[08:59] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke, hey folks.
[08:59] <willcooke> hey TheMuso
[09:02] <Laney> muhahaha
[09:04] <seb128> hey TheMuso willcooke Laney
[09:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:06] <hikiko> Trevinho, bad news
[09:07] <hikiko> your fix doesn't fix the segfault :/ or it's another one gnome session related
[09:07] <hikiko> if I restart u7 40 times :p
[09:07] <hikiko> there was 1 caused by a tex missing in decorations, I've fixed that
[09:08] <hikiko> and then I got again the gnome session related
[09:08] <Laney> hey seb128 hey davmor2 hey hikiko hey TheMuso hey willcooke!!!!!
[09:09] <hikiko> hi Laney seb128 davmor2 TheMuso willcooke flexiondotorg etc
[09:09] <hikiko> I am sure I forgot to hi-light someone
[09:09] <seb128> :-)
[09:09] <flexiondotorg> Morning hikiko and desktopers
[09:09] <flexiondotorg> Hello TheMuso
[09:09] <davmor2> Morning Laney how grim is it up north
[09:10] <Laney> davmor2: pretty grim actually
[09:10] <Laney> there's been this mist hanging around for like 4 days now
[09:11] <ogra_> mist sounds better than -20C
[09:11] <davmor2> Laney: yeah we got that today
[09:11] <Laney> ogra_: nice!
[09:11] <ogra_> well, not anymore but this night was *cold*
[09:12] <Laney> although, not sure I've ever actually experienced -20
[09:12] <ogra_> we have that every few years for a day or two
[09:12] <davmor2> Laney: it's cold you don't want to
[09:12] <hikiko> mmm no, Trevinho it seems to be a dbus lambda, different :)
[09:18] <hikiko> heh I've experienced -20!!! once, in Greece :p I kno, you 'll never believe me though :p (but we have some regions that get that low temperatures for a few days every few winters :P)
[09:20] <happyaron> hey TheMuso willcooke Laney seb128 davmor2 hikiko flexiondotorg ogra_ hikiko
[09:21] <hikiko> hi happyaron :)
[09:22] <hikiko> and ogra_
[09:22] <ogra_> :)
[09:24] <flexiondotorg> happyaron o/
[09:25] <happyaron> :)
[10:18] <Sweet5hark> hmm, hmm
[10:27] <seb128> good morning Sweet5hark
[10:29] <xnox> Sweet5hark, i have a clash for the DF advisory board =(
[10:41] <willcooke> hikiko, Trevinho, seb128 - are you guys free for a quick hangout now?
[10:41] <willcooke> want to get this low gfx thing sorted asap
[10:41] <hikiko> yes
[10:42] <Sweet5hark> xnox: huh?
[10:44] <xnox> document foundation advisory board
[10:45]  * Sweet5hark was distracted by a build system bikeshed on #libreoffice.
[10:46] <Sweet5hark> xnox: ah: clash in the sense of a scheduling conflict?
[10:46]  * Sweet5hark is utterly underprepped for that call too.
[10:49] <xnox> yeah
[11:01] <Sweet5hark> in other news, my local 5.3.0.1 build finished somehow ...
[11:02] <Sweet5hark> dpkg that is.
[11:03] <Sweet5hark> while 5.3.0.2 snap looks more curious: success on amd64 \o/ ....
[11:03] <Sweet5hark> ... but fail on armhf and i386.
[11:05] <Sweet5hark> both with different test fails :/
[11:06] <Sweet5hark> eh, retry. the windows administraitors secret weapon.
[11:17]  * flexiondotorg nips out for early lunch
[12:41] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hi, please let me know if there is a deb-source-package up
[12:51] <seb128> willcooke, sorry was at lunch
[12:51] <willcooke> seb128, np, i think its ok
[12:51] <seb128> did you have it? I don't think I'm key in that discussion
[12:51] <willcooke> ok = in hand
[12:51] <seb128> k
[12:51] <seb128> good!
[13:35] <Trevinho> willcooke: sorry, missed that...
[13:35] <willcooke> Trevinho, np.  I think hikiko|ln is all set
[13:35] <Trevinho> hikiko|ln: did you get any valid stack trace?
[13:36] <hikiko> sorry I was for lunch
[13:37] <hikiko> Trevinho, this method doesn't work not even for ccsm (see mail)
[13:37] <hikiko> but I discussed with willcooke and I am going to try to fix/extend libcompizconfig to do what I want
[13:37] <hikiko> then if I fail we could do a hangout and see next step
[13:38] <hikiko> check in a guest env yourself
[13:38] <Trevinho> hikiko: the main problem I see with the ini files, is that we're switching to something that loads settings from some .ini configuration, instead of gsetttings
[13:39] <Trevinho> and I'm not sure then ccsm how will act, and what profile will really use
[13:39] <Trevinho> as writing on Default.ini means making ccsm to use it, instead of the unity(-lowgfx) one
[13:40] <Trevinho> So... To me, if that change doesn't work, it will on reload... Which we might still trigger using upstart/systemd in case...
[13:41] <hikiko> i kno
[13:41] <hikiko> I changed that
[13:41] <hikiko> it still doesnt work
[13:41] <hikiko> ccsSetBackend fixes that
[13:42] <hikiko> I ve found something else worth investigating now
[13:42] <hikiko> basically I am looking at the code that loads the Default.ini
[13:42] <Trevinho> hikiko: the thing is that if that setProfile doesn't work, it would be worth understanding why it's that...
[13:42] <hikiko> that's where I have to start i thing
[13:42] <hikiko> yup
[13:43] <hikiko> and why only when Default.ini is changed
[13:43] <hikiko> the change takes place instantly
[13:43] <Trevinho> Personally I didn't think it was a problem to even say users to logout to get the session properly set, but... Indeed it's better if that's not the case
[13:43] <hikiko> and the other times it doesnt
[13:43] <hikiko> this is what I am investigating
[13:43] <Trevinho> hikiko: I think it could be caused by the gsettings backend making something weird
[13:43] <hikiko> yeah
[13:44] <Trevinho> as in that case it's using the .ini one I guess
[13:44] <Trevinho> and.... We don't want it
[13:44] <hikiko> I am using gsettings
[13:44] <hikiko> not ini
[13:44] <hikiko> noticed that too
[13:45] <hikiko> that's a good point but not the only problem
[14:10] <desrt> i love gsettings users!
[14:10] <desrt> er.. i mean.. good morning!
[14:10] <desrt> happy thursday
[14:16] <seb128> hey desrt, happy thursday to you as well
[16:10] <davmor2> seb128: barry is having a look to the fix for update manager
[16:11] <davmor2> \o/
[16:18] <seb128> davmor2, great, thanks for poking him about it
[17:29] <ximion> Laney: due to the ongoing complaints of people about AppStream downloading too much, I will disable icon-downloads in the AppStream package, and have them enabled by GUI tools explicitly
[17:30] <ximion> that way, the icons are only downloaded if they are really needed
[17:30] <ximion> which means that when you switch to AppStream 0.10.6, you'll also need to ship a small apt.conf snippet with GNOME Software
[17:31] <Laney> hi ximion
[17:31] <Laney> ongoing by who?
[17:32] <ximion> Laney: bug reporters, people on IRC, ...
[17:32] <Laney> riiiiiiiiight
[17:32] <ximion> this will not stop people complaining, but will make them complain at the right place ;-)
[17:32] <Laney> well I wouldn't do this in a stable series if I were you
[17:33] <ximion> also, the real reason why I do this is for server people and others using AppStream to find firmware on non-GUI systems. If there is no GUI, there is no point for downloading icons
[17:33] <ximion> I also hope this change will make it easier later to enable/disable HiDPI icons
[17:34] <ximion> the impact on Debian should be zero, since we will upload a new GS for Stretch in time
[17:35] <Laney> you should do it with a Breaks on broken SCs imho
[17:36] <Laney> those opinions aside, seems fair enough to me
[17:36] <seb128> Laney, attente, ximion, did you see any report/discussions about fd leaks in g-s?
[17:36] <Laney> no
[17:37] <seb128> hum, k
[17:37] <seb128> bug #1648534 is the most reported issue on e.u.c
[17:37] <ximion> Laney: jup, I am thinking about that, but I might accidentially break Ubuntu's gnome-software that way
[17:37] <Laney> don't follow upstream bugs though, so there could be one there
[17:37] <seb128> but doesn't seems to do it for robert_ancell or me
[17:37] <attente> haven't seen any either
[17:38] <seb128> there is over 1.8M reports
[17:38] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/70c23d0f4e2be24b26672427d4218dc8f0823597
[17:38] <seb128> wonder what's going on
[17:43] <Laney> why are almost all the incoming requests for an old version?
[17:47] <seb128> good question
[17:47] <seb128> could be a liveCD issue
[17:47] <seb128> is that the version on the iso?
[17:48] <Laney> it is
[17:48] <Laney> but if you click on the reports some of them are from installed systems
[17:48] <seb128> users don't do updates...
[17:48] <Laney> is it being stopped by phased updates?
[17:49]  * Laney tries to remember how to check
[17:49] <seb128> Laney, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[17:49] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[17:49] <Laney> hmm nope
[17:49] <seb128> it's not on there so I guess not
[17:49] <Laney> wtf
[17:49] <seb128> I would just say that users don't do updates
[17:50] <seb128> we have issues with update-manager not auto-opening often in xenial
[17:50] <Laney> meh
[17:50] <Laney> well the numbers look good for it being better
[17:50] <Laney> but hard to know
[17:50] <seb128> and the gnome-software/notify-osd non interactive notifications are probably not very sucessful on getting them to open the upgrade tools
[17:50] <seb128> yeah :-/
[17:53] <Laney> hope someone's looking at those update problems ;-)
[17:55] <seb128> we fixed some, unsure what's the situation today
[18:06]  * Laney posted a quick summary on the bug, maybe robert_ancell can confirm that if he tries
[18:06] <Laney> nighty night
[18:07] <seb128> night Laney & desktopers!
[18:47] <willcooke> night all
[22:50] <dmj_s76> cyphermox: merge proposal for Humanity to add @2x icon support: https://code.launchpad.net/~dmj726/humanity/hidpi-2x/+merge/315166
[22:50] <dmj_s76> Fixes a couple hidpi bugs:
[22:50] <dmj_s76> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/humanity-icon-theme/+bug/1657863
[22:50] <dmj_s76> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1622686
[23:38] <cyphermox> dmj_s76: we should get input from the desktop team, because this won't only affect the installer.
[23:39] <dmj_s76> certainly
[23:40] <dmj_s76> This will affect how icons look on hidpi systems (making them look the same as on lowdpi systems)
[23:42] <dmj_s76> Right now the Humanity icons look noticeably different on hidpi systems.
[23:43] <dmj_s76> Icon size issues, icons in buttons using different metaphors on a hidpi vs lowdpi screen, icons generally having much thinner strokes on hidpi than low.
[23:44] <dmj_s76> Adding @2x support fixes those issues while keeping lines and curves nice and sharp on hidpi screens.