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| sil2100 | o/ | 16:00 |
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| tdaitx | o/ | 16:00 |
| cyphermox | o/ | 16:01 |
| barry | o/ | 16:01 |
| chiluk | o\ | 16:02 |
| * xnox is flashing UEFI firmware.... once that is done will join voice | 16:02 | |
| * slangasek waves | 16:02 | |
| chiluk | must be nice xnox.... | 16:03 |
| xnox | 75% now =) | 16:03 |
| xnox | Main USB Type-C Controller 1 | 16:03 |
| chiluk | I'm assuming you are doing that on your awesome Dell that's able to do it from within the OS. | 16:03 |
| xnox | yes | 16:03 |
| slangasek | #startmeeting | 16:03 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Jan 19 16:03:48 2017 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 16:03 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 16:03 |
| cyphermox | kind of wondering why that's required for audio? | 16:03 |
| slangasek | chiluk: able to /initiate/ it from the OS, I think you mean :) | 16:04 |
| xnox | chiluk, but it kind of does reboot system into the UEFI egg, hence can't do anything | 16:04 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] lightning round | 16:04 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: lightning round | ||
| slangasek | $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox tdaitx xnox chiluk mwhudson) | 16:04 |
| gaughen | o/ | 16:04 |
| slangasek | barry caribou infinity doko mwhudson xnox chiluk slangasek tdaitx bdmurray robru cyphermox sil2100 | 16:04 |
| chiluk | oh yeah forgot about that xnox.. still slick. | 16:04 |
| barry | win! | 16:04 |
| sil2100 | Damn, I won... | 16:04 |
| barry | no meeting last week, so 2-week status | 16:04 |
| barry | python-webencodings 0.5-2; python-persistent 4.2.2-1; various other debian things; html5lib/python-bleach regressions - will be looking at proposed branch to regress html5lib to seven-9s version (test w/pip); python-pip 9.0.1-2 (fixes python3.6 compat); python-mode 1:6.2.3-1 | 16:04 |
| * sil2100 hates being last, needs to wait so long for his turn | 16:04 | |
| barry | network-manager still has not promoted due to systemd regression; looked at LP: #1647031 (still cannot reproduce locally due to kvm crash *inside* virt-qemu); i think this is not related to network-manager but a more general systemd regression (i think pitti confirmed) | 16:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1647031 in systemd (Ubuntu) "systemd-resolved’s 127.0.0.53 server does not follow CNAME records" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1647031 | 16:05 |
| chiluk | way better than lenovo that requires a CD-ROM... *(seriously I tried a usb stick). | 16:05 |
| barry | ubuntu-image: released 0.14 to subsume 0.13; contains several autopkgtest fixes; still need to q/a the SRUs & snap; LP: #1650402; LP: #1655735; various housekeeping; LP: #1656371; LP: #1656391; | 16:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1650402 in Ubuntu Image "Add CI for Python 3.6" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1650402 | 16:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1655735 in linux (Ubuntu) "Incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.136 (2016-11-05) and kernel driver (unknown version)." [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1655735 | 16:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1656371 in Ubuntu Image "Sparse file unittests fail on zfs" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1656371 | 16:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1656391 in Ubuntu Image "mount autopkgtest failure in lxc container" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1656391 | 16:05 |
| barry | looked at autopkgtest-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud problems, but it only occurred on yakkety and i've since upgraded all machines to zesty; debian bug #783202 | 16:05 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 783202 in autopkgtest "[adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud] timeout nearly after display "Net device info"" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/783202 | 16:05 |
| barry | looked at nova ftbfs on trusty w/python 2.7.12-1-14.02 | 16:05 |
| barry | looked at claws-mail 3.14.1-2 promotion bug - it's caused by gpgme1.0 ftbfs (LP: #1647204) | 16:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1647204 in gpgme1.0 (Ubuntu) "1.8.0-2 FTBFS in zesty 17.04" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1647204 | 16:05 |
| barry | python3.6 transition work for z; ppa test rebuild begun; scripts to sync/copy/status/rebuild updated, refined, and gitified; | 16:05 |
| barry | --done-- | 16:05 |
| caribou | Bugfix : | 16:05 |
| caribou | LP: #103690 - IBM ppc64 - crash tool does not work on 4.8 kernels | 16:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 103690 in ndiswrapper (Ubuntu) "Ndiswrapper can't connect to WPA network using 2.6.20-14-generic on amd64 (feisty)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103690 | 16:05 |
| caribou | merge crash tool | 16:05 |
| caribou | Sosreport 3.3 trusty SRU | 16:06 |
| caribou | trusty, yakkety & xenial actually | 16:06 |
| caribou | Sponsor slashd krb5 SRU for LP: #1648901 | 16:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1648901 in krb5 (Ubuntu Xenial) "SPNEGO crash on mechanism failure" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1648901 | 16:06 |
| caribou | (done) | 16:06 |
| bdmurray | no infinity | 16:09 |
| xnox | infinity is off... | 16:09 |
| xnox | doko, | 16:09 |
| doko | - finish the trusty/python 2.7 test rebuild. for now, identified python-glanceclient nova oslo.messaging glance cinder as failing. these at least need investigation | 16:10 |
| doko | - python 3.5.3 release | 16:10 |
| doko | - GCC: extract, reduce, forward ppc64el ICE, fixed with the next upload | 16:10 |
| doko | - GCC: update to the 2007-01 snapshot | 16:10 |
| doko | - next GCC update, GCC cross fixes | 16:10 |
| doko | - some non-security openjdk-8 updates | 16:10 |
| doko | (done) | 16:10 |
| xnox | i guess mwhudson not here?! | 16:10 |
| xnox | deputy systemd: integrate instead of systemd-shim hand off to tvoss et.al. | 16:11 |
| xnox | receive bugs from tvoss et.al. about racy start of snapd units due to cgmanager | 16:11 |
| xnox | redo deputy systemd, without conflicts with systemd-shim and without cgmanager | 16:11 |
| xnox | stable, in unaproved queue | 16:11 |
| xnox | fix old s390x bugs | 16:11 |
| xnox | upload installer SRUs for 16.04.2, hopefully (most are released now, remaining netcfg is optional/cosmetic) | 16:11 |
| barry | doko: yeah, i looked at those but it'll take a deeper dive | 16:11 |
| xnox | refresh of merges | 16:11 |
| xnox | Away next week, skiing in Arosa, CH | 16:11 |
| xnox | .. | 16:11 |
| doko | barry: coreyb already uploaded kombu to -proposed. some of these should be fixed with this upload | 16:11 |
| barry | doko: cool | 16:11 |
| bdmurray | chiluk: you're up | 16:13 |
| chiluk | LP#1647389 - Deployed xenial-mitaka cloud and can now reproduce | 16:13 |
| chiluk | LP#1655225 - Have a fix that seems to have resolved it. Need to check debdiff, and then ready for upload/SRU | 16:13 |
| chiluk | LP#1650067 - Having to create an original patch in order to resolve as attempts to backport patches has grown to too much change 600-700 lines. I have hope an original patch should be much smaller. | 16:13 |
| chiluk | --done-- | 16:13 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: your turn | 16:13 |
| slangasek | * short week, bank holiday Monday + sprint travel swap Tuesday | 16:13 |
| slangasek | * clearing downed branches from driveway and yard due to ice storm | 16:13 |
| slangasek | * improve kernel SRU processing: lp:~vorlon/ubuntu-archive-tools/kernel-sru-review/ now tries to auto-accept UEFI binaries for us | 16:13 |
| slangasek | * SRUs | 16:13 |
| chiluk | ubotto no love? | 16:13 |
| slangasek | * ppc64el SRUs for 16.04.2 | 16:13 |
| slangasek | * unpicking nvme regression between kernel and systemd | 16:13 |
| slangasek | * ubuntu-core candidate image builds with snapd 2.21 | 16:13 |
| slangasek | (done) | 16:13 |
| tdaitx | = Back from vacations since Monday | 16:14 |
| tdaitx | = OpenJDK Updates | 16:14 |
| tdaitx | * OpenJDK 8 | 16:14 |
| tdaitx | - Patches available on last Saturday | 16:14 |
| tdaitx | - Applied to current OpenJDK 8 package | 16:14 |
| tdaitx | - Updated package to 8u121 as it was released earlier | 16:14 |
| tdaitx | - Currently under test and looking for regressions | 16:14 |
| tdaitx | * OpenJDK 7 | 16:14 |
| tdaitx | - started backports | 16:14 |
| tdaitx | (done) | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | worked with webops to requeue some old core files | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | reported daisy bug LP: #1655145 re interrupted core file reception | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | testing --graceful-timeout in canonistack (it works from the charm) | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | modified daisy app charm to utilize --graceful-timeout for gunicorn | 16:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1655145 in Daisy "interrupted core file reception results in lack of resubmission" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1655145 | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | submitted gunicron charm MP for graceful-timeout support | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | sumitted RT 98894 regarding updating staging daisy app charm | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | investigation into / fixing of retracer swift 404 issues | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | worked on modifications to apport-retrace to use a gdb sandbox LP: #1517257 | 16:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1517257 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport-retrace should install and use gdb for target release" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517257 | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | research into / testing of unattended-upgrades bug LP: #1654070 | 16:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1654070 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu) "sanity check can fail for packages missing dependencies" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1654070 | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | wrote a bug pattern for ros upgrade failure bug LP: #1611737 | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | worked with juliank re SRU verification of LP: #1651923 | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | modified / tested Kees's gdb patch based off upstream feedback | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | some SRU reviews with sil2100 | 16:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1611737 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Can't upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 if ros-indigo-desktop-full or ros-indigo-perception installed from ROS servers" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1611737 | 16:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1651923 in apt (Ubuntu Yakkety) "apt https method decodes redirect locations and sends them to the destination undecoded." [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1651923 | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | ✔ done | 16:15 |
| bdmurray | robru: you are up | 16:15 |
| bdmurray | cyphermox: ? | 16:16 |
| cyphermox | yeah | 16:16 |
| xnox | horum, never heard of ros-indigo-desktop...... | 16:16 |
| cyphermox | xenial: | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | - SRU grub2 PowerNV petitboot menu fix (bug LP: #1447500) | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | - debugging os-prober SRU output w/ slashd (bug LP: #1579609) | 16:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1447500 in grub2-signed (Ubuntu Xenial) "Ubuntu creates cluttered Petitboot menu entries" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1447500 | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | - grub-installer NVMe PReP support SRU (bug LP: #1656048) | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | - juju 2.0.2 SRU (bug LP: #1648894) | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | yakkety: | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | - juju 2.0.2 SRU (bug LP: #1648894) | 16:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1579609 in os-prober (Ubuntu Xenial) "os-prober bug resulting in possible FS corruption" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1579609 | 16:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1656048 in grub-installer (Ubuntu Xenial) "grub-installer might not install to the PReP partition of NVMe disks" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1656048 | 16:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1648894 in juju-core (Ubuntu Yakkety) "[SRU] Juju 2.0.2" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1648894 | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | zesty: | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | - HTX (htxubuntu) DASD exercisers fail (bug LP: #1648561) | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | - Juju 2.0.2 upload to zesty (bug LP: #1648894) | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | - cluttered Petitboot menu fix in grub2 (bug LP: #1447500) | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | - (disabling os-prober for PowerNV) | 16:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1648561 in os-prober (Ubuntu Xenial) "HTX (htxubuntu) DASD exercisers fail" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1648561 | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | - debugging ubiquity-only startup | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | - grub-installer support for PReP backing partition on NVMe (bug LP: #1656048) | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | - netplan bonding support | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | - netplan bonding unit/intregration tests | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | - reviewing ubuntu-budgie slideshow changes | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | - ubiquity-dm panel HiDPI fixes | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | ±other stuff: | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | - netplan bonding+bridging planning | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | (done) | 16:17 |
| doko | tdaitx: 8u121 for arm64 too? didn't see that yet | 16:17 |
| sil2100 | (one week status, forgot what was going on last week already) | 16:18 |
| sil2100 | - Landing team work, silo coordination | 16:18 |
| sil2100 | - Participating in some SRU reviews | 16:18 |
| sil2100 | - walinuxagent 2.2.2: | 16:18 |
| sil2100 | * Preparing the packaging, building test debs in PPA | 16:18 |
| sil2100 | * Setting up an Azure account, fighting with the setup | 16:18 |
| sil2100 | * Testing the packages on Azure VMs (basic tests) | 16:18 |
| sil2100 | * Pushing packages to zesty, yakkety, xenial and trusty, poking for approval to -proposed | 16:18 |
| sil2100 | * Looking into properly handling conffile defaults changes | 16:18 |
| sil2100 | - Writing up steps needed to be done when adding new flavors on a wiki | 16:18 |
| tdaitx | doko, using 8u112 with the hotspot security patches for that, just waiting to compare build results and see if it is sane | 16:18 |
| sil2100 | - Finalizing and enabling ubuntu-personal auto daily-builds on canonistack | 16:18 |
| sil2100 | - Discussion regarding ubuntu-core image builds | 16:18 |
| sil2100 | - Looking into getting the dbus bugfix release migrated to xenial-updates | 16:18 |
| slangasek | cyphermox: petitboot menu fix ♥ | 16:19 |
| sil2100 | - Updating packageset for xubuntu | 16:19 |
| sil2100 | (done) | 16:19 |
| cyphermox | slangasek: it should help making that not suck. | 16:19 |
| slangasek | alrighty | 16:19 |
| cyphermox | barry: did you have fun with systemd/network-manager? I kind of expected having to deal with that :) | 16:19 |
| barry | cyphermox: oh, lots :( | 16:19 |
| barry | cyphermox: let's talk after the meeting | 16:20 |
| cyphermox | sure. | 16:20 |
| slangasek | cyphermox: AIUI you still can deal with it, since systemd is blocking things? | 16:20 |
| cyphermox | slangasek: yes, just need to catch up on what has been done so far. | 16:20 |
| slangasek | ok | 16:20 |
| slangasek | anything on status? | 16:20 |
| cyphermox | I do need some SRU reviews. | 16:21 |
| slangasek | cyphermox: which release / anything that warrants queue jumping? | 16:22 |
| cyphermox | some things that would be good to have for 16.04; grub2 and grub-installer on ppc64el | 16:22 |
| * xnox would want netcfg sru review | 16:22 | |
| cyphermox | not that it warrants queue jumping though. | 16:22 |
| xnox | (it is small if one filterdiff -x */po/* spew from debconf-update) | 16:23 |
| bdmurray | the queue is rather long... | 16:23 |
| cyphermox | and the equivalent SRUs for yakkety. | 16:23 |
| slangasek | cyphermox: I don't see grub2 in queue for xenial | 16:23 |
| cyphermox | there's also juju-core. | 16:23 |
| cyphermox | grub2 in xenial was already moved to proposed. | 16:23 |
| xnox | maybe i should spend time verifying things in there, cause there is a lot of committed things, but not validated =/ | 16:23 |
| slangasek | cool; I can commit a big block of time to reviews tomorrow | 16:23 |
| slangasek | fwiw I've done some sru releases this morning prompted by maas needing released, looks like we've had a backlog of things needing released? | 16:24 |
| slangasek | xnox: yes, that too | 16:24 |
| sil2100 | I can also continue working on SRUs tomorrow, but still there will have to be someone to double-check them for me | 16:24 |
| sil2100 | So not much help from me yet | 16:24 |
| slangasek | sil2100: your mentor hasn't given you the green light yet to do them on your own? | 16:24 |
| xnox | yeah, things that got released today were all dandy =) | 16:24 |
| cyphermox | I'll have a good look at pending-sru to see if there are things I can review that slipped through the cracks | 16:24 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] SRUs | 16:25 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: SRUs | ||
| slangasek | ohey topic | 16:25 |
| cyphermox | wee | 16:25 |
| sil2100 | I didn't do that many of them, some were reviewed by Robie | 16:25 |
| sil2100 | Since I overlap with him more than bdmurray usually | 16:25 |
| bdmurray | He hasn't looked at releasing verified stuff either afaik. | 16:25 |
| sil2100 | No, that not yet, just doing UNAPPROVED reviews so far | 16:25 |
| slangasek | sil2100: ok. you asked me earlier about whether you should be set loose, and I said your mentor should comment; has rbasak given an indicator of what's left to do? | 16:26 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: I think there were / are a fair number of autopkgtest failures with the SRUs | 16:26 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: yeah, I just marked nplan bad-test in yakkety for example | 16:26 |
| slangasek | ATM the only way those autopkgtest failures get resolved is if the sru team drives them, so... | 16:27 |
| bdmurray | that's sad | 16:27 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: well, nothing flags the autopkgtest failures on the bug and nobody but the sru team looks at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html | 16:28 |
| slangasek | so maybe we need automation to post to the sru bugs when there are autopkgtest failures? | 16:28 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: from sru-report or the autopkgtest infrastructure? | 16:29 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: sru-report is probably saner | 16:29 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: do you want to follow up on this? | 16:30 |
| bdmurray | I'll have a think about it (the bug) | 16:31 |
| sil2100 | slangasek: let me poke Robie to see if he was happy with my SRU reviews so far | 16:31 |
| slangasek | [ACTION] bdmurray to think about exposing autopkgtest failures on SRU bugs | 16:31 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bdmurray to think about exposing autopkgtest failures on SRU bugs | 16:31 |
| slangasek | sil2100: ok, cool | 16:31 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] AOB | 16:31 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB | ||
| slangasek | anything else? | 16:31 |
| sil2100 | bdmurray: you think if Robie gives me a +1 I could at least do the UNAPPROVED ones by myself? :) | 16:31 |
| slangasek | doko, gaughen: fwiw we need to talk about rustc... the security team tells me it's becoming a hard build-dependency for new upstream versions of firefox | 16:32 |
| bdmurray | sil2100: Have not approved anything? If so why? | 16:32 |
| sil2100 | bdmurray: I would then poke you or him for the verified ones if I start going though them | 16:32 |
| gaughen | ack | 16:32 |
| sil2100 | bdmurray: I was approving, but only after you or Robie double-checked them | 16:32 |
| bdmurray | sil2100: So you haven't REJECTED anything? | 16:32 |
| cyphermox | my AOB: if someone pings me for something and I don't respond, ping harder, I may be in the zone working on the bond and bridge support for netplan. | 16:32 |
| doko | slangasek: yes, I expected something like this ... that's why I updated it. only problem ... doesn't yet exist for armhf. maybe it will with the next release | 16:33 |
| cyphermox | (ie. telegram beeps on my phone) | 16:33 |
| sil2100 | bdmurray: not yet actually, not besides the ones that were superseeded (like the ubuntu-image ones) | 16:33 |
| slangasek | doko: right. but I guess we need to SRU this all the way back to trusty as well | 16:33 |
| doko | slangasek: the good thing is that we already have the regular llvm updates ... | 16:33 |
| bdmurray | sil2100: I think its important to have an understanding of what types of things cause a reject. | 16:34 |
| doko | ahh, not yet 3.9 ... so we to convince the mesa maintainers =) | 16:34 |
| xnox | do we support firefox/armhf on trusty?! | 16:34 |
| sil2100 | bdmurray: agreed | 16:34 |
| slangasek | xnox: we don't have *any* rustc package in trusty | 16:35 |
| slangasek | xnox: and in xenial, we only have it on amd64 + i386 | 16:35 |
| sil2100 | bdmurray: yeah, didn't have any packages that would warrant a reject - ubuntu-image had issues that I found and pointed out and reuploaded, but that was just it | 16:35 |
| bdmurray | sil2100: I guess when I look at the queue today and find things to reject I could send them your way, but then you'd know to look real carefully! | 16:35 |
| slangasek | so it's a bit of a mess, given that the firefox package does exist on other archs in previous LTSes | 16:35 |
| xnox | as in i thought trusty should be red herring as there is no armhf desktop platform with X stack that can run firefox. | 16:35 |
| xnox | (w.r.t. lack of armhf in rustc) | 16:36 |
| xnox | =? | 16:36 |
| xnox | =/ | 16:36 |
| slangasek | well, as I said, armhf is not specifically the issue | 16:36 |
| slangasek | ok... anything else? | 16:37 |
| slangasek | #endmeeting | 16:39 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Jan 19 16:39:08 2017 UTC. | 16:39 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-01-19-16.03.moin.txt | 16:39 |
| slangasek | thanks, all | 16:39 |
| caribou | thanks! | 16:39 |
| barry | thanks! | 16:39 |
| sil2100 | bdmurray: would be grateful! No worries, I'll poke more experienced players when only I see something fishy | 16:46 |
| === ratliff_ is now known as ratliff | ||
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