[06:07] <paddatrapper> morning everyone
[06:18] <nsnzero> morning guys
[06:18] <paddatrapper> hey nsnzero 
[06:22] <nsnzero> how you doing paddatrapper ?
[06:31] <paddatrapper> nsnzero: I'm good thanks, you?
[06:49] <nsnzero> busy busy at work - having a problem with my virtualbox installation -reinstalling
[06:50] <theblazehen> Morning all
[06:52] <theblazehen> nsnzero reinstalling with something better?
[06:55] <nsnzero> morning theblazehen - what do you suggest - i have a VM in virtual box already - so i will need to transfer it 
[06:58] <theblazehen> nsnzero qemu+kvm
[07:00] <nsnzero> i just going to clone my virtual hdd - then try that - thanks 
[07:09] <theblazehen> cool
[07:12] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: the only issue I run into with qemu is mouse integration never seems to work properly
[07:16] <theblazehen> paddatrapper tried different frontends? virt-viewer (not manager) works quite well iirc
[07:29] <MaNL> if you use spice and install the correct spice drivers on the guest it should work fine
[07:32] <theblazehen> MaNI yeah. /me used spice for thin client thing for a while, but couldn't find a client that handled 4x monitors well. Eventually went with vnc. Performance was great. Perhaps 1/8th of vnc. Had to use a vnc client where I could set compression level to 0 (slightly more than raw, but little compression) to achieve decent speeds. Was doing 950 mbit/s for a 2560x1440 video at around 20 - 30 fps
[07:33] <MaNI> for VNC tigerVNC seems to perform a bit better than the rest
[07:35] <MaNI> specifically talking about virt-manager though, mouse integration etc. works fine (if you configure the machine to use spice)
[07:35] <theblazehen> MaNI yeah, IIRC tiger for the server, tight for the client
[07:36] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:36] <theblazehen> Right. I normally just used vnc. Slightly faster over higher latency connection
[07:36] <theblazehen> hi inetpro
[07:46] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: didn't spend much time troubleshooting (just went back to virtualbox), but with virtualbox dropping from stretch and the controversy around it I may try again soon
[07:47] <theblazehen> paddatrapper cool. Windows or linux VMs? Long lived or just testing? If it's long lived I'd recommend X forwarding or RDP, short lived, look at vagrant / docker (different use cases, see which fits better)
[07:50] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: shortlived, testing new isos as we release them of a debian spinoff for a local mathematical institute. I tend to prefer LXC for long running stuff
[07:51] <theblazehen> paddatrapper cool. lxd for long running stuff here. Can you automate the testing?
[07:51] <paddatrapper> I'm currently working on the installer, so switching between the VM and host easily is crucial
[07:52] <theblazehen> Ah. spice won't help with the install environment then
[07:52] <paddatrapper> Not really - it's stuff like seeing how the installer looks in the live environment, if it crashes when installing this, what happens when I don't do that
[07:52] <theblazehen> Right
[07:53] <paddatrapper> Some could probably be automated, but manually testing doesn't take much time
[10:02] <Kilos> cremora
[10:17] <thatgraemeguy> hallo Oom
[10:52] <andrewlsd> Hello theblazehen Kilos- thatgraemeguy paddatrapper and inetpro
[10:53] <theblazehen> hi andrewlsd , Kilos- , thatgraemeguy 
[10:55] <andrewlsd> \o
[10:56] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: do you have a pastebin type thing where I can post a picture?
[10:57] <theblazehen> andrewlsd not anymore
[10:57] <theblazehen> But gonna build something
[10:58] <andrewlsd> theblazehen and paddatrapper: nice LXD/virtualization discussion earlier
[10:58] <theblazehen> Basically linx.li (what I had before) + webtorrent for larger files + http://termbin.com/ but with automatic file type detection for previews if you visit it in web browser. If you visit page in browser it will do prview etc, but if you wget / curl it then return the raw binary
[10:59] <andrewlsd> perhaps an automation toolset like "screwdriver" from Yahoo or Jenkins might work.
[10:59] <andrewlsd> +1 theblazehen linx.li
[11:00] <theblazehen> Or I might just write my own fully
[11:00] <theblazehen> No need to tie in linx.li and termbin etc, just have it all handled by one program
[11:00] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: I need better upload speed: https://linx.li/neapp9ur.png
[11:01] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: running a single statically linked `go` binary?
[11:01] <andrewlsd> :-P
[11:02] <theblazehen> andrewlsd sure
[11:02] <theblazehen> Been meaning to learn golang, so why not now
[11:03] <andrewlsd> hehe
[11:03] <andrewlsd> `go` for it.
[11:03] <andrewlsd> hmm... www.golearn.com ?
[11:03] <andrewlsd> or readyset.go
[11:10] <nsnzero> if python and C had a baby it would be GO
[11:18] <paddatrapper> hey andrewlsd 
[11:19] <theblazehen> andrewlsd heh. And I think I'm more https://learnxinyminutes.com/ and then stumble around to get things done
[11:20] <paddatrapper> andrewlsd: I pretty much put everything I run now in LXC containers. It's nice compartmentalising things
[11:21] <andrewlsd> +1 paddatrapper
[11:21] <andrewlsd> lol theblazehen. me too.
[11:23] <theblazehen> paddatrapper /me had everything in lxd containers. Then bcache fucked me up. Now I have a smaller amount of everything in lxd containers
[11:23] <theblazehen> some docker inside lxd
[11:25] <andrewlsd> then theblazehen bought a hefty server :-)
[11:25] <theblazehen> andrewlsd actually I broke bcache on the new server
[11:25] <theblazehen> Rebuilding from scratch
[11:25] <andrewlsd> :-(  
[11:26] <theblazehen> Killed bcache the day before implementing backups :(
[11:26] <theblazehen> Lost config management and my gitlab server :(
[11:26] <andrewlsd> ... yes, that is how things usually go.
[11:52] <theblazehen> Speaking of which, I need to configure backups
[11:52] <theblazehen> Pity I can't bond  the internal nic + usb nic on laptop
[11:53] <theblazehen> Since internal nic goes to a vm, which then goes to laptop
[11:53] <theblazehen> andrewlsd you know how complicated that setup is :)
[12:03] <jerit_> middag mense
[12:10] <andrewlsd> hi jerit_
[12:10] <jerit_> how goes andrewlsd?
[12:13] <jerit_> brb
[12:22] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: lol. painful... All mine is through ansible and all data is outside the container, linked in. So I don't worry too much about if my containers decide to mess with me
[12:23] <theblazehen> paddatrapper Yeah. I changed bcache settings to make it faster, it broke the cache, and btrfsck wasn't good enough
[12:43] <andrewlsd> welcome drussell :-)
[18:22] <nsnzero> evening all