[02:04] <jbicha> xnox: oh I guess bug 1657909 was intentional, is that still wanted in zesty? in xenial? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/3.10.1-1ubuntu4.2
[08:30] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:31]  * Sweet5hark sees no willcooke yet
[08:32] <Sweet5hark> seb128: heya, Im calling in sick for today with an ear infection that knocked me out, could you forward that?
[08:47] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey, sure, get better!
[08:49] <Sweet5hark> seb128: thx. (also send a mail now). And with that: have fun guys, Im of for my bed again.
[08:49] <seb128> k
[09:02] <Laney> ayeyeye
[09:03] <willcooke> ahoy
[09:03] <Laney> sup
[09:03] <seb128> hey Laney willcooke
[09:03] <seb128> happy friday!
[09:03] <seb128> how are you guys?
[09:04] <seb128> willcooke, relaying msg from earlier, Bjoern is off sick (ear infection)
[09:04] <willcooke> c c c c col
[09:04] <willcooke> d
[09:04] <seb128> :-)
[09:04] <willcooke> seb128, thx.
[09:04] <willcooke> -3 this morning
[09:06] <seb128> real winter!
[09:07] <Laney> there was some frost this morning
[09:07] <Laney> and the sky is blue
[09:07] <Laney> much better
[09:08] <seb128> same here, I like it!
[09:13] <Laney> I hurt my neck at climbing last night though :(
[09:14] <Laney> must have landed weird when jumping off
[09:15] <davmor2> Laney: you are a walking accident aren't you?
[09:15] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:15] <flexiondotorg> Morning seb128 Laney willcooke davmor2
[09:16] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg, how are you?
[09:16] <willcooke> howdy flexiondotorg davmor2
[09:16] <seb128> Laney, :-(
[09:16] <davmor2> morning willcooke
[09:16] <seb128> Laney, enough to have your back or neck blocked today?
[09:17] <Laney> seb128: a bit, got some ibuprofen gel which helps
[09:18] <davmor2> Laney: do you sit to work or have one of those standing desk things
[09:22] <Blu2> Ever took in consideration to make the top bar transparent and only fill it only when in fullscreen mode in Unity 8?
[09:24] <seb128> Blu2, hey, you might want to ask on #ubuntu-unity but I don't think that was discussed no
[09:24] <seb128> dear launchpad, please stop timeouting
[09:25] <Blu2> ok thanks
[09:26] <Laney> davmor2: sitting
[09:28] <davmor2> Laney recline the seat slightly and sit back in it full, between the headrest and the lumbar support it should take most of the pressure off your back and neck and help with alignment
[09:29] <seb128> happyaron, hey, did you see the SRU team comment on bug #1652591?
[09:30] <happyaron> seb128: yes, I pushed the SRU of opencc this week
[09:30] <happyaron> seb128: it's bug 1657677
[09:30] <seb128> happyaron, oh right, I remember this one ... what about the xenial version? which one did you test?
[09:30] <happyaron> I tested xenial one
[09:31] <happyaron> the xenial version is correct, we didn't upgrade opencc in xenial
[09:31] <seb128> k, because you tagged -yakkety
[09:31] <seb128> see the comment from Brian
[09:31] <seb128> " I guess you tested xenial but I wonder why you marked this verification-done-yakkety. How exactly are you doing your testing?"
[09:31] <seb128> can you reply/comment on the bug?
[09:31] <happyaron> yep... I saw it. ok
[09:31] <seb128> thanks
[09:49] <happyaron> who should I ask to approve SRU uploads from queue?
[09:50] <seb128> happyaron, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sru/+members#active
[09:51] <happyaron> ok
[09:51] <seb128> happyaron, they are active nowadays but there is some backlog, I would wait a few days and then try to nag slangasek or timo or lukasz
[09:51] <seb128> or brian or robie :-)
[09:51] <seb128> I think they are the most actives
[09:51] <happyaron> I was unsure why nm was accepted in yakkety but not xenial
[09:53] <seb128> good question, you can ask whoever approved the yakkety version
[09:53] <seb128> which the launchpad comments asking to test the update should tell you who it was
[09:53] <happyaron> I see
[09:53] <happyaron> ty!
[09:57] <GunnarHj> Hi seb128! Hope all is well. Time for a couple of questions?
[09:59] <seb128> hey GunnarHj, I'm doing well thanks, how are you? @questions? sure! :-)
[09:59] <GunnarHj> seb128: I'm fine too, thanks. Here we go:
[09:59] <GunnarHj> 1. Can you please sponsor bug #1655782?
[09:59] <GunnarHj> 2. Also (somewhat related), can you please take a look at the image attached to the latest comment at bug #1009995. Thoughts on adding such a feature?
[09:59] <seb128> happyaron, yw, thanks for the work on those updates and well done, I'm looking forwarding seeing things in proposed so we can start testing them, should improve the experience for quite some users
[10:00] <happyaron> yep
[10:00] <happyaron> should solve quite some problems
[10:05]  * happyaron dinner time
[10:06] <seb128> happyaron, enjoy, and have a good w.e if you call it a week!
[10:07] <happyaron> thank you!
[10:29] <seb128> happyaron, on that fcitx SRU you probably want to re-tag it verification-done-xenial since you tested on that serie
[10:31] <GunnarHj> seb128: Did you miss my questions above, or did other stuff come between?
[10:32] <seb128> GunnarHj, oh sorry, I read it and started to look and got sidetracked
[10:32] <GunnarHj> seb128: ;)
[10:32] <seb128> GunnarHj, I can sponsor xkeyboard-config sure
[10:33] <GunnarHj> seb128: Great (that's the easy one).
[10:35] <seb128> GunnarHj, the other bugs I don't really understand the situations and what layouts are filtered out by default and why
[10:36] <GunnarHj> seb128: By default the layouts in evdev.xml are shown. There are some not so frequently used layouts in evdev.extras.xml too, and to make them accessible you currently need to set a gsettings value.
[10:37] <GunnarHj> seb128: I think this distinction is driven by the GNOME folks.
[10:38] <GunnarHj> seb128: So one idea is a GUI option along those lines. Another idea is to simply show all layouts always. (People reasonably use the search field anyway.)
[10:40] <seb128> do they have an UI in GNOME for it?
[10:41] <GunnarHj> seb128: Nope. And they don't plan to either. But other distros have (it's mentioned in the bug description.)
[10:41] <seb128> I would try to convince GNOME if you think it's important
[10:42] <seb128> if they don't agree we can think on maybe doing it as a distro specific way
[10:45] <GunnarHj> seb128: I'm pretty sure they won't do it. See for instance https://bugzilla.gnome.org/682240, comment #3.
[10:47] <seb128> GunnarHj, that was 5 years ago they went a bit back on some of their design and added more options I think, would be worth opening a new bug and making a case/giving example of some users it's useful for
[10:50] <GunnarHj> seb128: Well, maybe, but relatively few people are still affected. This reminds me of the integration between IBus and the keyboard layouts, when GNOME started to use some whitelist (or blacklist) to prevent some options from being shown. If I remember correctly, we didn't follow them then.
[10:50] <seb128> could be, we don't need to strictly follow them
[10:51] <seb128> especially on unity-control-center since that's our codebase/don't rebase on upstream so don't need to keep the diff low
[10:51] <seb128> but still we shouldn't add an UI if there is not a good reason for it
[10:51] <seb128> corner cases might be more for tweaks tools
[10:52] <seb128> I'm not sure to understand if we exclude some parts of the world there or just some people who like a specific config
[10:52] <seb128> the former would justify and UI the later is rather tweak tool material
[10:55] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hopefully we rather exclude some people who want a special config. The Elfdalian layout (which is part of the xkeyboard-config upload) is a minority language in Sweden with a few thousand speakers. That's what called my attention to it.
[10:56] <seb128> GunnarHj, k
[10:56] <GunnarHj> seb128: The size of evdev.xml is 207 kb and of evdev.extras.xml 26 kb, so showing everything by default, i.e. without a special UI, wouldn't make a huge difference.
[10:57] <seb128> can include that when trying to convince GNOME :-)
[11:02] <GunnarHj> seb128: I'm pretty sure they will say no. This is a rather fresh example of a move from evdev.xml to evdev.extrax.xml at a request by GNOME:
[11:02] <GunnarHj> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xkeyboard-config/commit/?id=913af7dafaab8ff4a9ae0d1e4c4097caf4a8022d
[11:04] <GunnarHj> seb128: So they don't care much about small minority user groups.
[11:11] <seb128> I see
[11:16] <desrt> morning!
[11:17] <seb128> hey desrt, early morning today?
[11:17] <desrt> yup.  already been up a while, in fact
[11:18] <seb128> shifting friday to have an extended w.e? ;-)
[11:18] <desrt> not by much.  probably will finish at 4 or 4:30 today
[11:19] <desrt> going to hamilton to visit my family with mascha and introduce them to mascha's mom
[11:21] <GunnarHj> seb128: Should I take it that the only change you can think of (unless GNOME would reconsider) is a new option in unity-tweak-tool? A one liner gsettings command is probably less inconvenient to get the layout you want than installing that tool.
[11:22] <seb128> nice
[11:23] <seb128> GunnarHj, I don't know, it's always tricky, as said I don't know how many users are impacted ... also your checkbox suggestion could be fine but I'm not a designer and I don't know if it would be best to have an option changing the current list or rather another dialog to list the extra ones
[11:23] <seb128> do you know what other platforms do?
[11:25] <GunnarHj> seb128: According to the Ubuntu bug KDE4 showed them all, and GNOME2 had an option. But I could investigate what they do today.
[11:26] <seb128> GunnarHj, what about windows/macOS?
[11:26] <seb128> android
[11:26] <GunnarHj> seb128: No idea. But they aren't using xkb, are they?
[11:26] <seb128> no but they must have keyboard layouts and similar concepts?
[11:27] <GunnarHj> seb128: True. Ok, I'll try to find out.
[11:27] <seb128> thanks!
[11:29] <GunnarHj> seb128: Thanks for listening! ( And don't forget that xkeyboard-config bug. ;) )
[11:29] <seb128> yw, and yeah don't worry :-)
[13:38] <desrt> internet is having a bad day here >:\
[13:40]  * ogra_ hands desrt a bag full of internet he has spare
[14:18] <qengho> desrt: Mouse-over the network indicator icon and scroll-wheel upward. Fixed!
[17:48] <willcooke> dinner time, so quittin' time.
[17:48] <willcooke> night all
[18:05] <dmj_s76> Would someone on the desktop team mind looking at: https://code.launchpad.net/~dmj726/humanity/hidpi-2x/+merge/315166
[19:10] <dmj_s76> andyrock: So I've found a fix for some more hidpi issues resulting from missing support in the icon theme.
[19:11] <dmj_s76> Trevinho: ^^
[19:12] <dmj_s76> Significant improvements on the desktop and Ubiquity by adding @2x support to Humanity.
[19:12] <dmj_s76> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/humanity-icon-theme/+bug/1657863
[19:12] <dmj_s76> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1622686