settings to open under the mouse.  works as advertised.
[04:13] <VulcanJedi> well, at least i have a fun new toolbox to play with, thx
[04:13] <DarinMiller> np :)
[04:14] <DarinMiller> Froeystrated: How much HD space do you have?
[04:15] <sintre> 64 gigs ram should = like 4 2 tb hdds :)
[04:15] <sintre> but didn't ask him about hdd space , oops
[04:15] <VulcanJedi> well, for one reason or the other, firefox is now opening on primary, so that's good
[04:15] <VulcanJedi> take that, kubuntu!
[04:16] <sintre> epsiode 2 kubuntu strikes back cometing to a install near you soon
[04:17] <DarinMiller> VulcanJedi: I have seen funny issues where some strange setting are stuck until the certain things are toggled.  That why I recommended toggling the primary monitor as I had an issue on 16.04.
[04:18] <DarinMiller> Oh, oh he left.
[04:19] <sintre> he'll problally be back
[04:19] <sintre> i guess
[04:19] <sintre> he's been at it for two days about now
[04:23] <Roey> hi
[04:23] <sintre> wb
[04:23] <Roey> rebooted.
[04:23] <Roey> so here is my catch 22
[04:23] <Roey> I can boot off a livecd
[04:23] <DarinMiller> ok
[04:23] <Roey> but X wont' work because of nvidia drivers missing.
[04:23] <sintre> ok darin can talk you thru doing a side by install with current install
[04:23] <Roey> I can jump off a bridge but that won't do anything to solve the problem
[04:23] <sintre> which then can give you time to work on new install while you save stuff
[04:24] <DarinMiller> Roey do you know if /home is it's own partition?
[04:24] <Roey> actually scratch that.  A friend of mine did jump off a bridge, so that's not funny.
[04:24] <sintre> atleas then you can cess a webpage
[04:24] <Roey> DarinMiller: Yeah I was looking at th e mount table
[04:24] <Roey> /home, /arch are each in their own partitions
[04:24] <DarinMiller> df -l
[04:24] <VulcanJedi> DarinMiller, yup, that's going to be my goto fix for display-related issues now, toggle the relevant setting and see if it works
[04:25] <DarinMiller> shows /home as it's own partition?
[04:25] <Roey> DarinMiller: you know I'd pastebin it but I can't load the pastebin site
[04:25] <Roey> DarinMiller: correct
[04:25] <Roey> I can obliterate / and /home and /arch would still be there
[04:26] <Roey> or would they? it's a btrfs installation.
[04:26] <DarinMiller> Wait, so if you know about setting up home as it's own partition, I assume you know you  can re-install without reformatting home, yes?
[04:26] <Roey> DarinMiller: right
[04:26] <Roey> the only thing--is that I don't have a backup here.
[04:26] <Roey> I mean I do.
[04:26] <Roey> But I can't get the disk drive to work for some reason.
[04:26] <DarinMiller> what is in root that requires backup?
[04:26] <Roey> well just my /home and /arch
[04:26] <Roey> /arch is where I keep movies, music, etc.
[04:27] <Roey> and even still, I can't load x
[04:27] <Roey> *X
[04:29] <DarinMiller> mind sharing your df listing? df -l | pastebinit
[04:29] <DarinMiller> http://pastebin.com/00YAAUUZ <- Mine looks like this.
[04:29] <Roey> what's pastebinit, a command?  I don't appear to have it.
[04:29] <Roey> and again--I can't resolve hostnames so I can't do this
[04:29] <Roey> I can't load the site
[04:29] <DarinMiller> sudo apt install pastebinit
[04:30] <Roey> connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com...
[04:30] <Roey> um
[04:30] <Roey> it's not connecting
[04:30] <Roey> do you get it?
[04:30] <Roey> I can't look up anything
[04:30] <DarinMiller> you can pipe command like output and create quick share link to terminal output.
[04:30] <Roey> here
[04:30] <Roey> pm me
[04:30] <Roey> i"ll paste there.
[04:30] <Roey> how about that?
[04:30] <DarinMiller> ok
[04:36] <Roey> hihi
[04:36] <sintre> hi again
[04:36] <sintre> so decide how your gonna go forward?
[04:36] <Roey> er
[04:36] <Roey> I have no idea.
[04:38] <sintre> btw can you right click on desktop
[04:38] <sintre> and add widgets
[04:38] <sintre> if so drag a network over onto desktop it probally has no icon in the menu on left side but it'll be there
[04:38] <sintre> then right click on it
[04:39] <sintre> then you can try change the settings on your connection
[04:39] <sintre> once you se your connection right click and hit edit
[04:49] <Roey> sintre: oh, ok
[04:49] <Roey> hi
[04:50] <Roey> ok I deactivated Network1 and then re-activated it
[04:50] <Roey> sintre: ping doesn't work still
[04:51] <sintre> well now you have access yto settings is darin still around
[04:51] <Roey> yeah we're chatting in a PM actually
[04:51] <sintre> i think ipv6 can be deactivated from there
[04:51] <Roey> we tried deactivating ipv6 through the commandline, that didn't sovle it
[04:53] <sintre> hmm , some great network guys but you gotta be on same time as them to grab thier attention and help
[04:53] <sintre> i honestly would just get rdy for new install side by side
[04:53] <Roey> ah
[04:53] <Roey> sure
[04:53] <Roey> I don't want to reinstall though
[04:53] <Roey> for a few reasons:
[04:53] <Roey> 1) I don't want to clobber my BTRFS partitions
[04:53] <sintre> this is almost two days not being able to even get a webpage silly
[04:53] <Roey> because it's all one partition that is subpartitioned
[04:54] <Roey> 2) I made custom edits to config files and don't want to clobber them with a re-installation
[04:54] <sintre> you can save copies of config files
[04:54] <sintre> its up to you but honestly , if at this point we've exuasted all option that i know of
[04:55] <sintre> or you can have a gimp useless os tht can rresolve websites
[04:55] <sintre> i mean thats your call , i don't think anybody else is gonna come up with magic answer
[04:56] <sintre> its time spent trouble shooting and hoping or time spent reinstalling and repairing
[04:56] <sintre> thing is we can't figure out hoew to repair this
[05:05] <Roey> sintre: I understand where you're coming from
[05:49] <Roey> DarinMiller, sintre: good night guys :)
[05:49] <DarinMiller> gn all
[05:49] <sintre> night Roey
[05:49] <sintre> might DarinMiller
[05:49] <sintre> night :)
[05:49] <DarinMiller> :)
[08:23] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:29] <user|39627> hi
[12:42] <antonio_> ciao
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:39] <Taggnostr> hello
[15:39] <Taggnostr> I'm copying files from my hd to an externa drive, but it seems to be going at <1MBps, is this normal?
[15:40] <BluesKaj> hi Taggnostr
[15:41] <Taggnostr> I first tried through dolphin, and plasmashell was using 100%+ cpu, now I'm trying with cp, and it still seems slow
[15:41] <BluesKaj> is the external drive usb connected ?, if so make sure it's connected to the 3.0
[15:41] <Taggnostr> it's usb, and I connected it to the blue usb on the back of my pc
[15:42] <Taggnostr> even usb 2 should transfer at 60MB/s
[15:43] <BluesKaj> Taggnostr, actually it shoud be faster thru dolphin
[15:43] <Taggnostr> should I stop cp and try again through dolphin?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> Taggnostr, yes
[15:44] <Taggnostr> let's see
[15:44] <BluesKaj> you should see the external drive listed in the dolphin device list on the left
[15:45] <Taggnostr> the tray loading icon says 300KiB/s
[15:45] <Taggnostr> and plasmashell is using ~115% cpu (from top)
[15:46] <Taggnostr> I think this already happened a few times in the past, sometimes it gets really slow, sometimes it's fast
[15:49] <BluesKaj> Taggnostr, odd that plasmashell is using so much cpu, perhaps an update and upgrade are in order
[15:49] <Taggnostr> should be up to date
[15:51] <BluesKaj> I just copied 3Gig media file from my outboard to my home dir in less than 30 secs, but I use an esata to sata connection
[15:52] <Taggnostr> that's what usually happens for me as well, but some times it's slow
[15:52] <BluesKaj> you must have some other processes using up cpu
[15:53] <Taggnostr> plasmashell? it starts eating cpu as soon as I start copying
[15:53] <BluesKaj> it shouldn'r
[15:55] <Taggnostr> I'll try to copy the subdirs one by one and see if it changes anything
[16:08] <BluesKaj> oops, my ususally reliable vpn server went down
[16:08] <Taggnostr> I'll try to restart and see if it gets any better
[16:09] <BluesKaj> Taggnostr, which kubuntu are you running?
[16:09] <acheronuk> Taggnostr: what version of plasma do you have?
[16:10] <Taggnostr> 16.10
[16:10] <Taggnostr> plasmashell 5.7.5
[16:10] <Taggnostr> brb
[16:16] <acheronuk> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356479
[16:16] <acheronuk> at least on the CPU side, may be that ^^^^
[16:17] <acheronuk> and that is hopefully fixed in the plasma 5.8.x backports in backports ppa
[16:17] <Taggnostr> that did the trick, copying at ~30MB/s now
[16:17] <acheronuk> though I can't confirm that 100%, as I was never able to reproduce that bug to start with
[16:17] <acheronuk> Taggnostr: ok. so a transient issue then
[16:18] <Taggnostr> yes, it comes and goes
[16:18] <Taggnostr> I'm not even sure that's the issue, I think I got similar problems when I had programs writing on the disk
[16:19] <Taggnostr> like a videocapture software, sometimes when I stopped it it would be ready immediately, other times it would take a few minutes to write the file before it was ready
[16:19] <acheronuk> possible not the same then
[16:19] <Taggnostr> the files had comparable sizes, and I don't remember it having any tray animation
[16:19] <Taggnostr> I just hope it's not an hardware issue
[16:20] <Taggnostr> FTR now plasmashell is around ~60%, but the writing is going fast
[16:22] <Taggnostr> there's also a mount.ntfs using 15-50%
[17:34] <BluesKaj> !info ext4
[17:34] <BluesKaj> !info extfs
[18:01] <kiendeleo> So I just set up my laptop with Kubuntu after 10+ years of using Ubuntu as my primary OS for my work computers.  I set up Two-Factor authentication for sudo and login and it apears that the Plasma login doesn't support entering the unlock code and a password.  Is ther a way to add this feature?
[18:02] <kiendeleo> *there
[18:05] <BluesKaj> kiendeleo, what do you mean, two factor authentication ?
[18:06] <kiendeleo> I set it up so that I have to enter a code and a password using the "google-authenticator" package
[18:08] <BluesKaj> never heard of that as an authenticator for Kubuntu
[18:09] <kiendeleo> It works great on servers and compand line stuff (ssh, etc.) but I would like to get it set up so I have to have the authenticator to log in to the machine as well
[18:11] <BluesKaj> in sddm or grub?
[18:12] <kiendeleo> ssdm
[18:13] <kiendeleo> *sddm
[18:14] <BluesKaj> I guess you could edit /etc/sddm.conf
[18:17] <kiendeleo> that file doesn't exist, I am runnign 16.10 if that chnages anything
[18:21] <BluesKaj> kiendeleo, /etc/sddm.conf  exists here on 16.10..I have it open
[18:23] <kiendeleo> I have an sddm folder in /etc and it contains a file Xsession in it
[18:24] <kiendeleo> no sddm.conf
[18:26] <BluesKaj> look in dolhin root then etc, then a textfile sddm.conf
[18:28] <BluesKaj> or in the run command , /etc/sddm.conf
[18:28] <kiendeleo> "bash: /etc/sddm.conf: No such file or directory"
[18:30] <BluesKaj> kiendeleo, alt+f2, kdesudo kate /etc/sddm.conf
[18:31] <kiendeleo> It opened a blank file saying it is new
[18:32] <kiendeleo> I am guessing that kate is simular to Gedit in Ubuntu
[18:32] <BluesKaj> yes
[18:35] <BluesKaj> odd because I have it as a plain textfile here and on my laptop
[18:36] <kiendeleo> definatly odd, This is a fresh instal off of the latest Iso (Downloaded yesterday) were there recent changes to how the display manager works?
[18:39] <BluesKaj> kiendeleo, https://paste.kde.org/pcocopnxp
[18:40] <BluesKaj> kiendeleo, sddm is the default kubuntu DM afaik
[18:40] <kiendeleo> It that what is supposed to be in that file?
[18:41] <BluesKaj> good question  :-)
[18:42] <BluesKaj> I don't edit many conf files..mainly media conf files
[18:43] <kiendeleo> I guess I'll be reading a plethora of manpages today LOL
[18:44] <user|61838> hello, I am tryingng to install expressvpn on kubuntu 16.10, but I need to install initscripts. can anyone help me troubleshoot this issue?
[18:45] <BluesKaj> kiendeleo, good luck, most man pages are too arcane for my ' knowledge base '
[18:45] <BluesKaj> you probly need to install openvpn user|61838
[18:45] <user|61838> I did
[18:46] <user|61838> When i try to connect manually, my connection is timed out
[18:47] <kiendeleo> BluesKaj, thanks for your help
[18:47] <BluesKaj> user|61838, did expressvpn provide you with .ovpn and certs for the openvpn file
[18:47] <user|61838> When i try to use the app provided by expressvpn I get the initscripts error
[18:48] <user|61838> I will paste the error I am getting
[18:49] <BluesKaj> user|61838, i asked you a question plase answer that first
[18:50] <user|61838> yes they did
[18:51] <BluesKaj> also did you install network-manager-openvpn
[18:52] <user|61838> Yes I installed network-manager-openvpn
[18:53] <BluesKaj> user|61838, did you copy the crt and .ovvpn files to /etc/openvpn/
[18:54] <user|61838> No I did not, should I do that now?
[18:56] <BluesKaj> us, depends did you also download and install an sh file or run file with a small gui as part of the expressvpn package
[18:56] <BluesKaj> user|61838,^
[18:57] <user|61838> I did, however, I could not install the file because I am missing the "initscripts" dependency
[18:58] <BluesKaj> ok let's see the eroor
[18:59] <user|61838> https://goo.gl/ELqRq0  I used the paste feature, not to sure how it works lol
[19:00] <BluesKaj> user did you i9nstall the replacements suggested in line 5?
[19:00] <BluesKaj> install
[19:01] <BluesKaj> user|61838,^
[19:02] <user|61838> BluesKaj, no I did not, I am a novice linux user, if you have the time would you walk me through the process?
[19:04] <BluesKaj> user|61838, open a terminal, the copy and paste this, sudo apt install util-linux util-linux:i386 sysvinit-utils:i386 sysvinit-utils , then enter
[19:04] <BluesKaj> the=then
[19:05] <user|61838> BluesKaj, done, want me to post the results?
[19:06] <BluesKaj> no errors?
[19:07] <BluesKaj> dependency errors etc
[19:07] <user|61838> yes there were errors
[19:08] <BluesKaj> ok post
[19:09] <user|61838> https://goo.gl/g9djYb
[19:10] <BluesKaj> bummer I should have thought of this elemntary command first , sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade ,
[19:11] <user|61838> ok one sec
[19:11] <BluesKaj> user|61838, sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:11] <user|61838> I ran it
[19:12] <BluesKaj> now the dpkg command above
[19:13] <user|61838> I ran it
[19:13] <user|61838> nothing so far
[19:14] <BluesKaj> so it returned to the prompt without any output
[19:14] <user|61838> yes
[19:15] <BluesKaj> ok, now run sudo apt -f install
[19:16] <user|61838> all three results returned 0
[19:18] <BluesKaj> user|61838, check /etc/openvpn to see if the crts and .ovpn files are there
[19:19] <user|61838> Blueskaj, No they are not in the etc/openvpn folder
[19:19] <BluesKaj> topen dolphin then choose root then navigate to /etc/then openvpn
[19:19] <user|61838> I did
[19:20] <BluesKaj> ok, are the crt and .ovpn files in your Downloads ?
[19:20] <user|61838> yes
[19:22] <BluesKaj> you'll need root permission so do, alt+F2 , then, kdesudo dolphin /etc/openvpn and paste the files there
[19:24] <user|61838> ok, I pasted them there
[19:24] <BluesKaj> now reboot
[19:25] <lordievader> BluesKaj: You do know you can just point openvpn (the cli anyways) to the .ovpn file?
[19:28] <BluesKaj> yes i do that myself , but I'm not using NM
[19:28] <BluesKaj> oh you mean inorder to copy the files...\
[19:28] <BluesKaj> old habits and all that
[19:29] <BluesKaj> lordievader, thanks for the reminder
[19:30] <user|67015> BluesKaj, Im back
[19:30] <lordievader> No, as in "sudo openvpn <path-to-.ovpn"
[19:30] <user|67015> I guess I should pick an username lol
[19:31] <BluesKaj> user|67015, a nick would be good
[19:31] <Duvah89> ok, so I restarted my computer, the files are in the etc/openvpn folder, what do i do now
[19:38] <BluesKaj> sorry my vpn got disconnected
[19:38] <BluesKaj> I'll repeat lordievader, my vpn service requires a username and pw in the commnad, i have it aliased in bash-aliases so i don't have type a long command to connect
[19:44] <BluesKaj> the command has to point to /etc/openvpn/login.txt for username and pw, so it's a bit complicated
[19:45] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Your .ovpn config can point to that too. I got a similar setup on a vm. The openvpn service is started on boot. VPN requires username and password, but the config takes care of that.
[19:46] <BluesKaj> i don't use vpn all the time, just for torrents and irc mostly
[20:14] <BluesKaj> Duvah89, is your vpn connecting?
[20:23] <Duvah89> BluesKaj, sorry no it is not, I had to step away from my desk, my apologies.
[21:17] <Roey> hello all
[21:17] <Roey> lordievader: o/
[22:06] <Roey> .tell
[22:06] <Roey> doh.
[22:09] <sintre> Roey> hey there good day
[22:09] <sintre> so how is the jounrey going :)
[22:11] <Roey> oh man
[22:11] <Roey> I fixed it.
[22:11] <Roey> sintre: I still have to breathe heavily, one moment
[22:12] <sintre> ok , i gotta hear this :)
[22:16] <Roey> sintre: this pisses me off so much, like being hit in the face with a shiny gold brick wrapped in a thin rind of lemon
[22:17] <sintre> err , i can imagine
[22:17] <sintre> so what was the finaly fix
[22:18] <Roey> getting rid of /etc/hosts (the one from https://hosts-file.net/?s=Download) and replacing it with the stock hosts file
[22:18] <Roey> I tried also the newest version of that file and got the same error
[22:18] <Roey> so the system has a problem reading that hosts file
[22:18] <sintre> where did you grab the host file from live cd?
[22:19] <Roey> sintre: see here: https://superuser.com/questions/704785/ping-cant-resolve-hostname-but-nslookup-can
[22:20] <Roey> sintre: I retained the stock hosts file when I installed that giant hostsfile from the net
[22:20] <Roey> (I just moved it to /etc/hosts.stock)
[22:20] <sintre> god dman
[22:20] <Roey> so now I copied that stock sucker back into /etc/hosts, and it works.
[22:21] <sintre> you can report this lil problem and work around on forums or maybe in kubuntu-devel with this problem
[22:21] <sintre> but i could be a problem above them
[22:21] <sintre> i certainly book marked that page
[22:21] <Roey> thank you :)
[22:22] <Roey> thank you *so* *so* *so* much
[22:22] <sintre> certainly thx for your stubborness
[22:22] <Roey> ;)
[22:22] <sintre> darin is gonna love to hear the news
[22:22] <Roey> sintre: I mean that web page went thorugh all of the ideas we had
[22:23] <Roey> and the last one... made me realize that yes, I had changed /etc/hosts (with that one from the net that blocks advertisement sites)
[22:23] <sintre> certainly get word out there best you can i'll do the same
[22:23] <Roey> ok
[22:23] <Roey> is there a .tell here
[22:23] <Roey> .tell
[22:23] <Roey> doh
[22:23] <Roey> would have wnated to let Darin know
[22:23] <sintre> hhe normally gets on later in the evening i'll let you tell him :)
[22:23] <Roey> so I think that the system has an isuse trying to read that 'net hosts file.
[22:23] <Roey> :)
[22:23] <Roey> sintre: can you do me a favor
[22:23] <Roey> a big favor
[22:23] <sintre> whats that
[22:23] <Roey> do you have a test environment
[22:24] <sintre> na sry
[22:24] <Roey> can you try downloading that file and after isntallig it into /etc/hosts, try and ping something?
[22:24] <sintre> later when my other pc if free i can
[22:24] <sintre> its in use atm
[22:25] <sintre> this is my pribary system i'm on atm
[22:25] <sintre> primary bla
[22:25] <sintre> my older notebook hooked up to everything hardwired
[22:26] <Roey> ooh I like pribaries
[22:26] <Roey> antioxidants, you know
[22:26] <Roey> sintre: heh
[22:26] <sintre> lol
[22:27] <Roey> so in short I think 16.04 was fine with that hostsfile from https://hosts-file.net/?s=Download but 16.10 is not.
[22:27] <sintre> you'd be supposed at some of my epic mtypos
[22:27] <sintre> i once assert to the channel i was going to grab some ravioli for dinner instead of leving it in my panty
[22:28] <sintre> they're loginand here but pretty active in kubuntu-devel atm
[22:28] <sintre> if they can fix it they will
[22:28] <sintre> fif its not just uniwue to you
[22:28] <sintre> unique
[22:29] <Roey> hahahaha
[22:29] <Roey> fif
[22:29] <Roey> ?
[22:30] <Roey> sintre: aye
[22:30] <Roey> sintre: are you familiar with hostfile.net?
[22:30] <Roey> they give you a hostfile that blocks plenty of advertisement sites
[22:30] <sintre> not really
[22:30] <sintre> ohh so you had something previously installed
[22:30] <sintre> custom
[22:30] <sintre> before yupgrade?
[22:32] <Roey> correct
[22:33] <sintre> well then we found the culprit
[22:33] <Roey> aye!
[22:33] <Roey> sure did.
[22:35] <Roey> god
[22:35] <Roey> I feel like I've just come out of the bathroom and my butt feels numb from sitting so long
[22:35] <Roey> but I got it.
[22:36] <sintre> yea man certainy congratz 100 times
[22:36] <Roey> heh
[22:36] <Roey> and btw
[22:36] <sintre> it always works out like that it seems
[22:36] <sintre> last thing you'd could possibly think of
[22:36] <Roey> the way they use strace in that link I showed you--that is what I mean by "digging deeper"
[22:36] <Roey> solid analytical work
[22:36] <Roey> sintre: heh