[09:52] <wyoung> elky: I agree, Everytime I come in here I get ignored
[09:52] <wyoung> then 5 hours later I get kicked when you bother to answer me
[09:52] <wyoung> and except an answer within a mnute
[09:52] <wyoung> minute*
[09:52] <wyoung> expect*
[09:52] <wyoung> elky: and now you are ignoring me again, FFS
[09:53] <wyoung> see what I did there? I had the expectation that you would reply straight away
[09:53] <wyoung> I was you then
[09:54] <wyoung> When you wake up and read this the reason I am in here is to request my ban to be dropped from #ubuntu, that is all
[09:54] <wyoung> elky: and speaking of lurking you are doing that now, why are you still in here/.
[09:54] <wyoung> ?
[09:55] <wyoung> why are there different rules for ops? what makes you special elky?
[09:56] <wyoung> Respect people and they will respect you.  When you start doing power plays it isn't conducive to anything other than an argument.
[10:01] <wyoung> also, how does #ubuntu decide who gets ops? is there a voting process? some sort of commity?  how are complaints handled?
[10:03] <ikonia> hello wyoung
[10:04] <ikonia> it looks like there wasn't a huge ammount of people active at their desk when you where free
[10:04] <ikonia> hopefully as you spoke 90 seconds ago, you're still active, what's up ?
[10:05] <ikonia> reading up, I assume it's your ban in #ubuntu ?
[10:10] <ikonia> wyoung: give me a nudge when you're active again
[10:31] <ikonia> wyoung: around ?
[12:45] <ikonia> wyoung: free now ?
[14:07] <ikonia> wyoung: now ?
[18:28] <k1l_> FrNcS_Rf: is there something the ops team can help you with? else please dont idle in here.thanks
[19:38] <elky> wyoung: we don't ignore you, we aren't around. however when you join or talk and and within a minute or two don't respond to us, as you have done so to ikonia now and many of us in the past, it becomes ridiculous. What's even more ridiculous is how we don't have this problem with anyone but you. What is beyond ridiculous is the vindictive attitude you're continuing to display here.
[19:44] <elky> You have a history of being disruptive, you have a history of being insulting and wasting time here. Come back when you intend to be constructive, and not hold that constructiveness hostage for petty nonsense such as us clearing idlers from the channel as we indicate we will in the topic.
[19:52] <elky> FrNcS_Rf: hello.
[19:53] <elky> FrNcS_Rf: i know you're there, you just joined. with irccloud, so i know it was manual.
[20:00] <dax> boop (wasn't me this time)
[21:29] <wyoung> elky: Are you awake?
[21:32] <Menzador> Hello wyoung
[21:33] <elky> wyoung: i am awake
[21:35] <elky> wyoung: once again it appears you joined, spoke and then immediately walked off.
[21:43] <wyoung> I am here
[21:44] <wyoung> elky: just checking my emails, apparantly there's a pill for everything.
[21:44] <wyoung> time to adjust my spam settings again.
[21:44] <wyoung> elky: I originally came on here to request being unbanned from #ubuntu however it lead into me being pissed off by the ops again :\
[21:46] <elky> you do seem to have a problem with attitude yes. i don't particularly want the attitude in channels that rely on constructive and non-hostile responses from participants.
[21:46] <wyoung> and because the ops are accountable to no one I am not liking my chances on being unbanned, but i have hope.
[21:46] <wyoung> I don't have an issue with users, mostly ops
[21:46] <elky> the ops are accountable to the irc council as has been explained to you numerous times in the past
[21:47] <wyoung> so there is a voting process to become an op? or is it arbitrary?
[21:47] <elky> you would also know this from reading the guidelines that are liberally posted in channel topics and entrymessages
[21:47] <wyoung> right
[21:47] <elky> people can nominate themselves and the irc council chooses ones who they believe have a good temperament in channel history
[21:48] <wyoung> so your answer is RTFM?
[21:48] <wyoung> Man, if I tried to pull that one in the channel
[21:49] <elky> and here's that non-constructive and accusatory attitude where you try score points for no discernable purpose other than to be vindictive
[21:49] <elky> my answer is that you told us you already read the guideliens and thus know better.
[21:50] <wyoung> yes
[21:51] <wyoung> and no
[21:51] <Menzador> wyoung: If you're looking for a concise answer, the guidelines (and the CoC, by inclusion) value considerateness, respect, and responsibility, and from my own review, I would see no reason not to concur with elky's assessment of your behaviour, as audited independently through not only a backlog search but my own interactions with you in #u.
[21:51] <wyoung> right
[21:53] <wyoung> Menzador: yes, what I have an issue with is the ops seem to have a different set of guidelines
[21:53] <elky> your ban won't be lifted at this time as your vindictiveness in this channel the past few days indicates that your attitude and thus behaviour have not changed appreciably.
[21:54] <wyoung> elky: I have no issue with the channel, it is the ops I have a problem with
[21:54] <elky> wyoung: people with different job titles, throughout life, not just on irc, have different privileges and responsibilities. being an irc op is one of those job titles.
[21:55] <dax> i spilled my soda on the floor for lols. i have no issue with the building, it's the janitor who's unhappy i make mess for no reason I have a problem with
[21:55] <wyoung> elky: yes and the history of abuse of power in higher positions also exists there
[21:55] <elky> thus unless you are an irc op for the ubuntu namespace you don't have the privilege AND responsibility of sitting in here to address and be addressed by misbehaving users.
[21:56] <wyoung> elky: :\
[21:56] <wyoung> "misbehaving" because I don't like ops?
[21:56] <dax> misbehaving because you misbehave
[21:56] <valorie> being here is a privilege?
[21:56] <valorie> huh
[21:56] <wyoung> valorie: apparantly
[21:56] <wyoung> valorie: do you have a ring I should kiss or something?
[21:57] <wyoung> to show my respect
[21:57] <valorie> ...
[21:57] <elky> we don't actually enjoy sitting in here, volunteering our time (often to the detriment of other responsibilities) to keep the channels _usable_ by well meaning people only to have the responsibility to listen to you be vindictive at us for being 'allowed' to stay here
[21:57] <wyoung> valorie: sorry, that was more directed at elky
[21:57] <wyoung> elky: I see
[21:58] <elky> we keep this channel vacant of non-ops so that when people like yourself are here you don't have to compete against other people who are here to inflame the situation
[21:58] <valorie> this channel is a tool we use to better serve our channel folks
[21:59] <wyoung> I also voluneteer my time to assist people in Ubuntu (I also ask questions too)
[21:59] <elky> wyoung: you did help people yes, but you also were very rude to people and being mean to people is something that outweighs the good you do.
[22:00] <wyoung> To be told by an op that my advice is useless or I am being opionionated leads me to being "vindicitive" against said op
[22:00] <elky> helping does not give any of our channel users the right to be rude
[22:00] <wyoung> elky: except for ops of course
[22:01] <elky> the ops also get scolded for being rude
[22:01] <wyoung> There is definitly a double standard, a seperate set of guidelines that apply to ops only
[22:01] <Pici> Yes. Ops are held at a higher standard than users are.
[22:01] <wyoung> Pici: then why is elky still an op ?
[22:02] <wyoung> or ikonia ?
[22:02] <elky> telling you why you are banned isn't rudeness
[22:03] <elky> banning you is also not rudeness
[22:03] <wyoung> elky: banning me for a non-reason or a petty one at that is, I feel offended by that
[22:04] <elky> that is your prerogative just as it is ours to keep you away from the channel.
[22:05] <elky> there is nothing left to discuss today wyoung. your ban is not going to be lifted. your presence here is no longer necessary.