[09:15] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Cheese Lovers' Day! 😃  🌙
[09:41] <davmor2> JamesTait: got to be this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVKCHZqax84
[10:18] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:34] <bittin_> :)
[10:34] <bittin_> thank you guys :)
[10:34] <bittin_> also yay Friday!
[10:35] <bittin_> yeah linux.conf.au is uploading stuff to their youtube channel too last day tommorow
[13:53] <SuperMatt> what's new, hepacts?
[13:53] <foobarry> he what?
[13:53] <SuperMatt> *hepcats
[13:54] <SuperMatt> silly typing digits went arwy!
[13:54] <SuperMatt> *awry
[13:54] <foobarry> pebkacs?
[13:54] <SuperMatt> Yes, that is indeed the case
[13:54] <foobarry> debugging drupal and hating it
[13:55] <foobarry> its so buggy
[13:55] <SuperMatt> I never got on with Drupal
[13:56] <foobarry> not by choice
[13:56] <foobarry> had to migrate a site
[13:59] <diddledan> I love to hate Drupal.
[13:59] <diddledan> I am a WordPress guru instead
[14:08] <bittin_> diddledan: videos from Linux.conf.au is being uploaded too youtube aswell
[14:09] <diddledan> \o/
[14:09] <bittin_> o/
[14:09] <bittin_> funniest error at work this week a printer out of RAM Memory
[14:09] <bittin_> and did not wanted to print :D
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> i remember trying to order an 8k ram upgrade for a dot matrix printer in the 80s... nearly ir£300 iirc
[14:12] <bittin_> heh first time i ever see that happen in real life
[14:15] <awilkins> Circle of life
[14:16] <awilkins> They used to fix that by making your computer do all the work in RAM and stream the results to the printer (Winprinters)
[14:17] <bittin_> awilkins: hehe alright
[14:17] <awilkins> I blame these fancy new printers that can print graphics
[14:18] <zmoylan-pi> i also remember out of memory errors in early laser pre winprinters.  you'd have to fiddle with page margins to increase the white space surrounding the page to finally have enough ram
[14:18] <awilkins> Let's go back to the days when they were just a typewriter with a serial port
[14:18] <awilkins> And to change font you put a new golf ball in it
[14:19] <zmoylan-pi> gold ball?! rich sod... we had spindly daisy wheels and were super careful...
[14:19] <awilkins> Line printers *drool* people who could afford a WHOLE ROW OF DOTS
[14:19] <diddledan> I remember my dad's 9pin dot matrix printer paused half-way through the line on TEXT to get the remainder of the line into memory
[14:20] <awilkins> I was the flash git with a 24-pin dot matrix once
[14:20] <awilkins> Hi-res
[14:20] <diddledan> it went "brrrrrrt. blip, brrrrrrrt. doooooooooooh." (that last one is the carriage return)
[14:22] <diddledan> Paul Blart: Mall Cop is more popular than Donald Trumping: https://twitter.com/EliMatthewson/status/822254336189165569
[18:39] <knightwise> evenin all
[18:40] <daftykins> \o
[18:46] <knightwise> hey daftykins , how you doin
[18:47] <davmor2> diddledan: are you saying his printer is an modem from the 90's
[18:47] <davmor2> diddledan: or a spectrum loading screen from the 80's
[18:47] <daftykins> knightwise: not bad thanks! although i'm without a shower at home now due to ongoing insurance claim shenanigans :) https://www.dropbox.com/s/3x6kkk0mgl4knq4/IMG-20170119-WA0011.jpeg?dl=0 just researching sky Q at the moment, how's you?
[19:07] <knightwise> currently trying out volumio https://volumio.org/get-started
[19:07] <knightwise> ouch daftykins that is .. impractical
[19:08] <daftykins> heh indeed, i have a kind client about 5 mins walk away who's letting me use a spare bathroom though
[19:08] <daftykins> still, not exactly easy
[19:10] <knightwise> daftykins: thats kind !
[19:11] <daftykins> yip :> fancy facilities he has too
[19:11] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m3cww5m46x3lv5x/IMG_20170119_145026.jpg?dl=0
[19:11] <daftykins> the kittens helped me check it out
[19:15] <knightwise> Whow .. very impressed with this volumio app
[19:15] <daftykins> hmm pretty sure there's nothing audiophile about a Pi - although i know you can get additional DAC boards for them :)
[19:51] <zmoylan-pi> my first computer was a spectrum so the rasp pi's abilities are fantastic :-)
[19:51] <daftykins> not for audio
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> still better than the spectrumns
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> whose beep command froze the cpus clock...
[19:52] <daftykins> the past doesn't have any relevance to looking at a device's capabilities today
[19:54] <zmoylan-pi> the pi is what it is.  a market leader into minimal computing.  of course there are areas at which it is considered a failure and i'm sure there are other sbc's that do audio far better.  kinda like the original pc for whom sound was also a tacked on experience
[19:57] <zmoylan-pi> most people thought when the pi was launched that it wouldn't take off and sell many.  not that it would be hacked into every possible and impossible technical areana
[19:58] <daftykins> none of this disproves my earlier statement
[19:59] <zmoylan-pi> it's not disproving it, it's explaining why no one thought to put in a feature that no one in their right mind would want
[20:07] <daftykins> still a little too much like defending imo, which wasn't necessary for that very reason
[20:08] <daftykins> they're not too bad over HDMI audio :)
[20:10] <zmoylan-pi> i wouldn't know.  i don't have a screen with hdmi yet... :-)
[20:11] <zmoylan-pi> i did throw out 2 vga monitors so do finally have space should one fall of the back of a milk float...
[20:12] <daftykins> crikey
[20:13] <zmoylan-pi> i did keep the one with scart AND vga mind :-P
[20:14] <daftykins> i have to disable CEC on one of the music streaming pi3's i have up at a clients 'cause it keeps fighting with his AVR for control o0 very weird
[20:15] <daftykins> e.g. you have the Marantz AVR on 'sky' to show the sky box, press the button on the sky remote to turn the box on... Pi shows up
[20:16]  * zmoylan-pi hums... ♪ the pi came back the very next day... ♫
[21:39] <diplo> hi guys, anyone about ?
[21:40] <diplo> Got a linux issue, not ubuntu related but need serious help
[21:42] <daftykins> awaiting details
[21:43] <diplo> Sorry boss on phone as I started typing
[21:44] <diplo> He's panicking big time sorry
[21:45] <daftykins> haha
[21:45] <diplo> Right, he decided to update some of customer sites today centos
[21:45] <daftykins> best not be anywhere near the target machine then, nothing like nerves to screw things up further
[21:45] <diplo> had some issues but mainly resolved by a reboot
[21:45] <diplo> But one site ( uses lvm ) on reboot we're getting
[21:46] <diplo>  WARNING: duplicate PV Cqpgzm1cu120p1gaCC5L9dpZXzpSePEb is being used from both devices /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2
[21:46] <daftykins> ah i don't have any LVM experience, i avoid it like the plague
[21:46] <diplo> So basically when i run pvdisplay it only shows one device so one lv ( where all our customer data resides is empty )
[21:46] <diplo> So do I, but have more knowledge than the others
[21:46] <popey> isnt that just a warning?
[21:47] <diplo> I think metadata has been overwritten from what google tells me
[21:47] <diplo> Nope, no data in our partition, empty
[21:49] <popey> diplo: seen http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/181198/found-duplicate-pv ?
[21:49] <daftykins> is it a RAID1 setup or something?
[21:49] <diplo> Normally hardware raid5 and then create the lvm on top
[21:50] <diplo> Just having a  look popey
[21:51] <diplo> Yeah I read that one, this is most of the references I can find are reference to san/multipath - this is just sas disks, yum upgrade / reboot and the partitions got screwy
[21:51] <diplo> Guessing software update has broken something
[21:51] <popey> eh?
[21:51] <popey> it's a warning?
[21:52] <daftykins> doesn't strike me as a big deal.
[21:52] <popey> whats the actual error?
[21:52] <diplo> No data ( 50gb ) is not there
[21:52] <popey> ok, that's more like it :)
[21:53] <popey> fwiw there is an lvm irc channel :)
[21:53] <diplo> /dev/mapper/vg_name-lv_u1  101G  188M   96G   1% /u1
[21:53] <diplo> ooh, I'll try there thanks
[21:53] <popey> I note agk is in there, he's an expert, dunno if he is around, but he works for redhat and has maintained lvm for years
[21:53] <popey> also, he's a lovely chap :)
[21:53] <popey> good luck
[21:54] <daftykins> :D
[21:55] <daftykins> and have them know for future not to install OSs using technologies they don't understand *cough*
[21:56] <daftykins> or even research them so they do :>
[22:07] <zmoylan-pi> what is thing you call research? :-P
[22:08] <daftykins> ;)
[22:08] <daftykins> ouch at my folks being quoted £400 to replace their satellite dish, roof aerial and aerial splitter amplifier inside for £400
[22:09] <zmoylan-pi> why all at the same time?
[22:10] <daftykins> 'cause they're all faulty at the same time
[22:10] <zmoylan-pi> odd that roof aerial and satellite dish would go wonky at same time
[22:11] <daftykins> they haven't, they're just the types to grin and bear problems until they congregate :)
[22:11] <diplo> Cheers popey et all
[22:11] <zmoylan-pi> ah... the wait till closing time at friday to report serious problems they've had all week type...
[22:12] <daftykins> pretty much :) more like a many years running thing here though
[22:12] <daftykins> this one is a symptom of my old man putting in some satellite coax that was lying around instead of doing it properly
[22:12] <daftykins> still think this quote is rubbish though
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> i swear we had one customer not report a pc that was emitting smoke till the friday...
[22:13] <daftykins> perhaps that was during times of more lenient smoking laws ;)
[22:13] <zmoylan-pi> 'it wasn't much smoke...'
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> and it was fine when they left a window open...
[22:17] <daftykins> :D nooo not the magic smoke
[22:24] <daftykins> think i'm just gonna do some of this stuff myself, not much to it after all
[22:25] <daftykins> just the aerial on the roof i wouldn't do :)
[22:30] <zmoylan-pi> an array of drones floating an aerial above the house :-P
[23:01] <diplo> 3 other sites with problems to add to the issues I was already dealing with :) I'm not even the sys admin for work!
[23:02] <diplo> CentOS upgrades broke 5 sites out of 8 - oopsy
[23:02] <daftykins> diplo: what's wrong with the sites?
[23:02] <diplo> Different issue on each :/
[23:02] <daftykins> the gist? :>
[23:03] <diplo> One wasn't centos issue per se, for whatever reason resolv.conf reverted to an entry that wasn't pingable, cups wouldn't start, it sat there for 20 mins and still wouldn't boot.. booted to single usermode, disabled cups, rebooted and found it was because cups couldn't resolve the printers?
[23:05] <diplo> Another /bin/su is no longer there, so can't su ? - Another hasn't come back up ( could be a press F1 or a usb drive plugged in or something ) but these are on remote sites
[23:05] <diplo> I wasn't involved in any of this btw, I was just called to help :P
[23:05] <diplo> It all started when I complained that our customer sites weren't up to date, so all my fault on that point
[23:06] <daftykins> XD
[23:06] <daftykins> whoops
[23:06] <daftykins> bit concerned at more than one being done before being confirmed as ok...
[23:06] <daftykins> also it's not even yum anymore :)
[23:06] <diplo> hah I said that
[23:06] <diplo> I said I'd have done it out of hours and one at a time
[23:07] <daftykins> absolutely
[23:07] <diplo> Cent6 is yum
[23:07] <daftykins> and with backups
[23:07] <daftykins> ah right
[23:07] <diplo> Yeah, we don't work like that unfortunately, ,well he started to after the issue with the lvm site
[23:08] <diplo> Think it may be a broken raid, shouldn't be showing sda/sdb
[23:08] <diplo> Will have to go to site  Iguess
[23:09] <daftykins> hardware controller you said? how's it managed? my 3wares have a locally managing web admin to check status
[23:10] <diplo> It's not, I'm sure you're not getting how disorganised this company is :)
[23:10] <daftykins> wowzer
[23:10] <diplo> It's been setup and forgotten, pretty much how all our stuff is,
[23:11] <daftykins> i'm a one man band and i have mine emailing me weekly verification statuses on a Sunday night
[23:11] <diplo> Basically they get a server in, create a raid5/10 or watever install the OS in a predefined way, send it out with software on it and that's it
[23:11] <diplo> I want to monitor via nagios ( I already do diskspace )
[23:12] <diplo> But we don't need a full time sysadmin :)
[23:12] <zmoylan-pi> until emergencies when you need a full time sysadmin...
[23:14] <diplo> My exact point, all we do is fire fight, I hate it ( it's why I'm going to interviews )
[23:15] <daftykins> you could cement yourself into a really good position of them depending on you if you sorted it all out though
[23:18] <diplo> They do depend on me, anything like this happens I'm always the one gets a call/asked to help
[23:18] <diplo> I just can't stand working like it all the time, a bit of resources / help but no we don't need it
[23:18] <diplo> It's frustrating
[23:19] <diplo> It was fine for the first few years, but as customers have become more dependant on certain things now, everything has become more work, but the company won't keep up with it
[23:19] <daftykins> :(
[23:19] <diplo> They're not bad people
[23:20] <diplo> Just not right for me anymore
[23:20] <daftykins> mmm i can understand it'd probably seem much easier just to jump ship than try to fight the setup
[23:21] <diplo> I've been fighting for 6 years :)
[23:21] <diplo> I've got my way bit by bit, but I'm using my own hardware as servers for testing etc
[23:22] <diplo> Funny thing is, I'm employed as a web dev :P
[23:22] <zmoylan-pi> yeah when you start having to supply your own hardware for tests is a smidge unreal
[23:22] <daftykins> oh ouch
[23:22] <zmoylan-pi> rasp pis as far as the eye can see? :-P
[23:23] <daftykins> 'cause ARM would totally help the mess he has already
[23:23] <diplo> Optiplex, a dell t4 something, a old 4u server
[23:26] <diplo> Right with that done, I'm off to bed, good night all
[23:26] <diplo> Thanks for letting me moan :P
[23:26] <zmoylan-pi> in one drawer of his desk a bank of rasp pis working their little cpus to the limit... in the other drawer a z gauge model rail setup to relax during lunch time...
[23:26] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[23:38] <daftykins> wow it's 0 deg C down here in the isles
[23:42] <zmoylan-pi> a comparitively balmy 5c here... http://isitraining.in/Dublin
[23:45] <zmoylan-pi> though the ice cream van was missing when i was out shopping earlier...