[00:01] <munchkin> Help?
[00:02] <munchkin> Trying to get nvidia drivers, proprietary ones
[00:02] <reisio> help granted
[00:02] <reisio> munchkin: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[00:03] <munchkin> reisio: thanks. Unfortunately didn't work...
[00:03] <LanDi> how can I upgrade securely a 13.10 to 16.04?
[00:03] <munchkin> Tried that
[00:03] <reisio> munchkin: how so?
[00:04] <Bashing-om> !eol | LanDi
[00:05] <munchkin> reisio: Selecting it in "additional drivers". Tried purging, but it just froze up additional drivers. Twice
[00:06] <munchkin> Curiosity, why would one prefer nouveau drivers in the first place?
[00:06] <Righteou5> question for a beginner: im interested in starting the VPS service and i want each individual account to have its own dedicated or static IP address but I don't want to pay an arm and a leg for them. What's the best solution this is problem?
[00:06] <reisio> munchkin: well, you can always follow nvidia.com's instructions
[00:06] <Righteou5> join #php
[00:07] <sylar> tomreyn: thanks for your help :) On the learning curve..hopefully i get across it..
[00:09] <Righteou5> any takers?
[00:10] <Arcaire> Righteou5: This is my space, but I don't really understand your question.
[00:10] <Arcaire> I'd also imagine it's probably not suitable for #ubuntu, but I can't tell.
[00:12] <Righteou5> it is gray area i guess but i just need a general webhosting solution. I wannt to host virtual private servers and id like for each user to have their own assigned ip adddress. I'd be using ubuntu server in this process but my question is what is the most cost effective way to do this
[00:12] <munchkin> reisio: um....thanks?
[00:13] <Arcaire> Righteou5: If you want each virtual machine to have its own IP address you will need to purchase those IPs first, you can't really magic them up. The most 'cost-effective' way is to solely use IPv6 which is effectively free, but then you have to ensure that they're still viable without an IPv4 address.
[00:13] <Arcaire> For instance, there's almost no IPv6 connectivity in my entire country. So they would be useless for me. This isn't the case with America and most of Europe as far as I know.
[00:14] <rypervenche> Righteou5: You have to pay up front to get what you need to make money. You're not going to be able to have the service on spare parts and make money off of that. Unless it's a really crap service. But no dedicated IPs.
[00:14] <Arcaire> munchkin: Nouveau preference because it's free/free.
[00:15] <Righteou5> static IP is an option, im trying to find more cost effective ways of doing this
[00:15] <Arcaire> munchkin: It is unfortunately the case now, however, where if you have a system from within the last 2 or so years that nouveau is utterly insufficient (and if you have a laptop with a Nvidia card, it's almost mandatory you use the Nvidia driver).
[00:15] <munchkin> Arcaire: Just because it's free? Does it work best with older cards? I have had bad experiences with it, and am wondering if I'm in the minority
[00:16] <Righteou5> some ISP will charge $10 a static IP and im hoping i can find a way to sublease them
[00:16] <Arcaire> Righteou5: There's no more cost-effective way than purchasing / leasing the IP space.
[00:16] <rypervenche> Righteou5: You would use the server(s) that you have an either manage the services yourself or use programs to do it, but it doesn't sound as though you have the know-how for something that would be able to make money. And what Arcaire said.
[00:16] <Arcaire> munchkin: Free and "ethical" (or open-source, whatever - hence free/free). If your system is running, say, Intel Broadwell or newer, you'll have a bad time with Nouveau.
[00:17] <NEURODATA> .
[00:17] <NEURODATA> Best IRC client for ubuntu?
[00:17] <Arcaire> munchkin: My laptop is running a 970M and Intel Skylake, and nouveau renders the system useless. It hard-locks on boot. I have to use the Nvidia driver.
[00:17] <coffeeguy> weechat ;)
[00:17] <coffeeguy> or
[00:17] <Arcaire> NEURODATA: Hexchat is probably your best bet.
[00:17] <NEURODATA> Tried HexChat, and it sucked. Tried XChat-Gnome and it sucks more, any suggestions?
[00:18] <Righteou5> i do have the know how and i have an out of the box idea actually, i just not understand this portion of it. I haven't hosted anything on a large scale
[00:18] <coffeeguy> hexchat if you like gui :)
[00:18] <Arcaire> What's wrong with Hexchat? :x
[00:18] <NEURODATA> HexChat i didnt like
[00:18] <Arcaire> coffeeguy: Always one. ;)
[00:18] <rypervenche> NEURODATA: Hexchat for GUI, weechat for CLI. Those are the most-used ones.
[00:18] <coffeeguy> i really appreciate hexchat
[00:18] <Righteou5> what services would i have to manage in a VPS?
[00:18] <NEURODATA> i will try weechat thanks
[00:18] <coffeeguy> :)
[00:18] <rypervenche> Righteou5: Depends on what you're trying to sell.
[00:18] <Righteou5> other than providing the equipment,service and a usable Cpanel
[00:19] <Arcaire> Righteou5: I've done this before.
[00:19] <reisio> well, no irssi is more used than weechat :p
[00:19] <Righteou5> ok so you believe the only solution is to purchase static ips?
[00:19] <reisio> not that weechat users want you to know that
[00:19] <Righteou5> thank you for answering my questions guys
[00:19] <Arcaire> You effectively manage the host servers, the network, the control panel, the support system, and still end up half-managing all the virtual machines as well.
[00:19] <coffeeguy> reisio ;)
[00:19] <minimec> reisio: +1 ;) irssi is the way to go...
[00:19] <Americanu> Hello again
[00:19] <reisio> NEURODATA: but if you were specific about what you don't like about HexChat, you'd get a more useful response
[00:19] <reisio> hi amer
[00:19] <rypervenche> reisio: I doubt that's true, but agree to disagree. Both are great clients.
[00:19]  * Arcaire uses IRCCloud.
[00:19] <Arcaire> :x
[00:19] <Americanu> So its still having that error
[00:20] <Righteou5> i believe in the early stages i will be doing all of that
[00:20] <Americanu> With missing live thing
[00:20] <Righteou5> and its going to be fun juggling
[00:20] <NEURODATA> Didnt like HexChat because the GUI doesnt match dark theme on my gnome shell
[00:20] <munchkin> Any luck that someone could help me with Nvidia drivers extracted to a .run file that I can't run
[00:20] <rypervenche> NEURODATA: Then you won't like weechat, lol.
[00:20] <Arcaire> munchkin: Wait why are you using the .run file?
[00:20] <Arcaire> Hold your horses a second. Where are you getting that driver?
[00:21] <rypervenche> munchkin: Dooooon't use the .run files ><
[00:21] <Arcaire> lol
[00:21] <munchkin> Launchpad, from Ubuntu link that directed me
[00:21] <Righteou5> Arcaire" from your prospective is it mandatory in this market to assign static IP or would say subhosting up my domain be doable?
[00:22] <Arcaire> munchkin: Alright so there's a bit of an easier way with no .run file and you can use apt.
[00:22] <Arcaire> And probably it's the way everyone should be doing it.
[00:22] <Americanu> Anybody knows why its giving that missing live file dystem error at boot ,m
[00:22] <minimec> NEURODATA: If you want a chat GUI... There is a 'new kid in town'... http://quassel-irc.org/node/104
[00:22] <Americanu> Im using usb 3.0 , i did verify integrity
[00:22] <reisio> dunno, people seem to be attracted to weechat because it's "simpler", but at the same time they're developing it and making it less simple
[00:22] <reisio> I think there will be disappointment :p
[00:22] <adalbert> When using Gnupg, what is the difference between a file encrypted vs a file encrypted and signed?
[00:22] <munchkin> I'm more used to apt
[00:22] <Arcaire> Righteou5: Subhosting is done by things like Heroku, but it's a different target market. It's not for "systems", it's for apps.
[00:23] <Arcaire> munchkin: What graphics card do you have?
[00:23] <munchkin> Didn't work when I used it to try to install the drivers initially
[00:23] <munchkin> Arcaire: Nvidia GTX 980
[00:23] <Arcaire> Did you already add the apt repository?
[00:23] <Arcaire> The launchpad ppa, that is.
[00:23] <munchkin> honestly at this point, I'm close to giving up
[00:23] <Righteou5> Arcaire: thanks for clearing that up, i apoligize if my questions seem stupid im trying to piece this together as i go
[00:23] <munchkin> I did
[00:23] <Arcaire> munchkin: So after apt-get update, what'd you install?
[00:24] <Arcaire> Righteou5: All good!
[00:24] <minimec> munchkin: What exactly is your porblem? I have a gtx1060 here...
[00:24] <rypervenche> adalbert: You can verify from whom the file is coming.
[00:24] <Americanu> So....help?
[00:24] <munchkin> Nvidia-Current
[00:24] <Arcaire> Yeah there's your issue.
[00:24] <munchkin> Which actually doesn't show proprietary drivers
[00:25] <Arcaire> Don't ask me why, but that driver is ancient.
[00:25] <Arcaire> It's actually nvidia-304. The latest is nvidia-367.
[00:25] <Arcaire> I really need to work out the specifics of why that does that. It's dangerous. Even I fell for it a couple of days back.
[00:25] <Arcaire> `apt purge nvidia-current && apt install nvidia-367` /should/ install the correct driver for you.
[00:25] <Righteou5> Arcaire: do you think using a solution like no-ip is reliable enough? Their corperate headquarters is in town so it's a thought
[00:26] <Righteou5> Arcaire: extreme cost cutting as long as it doesnt hurt QoS...lol
[00:26] <Arcaire> Righteou5: It's down to what you're intending to offer. I need static IPs.
[00:26] <Arcaire> Nah that'd hurt qos monstrously.
[00:27] <Arcaire> It adds another link in the chain of things that might go wrong. You want that chain as short as possible.
[00:28] <Americanu> Guys
[00:29] <Arcaire> Americanu: You're not explaining your problem very well at all.
[00:29] <munchkin> Well....
[00:29] <Americanu> Well i am trying lol
[00:29] <munchkin> Now looking at a grub rescue prompt
[00:30] <minimec> munchkin: Do you get a black screen @boot and no GUI with your nvidia driver?
[00:30] <Americanu> So: i have a usb 3.0 stick and it has ubuntu 16.04 made with unetbootin. Every time i want to boot it up it says : initramfs unable to find a live medium containing live file system.
[00:31] <munchkin> So.... purging and installing Nvidia cards causes boot manager failure...
[00:31] <munchkin> minimec: Yup
[00:31] <minimec> munchkin: Ok. What is your state now. Did you purge the drivers, or are they still installed?
[00:32] <Arcaire> minimec: purged nvidia-current, installed nvidia-367
[00:33] <Righteou5> Arcaire: do you think 1mb up is good enough for 5 servers?
[00:33] <Ben64> 1mb up isn't good for anything
[00:33] <Arcaire> ^
[00:33] <munchkin> minimec:Yup, what Arcaire said
[00:33] <Righteou5> so fiber is the option
[00:33] <Righteou5> ok
[00:33] <Ben64> you don't need fiber to get >1mbit
[00:34] <minimec> munchkin: I have the same problem. With the current ubuntu nvidia driver my system cannot boot. Additionally I have full-disk-encryption, so I can't even put the password to decrypt the HD.
[00:34] <Righteou5> its not mibt
[00:34] <Righteou5> 1000mbps
[00:34] <munchkin> LOL
[00:34] <Ben64> 1mb != 1000mbps
[00:34] <charlin> 有没有会使用R软件的大神
[00:34] <Righteou5> yeah i thought you ment
[00:34] <minimec> munchkin: What I do right now is to boot recovery mode, enter my password and 'continue normal boot'. That works.
[00:34] <Righteou5> 1 mbps
[00:34] <Righteou5> lol
[00:34] <Arcaire> minimec munchkin: You're desktops and not laptops right?
[00:34] <Ben64> i did, because thats what you said
[00:35] <charlin> anybode know R app?
[00:35] <munchkin> Arcaire: Right
[00:35] <Righteou5> no i mean 1 mbps as in 1 K
[00:35] <minimec> Arcaire: In my case it's a desktop with a gtx1060
[00:35] <Righteou5> lol
[00:35] <Ben64> Righteou5: you don't make any sense
[00:35] <Americanu> Anybody knows how to fix my issue ? i have a usb 3.0 stick and it has ubuntu 16.04 made with unetbootin. Every time i want to boot it up it says : initramfs unable to find a live medium containing live file system.
[00:35] <Righteou5> ok ill move forward then
[00:35] <ubuntumate> .
[00:35] <Arcaire> Americanu: Use rufus, not unetbootin
[00:35] <Righteou5> if 1mb isnt enough how much should i have
[00:35] <Arcaire> Righteou5: 100mbit
[00:36] <Righteou5> and what other option beside fiber
[00:36] <Ben64> Righteou5: define 1mb
[00:36] <minimec> munchkin: Probalby you can use 'normal boot', if you delete 'quiet' from the linux default boot settings.
[00:36] <Americanu> I did use rufus aswell and it gives the same outcome Arcaire
[00:36] <minimec> munchkin: I did inot test that yet, because I don't want to reboot my system right now...
[00:36] <Righteou5> do you think renting a colo is a cost effective move for a shoestring budget
[00:36] <Arcaire> minimec: I don't know if it makes a difference with the nvidia driver installed but have you tried nomodeset before?
[00:37] <Arcaire> I had this issue with nouveau until I used nomodeset to install the nvidia driver, but I'm using a laptop w/ Optimus.
[00:37] <Ben64> Righteou5: do you have an ubuntu question?
[00:37] <Ben64> you may want ##networking or #ubuntu-offtopic or something
[00:37] <Righteou5> thanks Ben64
[00:37] <minimec> Arcaire: Yes. 'nomodeset' doesn't work.
[00:37] <Righteou5> this is my final question
[00:38] <Righteou5> and ill move on
[00:38] <munchkin> Past what are you guys normally do when you try to First install Nvidia
[00:38] <munchkin> I do a nomodeset
[00:38] <Righteou5> renting space in a server room, is that more cost effective do you think than paying for dedicated fiber?
[00:38] <Ben64> Righteou5: still not on topic
[00:38] <munchkin> However, installing them afterwards is....problematic
[00:38] <Arcaire> I mean, for my laptop I installed ubuntu, rebooted with nomodeset, then install the proprietary driver, then reboot.
[00:38] <Arcaire> Pretty sure Ben64 was the one who suggested nomodeset and saved me 4h actually, heh.
[00:39] <Ben64> i just got here a couple mins ago, wasn't me
[00:39] <Arcaire> Nah this was days ago.
[00:39] <Ben64> oh then maybe
[00:39] <Arcaire> Banging my head against a new laptop.
[00:39] <minimec> munchkin: If you get to the grub default screen, press 'e' once and remove quiet from the default boot line, then press 'F10', or 'ctrl+c'. Would be nice to whether that works. I will test it, when I reboot my machine next time during the weekend.
[00:39] <minimec> munchkin: +know ;)
[00:40] <munchkin> What about grub customization
[00:41] <minimec> munchkin: If it is working, you can then edit /etc/default/grub, remove the 'quiet', and do a 'sudo update-grub', right...
[00:42] <charlin> anybody use R?
[00:43] <Arcaire> The update-grub is what's needed iirc. This happens in a super weird edge-case where your grub doesn't update to the correct kernels.
[00:43] <Arcaire> I had it happen while installing the proprietary drivers while *also* having run apt-get upgrade before rebooting.
[00:43] <Arcaire> (the upgrade installed a new kernel)
[00:43] <Arcaire> #thanksnvidia
[00:45] <troy1> Hello transmission daemon does not seem to be utilizing the settings from /var/lib/transmission-daemon/info/settings.json does anyone know where it may be on ubuntu 16.10
[00:45] <Americanu> Ubuntu logo loads up several minutes, then stops loading with the same error : initramfs , cant find medium containing a live file. System
[00:45] <Arcaire> Americanu: find another usb
[00:46] <minimec> Arcaire: I agree that we are again in a 'nvidia fu.. you' situation, but I already love that card... Very fast and very quiet, paired with moderate power consumption...
[00:46] <Americanu> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/na5jytgF/irccloudcapture151508063.jpg
[00:46] <Arcaire> minimec: It's more just a situation with how they do their drivers. It's not ideal at all.
[00:46] <Americanu> I really only have 2 usb's 3.0 ....
[00:46] <Arcaire> minimec: For that reason, I'm buying an AMD card as soon as the new generation comes out.
[00:46] <Americanu> Both have the same issue
[00:48] <minimec> Arcaire: I wasa thinking about AMD, but following the linux benchmarks and features... I chose Nvidia...
[00:49] <Arcaire> minimec: Just hang around until the Polaris benchmarks come out. ;)
[00:49] <Arcaire> minimec: Then consider that the rumoured price means you can buy two for the price of one Nvidia card.
[00:49] <Arcaire> (rumoured price)
[00:49] <Arcaire> Also the AMD guys are actually working with the upstream Linux kernel devs, which is a nice change to see.
[00:50] <OerHeks> amdpro-binairy-blob
[00:51] <Arcaire> Apparently only for now, or something. I'm unsure of the exact specifics but it's looking to lean more towards them working directly and pushing code with/to the Linux kernel devs.
[00:53] <minimec> Arcaire: I followed the development of AMD, but I wanted a GPU now...
[00:54] <Arcaire> Same. I have Nvidia card(s) at the moment. Second half of 2017 is when those wings unfolds. It's just you end up with a lot of hard work and weird edge cases even in Ubuntu.
[00:55] <roothorick> AMD has been going through a learning experience lately. Their developers grew up in the proprietary world and don't really understand FOSS
[00:55] <nairwolf> hi, I'm trying to learn how to use telnet to sent mail
[00:55] <roothorick> something they're actively trying to fix, obviously, but there are teething issues
[00:55] <nairwolf> but I only have a gmail account, and it appears to be difficult with gmail because of authentification. Do you know where I could create an account with a simpler smtp server ?
[00:59] <minimec> nairwolf: I wouldn't use 'telnet' anymore. Use 'ssh' instead.
[00:59] <roothorick> I think he's trying to manually do SMTP which is really bizarre to me
[00:59] <Arcaire> minimec: You can't SSH to a SMTP server. :^)
[01:00] <rypervenche> nairwolf: I never have problems with gmail when I do it.
[01:01] <Loshki> nairwolf: install your own smtp server on a local machine
[01:01] <minimec> Arcaire: But you can ssh in to a machine and use a console email client to send your email... And that's what he wants to do if I ead him correctly.
[01:02] <nairwolf> minimec: what's the difference ?
[01:02] <rypervenche> minimec: SSH has nothing to do with what he said
[01:02] <rypervenche> nairwolf: What is your goal in doing this?
[01:02] <minimec> nairwolf: The key difference between Telnet and SSH is that SSH uses encryption, which means that all data transmitted over a network is secure from eavesdropping.
[01:03] <nairwolf> someone send me a challenge
[01:03] <nairwolf> write a python script to send a mail
[01:03] <nairwolf> but firstly, I need to use telnet
[01:03] <nairwolf> ok, for encryption, but it's not necessary in this case
[01:03] <nairwolf> But, that's okay, my school mail server doesn't cause any problem
[01:04] <wedgie> nairwolf: the biggest problem you're going to have is that gmail requires ssl. So you won't be able to do it with telnet. You can accomplish it using openssl though
[01:04] <Arcaire> Team I think we're suffering from a combination of the XY problem and bounding way, way too far down the rabbit hole.
[01:04] <nairwolf> I've found a big list : https://www.arclab.com/en/kb/email/list-of-smtp-and-pop3-servers-mailserver-list.html
[01:04] <nairwolf> yes, that's the problem with gmail ;)
[01:05] <Arcaire> nairwolf just wants a TLS-free SMTP server, lol.
[01:05] <Arcaire> To which I suggest installing postfix on your local system, and using that: "telnet localhost 25".
[01:05] <nairwolf> this is a solution for gmail : https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11046135/how-to-send-email-using-simple-smtp-commands-via-gmail
[01:05] <nairwolf> installing postfix isn't too much difficult ?
[01:05] <nairwolf> But thank you Arcaire, I've found a smtp server without tls ;)
[01:05] <Arcaire> `apt install postfix && systemctl start postfix` will result in a default setup, IIRC.
[01:06] <nairwolf> oh nice ;)
[01:06] <ayyboomey> Hey guys, I'm trying to change the memlock in Ubuntu but my computer seems to malfunction if I do so
[01:06] <roothorick> the <odd number>.04 releases tend to be the most, erm, "groundbreaking", don't they?
[01:06] <Arcaire> Then if you send a mail to "root@<your system name here>", you can check it worked by typing "sudo mail" or something of the sort to see your mailfuile.
[01:06] <Ben64> roothorick: no
[01:06] <lasersaber> hello, can someone help me connect to my lan desktop (linux) using remmina?
[01:06] <Arcaire> roothorick: Unity 8.
[01:06] <ayyboomey> * soft memlock 262144 * hard memlock 262144
[01:06] <nairwolf> okay, i'll try that, thankt you Arcaire
[01:06] <ayyboomey> trying to put that in limits.conf
[01:07] <Ben64> ayyboomey: why do you want to do that
[01:07] <ayyboomey> A monero miner program I use needs it
[01:07] <roothorick> Ben64: 13.04, 15.04, 17.04... these are the ones exactly between LTS. Is it the release right after the LTS that's the weird one?
[01:07] <ayyboomey> https://github.com/fireice-uk/xmr-stak-cpu/
[01:07] <ayyboomey> This program
[01:07] <Ben64> roothorick: there is no 'weird one'
[01:08] <ayyboomey> It needs large page support it seems
[01:08] <roothorick> Ben64: 17.04 is the first I've seen of the expansion of systemd into doing DNS caching/management and the introduction of libinput... I'd call that a big change
[01:08] <ayyboomey> But if I put that in limits.conf Unity doesn't work correctly.  It asks me if I wanna start up in "low graphics mode"
[01:08] <roothorick> but that may well have been 16.10
[01:08] <Arcaire> roothorick: I think that's more a side-effect of the release times of upstream than anything.
[01:09] <wedgie> roothorick: what he's trying to tell you is that if you think you've noticed a pattern like that, it is coincidental
[01:09] <roothorick> mm. Alright
[01:13] <roothorick> what's wrong with dnsmasq that systemd-resolved had to be, anyway?
[01:14] <Arcaire> One less thing to install on the system if it's built in, I guess.
[01:15] <roothorick> say what?
[01:19] <Snowie> hi all. So i have set myself the challenge of getting Secrety Maryo Chronicles snapped for 16.04. It's been a challenge so far, including building old version 5 of CEGUI(which including fixing some bugs in that code) and finding a bunch of old libraries. I am now at a point where ./configure is completing, so i feel like i'm really close, but i am having an issue with the boost libraries. I (think I) have
[01:19] <Snowie> installed an older version of boost which should support leaf(), but make for smc is still complaining about it. I did try to pastebinit the entire failed make, but it only outputs the last few lines of the failure, none of the details. how do i, 1) make sure it's using boost 1.3 or 2) set boost to use the deprecated value. Any help appreciated.
[01:21] <crbox> Looking to see if anyone is able to help with upgrading issues in 3.2.0-106-virtual #147-Ubuntu, with Apt-get -f install error. http://pastebin.com/cQLgcnZ3
[01:23] <roothorick> crbox: that system is either ancient or horribly hosed...
[01:24] <roothorick> well, I'm guessing 12.04?
[01:24] <roothorick> old, but still relevant
[01:25] <crbox> roothorick: any recommendations... ancient is right.
[01:25] <roothorick> dpkg --configure -a # do anything?
[01:25] <roothorick> I don't know if that skips dependency checks or not
[01:26] <crbox> similar errors..
[01:26] <p1xel> hi all!
[01:26] <crbox> http://pastebin.com/iLQczXfM
[01:27] <roothorick> something's wrong with procps
[01:27] <roothorick> find out why the service won't start
[01:27] <crbox> ok
[01:28] <minimec> crbox: I would start with 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales'
[01:28] <roothorick> oh, good catch
[01:28] <roothorick> I don't know if that'd break procps or not, so it's a good starting point
[01:34] <crbox> hmm  kernel: [15195396.729407] init: procps main process (117619) terminated with status 255
[01:39] <munchkin> Who remembers me asking about Nvidia drivers?
[01:40] <minimec> munchkin: I do... ;)
[01:40] <munchkin> lol
[01:40] <munchkin> I'm at the end of my rope.
[01:41] <minimec> munchkin: Did you try to boot through recovery mode?
[01:41] <munchkin> Just reinstalled the OS, and now I have 2 boot devices, one of them looks like it's frozen when I go into it, and the other doesn't boot
[01:42] <Speiros> What other game cards are there other than Nvidia which can be used on Ubuntu, as I'd personally like to boycott their products, as they are so opposed to the project.
[01:42] <munchkin> They are both literally labeled the same thing. This is after I installed Nvidia drivers after the OS installed
[01:42] <Ben64> Speiros: graphics cards?
[01:43] <Speiros> Ben64 Yeah.  I've not used them for much, but only for sound, and they are a pain for just that alone, let alone what seems to be for others.  I'd rather go to an outlet to purchase, and if they state "Nvidia", then I can inform them why I choose not to have that product, but I'd still want another product.
[01:43] <minimec> munchkin: What do you mean by 'boot device'? You should have something like 'advanced otpions for ubuntu' in the grub menu. In there you would find 3 entries for each available kernel. You should try 'recovery mode' (not the 'upstart' one)
[01:44] <Ben64> Speiros: honestly they work the best in linux still
[01:44] <tatertots> munchkin: hi there, do you want to debug? yes or no
[01:44] <munchkin> minimec: Nope. Just says Ubuntu, followed by p1 and the name of my SSD
[01:45] <munchkin> tatertots: How so?
[01:45] <Speiros> Ben64 How come they seem to have the most problems?  Why is it that there is no seeming mention of other cards?  When they are correctly installed, they may work, fair enough, although I don't know, but still, the drama to install them is driving people away, and all for a card, as though the card is the dominating factor in computers.
[01:46] <Ben64> Speiros: they don't have the most problems.
[01:46] <Speiros> Ben64 I haven't been on here for a long time, but most of the dramas with cards are Nvidia so far
[01:46] <minimec> munchkin: Do you get a grub men like this? http://pasteboard.co/oyETmgo2M.png
[01:46] <tatertots> munchkin: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[01:46] <Ben64> Speiros: nah
[01:47] <Speiros> Ben64 I'm on 14.4 purely because of the Nvidia card not working on 16.4.
[01:47] <pull_my_finger> bye
[01:47] <Speiros> I need it for music see.
[01:47] <Ben64> Speiros: is it ancient?
[01:47] <tatertots> munchkin: let me know once installation is completed
[01:47] <Speiros> 14.4, or you mean the computer? Ben64
[01:47] <Ben64> Speiros: it's 14.04 and 16.04, there is no 14.4 btw. and i mean the card
[01:48] <munchkin> minimec: I do not, no
[01:48] <Speiros> Ben64 I've no idea what age it is, as I'm unfamiliar with their products
[01:48] <Ben64> what model is it
[01:49] <Speiros> Ben64 I'll have to search for it...lemme see if I can find the link (I removed some features, and can't just look any more at my hardware, and am unfamiliar with terminal codes)
[01:49] <Ben64> lshw -c video
[01:49] <coffeeguy> i was unlucky in that i picked up the one amd card that wouldn't work the r9 270
[01:49] <Speiros> Ah, thanks:)
[01:50] <minimec> munchkin: ok. when booting the computer, right after the 'bios screen' press and hold the 'left shift key'. You should get a similar screen. There you choose 'Advanced options...', and then recovery mode, but not the 'upstart one', guessing that you run 16.04 and newer.
[01:50] <Speiros> Ben64 GT218
[01:50] <crbox> seems procps is missing and not installed, dpkg -l initscripts Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) but I cannot install it either, keeps tossing an error ..
[01:51] <tatertots> munchkin: can you open terminal?
[01:51] <crbox> sudo dpkg-reconfigure procps gives me /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: procps is broken or not fully installed
[01:51] <tatertots> munchkin: prevents us from having to ask you a million questions that would at best receive vague answers
[01:52] <Ben64> Speiros: pretty old
[01:53] <Speiros> Ben64 Fair enough, but the programs, likewise are old too.  I use Audacity, Timidity, OpenShot Video Editor, Tuxguitar and Hydrogen
[01:53] <housekeeping> if i connect to an smb share in thunar, is it accessible in term?
[01:53] <tatertots> munchkin: but if you insist on doing things the hard way...be my guest...take care...good luck
[01:53] <munchkin> ...
[01:53] <Ben64> Speiros: ok?
[01:53] <munchkin> I was.getting cereal
[01:53] <Speiros> Ben64 They work on 14.0.4, but not on 16.0.4
[01:53] <munchkin> And no, I can't get to a terminal
[01:53] <Ben64> Speiros: again, it's 14.04 and 16.04
[01:53] <Speiros> Ben64 Yeah, they work great.  That's why I haven't upgraded.
[01:54] <munchkin> minimec: Held shift. It just booted to a login prompt
[01:54] <Speiros> Ben64 Thanks
[01:54] <Ben64> Speiros: all those programs still work in 16.04 too
[01:54] <munchkin> tatertots: What did you want me to run?
[01:54] <minimec> tatertots: What are you talking about... Do you have any idea of the problem munchkin faces?
[01:54] <Speiros> Ben64 Yeah, but not with that Nvidia card.
[01:55] <Speiros> Ben64 That's the problem.
[01:55] <weiyang> Hi, I am using Ubuntu 15.10, and after I run "vncserver :1", I could connect to the :1 port, but just display a gray window.
[01:55]  * tatertots has resent his offer to assist the end user in question (munchkin)...so carry on
[01:55] <Ben64> Speiros: yes they do
[01:55] <weiyang> I have tried to edit the startup file, but looks not work.
[01:55] <munchkin> .....?
[01:55] <Ben64> weiyang: 15.10 is no longer supported, you need to upgrade to a supported version
[01:55] <munchkin> Why?
[01:55] <Bashing-om> munchkin: EFI system? then it is the escape key that grub looks for ; spam the escape key as soon as the firnware screen clears ,
[01:56] <munchkin> Bashing-om: UEFI, yea
[01:56] <weiyang> Ben64, oh,  could I upgrade without reinstall the system?
[01:56] <minimec> munchkin: I guess you were too late pressing the key. It's not that easy to get the 'hidden' grub screen. Try again.... ;)
[01:56] <Ben64> !eolupgrade | weiyang
[01:56] <munchkin> tatertots: You resent your offer to help?
[01:57] <munchkin> minimec: ok
[01:57] <weiyang> Let me take a look.
[01:57] <Speiros> Ben64 I don't know how long ago it was, but I removed this one, and updated to the newer one, and had no sound at all.  I couldn't change pulse to alsa or the other way around, as nothing worked.  When I asked about the card, it became a monster undertaking, and I decided I needed to be able to edit my music over the security issues of not being able to upgrade, due to NVIDIA and their incompatibility issues.  If it works in one, then why is it
[01:57] <Speiros>  not carried over to the next one?  It doesn't work on here, tried and tested.
[01:58] <Ben64> Speiros: what does your graphics card have to do with sound
[01:59] <munchkin> minimec: Did the same thing. Held it in since the splash screen
[01:59] <Speiros> Ben64 The reasons for the sound problem were apparently related to the card.  I don't recall all the details now, but if I ever do an upgrade, I will once again have to go through the process of days and weeks in hoping for a resolution, as I don't know coding etc.
[01:59] <minimec> munchkin: Ok. I have a solution. Can you login as the user you created during installation?
[02:00] <Ben64> Speiros: you're not making a ton of sense right now
[02:00] <Speiros> Ben64 Reinstalling 16.04 will cause all these wounds to open, and show a can of worms relating to Nvidia and my sound.  If there is another solution, there wasn't when I needed it then, so I'm using what works.
[02:00] <Ben64> Speiros: ok then run 14.04, i don't care
[02:01] <Speiros> Ben64 True.  I agree.  It still doesn't "fix" anything though, and there is apparently something, as most days I'm here, it seems there are Nvidia issues for someone somewhere.
[02:01] <munchkin> Um....what is secure boot?
[02:01] <Speiros> Ben64 Hence, I'd like an option to Nvidia.
[02:01] <ttttthis> hmm
[02:01] <Ben64> nvidia is popular, of course some people are going to have problems
[02:01] <Ben64> nvidia is still the best choice for linux
[02:01] <Speiros> Ben64 What is the second best?
[02:02] <Ben64> maybe amd now
[02:02] <munchkin> minimec: Logged in
[02:02] <munchkin> Nvidia is a b1tch to use
[02:02] <Ben64> not true
[02:02] <Speiros> Ben64 Ok, cool.  I'll have a look at that one in the near future, and see what it does.  Of course, ultimately it would be good to resolve the issues, but there are only so many times someone can look at a card issue before going away.
[02:03] <munchkin> I never throughout my experience head a simple time with Linux so...
[02:03] <minimec> munchkin: ok. Now type 'sudo nano /etc/default/grub'. It will ask for your password and you will get the content of that 'grub' file.
[02:03] <Sven__> can someone help me?, i have a problem on Unreal IRC, my problem is that i created a Java IRC client, which works on the Freenode servers, but when i try to connect to my own UnrealIRCD server it gives me Registration Timeout
[02:04] <Ben64> Sven__: not on topic here, but you made a bad client
[02:04] <Speiros> Sven__ Try #freenode mate.  They might be able to help you there.
[02:05] <Sven__> i´ve pasted the same message there
[02:05] <munchkin> minimec: What am I looking for?
[02:05] <Ben64> Sven__: so don't put it here
[02:06] <designbybeck> I would have thought Ubuntu 16.04 LTS would have RAW/CR2 images thumbnails by default!?
[02:06] <designbybeck> Best way to Get them Turned ON!?
[02:06] <minimec> munchkin: The first thing (for now) would be that we set 'GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=5' <-- easier to boot recovery afterwards... ;)
[02:07] <Ben64> designbybeck: thumbnails in what
[02:07] <designbybeck> Ben64, default file browser?
[02:07] <Ben64> designbybeck: which is...?
[02:07] <designbybeck> Ubuntu Unity? Ben64
[02:07] <designbybeck> which is the default in that Ben64
[02:08] <Ben64> you could just look
[02:08] <munchkin> minimec: Was I supposed to suddenly that command?
[02:08] <designbybeck> Ben64, things like this: https://gist.github.com/h4cc/13450db3d4a7457f9b38 but it doesn't work
[02:09] <minimec> munchkin: you should be able to move the cursor there and change the value from 0->5.
[02:10] <phantomid> katoolin
[02:11] <munchkin> minimec: Changed the value, but now I'm trying to exit
[02:11] <minimec> munchkin: Not yet... ;) Change the following line to 'GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false'
[02:12] <munchkin> minimec: Done.
[02:12] <p1xel> Thank you to everyone who helped me to improve performance of my PC. As well as everyone who helped me fix a system error bound to impractical use of the hardware resources, such as the filesystem-miner daemon...
[02:12] <tertullian> so, i've been having very bad wifi issues using WPA2-EAP ever since i got this laptop
[02:12] <p1xel> you are best!
[02:13] <minimec> munchkin: ok. Now set 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""'
[02:13] <tertullian> it's a skylake/ath10k Acer machine
[02:14] <munchkin> minimec: done
[02:14] <minimec> munchkin: ok. now press <ctrl>x -> y to save the changes
[02:15] <munchkin> minimec: Done
[02:15] <minimec> munchkin: the next step is 'sudo update grub'
[02:16] <minimec> munchkin: This will make the changes 'active'
[02:16] <minimec> munchkin: oh... 'sudo update-grub'
[02:17] <munchkin> minimec: Done
[02:18] <minimec> munchkin: you did 'sudo update-grub' right? If that is correct, type 'reboot' and cross fingers... ;)
[02:18] <minimec> munchkin: So try to let the system boot without interaction. If we are lucky, you have a runnung system...
[02:19] <munchkin> minimec: Boots to the login prompt again
[02:19] <munchkin> Took longer
[02:19] <rizonz> is it true that 14.04 doésn't honer apt-update scheduling and 16.04 does ?
[02:19] <minimec> munchkin: Did you get a boot screen, like the picture I posted?
[02:20] <munchkin> minimec: no
[02:21] <munchkin> I remember following tatertots' advice in installing the software, and it said something about secure boot
[02:21] <minimec> munchkin: That is strange. Are you sure that you did 'sudo update-grub', and did you get some output like 'Generating grub configuration file ...
[02:22] <minimec> munchkin: --> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-59-generic
[02:23] <munchkin> minimec: Nope
[02:24] <minimec> munchkin: so login again and do 'sudo update-grub' ...
[02:25] <Coppz> hi all. wondering if anyone knows a good android emulator for ubuntu?
[02:25] <munchkin> Said that it found a bunch of images not followed by "adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration"
[02:25] <Coppz> anyone?
[02:26] <minimec> munchkin: Ok. I am not a UEFI master. SO it probably did what it had to do...
[02:27] <minimec> munchkin: Now did you install the nvidia drivers already?
[02:27] <munchkin> minimec: unfortunately yes
[02:28] <munchkin> OK, I'm finally in the advanced menu
[02:28] <munchkin> no "quiet splash" at the end of the line that begins with "linux /
[02:29] <munchkin> "
[02:29] <minimec> munchkin: So you got that boot screen?
[02:29] <munchkin> Did you want me to get to a command line?
[02:29] <munchkin> Yea, so I went to hit e for the GNU grub menu
[02:30] <munchkin> minimec: Really appreciate your patience with this
[02:31] <minimec> munchkin: Well... we already removed 'quiet splash' now. If you are lucky, you can boot your system now. Otherwise we gonna try 'recovery mode'
[02:31] <turista> test
[02:32] <minimec> turista: pong
[02:32] <turista> I'm watching you
[02:32] <munchkin> minimec: It boots "Ubuntu" and there's no change
[02:33] <munchkin> I saw two other options that I could have booted to
[02:33] <minimec> munchkin: so again a black screen?
[02:33] <turista> may u need update grub again
[02:34] <munchkin> minimec: Nope, login prompt for my password
[02:34] <munchkin> Trying 'Recovery mode" now
[02:34] <minimec> munchkin: Ok.
[02:35] <minimec> munchkin: You will get some very basic color menu... Choose 'Continue normal boot'
[02:35] <munchkin> Starting to get a rage headache. I hate learning things like this
[02:35] <minimec> munchkin: Give me 5 min. I gonna have a cigarette on my balcony... ;)
[02:36]  * turista starts the smoke sensor's anyway
[02:36] <turista> beep beep beep
[02:36] <turista> btw is there an app to install a firmware to the galaxy s II in ubuntu?¿
[02:37] <reisio> back up elsewhere
[02:38] <turista> the phone does not work so, I plan to install a new one
[02:42] <minimec> munchkin: So... where are we now? ;)
[02:43] <munchkin> minimec: Me wanting to slit my throat. But I'll settle with getting this God damn OS up and running with drivers that work
[02:43] <munchkin> It's using proprietary drivers, but is in a lower resolution
[02:45] <minimec> munchkin: But you got a GUI? I would call this a prpgress... ;)
[02:45] <munchkin> minimec: sure
[02:46] <minimec> munchkin: Do you get the same result with a normal boot without 'recovery mode'?
[02:46] <Bashing-om> munchkin: minimec See what drivers are installed ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' ?
[02:47] <minimec> Bashing-om: Yeah... that is the next step... ;)
[02:47] <munchkin> 367
[02:49] <Bashing-om> munchkin: pastebin that output . we need to know there are no conflicts and that the supporting packages for the driver are also installed .
[02:49] <munchkin> You want to hear something funny? I installed the wrong version of an OS before this. Attempts to install this started this mess, despite the fact that the original OS worked with proprietary drivers just fine
[02:50] <Colombo1> hey guys, do you know about any good way how to edit (basically, fill in) PDF?
[02:50] <Colombo1> without having to convert it into image and back in Gimp
[02:50] <munchkin> Paste how?
[02:52] <kk4ewt> munchkin, dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia |pastebinit
[02:52] <minimec> munchkin: 'sudo apt install pastebinit', then 'sudo ubuntu-drivers list | pastebinit'
[02:52] <munchkin> Bashing-bom: I'm going to assume that I need software to do that, and go looking for it
[02:53] <munchkin> got it
[02:53] <rypervenche> Colombo1: How are you looking to edit it?
[02:54] <munchkin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23837052
[02:54] <Colombo1> rypervenche: I got form to fill in, I would like to know if there is a way to fill it without having to make it image, edit in gimp and then back in PDF
[02:54] <rypervenche> Colombo1: It depends on how the PDF was created. Some you can edit directly in your PDF viewer. Others, you can't.
[02:55] <Colombo1> rypervenche: the last time I saw PDF that you can edit directly, it was specifically created as a form
[02:55] <Colombo1> this one isn't
[02:56] <Bashing-om> munchkin: minimec Looks good, I see no issues here . Time to see what X's log file has to say ?
[02:56] <minimec> munchkin: Bashing-om:  Ok. My output would be the same, without the 'nouveau-firmware'. What if we remove that one?
[02:58] <Bashing-om> minimec: concur with removing as " for the
[02:58] <Bashing-om>  open-source nouveau nVidia drivers "
[03:00] <linuxaholic> how is 16.10 treating everyone?
[03:01] <minimec> munchkin: So... First, I would like to know whether you can boot up the system into a GUI environment without using 'recovery mode'. Our next guess would be to remove the 'nouveau-firmware' package.
[03:03] <Bashing-om> minimec: Also " nvidia-prime : present makes me consider this is a hybrid graphics .. and a good possibility the xorg.conf file is inconsistent ??
[03:04] <minimec> Bashing-om: As far as I remember he has a gtx980.
[03:05] <munchkin> Right, a GTX980
[03:05] <munchkin> Fellows, I have an idea
[03:05] <minimec> Bashing-om: And I have a gtx1060 and have nvidia-prime installed.
[03:05] <munchkin> Who knows anything about secure boot?
[03:07] <munchkin> I have a feeling that it's not allowing proper chnages
[03:07] <Bashing-om> minimec: K .
[03:08] <munchkin> .....
[03:09] <munchkin> Just purged the Nvidia drivers to install them again from ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[03:10] <munchkin> And when I restarted the machine, secure boot message came up saying that the changes made for third party software would only take place after I put in the password I wwtup
[03:10] <munchkin> Setup *
[03:10] <munchkin> And if Secure Boot was not disabled
[03:11] <munchkin> No changes could be made
[03:11] <munchkin> Don't know where the password needs to be put in, but
[03:12] <Bashing-om> munchkin: A Acer laptop here ?
[03:12] <munchkin> Nope
[03:13] <munchkin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23837111
[03:13] <munchkin> Here are the results of the latest dpkg for nvidia
[03:15] <Ben64> what video card do you have
[03:15] <munchkin> Ben64: GTX 980
[03:17] <Ben64> why not use the driver in ubuntu?
[03:17] <munchkin> Ben64: Because it's shit
[03:18] <munchkin> The resolution is messed uo
[03:18] <Ben64> that sort of language isn't allowed here
[03:18] <munchkin> Up*
[03:18] <Ben64> and that doesn't make sense
[03:18] <Ben64> your card has been supported since 343.22, 16.04 has 367.57
[03:18] <munchkin> Ben64: My entire experience with an Nvidia Graphics card and the native drivers have never been positive
[03:18] <phiona> theres this popup. when i press run now it opens terminal for about 2 seconds and its gone. the next day , it pops up again. what do i do?
[03:19] <munchkin> Graphical glitches,  tearing, videos not playing properly
[03:19] <phiona> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23837123/
[03:19] <minimec> munchkin: well... I do not agree with you. Even though I also have a 'boot' problem with default ubuntu startup settings... The card is running like charm once booted...
[03:20] <munchkin> mininec: On 3 separate Linux OSs I've had the same once booted
[03:20] <munchkin> The same issues
[03:21] <munchkin> I'm currently using binary open source drivers, and my resolution is currently at 1024 x 768
[03:21] <munchkin> And I can't change it
[03:22] <munchkin> And it will not display anything on my other monitor
[03:22] <Bashing-om> phiona: Try ' sudo apt update && sudo apt install --reinstall ttf-mscorefonts-installer ' When the EULA pops up use the space bar to page down, Tab to highlight "Ok", then Enter.
[03:22] <Ben64> munchkin: have you tried opening nvidia-settings
[03:22] <munchkin> minimec: yes, to no options to change what I said
[03:23] <Ben64> Bashing-om: there has been some change with how the fonts are downloaded, it doesn't work as it used to, idk how a fix yet, there might have been one
[03:23] <munchkin> In fact, the only thing I can see is application profiles, and nvidia-settings configuration
[03:24] <Ben64> munchkin: pastebin the output of 'lshw -c video'
[03:24] <Bashing-om> Ben64: Uouch thanks ! a constanly moving target is this OS :)
[03:25] <Ben64> some people say to install the debian version, but that seems like that could backfire
[03:25] <munchkin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23837147
[03:26] <minimec> munchkin: Well.. In your case I would 1.) purge that ppa, 2) 'sudo apt purge nvidia*' 3) reboot 4) 'sudo ubuntu drivers auto install'. That would bring you back to '367'. Starting form that you could try to get a good result.
[03:26] <Ben64> munchkin: doesn't seem like you're running the nvidia drivers at all
[03:27] <minimec> munchkin: I mean the gtx1060 that I have is more recent and is running well with nvidia-367, besides the mentioned botting problem.
[03:29] <minimec> munchkin: And yet you have not answered me the question whether you can boot into a GUI with a 'normal' boot, after having remived 'quiet splash' in '/etc/default/grub'. At least I did not see an answer,
[03:29] <pos> Which "metapackage" is used to install a limited gnome on a preconfigured ubuntu server? is it still gnome-shell?
[03:30] <pos> with limited I mean with libreoffice and standard tools, just not the ubuntu-specific full bells and whistles
[03:31] <munchkin> Ben64: how am I not using it?
[03:31] <Ben64> munchkin: it doesn't say you are, and nvidia-settings isn't working
[03:31] <phiona> Bashing-om: this is the result.... https://paste.ubuntu.com/23837156/
[03:32] <munchkin> minimec: I can try. Last time I tried, it was no
[03:34] <munchkin> minimec: Looks like I get a login prompt
[03:35] <munchkin> and the original issue that prompted me to go for the drivers in the first place is happening
[03:35] <munchkin> Invisible mouse cursor
[03:36] <Bashing-om> phiona: Beats ne what is going on . Look at : https://sourceforge.net/projects/corefonts/files/corefonts/ and we see that " andale32.exe " is not available . Hummmm ...
[03:37] <minimec> munchkin: I did the same changes now on my installation. Before I go to bed, I will do a reboot now to see what I get... I will be back soon... ;)
[03:38] <Bashing-om> phiona: Maybe never the mind as it is here : https://sourceforge.net/projects/corefonts/files/the%20fonts/final/ .
[03:42] <phiona> Bashing-om: they are exe files.
[03:43] <arooni> anyone here with a thinkpad?  i tried to set up thinkfan service at system startup and it doesnt seem to b working
[03:43] <arooni>   Process: 1078 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/thinkfan (code=exited, status=4)
[03:43] <arooni> Jan 20 21:39:12 LilArooni systemd[1]: Failed to start simple and lightweight fan control program.
[03:45] <Bashing-om> phiona: I look at it and the path to andale32.exe is not the same . I do not know what it will take to set the path to download the andale32.exe file . Sorry .
[03:47] <minimec> munchkin: Ok. Removing "quiet splash" indeed doesn't do the trick. I also have this special situation that I have full disk encryption. So, as you, I have to use 'recovery moe' to be able to boot. Besides that, my gtx1060 card is running like charm with 'nvidia-367'.
[03:48] <minimec> munchkin: I agree with you that this is a 'nvidia fu.. you' situation, as described by Linus! And yet... I love this card....
[03:50] <turista> u need to get an ice cream but, I dunno the flavor
[03:50] <phiona> anyone else has answers? theres this popup. when i press run now it opens terminal for about 2 seconds and its gone. the next day , it pops up again. what do i do? https://paste.ubuntu.com/23837123/
[03:50] <minimec> munchkin: Believe me, i would have loved to help you further... we spend quiet some time on that problem... but now i's time for me to go to bed... ;)
[03:51] <minimec> phiona: This is a bug in the ttf-mscorefonts-installer package...
[03:52] <minimec> phiona: It tries to donwload from a 404 web link...
[03:52] <smerdyakow> hey can we archive firefox history, so that it gets faster
[03:54] <phiona> minimec: ok. so we just live with this popup everyday?
[03:55] <minimec> phiona: Yeah... Seems like older ubuntu versions are not touched by the bug, so you could either downgrade to an older version, or... wait for a buf fix...
[03:55] <Ben64> phiona: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2346763
[03:56] <Ben64> note - installing non-ubuntu packages is unsupported, do at your own risk blah blah, but it probably works
[03:56] <munchkin> minimec: thanks anyway
[03:57] <minimec> munchkin: Was my pleasure. Unfortunately there was no 'happy ending'. I hate to go to bed like that... ;)
[03:57] <munchkin> No happy ending is me going back to Windows
[03:58] <Ben64> maybe try fixing the problem then, or have fun with windows
[03:58] <munchkin> I have been trying. Unsuccessfully
[03:58] <Ben64> i asked you things then you disappeared
[03:58] <munchkin> Asked me what?
[03:59] <minimec> munchkin: That would be a relly bad/sad decision... But I cannot hold you back...
[03:59] <Ben64> are you running the drivers yet?
[03:59] <munchkin> LOL
[04:00] <munchkin> How am I suppose to know?
[04:00] <Colombo1> phiona: google a bit, you have to download this stuff manually
[04:00] <Ben64> the command i asked you to paste before, do it again
[04:00] <munchkin> I defaulted back to Xorg
[04:00] <munchkin> And I have a missing mouse cursor
[04:00] <Ben64> ok so you gave up, cool i guess?
[04:00] <munchkin> Ben64: Ah, I didn't see that bit
[04:00] <Colombo1> phiona: http://askubuntu.com/questions/463754/how-to-make-ttf-mscorefonts-installer-package-download-fonts-after-it-says-it-i second answer
[04:01] <munchkin> Gave up? Even find I would, would you blame me?
[04:01] <Ben64> yes
[04:01] <munchkin> Why?
[04:01] <Ben64> because you're wasting your time here with someone who knows a lot about nvidia complaining instead of fixing it
[04:01] <Ben64> i'm not trying to waste my time on someone who doesn't care
[04:02] <munchkin> If it didn't care, why am I still here?
[04:02] <Ben64> yet you're still not actually doing anything
[04:03] <munchkin> Even now as I speak, I'm still working on this. I'm booting back to my live Flash Drive
[04:03] <munchkin> That count?
[04:03] <baka> Hi all,, after I copy entire system file from partition a to b then i update grub and fstab, now my ubuntu come up again and normally run except for ping,, it must be in sudo... any idea?
[04:05] <Ben64> munchkin: why live?
[04:06] <Ben64> baka: ls -ld /bin/ping
[04:06] <baka> Ben64: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 44168 Jan 20 10:35 /bin/ping
[04:06] <phiona> Colombo1: ok. so how do we remove ttf-mscorefonts?
[04:06] <munchkin> Ben63: I'm wiping my hard drive. The driver and boot issue is getting on my nerves
[04:06] <Colombo1> phiona: just purge it
[04:06] <Ben64> baka: you didn't keep the proper permissions on that file
[04:07] <baka> what chmod ? 644 or ?
[04:07] <Colombo1> phiona: sudo apt-get purge ttf-mscorefonts-installer and run the stuff from second response
[04:07] <Ben64> baka: 4755
[04:07] <munchkin> Unless you can offer another solution as to why I have windows boot loader showing up when I attempted to pick an option in my boot menu
[04:07] <baka> Ben64: sec
[04:10] <munchkin> Anyone available to help with Xorg invisible mouse?
[04:11] <Ben64> how about getting nvidia working first
[04:12] <baka> Ben64: i stupid for thinking setting mod for setuid... thank very very much... :D
[04:12] <housekeeping> I'm attempting tomount a windows share with fstab using cifs-utils...am i doing it wrong? I can get it to mount, but i can't seem to get write permissions to my user
[04:12] <Ben64> baka: you're welcome
[04:13] <Ben64> housekeeping: what's the line in fstab?
[04:15] <munchkin> Ben64: Your refusing to help me?
[04:16] <Ben64> not quite yet
[04:17] <munchkin> Ben64: Expecting to? So far, one person here ignored me because I didn't respond quickly enough
[04:17] <phiona> Colombo1: well that didnt help. https://paste.ubuntu.com/23837272/
[04:17] <Ben64> well you keep changing the topic, it's annoying
[04:17] <Ben64> work on  one problem at a time
[04:17] <shubbar> workspaces switching problem, up, down arrows not working; left, right are ok
[04:18] <munchkin> Fair enough.
[04:18] <Snowie> shubbar: I dont think up/down is meant to work.
[04:19] <housekeeping> Ben64, //192.168.0.16/Aaron /mnt/share cifs user=aaron,password=(removed),umask=777,sec=ntlm 0 0
[04:19] <shubbar> Snowie, with unity i think it should. It used to work.
[04:19] <housekeeping> umask is my attempt to get rw
[04:20] <shubbar> And how do I limit the workspace to one screen?
[04:20] <Snowie> shubbar: yeah, i see it not. so it should move to a window above or below in the switcher
[04:21] <Ben64> housekeeping: ls -ld one of the files in there and paste here
[04:21] <malkauns> why does ubuntu desktop always slow down and get laggy over time? i always have to logout and log back in to restore performance (16.04 with NVidia 367.57)
[04:21] <Ben64> malkauns: run htop or atop to see what's taking resources
[04:21] <malkauns> that's the thing
[04:21] <malkauns> nothing is hogging the cpu
[04:23] <rypervenche> malkauns: What about RAM?
[04:23] <malkauns> same, low
[04:23] <housekeeping> Ben64, it's not mounting since i added the umask
[04:23] <malkauns> and i have 16gb which i never get close to
[04:23] <rypervenche> malkauns: What is slow for you?
[04:23] <Ben64> housekeeping: remove it then
[04:23] <malkauns> up to a 1 second lag before a window responds to a click and comes into focus
[04:24] <munchkin> Can anyone help me with Nvidia drivers?
[04:24] <malkauns> well maybe more like 0.5 secs
[04:24] <Ben64> munchkin: you need to ask a question with details
[04:24] <munchkin> or maybe Xorg drivers? I'm not entirely sure where the issue is
[04:24] <malkauns> which is an eternity when you're trying to multitask quickly
[04:24] <housekeeping> anything i can reference for the permissions?
[04:24] <phiona> Colombo1: well that didnt help. https://paste.ubuntu.com/23837272/
[04:24] <Ben64> housekeeping: before that just see what's going on now
[04:25] <munchkin> Ben64: .....um....  What makes you think I know the details? What details?
[04:25] <housekeeping> k, gotta restart to get the mount again
[04:26] <Ben64> munchkin: explain the issue
[04:26] <Ben64> housekeeping: no you don't
[04:26] <aiena> how do i disable the alt keyboard bindings in LXDE ?
[04:27] <aiena> Their interfering with my iDE
[04:27] <housekeeping> Ben64, oh?
[04:27] <Ben64> housekeeping: "sudo mount -a" will mount everything in fstab
[04:28] <munchkin> GRUB installation failed, grub-efi-amd64-signed package failed to install into /target/.
[04:29] <munchkin> Saying my system will not boot
[04:29] <munchkin> After an attempt to install from live boot
[04:29] <housekeeping> Ben64, drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jan 20  2017 /mnt/share/
[04:30] <Ben64> housekeeping: a file inside of there
[04:31] <housekeeping> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root       0 Jan 20  2017 New Text Document.txt
[04:32] <Ben64> housekeeping: can root write to the mount?
[04:34] <housekeeping> Yes, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root       0 Jan 20 22:33 testtouch
[04:34] <housekeeping>   <- sudo touch
[04:34] <Ben64> cool, then you just need to get it mounted as your user and you're done
[04:35] <munchkin> Is there recommended reading to get a decent grasp on Linux?
[04:35] <Ben64> !manual | munchkin
[04:36] <housekeeping> Ben64, does the user= in the fstab option only for the smb login?
[04:36] <malkauns> munchkin, just everyday use will be enough
[04:37] <Ben64> housekeeping: yes. you need uid= and gid=, use "id" to find your UID and GID (probably 1000 for both)
[04:37] <munchkin> malkauns: It hasn't been enough for me so far. It's easy for me to get frustrated with this sometines
[04:37] <munchkin> sometimes*
[04:37] <rypervenche> munchkin: How long have you been using the system?
[04:37] <housekeeping> just add as option?
[04:37] <rypervenche> munchkin: Or Linux, I should say.
[04:37] <malkauns> what have you been frustrated with?
[04:38] <Ben64> housekeeping: yeah like user=aaron,password=(removed),uid=1000,gid=1000
[04:38] <munchkin> rypervenche: Not long enough. It's been on and off. Used Ubuntu for like a month
[04:38] <housekeeping> umount first?
[04:38] <Ben64> sure
[04:38] <rypervenche> munchkin: Ah, that's not enough time :) It takes a bit of time to become proficient. :)
[04:38] <malkauns> munchkin, force yourself to use it exclusively for a month
[04:38] <malkauns> on and off wont make the cut
[04:38] <munchkin> malkauns: Trying to
[04:39] <munchkin> I'll see if it installed correctly this time
[04:40] <munchkin> I believe to know a little more than the basics
[04:40] <munchkin> malkauns: Fair enough
[04:40] <munchkin> Doesn't help that I use Windows at work
[04:41] <housekeeping> Ben64, hell yeah, ty!
[04:41] <rypervenche> munchkin: All of used Windows at a point and slowly converted. You can use both. It won't stump your Linux learning.
[04:42] <Ben64> housekeeping: :D
[04:42] <housekeeping> now to try to use rsync to backup toit.
[04:44] <housekeeping> well the rsync was a breeze
[04:44] <Ben64> rsync is nice
[04:45] <COSL04X> rsync is very useful but like many tools can be nasty if accidently misused
[04:45] <housekeeping> I'm used to dealing with Windows Server.
[04:46] <Ben64> housekeeping: aw i'm sorry
[04:52] <warren_> whats up
[04:52] <maxxe> whazzup
[04:55] <munchkin> anyone know why a mouse would be invisible with Xorg drivers?
[04:56] <Ben64> munchkin: pastebin the output of 'lshw -c video'
[04:56] <munchkin> Ben64: Sure
[04:56] <reisio> munchkin: cloaking technology
[04:57] <munchkin> reisio: Seems legit
[04:59] <munchkin> http //paste.ubuntu.com/23837399
[04:59] <maxir> how can i force ubuntu to open all .pdf's and .djvu's with a certain command?
[05:01] <maxir> i tried putting the command on "open with" but it is still opening the pdfs with evince by default afterwards
[05:01] <munchkin> Ben64: Driver version looks like nouveau
[05:01] <maxir> can someone help?
[05:02] <maxir> ??
[05:04] <causative> why is it in 16.10 that when I open a terminal by clicking the icon in the launcher bar, no white pip appears by that icon to show that I have a terminal open?
[05:04] <causative> and every time I click on the icon a new terminal opens instead of switching me to the one that's already open
[05:04] <maxir> nvm the problem is solved
[05:04] <causative> and this problem weirdly does not occur for any other apps
[05:05] <munchkin> nouveau drivers used, but mouse is invisible. Anyone have a solution?
[05:05] <Ben64> munchkin: use nvidia driver
[05:06] <causative> anyone else on 16.10 having this problem/not having this problem/got any idea how to fix?
[05:06] <turista> sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme
[05:07] <munchkin> Ben64: Using additional drivers to use Nvidia will show "Applying changes" but it kinda just sticks there
[05:08] <PianoSkulls2> hey guys
[05:08] <PianoSkulls2> i'm trying to bind windows key to "super key" on xbuntu
[05:09] <PianoSkulls2> idk what to put in app shortcut in keyboard settings
[05:09] <Ben64> munchkin: "sudo apt-get install build-essential dkms linux-headers-$(uname -r) linux-headers-$(uname -r | sed s/-[a-z].*//g) linux-headers$(uname -r | sed s/^.*[0-9]\-/-/g)"
[05:10] <munchkin> Ben64: Ever heard of that happening before?
[05:10] <Ben64> munchkin: then "sudo apt-get install nvidia-367 nvidia-settings"
[05:10] <Ben64> munchkin: nope
[05:10] <munchkin> dkms?
[05:10] <Ben64> yep
[05:11] <ledeni> munchkin, try sudo modprobe psmouse
[05:12] <PianoSkulls2> nobody
[05:12] <PianoSkulls2> ok
[05:13] <munchkin> ledeni: Already tried Ben64's thing
[05:16] <munchkin> Ben64: I couldn't get the first line in
[05:16] <Ben64> why
[05:19] <Miz1980> what's up
[05:19] <KC9EEK> hi!
[05:19] <Miz1980> hey! I know you!
[05:19] <KC9EEK> I know you too!
[05:21] <roothorick> PianoSkulls2: it should already be that way...
[05:36] <PianoSkulls2> roothorick: I fixed it by remapping shortcut "ctl+esc"
[06:18] <king-ali> hello
[06:21] <Doc-Saintly> I'm having lots of issues with apt-get repositories here in China... Is there an easy way around this? It seems some repos don't resolve because of the GFW, others are outdated... getting to be too troublesome to want to worry about.
[06:23] <maris> how can i check whether a usb drive was mounted with async or sync
[06:23] <marist> please help
[06:23] <n4n0`> wtf
[06:24] <marist> ?
[06:36] <kang00> (kang00) Who is live
[06:39] <ZJAY> ok stoopid ? time again....... in cron what does this mean "*/480 * * * * " or this "* * * * *"
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> !cron | ZJAY
[06:41] <ZJAY> i know that ive used cron for years im asking what it means in time wise?
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> ZJAY: doesnt the wiki say it somewhere>?
[06:47] <ZJAY> wow trying to prove a point to someone here just wanted the experts input but thanks anyway geez
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> ZJAY: i dont know it either, im just trying to help..not to prove anything
[06:48] <n4n0`> gosh geez.
[06:49] <n4n0`> Everyone calm down, Trump is going to fix your computer problems.
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> ZJAY: The five time-and-date fields are as follows: minute (0-59), hour (0-23, 0 = midnight), day (1-31), month (1-12), weekday (0-6, 0 = Sunday).
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> ZJAY: from the cron wiki
[06:52] <ah0yv> asasasas
[07:29] <Peer-> Hello
[07:30] <aemaeth> sup
[07:32] <stewart_> 900
[07:34] <aemaeth> new to irc. are channels always this quiet?
[07:35] <Ben64> depends on the channel. this is the ubuntu support channel, so it's quiet when there are no support things going on
[07:35] <aemaeth> ah cool thanks
[07:51] <ZJAY> what is the best way to take an exact ubuntu image of my present main drive and put it on a much faster better computer same arch itechture etc what program or command line do i use?
[07:51] <ZJAY> clo ne it as it would be
[07:51] <ZJAY> clone
[07:52] <reisio> like, the exact same hardware?
[07:52] <ZJAY> same cpu same type motherboard my old one is fried
[07:52] <reisio> you can't just put the hard disk in the new box?
[07:52] <ZJAY> well ok faster cpu like from a 3.2 ghz to a 4.0 one
[07:53] <ZJAY> new bigger hd also
[07:53] <reisio> so you want the old hard disk to rot and be wasted?
[07:53] <ZJAY> no i wanted to use a way faster non disk hd
[07:54] <ZJAY> for the main
[07:54] <ZJAY> its only a 80 gb drive anyway
[07:54] <ZJAY> from that to a nvme 512 gb drive
[07:55] <ZJAY> ya know the m.2 kind from a soindle disk
[07:55] <reisio> mmm
[07:56] <ZJAY> 32gb ram instead of 4 gb
[07:56] <reisio> what I usually do is duplicate the partitions, rsync the data (from a live OS), and reinstall GRUB
[07:56] <ZJAY> is there instructions or a tool that is best
[07:56] <reisio> you can do the partition bit with sfdisk or sgdisk
[07:57] <reisio> grub: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[07:58] <ZJAY> tyvm resio
[07:58] <reisio> for rsync, you might want like, -AHXa
[07:58] <ZJAY> will do
[07:58] <ZJAY> i love rsync
[07:59] <reisio> indeed, how could anyone not
[07:59] <ZJAY> so much easier than copy and paste
[07:59] <ZJAY> or mv
[07:59] <ZJAY> or cp
[07:59] <reisio> although, yeah if the new drive is larger, you would want to duplicate the partitions manually, so that you can have one/more bigger
[08:00] <ZJAY> ok
[08:00] <reisio> anyway, partitioning is simple
[08:00] <reisio> you could still use sfdisk/sgdisk, though, and then resize afterward, if you wanted
[08:00] <reisio> that could be "less complicated" from a certain POV
[08:01] <ZJAY> ok
[08:01] <ZJAY> might try that the resizing should be easy
[08:01] <reisio> yeah
[08:01] <reisio> particularly with empty partitions
[08:01] <ZJAY> yup all those old crusty mechanical disk
[08:02] <reisio> mmm, lovely solid state
[08:02] <ZJAY> yup uber fast
[08:03] <ZJAY> it reboots so fast the light just flicker and its reinitializing
[08:03] <ZJAY> amazing compared to an older icore 3 i have
[08:03] <reisio> yup
[08:04] <reisio> electrons are faster than little arms and spinning disks and magnets, I guess? :p
[08:04] <ZJAY> this will be my 3rd one with nvme superfast installing ubunutu or archlinux also
[08:05] <reisio> only have plain old ssd here
[08:05] <reisio> still damn fast
[08:05] <ZJAY> the first time i put ubuntu on  it i thought it blewup cause it got done and rebooted so fast
[08:06] <rizonz> does anyone know if the apt module from puppet is not capable of setting last successfull run on  14.04 ? 16.04 works great
[08:06] <kang00> Is it so that we can build iso file of os only?
[08:06] <rizonz> or was it just broken in 14.04, I thought so
[08:06] <reisio> kang00: hrmm?
[08:07] <kang00> reisio what's hrmm mean
[08:08] <reisio> kang00: means: what're you talking about?
[08:10] <teido> hallo
[08:10] <KillTheFaggot> teido: hi
[08:18] <victor> hola
[08:18] <Guest10254> tengo problemas con el grub
[08:19] <Guest10254> alguien sabe?
[08:26] <MpEbUtCh3r_> Hi there, is anyone would know why bumblebee install itself once I install nvidia-XXX? (I have 2GPU but my integrated chipset seams to be auto-off at startup-at least no trace of it in lspci-)
[08:34] <jinxi1>  Hi, I have a problem with my konsole. somehow there is a few spaces before the prompt. And outputs are not listed nicely as before. See screenshot: https://imagebin.ca/v/39d29cQ7p2me  does any one know how to fix this?
[08:34] <reisio> jinxi1: don't cross post
[08:40] <geirha> jinxi1: what does  declare -p PS1 PROMPT_COMMAND  output?
[08:40] <dn`> is there a way to change after init the storage backend von dir to zfs? (I don’t have any containers, yet)
[08:40] <geirha> oh wait, doesn't look like a prompt issue, but rather wrong TERM var
[08:41] <jinxi1> geirha: http://pastebin.com/17uGDBNJ
[08:41] <dn`> (talking about lxc/lxd)
[08:42] <geirha> jinxi1: Right, not a prompt issue. What is TERM variable set to, and do you remember changing tabstops in that terminal?
[08:42] <jinxi1> geirha: nope. I haven't used my computer for days atually
[08:44] <geirha> jinxi1: oh, looking closer at that image ... the font isn't monospaced
[08:44] <blackflow> I have both regular Steam and Wine Steam installations. Dash is showing two identical icons, so I went and added "(Wine)" to wine steam's .desktop description. When I type "Steam (wi" in dash search, it shows only one, but it still says "Steam" under the icon.
[08:44] <geirha> jinxi1: Pick a monospaced font and it should look alright again
[08:44] <blackflow> So I want to re-cache or whatever the term is for dash to show the new text under the icon
[08:45] <jinxi1> geirha: wow, you are  my hero
[08:45] <jinxi1> that indeed solved the problem
[08:46] <nadi> !list
[08:47] <dn`> Is there a way to change the storage backend from dir to zfs after lxd init? - I don’t have any containers, yet
[09:01] <nkh> Hi guys, I need to set up a local repository on my server, but I want to setup and maintain it like real ubuntu repositories, I mean I have to support multiple distributions, provide dist-upgrades, so one can migrate from 14.04 to 16.04 and get the new packages ... I want to automate this on my server. For example, I have some packages being built on the server by continues integration [Jenkins]  ... Anyhow, I need to know about how actual ubuntu repositories work 
[09:02] <CuriousWombat> Hello! I made a boot usb using gtk-usb-creator...it boots if I use the 16.04.1 desktop iso but it doesn't if I use the mini.iso...any idea why this could be happenning?
[09:04] <ducasse> CuriousWombat: are you on an uefi system?
[09:04] <CuriousWombat> it may be...i am kind of confused about uefi, efi and bios computers...
[09:05] <ducasse> CuriousWombat: the mini iso has no uefi support
[09:05] <CuriousWombat> I see...
[09:06] <CuriousWombat> I will check if there is any way I can have it running on a uefi system
[09:06] <rajat> CuriousWombat, not to make more complicated usb boot I use dd
[09:06] <CuriousWombat> rajat: it didnot work even using dd
[09:08] <rajat> CuriousWombat, most of the case it working for me gtk and other gui tool are some time pull the iso from internet
[09:08] <CuriousWombat> i have another question...i have 2 different pcs...both can boot an ubuntu desktop iso burned with gtk-usb-creator...but when I preeseed the iso...it boots in one computer, but not in another...how can that make sense?
[09:12] <CuriousWombat> ducasse?
[09:31] <heller_> how can i change my keyboard layout? installed debian but if i type "-" i get "+"
[09:32] <CuriousWombat> setxkbmap en
[09:42] <heller_> btw i dont have x
[09:42] <heller_> only ssh/console
[09:46] <SDr> hi #ubuntu, what are options to mount 1, a single file, which 2, expands as more file are added to it?
[09:47] <wedgie> mount a single file?
[09:48] <SDr> wedgie, so, eg tinycore has tcz, which allows taking eg a full project, and packaging it into a single file
[09:49] <SDr> problem with tcz, is that once packed, you can't extend, or add files to it
[09:51] <wedgie> SDr: is that like a disk image format? Maybe this is somewhat related? https://pen-testing.sans.org/blog/2016/12/07/mount-a-raspberry-pi-file-system-image
[10:01] <Norbin> mouse hovering a window menu does not expand it, i have to click. is that normal behaviour?
[10:02] <Norbin> Ubuntu 16.10
[10:15] <hardy_> !weather kja
[10:15] <hardy_> !weather sxf
[10:25] <tomreyn> SDr: tiny cores' .tcz files seem to be just regular squashfs file system images (i downloaded one and ran the GNU file command on it, which told me). here's how to work with squashfs: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/SquashFS-HOWTO/creatingandusing.html
[10:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:45] <tmm88> greetings
[10:45] <tmm88> what is the easiest way to install ubuntu mobile on my android?
[10:45] <tmm88> easiest dumbest possible
[10:49] <sliddis> How do I install php-net-ipv4 ?
[10:54] <tomreyn> sliddis: it's a package, you install it as any other package
[10:54] <tomreyn> sliddis: do you know how to install packages?
[10:54] <sliddis> tomreyn: only via apt install
[10:54] <sliddis> And its not in ubuntu 16.10
[10:54] <tomreyn> right, that would work. this package is not available for all ubuntu releases, though.
[10:55] <tomreyn> right, so in this case you could use the non-packaged php way for installing it: pear install php-net-ipv4
[10:57] <sliddis> tomreyn: will this get updated by apt upgrade ?
[10:57] <tomreyn> in case this is a live webserver, i'd suggest running LTS instead. you get longer support cycles, and packages are usually better maintained.
[10:58] <tomreyn> sliddis: no, pear installed packages dont benefit from the apt infrastructure.
[10:58] <tomreyn> there's a third option: you could try to find a well maintained PPA which provides this package for 16.10
[11:00] <sliddis>  sudo pear install php-net-ipv4 parsePackageName(): only one version/state delimiter "-" is allowed in "php-net-ipv4" invalid package name/package file "php-net-ipv4" install failed
[11:01] <tomreyn> run 'pear --help', i must have provided the wrong usage
[11:01] <sliddis> pear install Net_IPv4 worked :) thanks!
[11:01] <tomreyn> also there is 'pecl', a similar utility, you might need to use this instead. i'm not sure which to use when.
[11:01] <sliddis> (after looking in pear search ipv4)
[11:03] <tomreyn> the latest version of Net_IPv4 1.3.4 (stable) was released on 2010-09-08.
[11:04] <tomreyn> maybe that's why it's not well packaged
[11:04] <sliddis> which one is available in ubuntu 16.04 LTS?
[11:05] <tomreyn> !info php-net-ipv4 xenial
[11:05] <tomreyn> !info php-net-ipv4 precise
[11:05] <tomreyn> not a lot of changes during those 4 years
[11:06] <tomreyn> last upstream commit in 2014 https://github.com/pear/Net_IPv4/commits/trunk
[11:07] <tomreyn> but maybe it's just feature complete, it has a very limited set of features apparently.
[11:08] <ramikilany> hello guys
[11:10] <tomreyn> hi rami
[11:12] <ramikilany> i am from lebanon middle east
[11:12] <ramikilany> and i work in hospital as IT administrator
[11:13] <EriC^^> ramikilany: nice
[11:13] <EriC^^> i'm from lebanon as well
[11:13] <ramikilany> and i was trying to simulate mi migration from Microsoft infrastructure to ubuntu
[11:13] <ramikilany> hi eric
[11:14] <EriC^^> hi
[11:14] <ramikilany> from where in lebanon?
[11:14] <EriC^^> dekweneh
[11:14] <ramikilany> nice
[11:14] <EriC^^> you?
[11:14] <ramikilany> me from tripoli
[11:14] <EriC^^> nice
[11:15] <ramikilany> are you working?
[11:15] <EriC^^> do you happen to know by any chance the name of a guy there that sells bmw m3 parts?
[11:15] <EriC^^> i had his number but i lost it, forgot his name
[11:15] <ramikilany> no sorry
[11:15] <EriC^^> no currently unemployed
[11:15] <EriC^^> no problem
[11:16] <ramikilany> no problem
[11:16] <ramikilany> nice to meet you eric
[11:16] <EriC^^> you too
[11:17] <ramikilany> any help by migrating me to ubuntu
[11:17] <ubuntu> Bikash
[11:17] <ubuntu> hi
[11:17] <ramikilany> i want to change my windows server 2008 to ubuntu server
[11:17] <ubuntu> Can
[11:17] <ubuntu> I have
[11:17] <EriC^^> i've no experience with that, somebody here should know though
[11:18] <ramikilany> waiting for him
[11:18] <ramikilany> do you his name?
[11:18] <EriC^^> ikonia maybe?
[11:18] <ubuntu_> Manisha
[11:19] <fishcooker> what does ^[*] means, eg:[97544.583502] http://vpaste.net/oaAjT
[11:19] <ubuntu_> Hi
[11:19] <ubuntu_> friensd
[11:19] <ubuntu_> frinds
[11:19] <EriC^^> fishcooker: that's the time in seconds since boot usually
[11:19] <ubuntu_> can we  talk about you
[11:19] <tomreyn> ramikilany: first of all, what do you currently use that windows server for?
[11:20] <Bikash> Friends
[11:20] <ramikilany> using as file server and active directory (users, groups, OU)
[11:21] <EriC^^> fishcooker: which log file is that from?
[11:22] <tomreyn> ramikilany: active directory you'd replace by ldap usually, but there's no easy migration for that. also, since you're a hospital you probably can't migrate off windows entirely, or even half - sadly.
[11:22] <ramikilany> so bad
[11:23] <ramikilany> what about the snap thing?
[11:23] <ramikilany> can it help if i go to virtual?
[11:24] <tomreyn> ramikilany: snap is a package management system, snappy core is a stripped down ubuntu intended for the "internet of thngs", usually computationally limited embedded devices.
[11:25] <ramikilany> ah ok so it is not like the xenapp
[11:25] <ubuntu_> amberj@27.97.73.88
[11:26] <ramikilany> in your opinion i must forget the migration?
[11:26] <tomreyn> ramikilany: it's not virtualization or a containment solution, no. don't pick a technology, then see how it can be used to solve your problem. instead, first seek an overall migration plan, look into what you'll be able to migrate, and then re-evaluate the plan.
[11:27] <tomreyn> ramikilany: no, i'm not saying this, i'm saying you will need to look in detail at the systems you have and what they depend on.
[11:27] <ramikilany> ok so i will check the file sharing if it could be done well by samba and check the LDAP thing
[11:28] <ramikilany> and test them
[11:28] <tomreyn> this sounds like a much better approach :)
[11:28] <ramikilany> any online book or videos can help me?
[11:30] <tomreyn> i don't know any to recommend. i remmebher that the city of munich in germany migrated much of their predominently windows infeastructure to linux, and they wrote down how they did it, and which considerations and compromises they made. it should be available online and for free, probably also available in english, since the free software foundation supported it.
[11:31] <ramikilany> ok dear
[11:31] <ramikilany> many thanks Tom and see you again soon :)
[11:31] <tomreyn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux
[11:31] <tomreyn> note i have no first hand experience with such migrations, you'll probably find someone else who has here.
[11:31] <tomreyn> see you soon
[11:32] <ramikilany> many thanks for your help
[11:32] <ramikilany> it was very helpful
[11:32] <ramikilany> and i will check the link
[11:32] <ramikilany> start reading from now
[11:42] <CrazyTux> hello..
[11:42] <xXEoflaOEXx> Hello CrazyTux.
[11:42] <CrazyTux> I read somewhere that Ubuntu is going MS way. What does that mean?
[11:43] <Ben64> what is "MS way"
[11:43] <xXEoflaOEXx> CrazyTux, that means Ubuntu developers is going to the Microsoft way.
[11:43] <CrazyTux> Don't know.
[11:43] <Ben64> then it's not real
[11:43] <CrazyTux> What does that mean to us the users?
[11:43] <CrazyTux> ok. Thank god.
[11:52] <BL4DE> yay another set of RAM just arrived
[11:54] <BL4DE> this time ordered corsair ram from newegg. hopefully it's not chinese knock off
[11:54] <tomreyn> !ot | BL4DE
[11:54] <tomreyn> !ot | BL4DE
[11:54] <tomreyn> !ot > BL4DE
[11:54] <BL4DE> sorry wrong tab
[11:55] <tomreyn> ok ;)
[12:15] <hiyosilver> Hi, good morning, could someone show me the default echo $LS_COLORS in query, please?
[12:16] <EriC^^> hiyosilver: http://termbin.com/qsgz
[12:16] <hiyosilver> EriC^^: thank u man.
[12:16] <EriC^^> hiyosilver: no problem
[12:20] <n4h0> my ubuntu desktop is not working what shall i do?
[12:20] <praisethemoon> n4h0, explain, what's wrong exactly?
[12:23] <xXEoflaOEXx> n4h0, Try to explain what is wrong, including Actual Results, Expected results, Description, etc.
[12:24] <n4h0> the desktop doesnot show folders
[12:25] <EriC^^> n4h0: is nautilus running? try pgrep nautilus
[12:25] <xXEoflaOEXx> n4h0, Do you mean: When starting up Ubuntu desktop, Then it is Nautilus.
[12:26] <tomreyn> "Quit: Leaving"
[12:26] <tomreyn> \o/
[12:29] <esprimo> I have trouble setting a different keyboard layout on two different keyboards. Running i3wm ubuntu 14.04.5. What I'm trying: https://pastie.se/691246cd
[12:30] <xXEoflaOEXx> esprimo, Is it on Ubuntu Desktop, or just Ubuntu server?
[12:30] <esprimo> xXEoflaOEXx: desktop
[12:33] <Status> anyone here running ajenti panel?
[12:36] <zxzfpehu> hello
[12:36] <v_> здорово
[12:47] <MonkeyDust> !find ajenti
[12:47] <k1l_> ppa
[12:48] <netcrime> Hi. I'm getting error TypeError: 'Jobs' instance expected, got <Jobs: Jobs object>
[12:48] <netcrime>   I'm passing result from get_or_create function. I thought get_or_create returns instance. Any idea why this happens ?
[12:51] <Guest54537> бабы русские есть
[12:52] <MonkeyDust> !ru
[12:53] <ppf> netcrime: some context please?
[12:54] <netcrime> ppf: ahh I found the mistake.. wrong model description
[12:55] <Status> MonkeyDust you running ajenti?
[12:57] <lana> Hi how do i stop grub appearing on startup??
[12:57] <lana> I remember i changed it so i see it every time
[12:57] <ppf> lana: modify /etc/default/grub
[12:57] <lana> But i forgot what i did so now i want it to disappear
[12:58] <lana> ppf: what do i need to modify??? I forgot what change i made, i think i put # i
[12:58] <Status> timeout...
[12:58] <lana> in front of something
[12:59] <EriC^^> lana: yes, remove the #
[12:59] <ppf> lana: info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'
[12:59] <ppf> for a full documentation on the various options
[12:59] <EriC^^> in front of GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT or so
[13:01] <Fluub_> Hello, I am stuck in a login loop with my main user since tuesay, I can log on newly created accounts, in guest mode and in non-graphic mode, I reinstalled Unity then switched to gnome but I am still unable to login on my main account.
[13:01] <Fluub_> Which logfiles should I look for ?
[13:01] <Fluub_> Please
[13:02] <hwpplayer1> ubuntu documentation page is now up and running again
[13:02] <EriC^^> Fluub_: take a look at ~/.Xauthority 's owner
[13:03] <Fluub_> Thanks
[13:03] <EriC^^> no problem
[13:07] <Fluub_> EriC^^ root is the owner, It should be user ?
[13:08] <lana> What command do i use to open grub file in terminal??
[13:08] <lana> I looked on internet and im confused which one to use
[13:09] <Status> nano ?
[13:09] <lana> What is fhe exact command
[13:09] <BluesKaj> lana, sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[13:09] <lana> Thank u
[13:16] <MonkeyDust> or sudo -e
[13:18] <bum> How to dual boot
[13:19] <bum> Which are options
[13:20] <MonkeyDust> !dualboot | bum start here
[13:23] <bum> MonkeyDust: why windows should be installed first?
[13:23] <bum> Windows after Ubuntu not possible?
[13:26] <MonkeyDust> bum  windows will ruin your GRUB, it can be repaired, but it's a pain
[13:26] <g105b> My laptop doesn't have a menu key. Can someon help me reconfigure CTRL+PrtSc to become Menu?
[13:26] <MonkeyDust> bum  hence, 'first win, then lin'
[13:28] <bum> Grub don't have alternative? MonkeyDust
[13:28] <pandorabox> Hola
[13:29] <g105b> Can anybody tell me the command I can bind to my button of choice that will perform the same action as pressing the menu key? For those who don't know the menu key, it is usually next to the right super key, and pressing it opens a context menu of what the text cursor is over (not just right click).
[13:29] <MonkeyDust> bum  sure, but I have never tried them ... http://askubuntu.com/questions/354322/what-are-different-bootloaders-available-for-ubuntu
[13:30] <bum> The link writer have not tried them?
[13:30] <light0> Does anyone use 'qemu' extensively?
[13:30] <k1l_> bum: any reason not to use grub?
[13:32] <bum> k1l_:  as it don't allow Linux first
[13:35] <ioria> g105b, idk what menukey is. but if the problem is PrintScreen , just install 'scrot' and make a custom shortcut in SystemSettings->Keyboard->Shortcuts->CustomShortcuts
[13:35] <k1l_> bum: i dont understand. grub is a bootloader that can load all other OSs, too.
[13:35] <g105b> ioria: I've got the keyboard shortcut configuration tool open, but I don't know how to configure any key to send the menu key.
[13:36] <g105b> ioria: To get the key code, I opened the on-screen keyboard and pressed _its_ menu key. It's keycode 135 (keysym 0xff67, Menu)
[13:37] <ioria> g105b, you press '+' then enter the name and the command (e.g. scrot) . then you keep pressing to the right and in the same time type e.g. 'Alt' and 'k'
[13:38] <g105b> ioria: I know how to bind commands to keys, but I don't know what command I need to send a keycode.
[13:39] <ioria> g105b,  scrot, for example (you might need to install it)
[13:39] <g105b> oh, scrot is for sending keycodes?
[13:39] <ioria> g105b,  the pic will be in you home dir with date and jpeg ext
[13:39] <Random832> g105b, what are you trying to do exactly?
[13:40] <g105b> Random832: I have no menukey on my laptop, but use the menukey a lot when typing. I don't use print screen, so I thought I could re-map the printscreen key to become the menukey.
[13:40] <Random832> if the problem is that you need to open a context menu with a keyboard, and your keyboard doesn't have the menu key, many applications use shift-f10.
[13:41] <Random832> or you could change the definition of the key itself with xmodmap or xkb
[13:49] <bum> k1l_: MonkeyDust> bum  windows will ruin your GRUB, it can be repaired, but it's a pain
[13:49] <k1l_> bum: if you want to  boot ubuntu on a dualboot you need grub.
[13:51] <bum> I want to install Ubuntu first
[13:51] <bum> And then windows
[13:51] <BlueShark> I'm having issues when copying/replacing/moving files in Ubuntu 16.10. Was nautilus updated? This file queuing thing is weird and behaves abnormally. Anyone facing similar issues?
[13:51] <bum> He said there'll be issue
[13:51] <MonkeyDust> bum  great, but then you'll have more work
[13:51] <bum> Is this only way to dual boot? MonkeyDust
[13:52] <BlueShark> bum: you'll need to fix your grub if you install Ubuntu first and then Windows.
[13:52] <MonkeyDust> !grubrepair | bum
[13:52] <k1l_> bum: then after installed windows boot the live-ubuntu again and repair grub.
[13:53] <BlueShark> bum: either order is fine - just keep in mind that windows bootloader removes grub (ubuntu's boot manager) - but if you install Ubuntu first, it intelligently detects windows as previously installed and does stuff
[13:54] <MonkeyDust> bum  why do you want to hard way, even when you know the easy way?
[13:54] <MonkeyDust> s/to/the
[13:54] <bum> MonkeyDust: that's what I love
[13:54] <bum> And use to learn things
[13:55] <bum> Which are other ways of dual booting?
[13:55] <MonkeyDust> bum  fair enough, start here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows?action=show&redirect=RestoreGrub
[13:55] <k1l_> bum: install windows, shrink windows partition, install ubuntu, done
[13:57] <bum> Why to shrink? k1l_
[13:58] <BluesKaj> bum, do you know how to partition a hdd?
[13:58] <bum> Nope BluesKaj
[13:58] <bum> OK so you mean 2 ways?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> !partition
[13:59] <bum> 1) create separate partition
[13:59] <bum> 2) shrink existing partition
[13:59] <bum> Right?
[13:59] <MonkeyDust> bum  you like the hard way ... instead of asking all these tons of questions, use your time to start installations and learn from the experience
[14:00] <bum> MonkeyDust: I don't have hardware nor
[14:00] <bum> Now
[14:00] <k1l_> bum: you dont even want to install?
[14:00] <bum> I want
[14:00] <bum> But not now
[14:01] <BluesKaj> partitioning before installing is usually best for dual booting windows and linux
[14:01] <k1l_> bum: if you install windows to a new system, it wants to use all the hdd as standard. you can still create partitions before and direkt windows to use that.
[14:01] <bum> BluesKaj: what's second best method
[14:02] <bum> Is there any third method of dual boot?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> bum i don't settle for 2nd best
[14:02] <bum> I do
[14:02] <bum> And try all possible method
[14:02] <BluesKaj> the do some research
[14:03] <BluesKaj> then
[14:03] <bum> This is part of research
[14:04] <BluesKaj> well, good luck then
[14:05] <k1l_> bum: the easiest method is to install windows, then install ubuntu (ubuntu installer offers to install besides windows). done.
[14:06] <bum> Next method
[14:06] <k1l_> bum: all other setups, if you make partitions first, or if you install ubuntu first and then have to repair grub, its your choice. there are hundrets of possible ways. if you dont know why you want one specific way, use 1st method
[14:09] <BluesKaj> !dualboot | bum
[14:10] <xenialuser> can't suspend my machine ubuntu 16.04, any settings i should check?
[14:10] <_4d47> I'm trying to compile some packages and i keep running in missing libraries (even if they are installed) i remember reading it was because libs are now in x86_64-linux-gnu but can't find it anymore. anybody has infos?
[14:14] <IrcDroidClient> when i connect to internet,in the path who are able to get my MAC address information?
[14:15] <IrcDroidClient> the police?isp?icp?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> _4d47, is it necessary to compile, have you checked the package manager for the app(s)
[14:16] <BluesKaj> _4d47, ?
[14:16] <_4d47> BluesKaj: yes for one there is no package and for the other it's older version
[14:16] <BluesKaj> what about git?
[14:17] <_4d47> yes got the sources with git
[14:18] <IrcDroidClient> anyone know although its not a ubuntu issue
[14:18] <MonkeyDust> IrcDroidClient  for general linux questions, type   /j ##linux
[14:20] <xenialuser> unable to suspend my machine, any settings to check?
[14:22] <ubuntu375> Hi guys..  I have a problem with a UOA account I can't locate or remove.  keeps giving me an error in Evolution.  anyone have any ideas please?
[14:23] <binarydepth> xenialuser chekc this link http://askubuntu.com/questions/866505/how-to-take-shutdown-suspend-off-the-main-menu
[14:25] <xenialuser> binarydepth - i have the option, but when selected machine does not suspend, flickers and screen is ON again
[14:25] <linux_> Hi, I'm using kubuntu 16.10 and there is a problem which is when I watch video on youtube or another website the processor temperature increases and the fan be noisy.
[14:25] <linux_> why ?
[14:26] <linux_> I installed intel graphics driver fom 01.org
[14:27] <linux_> but the problem didn't solve
[14:28] <linux_> any help or advice..
[14:31] <linux_> Is there anyone has read my letters?
[14:31] <linux_> !!
[14:34] <BluesKaj> linux_, did you install the i915 driver?
[14:34] <linux_> BluesKaj No
[14:36] <ubuntu375> any Evolution wizards on here?
[14:37] <ubuntu> server 192.251.68.249
[14:39] <BluesKaj> linux_, install xserver-xorg-video-intel driver
[14:39] <SchrodingersScat> !ask | ubuntu375
[14:41] <linux_> BluesKaj it is installed by default.
[14:41] <ubuntu375> SchrodingersScat I asked a question which has scrolled off the top of the screen with all the people joining and leaving..
[14:44] <ubuntu375> SchrodingersScat and the new people joined do not know the the question I asked...
[14:44] <BluesKaj> linux_, the default driver is the same one as you downloaded and installed from  01.org
[14:45] <BluesKaj> it's i915
[14:46] <cipher6> So i've installed Python 3.6,
[14:46] <cipher6> but when I run which python, or just python, it says 2.7
[14:46] <cipher6> how can i specify my new install?
[14:46] <plasticfish> python3
[14:47] <linux_> BluesKaj I will try install the other files from 01.org , thank you mr BluesKaj
[14:47] <linux_> bye
[14:49] <bum> When word burning is used
[14:49] <bum> Instead of copy and paste
[14:49] <cipher6> Oh, cool. thanks plasticfish
[14:49] <SchrodingersScat> ubuntu375: then you either want !details or !patience
[14:50] <k1l_> bum: it means, that you cant just copy the files to the usb drive. you need to make a bootable usb.
[14:50] <bum> k1l_: so when burning term is used it means something is going to be bootable
[14:51] <bum> ?
[14:51] <bum> Which kind of files can't be copied and needs burning?
[14:52] <k1l_> bum: .iso files. its an analogy to burning a cd/dvd
[14:53] <marekw2143> hi, how can i find out if I've isntalled xubuntu or lubuntu ?
[14:53] <ubuntu375> SchrodingersScat I have had patience while watching all the joins and parts do I asked for details of anyone that was in here regarding the application causing me problems.  I don't have time to sit and watch the 100's of people on here ignore each other.  This is not the LInux community I joined 20 years ago.
[14:54] <bum> k1l_: any other files except .ISO which needs burning
[14:54] <bum> ?
[14:54] <SchrodingersScat> !details | ubuntu375 right, which is why you shouldn't vaguely ask if anyone knows /something/ about software that you're using.
[14:55] <k1l_> bum: you seem to be on the wrong path with that question. if you want to make a ubuntu installation cd/dvd or usb, you need to "burn" it.
[14:55] <plasticfish> bum, you start with an .iso file which is a compressed file, like a zip, and if you copy it to a dvd it will not boot. So you have to burn the dvd, like extracting the .iso file into the dvd, you can achieve this with a dvd writer, it has a special option for .iso
[14:56] <ubuntu375> SchrodingersScat I did when I joined.  I was brought up in a world of IRC where you don't spam the same messages all the time.  and I don't know why you have to echo everything through your bot.
[14:56] <bum> k1l_: Ubuntu installation is always in .ISO format?
[14:56] <plasticfish> you can also do the same using a usb drive
[14:56] <k1l_> bum: for pc/laptop, yes.
[14:56] <plasticfish> bum, yes.
[14:57] <k1l_> bum: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[14:57] <ubuntu375> anyway, it is obvious that no one on here can answer my question.  back to the forums...
[14:57] <bum> k1l_: what about except pc/laptop
[14:57] <SchrodingersScat> ubuntu375: oh, k, didn't realize you were such an expert, giving details like, "keeps giving me an error in Evolution." and letting us guess at what the error could be.
[14:58] <k1l_> bum: for arm devices thats different and needs to be answered device specific.
[14:59] <bum> Ok
[14:59] <bum> Is this process same for Windows or other os except Ubuntu?
[14:59] <yabbah> I try to get rtorrent + rutorrent to work, but how can I check if port 5000 is open for connection in ubuntu?
[14:59] <marekw2143> is it difficult to istall xfce on lubuntu ?
[14:59] <plasticfish> bum, all linux distributions use .iso
[15:00] <ubuntu375> SchrodingersScat, the key phrase here is "I have a problem with a UOA account I can't locate or remove." anyone with any education would figure out that the UOA account is giving the error.
[15:00] <SchrodingersScat> ubuntu375: don't let me stop you
[15:00] <SchrodingersScat> marekw2143: should be as simple as sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop
[15:00] <k1l_> bum: for other OS better ask the support how you can create a bootable medium for that OS.
[15:00] <plasticfish> bum, an .iso is just a image of a group of files that you can use to make an exact copy of a dvd
[15:01] <marekw2143> SchrodingersScat, ok, but then I'll get exactly same desktop as Xubuntu has?
[15:01] <bum> plasticfish: what's meaning of boot able disk? In general
[15:02] <SchrodingersScat> marekw2143: I'm not that familiar with lubuntu, but in the boot screen it should then give you the option to boot into xfce, and yes afaik it should be approximately the same as installing xubuntu.
[15:02] <EriC^^> bum: it means there's a partition table with 55aa at the end of it, and a boot code in the mbr that does something
[15:02] <plasticfish> bum, if you have a dvd with something in it (like music) you can make an .iso file of it, and then use it to make exact copies of that dvd
[15:03] <bum> OK explain me how to make .ISO of music
[15:03] <bum> Files
[15:03] <ubuntu375> obviously respect in IRC channels has taken a nose dive since I was last here, and my question cant be answered.  I will bid you all farewell and good luck..  looks like you will need it...
[15:03] <plasticfish> bum, first you have to use a dvd recording software, there you have the option to create an .iso
[15:03] <BluesKaj> another satisfied customer  :-)
[15:03] <bum> What's partition table? EriC^^
[15:04] <EriC^^> bum: what are you trying to do exactly?
[15:04] <bum> What's boot code and mbr
[15:04] <bum> Learning
[15:04] <EriC^^> ah ok
[15:05] <bum> plasticfish: once ISO is created
[15:05] <ja__> hi
[15:05] <bum> How to burn then?
[15:05] <ja__> i have a little problem with
[15:05] <ja__> how can i inser my user into sudoers
[15:05] <ja__> ?
[15:05] <bum> Will it need another software?
[15:05] <marekw2143> and will adding lxde to xubuntu add some options to menu?
[15:05] <kiraro> I was finally able to connect. x.x I've been trying to use HexChat and whatnot to get help setting up a VPN
[15:06] <EriC^^> ja__: add him to the sudo group
[15:06] <plasticfish> bum, you simply open the recording software and choose burn .is
[15:06] <EriC^^> ja__: sudo adduser <user> sudo
[15:06] <plasticfish> .iso
[15:06] <bum> OK that will create ISO right?
[15:07] <EriC^^> bum: the arch wiki has a ton of info about partitioning and such stuff
[15:07] <ja__> thanks eric
[15:07] <ja__> i works
[15:07] <bum> Now that iso needs to be burn on separate DVD or USB right?
[15:07] <plasticfish> bum, no, that will 'burn' the .iso to the dvd
[15:07] <bum> For distribution
[15:07] <EriC^^> ja__: great, no problem
[15:07] <kiraro> Anyone able to point me in the right direction here?
[15:08] <bum> But my initial question was how to create .iso ? plasticfish
[15:08] <bum> That software will do both?
[15:08] <plasticfish> bum, yes the .iso can't be used as is. It must be burned into something
[15:08] <bum> Iso creation and burning?
[15:08] <plasticfish> bum, yes
[15:08] <bum> So every similar software does both?
[15:08] <bum> Creation and burning?
[15:09] <plasticfish> bum, if you plan to use a DVD
[15:09] <bum> Whether it's Rufus or DVD writer or something else
[15:09] <bum> Right?
[15:09] <plasticfish> I only use linux software, but I think so
[15:10] <bum> So Rufus?
[15:10] <kiraro> I personally used Rufus to install my current Ubuntu version
[15:10] <plasticfish> bum, if you plan to burn to a usb drive, you should use the given link
[15:11] <bum> Will that link work if I want to create iso file of music files and want to burn to usb disk?
[15:11] <bum> plasticfish:
[15:12] <plasticfish> nope
[15:12] <plasticfish> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[15:12] <milzaustralia> hi
[15:12] <milzaustralia> any1 on
[15:12] <bum> What about music files plasticfish
[15:13] <SchrodingersScat> bum: if you simply want files on a disk, you can use brasero
[15:13] <plasticfish> bum, thats used to create a bootable usb stick
[15:13] <plasticfish> music is not bootable
[15:13] <milzaustralia> talkin about bootable disks
[15:13] <kiraro> How would I set up HexChat (or some other IRC app on Ubuntu) to connect to openvpn support?
[15:13] <_4d47> BluesKaj: just for the records, pkg-config was showing LinuxBrew in my search path, i uninstalled it and everything works now
[15:13] <milzaustralia> what's the boot directory look like for windows 7? o.o
[15:13] <milzaustralia> saying i need to make it lowercase
[15:14] <EriC^^> milzaustralia: what?
[15:14] <bum> Brasero can burn any kind of iso file? Either music or video etc.? Is it limited for usb disk only?
[15:14] <bum> plasticfish:
[15:14] <bum> SchrodingersScat:
[15:14] <w_larsen> id alive32
[15:15] <w_larsen> great
[15:15] <SchrodingersScat> bum: brasero can make a data disk, it wouldn't care what the files are
[15:15] <royal_screwup21> Hey guys!
[15:15] <Dave_Elec> Guys i have accidentally deleted files with filename containing opencv and i have reinstalled opencv but videos does not display image except vlc. anyone with a fix?
[15:16] <SchrodingersScat> bum: if you're trying to get playback on something specific, like a cd or dvd player, then you need to be more specific, but brasero can handle audio too, and then there's tools to author dvd disks
[15:16] <milzaustralia> im following this guide to make a win7 bootable usb cos ubuntu's not recognising cds, and i just formated to ntcs or something, and copied the files over after clean wiping it to all 0's... and the guide is saying to make sure once it's all copied to look for the boot directory file in the root usb folder and make sure it's lowercase and not upercase, im looking at a lot of uppercase files some text and a few folders and am utter
[15:16] <milzaustralia> dont want to stuff it up lol
[15:16] <milzaustralia> i like ubuntu but im using wine to run a java game and yeah... headaches....
[15:17] <bum> Brasero works on Windows too? plasticfish
[15:17] <bum> SchrodingersScat:
[15:17] <Dave_Elec>  Guys i have accidentally deleted files with filename containing opencv and i have reinstalled opencv but videos does not display image except vlc. anyone with a fix?
[15:17] <SchrodingersScat> bum: not sure, this is #ubuntu support, windows is a failed experiment.
[15:17] <EriC^^> milzaustralia: you'd have better luck asking in #windows about it
[15:17] <milzaustralia> oh ok thanks lol
[15:18] <milzaustralia> promise ill come back to ubuntu :p
[15:18] <ShishKabab> My Ubuntu installation hangs during boot at the splash screen: no animation, no response. How can I see the messages during boot until it hangs?
[15:19] <EriC^^> idiot
[15:19] <SchrodingersScat> page closed case closed
[15:19] <bum> SchrodingersScat: brasero creat iso and burns also?
[15:19] <emper0r> ShishKabab: try to use dmes
[15:20] <emper0r> ShishKabab: try to use dmesg
[15:20] <emper0r> with that can see whole running boot of kernel
[15:20] <EriC^^> he thinks we're sad he's leaving, not that why the heck would we know about the issue, yeah you're right though
[15:20] <royal_screwup21> I'm downloading a static site featuring tutorial videos using "wget". I'm just wondering: upon completion of the download, will I be able to watch the videos while off-line?
[15:21] <SchrodingersScat> royal_screwup21: are any of the videos going to the disk?
[15:21] <Dave_Elec>  Guys i have accidentally deleted files with filename containing opencv and i have reinstalled opencv but videos does not display image except vlc. anyone with a fix?
[15:21] <ShishKabab> emper0r: It hangs before I get a shell  :(
[15:22] <emper0r> ShishKabab: oh sorry .. so it could be a hardware issue
[15:22] <royal_screwup21> SchrodingersScat:  Yeah, probably, the website's going to be stored in the form of files on my hard disk, so yeah
[15:22] <SchrodingersScat> bum: yes, I just installed it and it can do this.
[15:22] <ShishKabab> emper0r: That's what I'm fearing, but recovery mode boots fine.
[15:23] <emper0r> ShishKabab: in recovery modes can use dmesg and see maybe the problem
[15:23] <SchrodingersScat> royal_screwup21: double check, wget doesn't always follow all links depending on your settings.  youtube-dl is also a handy tool if you're after the videos.
[15:23] <emper0r> o/
[15:23] <bum> SchrodingersScat: it can do both activity?
[15:24] <ShishKabab> emper0r: I tried removing quiet and splash from the kernel boot params, but it still shows no messages. If I boot in recovery and nothing goes wrong, maybe the error won't show up- in dmesg?
[15:24] <SchrodingersScat> bum: yep, brasero will let you throw random files into an .iso, then you can save that to burn to disks later
[15:24] <k1l_> !codecs | Dave_Elec
[15:24] <royal_screwup21> SchrodingersScat: Hmm, but the videos aren't up on youtube, so I don't think youtube-dl will work (will it?).
[15:24] <k1l_> Dave_Elec: reinstall those codecs then?
[15:25] <SchrodingersScat> royal_screwup21: beyond having additional extractors for many, many popular sites (try --list-extractors ) it also has a 'generic extractor' where it tries to find generic video and download it from given pages.
[15:25] <Dave_Elec> k1l: I have reinstalled codecs including bad but it still doesnt work
[15:26] <bum> Why you installed it now? SchrodingersScat
[15:26] <k1l_> Dave_Elec: then look at what error you get. and look at what you actually deleted manually
[15:27] <SchrodingersScat> bum: because you were asking a question and I wanted to be accurate in my response.  It's been a while since i've burned a disk so I needed to verify.  It was only 17.something megabytes that I can remove later if I don't use it.  Although I did just get a new system so I have a working burner again, and I need to make some audio cd's for my car.  Do you like those #junglebeats? Mad drums?
[15:28] <royal_screwup21> Awesome, thanks SchrodingersScat!
[15:28] <Dave_Elec> k1l_:  i tried to open mpv player with terminal and it says " Guys i have accidentally deleted files with filename containing opencv and i have reinstalled opencv but videos does not display image except vlc. anyone with a fix?"
[15:29] <SchrodingersScat> royal_screwup21: yeah, for my twitter script I try to wget the content first, and uses an if statement to use youtube-dl depending on the outcome.  if wget "$url" ; then echo "Download of $url worked" ; else youtube-dl "$url" ; fi
[15:29] <royal_screwup21> Dave_Elec: the mpv player said that? Damn, huge leap for AI with "guys".
[15:30] <SchrodingersScat> royal_screwup21: downright sexism
[15:30] <bum> SchrodingersScat: I must say thanks. I don't know what's junglebeat
[15:31] <bum> Which are alternate of brasero
[15:31] <royal_screwup21> SchrodingersScat: Ooh, that's smart! I'll do that!
[15:32] <k1l_> Dave_Elec: put the teminal outpu to paste.ubuntu.com and show the link here please.
[15:33] <royal_screwup21> SchrodingersScat: But while wget-ing, don't you change the parameters to avoid arousing suspicion of the download? I usually change the "--wait" to 20s and "--limit-rate" to about 20K
[15:33] <bum> How to boot my tablet from your Linux?
[15:36] <SchrodingersScat> royal_screwup21: you may be mildly interested in http://archiveteam.org . You can change the useragent that helps look more normal. I think it's -A 'Useragent goes here' but check the manual. Sometimes I add random sleeps to be more human...
[15:37] <SchrodingersScat> bum: there's a couple other burners, I think k3b is, but that may be more what kde uses?
[15:38] <SchrodingersScat> royal_screwup21: nope, in wget it's -U, it changes with every software :^) so wget -U 'We can do this the easy way or the hard way.' "$url"
[15:39] <bum> SchrodingersScat: why you use iso for music files or video files; simply copy and paste dont work?
[15:40] <SchrodingersScat> bum: no, not at all.  I don't use iso for that, but that seemed to be your line of questioning.
[15:41] <SchrodingersScat> bum: the only reason that I can personally think that I would need to do that would maybe be if I was passing out promotional disks out for my work and needed to burn hundreds of them, so then I could make an iso of how I want the files and then set it to burn.
[15:41] <ShishKabab> My PC hangs during boot also in recovery mode with the last boot message being 'Starting user manager for ID 1126', after it decides to start the graphical interface. What's happening?
[15:50] <bum> SchrodingersScat: how to boot your PC with remote os?
[15:52] <SchrodingersScat> bum: like a network boot? PXE?
[15:52] <bum> I am not sure what exactly those terms means
[15:52] <bum> But it something like booting via internet or network
[15:53] <bum> SchrodingersScat:
[15:53] <bum> What's pxe
[15:54] <SchrodingersScat> !pxe | bum
[15:54] <ppf> bum: boot from network
[15:55] <SchrodingersScat> bum: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/PXE-netboot-install
[15:56] <Haydar> guys do you know any channel that I can get help for i
[15:56] <Haydar> installing osx on amd based computersa?
[15:56] <SchrodingersScat> !alis
[15:56] <k1l_> Haydar: use the alis called search bot for freenode
[15:56] <Haydar> thanks
[15:56] <SchrodingersScat> that sounds like a world of pain
[15:56] <Haydar> yes but I'll try it :)
[16:03] <Haydar> join #mac
[16:03] <SchrodingersScat> /join #mac
[16:03] <Haydar> didn't worked so I think it only accepts mac users :D
[16:05] <SchrodingersScat> Haydar: oh, they want you to join ##mac because it's unofficial
[16:05] <Haydar> Okay I'll try that instead
[16:06] <Haydar> Ubuntu chat is way more cooler then others. Since 2007 I always find you guys more helpful then every other chat room :)
[16:06] <Haydar> I meant ubuntu community
[16:07] <SchrodingersScat> wish you could tell that to the other guy :^)
[16:08] <Haydar> he must be impatient to not see th
[16:08] <Haydar> this
[16:08] <SchrodingersScat> quite
[16:15] <Haydar> they banned me from ##mac channel lol
[16:15] <Haydar> just because I asked
[16:23] <terrible> someone can help me with plexmediaserver??
[16:23] <ducasse> Haydar: probably bacuse what you're asking to do is a breach of the licence
[16:35] <Guest61019> guys, could I get an IDE suggestion for c++ programming? i've been eyeing kdevelop but I'd prefer something that integrates better with gnome
[16:42] <terrible> someone can help me with plexmediaserver??
[16:43] <who> what is your problem?
[16:53] <who> :-)
[16:55] <elias_a> terrible: Stop using it if it causes bad problems. :P
[16:59] <CrazyTux> hello, how is Ubuntu in comparison to Fedora in security and stability?
[16:59] <terrible> who, the problem is when i disable the service plexmediaserver on auto startup the server crash and give me a error everytime the system boot up and it keep appear on the list of all the service
[17:05] <getit> How do I monitor the progress of dd after I run the command?
[17:05] <getit> I forgot to do status=progress
[17:07] <deww> moongazer: kill -USR1 $(pgrep ^dd) from http://askubuntu.com/questions/215505/how-do-you-monitor-the-progress-of-dd
[17:07] <moongazer> deww: would it stop my process?!
[17:09] <deww> moongazer: read about it here http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/163060/what-does-the-command-pkill-usr1-n-x-dd-mean-exactly
[17:10] <moongazer> deww: thank you
[17:10] <moongazer> deww: will using dd work? I am trying to create a bootable drive
[17:10] <moongazer> on ubuntu for windows
[17:10] <moongazer> usb
[17:13] <deww> moongazer: not 100% sure on that.
[17:14] <moongazer> Oh god
[17:14] <Random832> moongazer, is the image you are writing designed to be used as a bootable USB drive?
[17:14] <Random832> you can't just do any ISO.
[17:14] <Random832> even if it's bootable as a CD
[17:17] <moongazer> Random832: ok
[17:17] <moongazer> I just made a damn mistake great
[17:17] <moongazer> and wasted half an hour
[17:17] <bombsl> how can i load a ELF file into memory
[17:17] <Random832> moongazer, no you still need the iso
[17:18] <Random832> look at https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu
[17:19] <Random832> it's just that dd only works if the image is designed to work that way, others need special tools to translate it to a bootable USB drive
[17:19] <moongazer> Random832: yes.
[17:19] <Random832> or did you let dd itself run for half an hour?
[17:19] <moongazer> Random832: my dd is currently copying a an image with DVD ISO written on it :(
[17:20] <moongazer> Random832: sad
[17:20] <Random832> (did you forget block size parameters? it shouldn't take nearly that long anyway)
[17:20] <moongazer> Random832: what do I  do now....................
[17:20] <Random832> dd by default copies only half a kb at a time
[17:20] <Random832> well what ISO is it? maybe it is compatible anyway
[17:20] <moongazer> Random832: :(
[17:21] <moongazer> Random832: Random832 half a byte:(
[17:21] <moongazer> Random832: 3094692352 bytes (3.1 GB, 2.9 GiB) co3094692352 bytes (3.1 GB, 2.9 GiB) copied, 1720 s, 1.8 MB/spied, 1720 s, 1.8 MB/s
[17:21] <moongazer> Random832: what does that 3.1 GB, 2.9 GB mean
[17:21] <moongazer> Why two vals
[17:22] <moongazer> Random832: gotta try it now
[17:22] <moongazer> bye
[17:22] <mmiller131> Does anyone know why I have gnome-xchat instead of xchat installed
[17:23] <mmiller131> I normally use just xchat
[17:23] <ducasse> mmiller131: the first is GB, the second GiB
[17:23] <xXEoflaOEXx> mmiller131, did you do: sudo apt-get install gnome-xchat?
[17:23] <mmiller131> no
[17:24] <mmiller131> I add a repository sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ken-vandine/xchat-gnome
[17:24] <mmiller131> then did an update
[17:25] <xXEoflaOEXx> mmiller131, Search for PPA regarding xchat, and not gnome-xchat.
[17:26] <moongazer> Random832, hey
[17:26] <moongazer> Random832, it said missing operating system
[17:26] <moongazer> Random832, so I rebooted to linux and came back here.
[17:28] <moongazer> Random832, help
[17:30] <moongazer> Anyone else/
[17:33] <Guest55086> need help with centos.
[17:34] <mmiller131> no luck
[17:34] <EriC^^> moongazer: what iso is it?
[17:34] <Guest55086> network driver jmicron
[17:34] <Guest55086> not installed so no internetthere
[17:34] <EriC^^> the 2 values are GiB and gb, GB=1000MB, GiB=1024MB
[17:35] <mmiller131> what is the ppa for xchat
[17:35] <mmiller131> anyone
[17:35] <Guest55086> need help with centos.
[17:36] <xXEoflaOEXx> Guest55086, This is the Ubuntu support and not CentOS support channel.
[17:36] <marekw2143> hi, while scrolling in firefox, using lubuntu, there are some artifacts
[17:36] <moongazer> EriC^^, windows 7
[17:36] <marekw2143> i have nvidia 7025/nForce 630
[17:36] <marekw2143> 630a
[17:36] <marekw2143> how to fix that?
[17:36] <EriC^^> moongazer: that iso won't work with dd, try "winusb" hold on
[17:36] <Guest55086> xXEoflaOEXx: they dont have channel I can get till now
[17:37] <EriC^^> moongazer: which ubuntu version are you using?
[17:38] <xXEoflaOEXx> Guest55086, then use redhat support channel.
[17:39] <EriC^^> moongazer: check the 2nd answer here http://askubuntu.com/questions/289559/how-can-i-create-a-windows-bootable-usb-stick-using-ubuntu
[17:40] <moongazer> EriC^^, 16.04 lts
[17:40] <EriC^^> moongazer: ok check the 2nd answer
[17:42] <belcebu> hi
[17:42] <xXEoflaOEXx> belcebu, hi
[17:42] <tomreyn> mmiller131: xchat is dead, use hexchat (a fork of xchat)
[17:43] <Americanu> hello there
[17:43] <xXEoflaOEXx> Americanu, Hello
[17:44] <Americanu> can somebody help me with an issue
[17:44] <mmiller131> nice
[17:44] <Americanu> if you guys can obviously
[17:44] <COSL04X> shoot
[17:44] <xXEoflaOEXx> mmiller131, xchat is old, therefore use HexChat.
[17:44] <Americanu> is a usb flash drive 3.0 supported on ubuntu ?
[17:44] <COSL04X> yes
[17:44] <Americanu> does it support it out of the box ?
[17:44] <COSL04X> its more to do with the kernel not ubuntu directly
[17:45] <Americanu> because i have an empty usb flash drive formatted in fat32 but its not recognising
[17:45] <Americanu> im using a live cd btw, atm
[17:45] <moongazer> EriC^^, I have an ordinary bios
[17:45] <troy1> Is there a way to allow all users to read/write to my external mounted drive.. /media/external it seems really weird and very annoying like permissions change by itself
[17:45] <CrazyTux> What's the difference between Ubuntu and Fedora?
[17:45] <moongazer> EriC^^, not UEFI
[17:45] <COSL04X> how did you format it ?
[17:45] <Americanu> i used the format option because my main os is w10
[17:45] <EriC^^> troy1: what filesystem is being mounted?
[17:45] <COSL04X> run a "fdisk -l"
[17:45] <COSL04X> see if you see the drive at all
[17:45] <xXEoflaOEXx> CrazyTux, Ubuntu is made out of Debian, while Fedora is made out of Red Hat.
[17:45] <troy1> EriC^^: ext4
[17:46] <CrazyTux> ok
[17:46] <Americanu> its only showing some ram and the main usb that im booting ubuntu from, and the HDD
[17:46] <EriC^^> troy1: you'd have to chmod 777 the filesystem
[17:46] <COSL04X> If you have a normal USB controller and running LTS you sould see it
[17:46] <EriC^^> moongazer: follow the guide for msdos
[17:46] <Americanu> its the one from the MOBO, and im using a livecd now
[17:47] <moongazer> EriC^^, help. after doing the dd thing, it says that the filesystem on the thumb drive is unknown
[17:47] <CrazyTux> is it true that if I try to access system files in Ubuntu with Windows, the files get corrupted and Ubuntu becomes unusable?
[17:47] <Americanu> i dont have ubuntu installed yet as i want to install it on the usb stick itself
[17:47] <EriC^^> moongazer: make a fresh partition table using gparted
[17:47] <troy1> EriC^^: i have a feeling that it will default because on reboot mount
[17:47] <moongazer> EriC^^, It won't let me unmount the drive
[17:47] <xXEoflaOEXx> CrazyTux, Never edit Ubuntu files with Windows, Yes, Ubuntu will be corrupted if you do that!
[17:47] <EriC^^> troy1: no, for ext4 it will remember them
[17:47] <COSL04X> Windows or Microsoft actually dosnt like to even acknowlegde that unix filesystems even exist
[17:48] <EriC^^> moongazer: type "lsblk" , do you see the usb there?
[17:48] <COSL04X> by defualt you souldnt be able to access a linux filesysetem on a stock windows install
[17:48] <CrazyTux> ok. Can I make the partition containing Ubuntu invisible when I log in with Windows?
[17:49] <moongazer> EriC^^, yeah it's sdb`
[17:49] <troy1> Yea you can use ext/hfs file systems on windows with third party software
[17:49] <EriC^^> CrazyTux: invisible, no, but windows can't read the ubuntu filesystem by default
[17:49] <xXEoflaOEXx> COSL04X, Yes, because Windows does not support ext4, ext3, ext2, btrfs, etc.
[17:49] <Americanu> COSL04X, i dont have ubuntu installed yet, i formated the flash drive with windows format option and im now on a live cd
[17:49] <CrazyTux> ok. Ext4 not readable on Windows?
[17:49] <xXEoflaOEXx> CrazyTux, yes.
[17:50] <EriC^^> moongazer: type "sudo umount /dev/sdb?"   (with the question mark)
[17:50] <COSL04X> its has to be a Fat varient or NTFS in order for stock Windows to read it
[17:50] <EriC^^> Americanu: does it show up when you type "sudo parted -l" ?
[17:51] <CrazyTux> ok. I have installed Windows in Virtual Box now. Need some windows based applications which I can't install and run on Ubuntu.
[17:51] <Americanu> no EriC^^  , but it does show in windows
[17:51] <COSL04X> Thats fine
[17:51] <COSL04X> A VM is a good option
[17:51] <CrazyTux> Was thinking of installing Windows in dual boot setup alongside Ubuntu.
[17:52] <EriC^^> Americanu: try to remove the usb, try a different port, and then type "dmesg | tail" and see if it says anything
[17:52] <Americanu> ok
[17:52] <COSL04X> You can but UEFI Sevure Boot can get grumpy, it only wants One OS install per Drive
[17:52] <CrazyTux> But, Ubuntu is enough for most of my needs, though.
[17:52] <COSL04X> Secure
[17:52] <Americanu> i have 2 separate usb flash drives in 2 separate usb ports in the same time EriC^^  and none of it shows up btw
[17:52] <moongazer> EriC^^, If only I had asked you earlier
[17:53] <moongazer> EriC^^, I am installing that after installing ubuntu, so grub will be lost...
[17:53] <EriC^^> moongazer: not sure what you mean
[17:54] <Americanu> EriC^^,  it shows up in the dmesg|tail
[17:54] <xXEoflaOEXx> moongazer, If you have the bootloader of GRUB, then install Windows after installing Ubuntu, the GRUB bootloader will be overwritten with the Windows Boot Manager bootloader.
[17:54] <EriC^^> Americanu: try "dmesg | tail | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link it gives you here
[17:55] <COSL04X> xXEoflaOWXx, yes it will be
[17:55] <moongazer> xXEoflaOEXx, EriC^^, and how will i recover it?>
[17:55] <EriC^^> moongazer: oh, if you have a live usb you can get ubuntu's bootloader back easily, np
[17:55] <COSL04X> windows wont care whats already there
[17:55] <Americanu> EriC^^,  http://termbin.com/phvo
[17:55] <moongazer> EriC^^, And if I don't...
[17:55] <EriC^^> moongazer: you will for sure
[17:55] <EriC^^> no worries there ;)
[17:55] <EriC^^> just make sure the live usb works, and you should be golden
[17:56] <Americanu> EriC^^,  here is the link with the same command again , and ADATA is the model of usb http://termbin.com/x2yu
[17:56] <mmiller131> this is just as wac as xchat-gnome
[17:56] <xXEoflaOEXx> moongazer, There is no way to recover, but I am sure you can make the USB bootable Ubuntu Live USB, then do sudo apt-get install grub2, then use: grub-install /dev/hdXY or /dev/sdXY, then do grub-update.
[17:57] <EriC^^> brb
[18:00] <xXEoflaOEXx> moongazer, You can check for mounted disks in: fdisk -l and post the output in pastebin.
[18:01] <EriC^^> Americanu: it looks like it picked up the 2nd usb
[18:01] <Americanu> EriC^^,  but for some aparent reason it just d/c after
[18:02] <CrazyTux> are there any disadvantages of installing an OS in Virtual Box rather than in a dual boot setup?
[18:02] <EriC^^> Americanu: do you have any other usb's you could try?
[18:02] <JonoBB> hi everyone - for some reason my network manager has stopped responding and I can't swap to other network connections (like VPN). I have rebooted, and also tried completing removing my vpn connection and recreating, but still same problem - I simply cannot swap to the VPN connection anymore
[18:02] <Americanu> EriC^^,  yes, i have two , same model
[18:02] <EriC^^> CrazyTux: less performance
[18:02] <EriC^^> Americanu: give them a shot
[18:03] <CrazyTux> how significant is the decreased performance?
[18:03] <Americanu> EriC^^, so do dmesg|tail again ?
[18:04] <EriC^^> CrazyTux: well something like gaming or cad or graphics stuff won't be possible, or it'll be very crappy
[18:04] <EriC^^> Americanu: yes
[18:05] <EriC^^> CrazyTux: dual booting is pretty easy and it's a good solution
[18:05] <CrazyTux> ok. I don't need all that, anyway. I'll continue with Virtual Box option.
[18:05] <Americanu> EriC^^,  still nothing, it shows on  the dmesg|tail but it doesnt show up anwhere else on the files foler
[18:05] <EriC^^> Americanu: does "sudo parted -l" show it?
[18:06] <CrazyTux> I just need to use MS Office and need to install some other applications in Windows, because I can't install them in Ubuntu.
[18:06] <Americanu> EriC^^,  nope
[18:06] <Americanu> only main HDD with windows and the bootable usb i have ubuntu on
[18:07] <EriC^^> Americanu: would you mind installing ubuntu on that usb?
[18:08] <Americanu> how can i install ubuntu without a livecd?
[18:08] <CrazyTux> Eric: If I have a HDD of 1TB what should be the allocation of space between Ubuntu and Windows 10?
[18:08] <EriC^^> Americanu: you can put the .iso on the windows partition, and boot the live usb you have, then in grub boot the .iso that's on windows and install to the live usb
[18:09] <COSL04X> I have not installed with mulit-os yes with LTS or newer but should show the option to install "along-side" windows and add Win to the bootload options at power-on
[18:09] <EriC^^> CrazyTux: it's totally up to you, a comfy ubuntu install would be 15-20gb without the personal files
[18:09] <Americanu> is there a video tutorial for that EriC^^  ? its a bit difficult for me to grip that haha
[18:10] <moongazer> EriC^^, how do I do it?
[18:11] <CrazyTux> Eric, I need to install some heavy applications both in Ubuntu and Windows.
[18:11] <EriC^^> Americanu: not really, but there is a page on how to boot .iso's from grub, all you need to do is press "c" in the live usb's grub and type in the commands
[18:11] <Americanu> yeah i will try that
[18:11] <EriC^^> Americanu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot#Menuentry_Example
[18:11] <Americanu> thx
[18:12] <EriC^^> moongazer: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot
[18:13] <EriC^^> CrazyTux: maybe give ubuntu about 600gb if you're always going to be using it and windows 400gb?
[18:15] <CrazyTux> Eric, ok.
[18:21] <COSL04X> i would leave some unalocated space between windows and ubuntu to leave room for either to be expanded
[18:21] <CrazyTux> ok
[18:22] <EriC^^> nah, just make windows larger if you're in doubt, you can always easily access files from ubuntu that are in windows
[18:23] <EriC^^> just my 2cents
[18:24] <CrazyTux> that would be more convenient.
[18:25] <moongazer> EriC^^, I got error 2:(
[18:26] <EriC^^> moongazer: after what command?
[18:26] <CrazyTux> thanks a lot, guys.
[18:27] <EriC^^> moongazer: you mean after booting the windows disk?
[18:27] <moongazer> EriC^^, no:(
[18:27] <moongazer> I am tired now
[18:27] <moongazer> :(
[18:27] <moongazer> EriC^^, how do I create space for a windows partition from ubuntu
[18:28] <ohnx> hi there! I have a remote server running ubuntu, and I want to run another OS on it within a VM
[18:28] <ohnx> however, I need to see what's on the screen for this vm
[18:28] <ohnx> is there a way to do this?
[18:28] <EriC^^> moongazer: boot a live usb and open gparted and shrink it
[18:29] <EriC^^> ohnx: you can ssh to it and run DISPLAY=:0 <vm program>
[18:29] <JonoBB> Hi, I'm trying to set up a new VPN Connection, but clicking on Network Manager -> VPN Connections -> Configure VPN... does not do anything (its completely unresponsive)
[18:30] <moongazer> I should shrink it ok
[18:30] <ohnx> EriC^^: I use putty, so I would need to set up x11 forwarding, right?
[18:30] <ohnx> and have xming running
[18:30] <moongazer> I have only 1 filesystem
[18:30] <moongazer> EriC^^, I have only 1 drive
[18:30] <EriC^^> ohnx: yes you'd need x11 forwarding
[18:31] <EriC^^> moongazer: ok, shrink the 1 filesystem
[18:32] <danifer> hola
[18:33] <moongazer> Can't I just do it right now
[18:33] <moongazer> EriC^^, without the live usb thing
[18:33] <moongazer> EriC^^, I don
[18:33] <moongazer> *don't have a USB UBuntu image
[18:34] <gebbione> hi folks, if i open cheese webcam booth i can see my webcam stream, but the browser cannot access it. Any suggestions?
[18:34] <EriC^^> moongazer: no you can't resize it while it's mounted, it'll ruin the filesystem
[18:34] <ohnx> what vm solutions are available?
[18:34] <ohnx> to run from command-line
[18:34] <bpj> is there a way to redirect(un-redirect) a usb port on vm focus(lose focus) in qemu+spice+virt-viewer? basically kvm switch the the keyboard based on focus?
[18:34] <EriC^^> moongazer: you need a live usb anyways if you want to restore grub later on
[18:35] <moongazer> EriC^^, But I don't have an ubuntu image
[18:36] <EriC^^> moongazer: can't you download one?
[18:36] <bpj> the functionality is already there manually, wondering if anyone's seen a way to automate it
[18:37] <moongazer> EriC^^, no:(
[18:37] <elichai2> hey
[18:37] <moongazer> EriC^^, the internet is not good at all
[18:37] <COSL04X> hey elichai2
[18:38] <elichai2> something weird, I have an encrypted ubuntu system. and after trying to move to KDE and back I now get a weird thing
[18:39] <elichai2> after I boot my system, and enter the encryption password the login doesn't work, so I switch to terminal and I see only 2 files: README.txt and Access-Your-Private-Data.Desktop
[18:39] <elichai2> and inside of it it tells me to run ecryptfs-mount-private for some reason
[18:39] <elichai2> anyone ever encountered that?
[18:39] <EriC^^> moongazer: the smallest ubuntu iso is lubuntu, the 14.04 is around 700mb i think
[18:40] <EriC^^> elichai2: did you change your user's password recently?
[18:41] <moongazer> My brain is fried I think
[18:41] <elichai2> EriC^^, yes, I thought the user password was the problem after I couldn't login
[18:42] <elichai2> why does the user password has anything to do with the encryption?
[18:42] <FManTropyx> I am uploading 16.10 (i386) to Vietnam
[18:42] <COSL04X> elichai2, most likly your home directory is also protected
[18:42] <EriC^^> elichai2: it uses it to decrypt it
[18:43] <EriC^^> elichai2: change the password back to the original one you used when you created the account
[18:43] <elichai2> EriC^^, but I have the encryption passphrase
[18:43] <elichai2> it should work?
[18:43] <elichai2> i'll try changing it
[18:43] <EriC^^> elichai2: you mean disk encryption(luks) or encrypted home dir?
[18:43] <elichai2> luks
[18:44] <elichai2> I have a luks partition with lvm that both root and swap are inside
[18:44] <EriC^^> .private in your home dir suggests home dir encryption
[18:44] <EriC^^> did you choose "encrypt home dir" in the installer?
[18:45] <elichai2> I'm pretty sure it was whole disk encryption
[18:45] <EriC^^> it can be both
[18:46] <COSL04X> EriC^^ is right, you have the op to encrpy home as well with luks too
[18:46] <EriC^^> in any case, try changing the password to the original one it might help
[18:46] <EriC^^> (if there's home dir encryption too)
[18:47] <elichai2> i'll try
[18:47] <elichai2> just run 'sudo passwd'?
[18:47] <EriC^^> no, sudo passwd <user>
[18:48] <ipwn> i had a problem with TrueCrypt, one of the volumes/partition went RAW, how can i fix it?
[18:48] <elichai2> EriC^^, and reboot, right?
[18:48] <EriC^^> elichai2: yeah
[18:51] <ipwn> i had a problem with TrueCrypt, one of the volumes/partition went RAW, how can i fix it?
[18:52] <gebbione> hi folks, if i open cheese webcam booth i can see my webcam stream, but the browser cannot access it. Any suggestions?
[18:53] <elichai2> It works!!!!
[18:54] <elichai2> now, if I want to change my password, how should I do it?
[18:54] <Guest16667> Hey guys, how do I mount my encrypted home partition from a live USB? Previously, there would be a device /dev/sd*, but now there's only sda, which is the USB disk. Where did the HDD go and it's home partition?
[18:55] <elichai2> EriC^^,
[18:57] <makova> hi
[18:57] <EriC^^> elichai2: run ecryptfs-rewrap-passphrase and set it to the new password you want to use for logging in
[18:59] <makova> seem to be immutable but are not
[18:59] <makova> the wiki ubunutu
[18:59] <makova> ubuntu
[18:59] <makova> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/+bug/1462200
[19:01] <elichai2> EriC^^, and after that change with passwd?
[19:02] <EriC^^> elichai2: yes sorry i was just thinking i should probably mention that and then you left
[19:02] <elichai2> yeah, my network driver is not very stable
[19:02] <elichai2> that is the next thing I should fix lol
[19:02] <EriC^^> :D
[19:07] <elichai2> EriC^^, thank you
[19:07] <elichai2> now, I need to go :)
[19:08] <EriC^^> elichai2: no problem, alright :)
[19:14] <makova> ok
[19:14] <makova> hi
[19:17] <lasersaber> i need something that will let me know (email me?) if my ip changes so i can connect to my remote computer. help?
[19:23] <costales> Hi! Is not here jcastro?
[19:25] <Skunk> salve
[19:25] <Skunk> mi serve una un botnet pagando
[19:25] <Skunk> contattatemi in privato
[19:29] <makova> Hi. I want to propose to myself to an Ubuntu member, but I can't edit my own wiki, it is immutable from 2 months ago: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/makova Because of this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/+bug/1462200  I think I have to belong to 2 groups (~ubuntu-etherpad & ~ubuntu-wiki-editors), but I'm still waiting an approval in both of them. @popey can you approve me in ~ubuntu-wiki-editors? @jcastro can approve me on ~ubun
[19:29] <BluesKaj> !it | Skunk
[19:32] <makova> @popey can you approve me in ~ubuntu-wiki-editors? @jcastro can approve me on ~ubuntu-etherpad? Thanks in advance!!
[19:32] <costales> @popey @jcastro @makova I confirm that, I tried to help him and he can't edit his own wiki
[19:34] <Dr_Coke> Hey BluesKaj
[19:36] <Dr_Coke> Can anybody tell me if there was a bug in ubuntu 16.04 recently
[19:37] <Dr_Coke> that would say failed to connect to mir
[19:37] <Dr_Coke> when i tried to open the terminal
[19:37] <Dr_Coke> I'm running Cinnamon
[19:37] <Dr_Coke> mint 18.1
[19:37] <MonkeyDust> Dr_Coke  don't hit enter too often
[19:37] <MonkeyDust> Dr_Coke  mint is not supported here
[19:37] <Dr_Coke> I got this error after i updated
[19:38] <BluesKaj> Dr_Coke, dunno i run KDE/plasma , still using X11
[19:38] <Dr_Coke> MonkeyDust but do you know I thought i read it on a website ubuntu had a bug like that
[19:38] <Dr_Coke> BluesKaj I was using that too man
[19:38] <MonkeyDust> Dr_Coke  source?
[19:38] <Dr_Coke> MonkeyDust I don't remember where I saw it sorry
[19:38] <fenix_peregrino> Hey guys, I was wondering if someone could tell why do I have the folders recup_dir.1 and recup_dir.2
[19:38] <fenix_peregrino> on my desktop
[19:39] <fenix_peregrino> can someone help me?
[19:39] <BluesKaj> X11 hasn't gotmuch to do with mir
[19:39] <Dr_Coke> BluesKaj I love Cinnamon but I loved KDE being able to update
[19:39] <Dr_Coke> BluesKaj I wish KDE had a more cinnamon like Start menu
[19:39] <Dr_Coke> Then KDE would be wonderful
[19:39] <Dr_Coke> or More windows 7 style start menu
[19:40] <BluesKaj> Dr_Coke, i'm not cinnamon user either
[19:40] <Dr_Coke> BluesKaj do you develop KDE at all
[19:40] <BluesKaj> Dr_Coke, i test kubuntu dev OSs
[19:40] <Dr_Coke> Ahh
[19:41] <digital_ghost> what is the difference between "shutdown" command and  "poweroff" command , In some distros for example "shutdown" command is not working
[19:42] <digital_ghost> what is the difference between "shutdown" command and  "poweroff" command , In some distros for example debian "shutdown" command is not working
[19:42] <brunobronosky> is there any reason to use /usr/sbin/service in Ubuntu 16.04?
[19:42] <makova> hi costales
[19:42] <brunobronosky> Isn't systemd using /bin/systemctl exclusively?
[19:43] <noc_> brunobronosky, backwards compatibility with scripts or sysadmins
[19:44] <brunobronosky> noc_: I don't understand that statement due to ambiguity
[19:44] <brunobronosky> For example https://docs.mongodb.com/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-ubuntu/ describes use of service instead of systemctl.
[19:45] <Ben64> brunobronosky: we can't control what 3rd parties do
[19:46] <ppf> it's for script's that still use service do manage services
[19:46] <ppf> *to
[19:46] <qay> hi, student here with ubuntu. I have a ton of pdfs from a teacher I need to study for a final in 4 weeks. I dont want to print all those pdfs but to study it from my notebook with 16.10 installed. Is there any application to highlight words, or to write a comment fixed to a certain word? note that not all of the pdfs recognize the text as text (mostly is just a scanned image and the text is an image) and ocr-ing the whole thing would ta
[19:46] <brunobronosky> I get no results from: service --status-all | grep mongo
[19:46] <brunobronosky> but I see mongo running with: systemctl --all | grep mongo
[19:46] <ppf> well then?
[19:46] <qay> each pdf file is several pages long, like 20 to 45
[19:47] <mww113> qay: I know acrobat pro has text recognition which would make them serchable
[19:47] <brunobronosky> so, to me that doesn't feel like backwards compatibility
[19:47] <ppf> gay most pdf viewers can do that
[19:47] <qay> mww113: is there nothing on the free software side?
[19:47] <ppf> i like okular
[19:47] <Ben64> brunobronosky: 3rd party packages aren't supported
[19:47] <noc_> qay, xournal?
[19:47] <mww113> qay: Just found something called PDF Studio Pro on a blog
[19:47] <ppf> right, overread that ocr question
[19:47] <mww113> maybe that will work?
[19:47] <ppf> for ocr try tesseract
[19:47] <ppf> works quite well
[19:48] <COSL04X> qay, you want to find a solid wat to "OCR" the PDFs to make them indexed and serchable
[19:48] <ppf> brunobronosky: you're mixing things up
[19:48] <brunobronosky> Ben64 what does "not supported" mean?
[19:48] <ppf> 1) there's /usr/bin/service in ubuntu to manager legacy upstart scripts
[19:48] <qay> COSL04X: ppf no ocr, I just want to highlight a word on any given pdf file
[19:48] <brunobronosky> ppf I know I am. I came here to gain clarity. I'm not bitching or requesting change.
[19:48] <ppf> 2) there's the mongodb website that has a guide for older ubuntu versions that use upstart
[19:49] <ppf> 3) there's a systemd service running mongodb
[19:49] <ppf> the three are not related
[19:49] <Ben64> brunobronosky: not supported in this channel, how can we control what mongodb does? go ask them what they're doing if you like
[19:50] <ppf> Ben64: i don't think he's looking for mongodb support
[19:50] <brunobronosky> Ben64 I don't want you to support mongodb. I want to understand how to manage services in a post-init-transitioned Ubuntu
[19:50] <ppf> then again
[19:50] <ppf> brunobronosky: what is your exact question
[19:50] <ppf> systemd is the current init system
[19:50] <Ben64> but you're asking specifically about a 3rd party package
[19:50]  * brunobronosky is not looking for support of anything but Ubuntu.
[19:51] <qay> mww113: i will follow this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/1529/how-can-i-highlight-or-annotate-pdfs
[19:51] <MonkeyDust> brunobronosky  has a 'why' question, not a 'how' question
[19:51] <Ben64> like hey i installed this package from blahblah.com, why is it doing X?
[19:51] <Ben64> how could we possibly answer that
[19:51] <ppf> Ben64: he didn't ask that
[19:51] <Ben64> basically that was the question
[19:51] <ppf> no
[19:52] <brunobronosky> MonkeyDust: yes. I want to know which/why so I can make the right decisions about all N-party packages
[19:52] <ppf> brunobronosky: if you're running something as a service, use systemd
[19:52] <brunobronosky> Ben64: allow me to start over...
[19:52] <ppf> if it isn't your service, then use whatever they ship
[19:52] <MonkeyDust> brunobronosky  that question is not for this channel
[19:52] <binaryc-> 1
[19:53] <ppf> brunobronosky: that isn't really your decision, is it?
[19:53] <brunobronosky> Hey, I think MongoDB's documentation sucks. They can go eat a bag... I'd like to know to Ubuntu way of doing things. help me understand how to recognize out of date instructions.
[19:53] <MonkeyDust> brunobronosky  https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mongodb-user
[19:53] <Ben64> ubuntu's way of doing it is installing it from ubuntu's repository
[19:54] <ppf> brunobronosky: that's easy. try the instructions and if they don't work then you know they're wrong
[19:55] <makova> #ubuntu-es
[19:56] <makova> join/@ubuntu-es
[19:56] <brunobronosky> is there anything I can do to change the direction of this conversation? I want to learn about Ubuntu. I don't want to focus on any single package. Can we do that?
[19:56] <ppf> brunobronosky: sure
[19:57] <brunobronosky> okay, so is 16.04 totally transitioned to systemd? Does it do everything with systemctl?
[19:57] <ppf> those are two different questions
[19:58] <ppf> xenial is fully transitioned to systemd
[19:58] <brunobronosky> good
[19:58] <brunobronosky> now how do I interact with systemd?
[19:58] <EriC^^> !systemd | brunobronosky this might help
[19:59] <COSL04X> yeah im still waiting for that systemd office suite :P
[20:00] <brunobronosky> background: I used debian professionally for many years, then went to a role where I supported CentOS, now I'm on Ubuntu (many LTS versions) and I'm trying to get my head straight.
[20:00] <ppf> there is little difference, really
[20:01] <brunobronosky> (I'm not sure but I think I skipped Upstart entirely.)
[20:01] <ppf> all those systems are systemd now
[20:02] <ppf> anyhow, you cant use systemctl to start/stop services
[20:02] <ppf> *can
[20:02] <ppf> sorry
[20:02] <brunobronosky> np
[20:02] <brunobronosky> don't be. you've been very helpful, ppf
[20:03] <doebi__> i plan to switch to ubuntu from debian
[20:03] <doebi__> so far i used lightdm + i3wm and i want to continue to use those. would you recommend installing desktop and replace unity with i3 or would you recommend starting bare from a server image?
[20:04] <COSL04X> I didn't use ubunutu for a LONG time, after the shady stuff they pulled in the past, when I got this System76 Laptop I left it on, so I could write a review from a out of the box experience for the average consumer who would buy this... Ubuntu has changed, its been a long and strange relationship between the two of us
[20:04] <ppf> doebi__: doesn't matter. desktop installer just comes with more preinstalled stuff
[20:04] <SuperLag> doebi__: sounds like you'd want to ask in #debian for that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:04] <ioria> doebi__, i'd say sever or mini-iso
[20:04] <ppf> SuperLag: not helping, much?
[20:05] <ppf> doebi__: that goes both ways: you can just as easily uninstall the unity stuff
[20:05] <ducasse> doebi__: i have that setup, and i use the lubuntu alternate image and just deselect lubuntu desktop
[20:05] <ppf> doebi__: as you see, dozens of different paths to the same outcome :)
[20:06] <SuperLag> ppf: I'm saying what any op would probably say. You want help with Debian, it's best to ask for that in *that* channel.
[20:06] <ppf> SuperLag: he doesn't
[20:07] <SuperLag> ppf: Okay. What does "I plan to switch from ubuntu to debian" mean to you, then?
[20:07] <ppf> SuperLag: read the question again
[20:07] <SuperLag> Finding sand. Burying head.
[20:08] <ppf> :)
[20:08] <SuperLag> my apologies
[20:08] <ppf> no worries
[20:10] <doebi__> ppf: thanks. i am aware, that multiple paths lead to a solution, just wanted to check if you guys know about common pitfalls. ;)
[20:10] <doebi__> thanks guys. :)
[20:11] <ericus> Hi guys, I'm on ubuntu 16.04, and apt-get greets me with this:
[20:12] <ericus> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:
[20:12] <ericus>  files list file for package 'plymouth' is missing final newline
[20:12] <ericus> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[20:12] <ericus> Any ideas on how to fix this?
[20:12] <MonkeyDust> ericus  next time, use a pastebin ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[20:12] <ericus> sorry
[20:12] <jatt> pastebin the whole thing
[20:12] <COSL04X> I would check your source if you changed them, and attpet to reinstall/repair the package
[20:13] <COSL04X> a full post would be nice
[20:13] <ericus> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23841481/
[20:14] <ioria> ericus,  cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/plymouth.list
[20:14] <ppf> ericus: file /var/lib/dpkg/info/plymouth.list
[20:15] <ericus> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23841488/
[20:15] <lrcaballero> ericus: as of 16.04 you no longer need to run apt-get, simply run sudo apt "install", sudo apt "update" also sudo apt "autoremove" etc.... anyways I found this that may help you...take a look https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1232143
[20:16] <ppf> lrcaballero: apt-get and apt are more or less the same thing, functionality-wise
[20:16] <ericus> sudo apt upgrade gives me the same error
[20:16] <ioria> ericus,   cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/plymouth.list | pastebinit
[20:17] <ppf> ericus: mv that files somewhere
[20:17] <ppf> that fle*
[20:17] <ppf> file
[20:17] <ppf> fingers are failing me ...
[20:17] <ericus> I pasted it ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/23841488/
[20:18] <ioria> ericus,   missing something in that
[20:18] <ioria> ericus,   as ppf said move it somewhere and reinstall
[20:18] <ericus> awesome, moving the file worked
[20:18] <ericus> thank you so much :)
[20:20] <ericus> So I wont be needing that file anymore?=
[20:20] <EriC^^> ericus: reinstalling the package should bring it back
[20:20] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install --reinstall plymouth
[20:20] <ericus> says already installed
[20:20] <ioria> ericus,   ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/plymouth.list    what it says ?
[20:21] <EriC^^> ericus: even with --reinstall ?
[20:21] <ericus> --reinstall worked, didnt think of that
[20:21] <ioria> ericus,   yep, but the question is 'why ?' :þ
[20:22] <ericus> I know
[20:22] <ericus> Could it be related to new nvidia drivers?
[20:22] <ioria> maybe
[20:22] <EriC^^> ericus: maybe the hdd is going bad?
[20:23] <ericus> I had a freeze a couple of days ago, hard reboot and forced fsck
[20:23] <ericus> so maybe
[20:25] <ioria> ericus,   or the debian repo
[20:26] <lrcaballero> ericus: here's a video on how to fix plymouth related video drivers issues...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jIegOR6A0M
[20:26] <ericus> thanks lrcaballero
[20:26] <lrcaballero> see if it helps....
[20:26] <ppf> ericus: do you still have problems with plymouth?
[20:26] <ericus> no, seems to work ok now
[20:28] <Kris> Hello
[20:28] <Kris> Anyone here?
[20:28] <ericus> Yes
[20:28] <EriC^^> !ask | Kris
[20:36] <JonoBB> Hi, I'm trying to set up a new VPN Connection, but clicking on Network Manager -> VPN Connections -> Configure VPN... does not do anything (its completely unresponsive)
[20:36] <loams> sound stops working again and again, which forces me to reload alsa repeatedly. how can i prevent this?
[20:36] <loams> i get the error ALSA error: snd_pcm_open failed: Connection refused
[20:37] <loams> however, the sound is working fine in root
[20:37] <nik> Try to update the system.
[20:37] <loams> nik, it's updated
[20:37] <nik> 2JonoBB
[20:37] <love3> Make a script to re launch it when it fails (joking)
[20:38] <ppf> !sound | loams
[20:38] <loams> sound starts working when i type "pulseaudio -k && sudo alsa force-reload" but i can't keep doing this every other hour
[20:38] <loams> ppf, im on xubuntu
[20:38] <ppf> same difference
[20:39] <Apolalcolo> hi i try to launch a command and i have this error : E: Impossible d'ouvrir le fichier verrou /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission non accordée)
[20:39] <Apolalcolo> E: Impossible de verrouiller le répertoire d'administration r/lib/dpkg/). Avez-vous les privilèges du superutilisateur ? whereas i used "sudo"
[20:39] <loams> ppf, it's stuck at "establishing connection to pulseaudio" for ages
[20:40] <ppf> loams: is the pa daemon running?
[20:40] <ppf> Apolalcolo: it kinda tells you what to do, doesn't it?
[20:40] <loams> ppf, how can i check that?
[20:40] <EriC^^> Apolalcolo: try "ps aux | grep dpkg"
[20:41] <ioria> Apolalcolo, and what command is that ?
[20:41] <EriC^^> Apolalcolo: ppf it might be updating from the software center auto update or it might have not shutdown properly earlier
[20:42] <Apolalcolo> the command it's : sudo apt-get update && apt-get install openvpn network-manager-openvpn network-manager-openvpn-gnome
[20:42] <Apolalcolo> Eric^^ : doesn't work :/
[20:42] <EriC^^> Apolalcolo: you need sudo with the second command too
[20:42] <ioria> Apolalcolo, you need sudo for each instance
[20:42] <loams> ppf, pactl list gives "shm_open() failed: No such file or directory Connection failure: Protocol error"
[20:42] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get insta openvpn.......
[20:42] <Apolalcolo> Oh ok, where i put the new sudo ?
[20:42] <ioria> Apolalcolo, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install openvpn network-manager-openvpn network-manager-openvpn-gnome
[20:42] <Apolalcolo> Ok thanks :)
[20:43] <Apolalcolo> it works ! thanks guy :)
[20:43] <ioria> good
[20:43] <Apolalcolo> Bye, thanks again
[20:43] <loams> ppf, after "pulseaudio -k && sudo alsa force-reload", sound starts working and i no longer get "establishing connection to pulseaudio"
[20:44] <loams> but what is causing sound to stop continually?
[20:44] <loams> please help
[20:44] <ioria> loams, ask your sound hw manufacturer
[20:44] <loams> ioria: this isn't a problem with hw
[20:44] <loams> i just switched distros
[20:45] <ioria> loams, that is ?
[20:45] <loams> i was on xubuntu 14.04 and no problems with sound occurred
[20:45] <ppf> loams: run pulsaudio in a terminal and watch for errors
[20:45] <ioria> loams,  and now ?
[20:45] <loams> i just installed 16.04 yesterday and sound keeps stopping
[20:46] <loams> actually ppf, ioria, the problem is solved
[20:46] <loams> https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/sandbox#TOC-Fix-a-sound-issue-PulseAudio-caused-by-Firejail
[20:46] <FishPencil> I have Ubuntu running in a VM on a Windows host. I cannot 'ping google.com' from the VM, but can from the host. I can however ping the host, and the gateway from the VM. Any ideas what's going on?
[20:47] <ioria> loams,  a great website ... i say
[20:47] <ppf> FishPencil: nslookupg google.com
[20:48] <Guest4521> ola
[20:48] <lrcaballero> Guest4521: Hola!
[20:48] <FishPencil> ppf: No server could be reached, so something DNS
[20:48] <ppf> FishPencil: nslookupg google.com - 8.8.8.8
[20:48] <FishPencil> ppf: Can confirm I can ping the IP for google.com
[20:50] <number28> My wireless network interface names changed from wlan0 and wlan1 to wlx048d388-- and wlp58s0... anyone know how i can change them back/
[20:50] <FishPencil> Does the interfaces file need to contain dns-nameservers?
[20:50] <ppf> if you configure your network through the interfaces file, then yes
[20:51] <FishPencil> ppf: I don't have to, I just want a static IP with the dns server being the gateway
[20:51] <NatureShade> trying too use camera from QtMultimedia 5.7 with gstreamer 0.10, however I am getting error "Please install the 'bad' GStreamer plugin package.", but "dpkg -l" show both bad and bad-dev installed http://paste.ubuntu.com/23841671/ any ideas?
[20:51] <ppf> number28: why don't you like it?
[20:51] <backbox> hi
[20:51] <number28> ppf: It is just tedious to continue to type in the CLI
[20:51] <ppf> FishPencil: nothing wrong with using the interfaces file. put the nameservers in there
[20:52] <ppf> number28: do you type your interface names often?
[20:52] <number28> ppf: wlx048d388a2029 is a long title, and having to continulously copy andd paste is a bit ridiculous
[20:52] <number28> ppf: I've never touhed the names. typically it usally is just wlan0, wlan1
[20:52] <number28> ppf:  somehow they defaulted to like the 'hardware' standard, or whatever you would call it i suppose.
[20:52] <ppf> it was, in older systtemd versions
[20:52] <MonkeyDust> number28  http://askubuntu.com/questions/767786/changing-network-interfaces-name-ubuntu-16-04
[20:53] <ppf> they get deterministic names these days
[20:53] <jaapio> hi, I have an issue that my laptop reboots on resume, when suspended, anyone having any hints how to debug this?
[20:53] <ppf> anyways, if you don't like it, just ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link
[20:53] <jaapio> I'm running ubuntu 16.04 with kernel 4.8
[20:54] <ppf> jaapio: journalctl -b -1 shows you the logs from the previous boot
[20:55] <ppf> number28, MonkeyDust using an udev rule is a bit ... hacky
[20:55] <jaapio> oaaao: Specifying boot ID has no effect, no persistent journal was found
[20:55] <FishPencil> ppf: Working now, thanks.
[20:55] <jaapio> ppf: Specifying boot ID has no effect, no persistent journal was found
[20:55] <ppf> jaapio: set Storage to persistent in journald.conf
[20:55] <ppf> that's in /etc/systemd/
[20:56] <jaapio> thanks
[20:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[20:57] <number28> ppf: MonkeyDust, Yeah i took a look at that and seems a bit weird... I CD'd to the directory, it then wants me to make a file and copy and paste said script for a eth0 name, but i didn't sese anything regarding wlan
[20:57] <ppf> number28: try the systemd way above
[20:58] <number28> ppf: Not seeing what you mentioned here..
[20:59] <ppf>  ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link
[20:59] <number28> ppf GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0"
[20:59] <number28> whoops
[20:59] <number28> ppf: ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link
[21:00] <Guest70635> Hello, I have a lot of folders in "media". They are probaply from not ejecting drived properly. How can I clean that up?
[21:01] <number28> ppf: Alright i will try reboot.
[21:04] <NatureShade> anyone hav any idea of why gstreamer is asking me to install the "bad" package, when "dpkg -l" shows that it is installed?
[21:04] <NatureShade> dpkg -l output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23841671/
[21:04] <number28> ppf: Beautiful, it works. Thank you. However my external usb NIC still maintined it's hardware name as oppose to wlan1... know why it would do that?
[21:06] <jaapio> thanks ppf found an error that might cause this issue
[21:06] <ppf> number28: did you add an udev rule?
[21:06] <jaapio> now seaching for a solution :-(
[21:06] <jaapio>  /lib/systemd/system-sleep/wpasupplicant failed with error code 255.
[21:06] <jaapio> jan 21 22:01:43 pk-lp03 systemd-sleep[5779]: Suspending system...
[21:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> NatureShade, uhmm codecs
[21:06] <jaapio> lines 2028-2066/2066 (END)
[21:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> NatureShade, not looked at your paste bin link,  not as easey on tablet here, but  yes that will be to do with codecs I expect
[21:07] <NatureShade> which codecs?
[21:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> lets see pastebin
[21:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hold on
[21:07] <number28> ppf: I didn't add anything other than typing the link systemd commnd you gave me
[21:08] <ppf> alright
[21:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> NatureShade, okI think thats just listing all the possible gstreamer packages thats all
[21:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> NatureShade, that can be instaleld if not already etc
[21:10] <ppf> number28: no idea, actually...
[21:10] <NatureShade> yes, the installed ones
[21:10] <NatureShade> they are installed
[21:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> NatureShade, wel  the bad packages, is some of the codecs I belive
[21:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the propritary codecs
[21:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's split up in a few packages
[21:10] <number28> ppf: lol damn it.. thats the long wlx048d388a2029 one. Thats alright.. i'll look more into it later. I'm glad you were able to help with my hardware nic at least.. i appreciate that.
[21:10] <ppf> number28: if you really want to you can add your own .link file to specify a Name for this nic
[21:11] <ppf> number28: man systemd.link
[21:11] <NatureShade> I have installed the bad packages, the strange thing is that it is still asking for it
[21:11] <number28> ppf: ...lol that sounds a bit scary.
[21:11] <ppf> number28: it isn't
[21:11] <ppf> read the manpage
[21:11] <number28> ppf:  okay, i'll check out the man for it and see if it's something i'm in for.
[21:12] <DDoc> hi guys
[21:12] <DDoc> I need some help here. I'm rookie on ubuntu
[21:12] <number28> ppf: I'm nearly 3/4's way done with this ubuntu book, and i recently just covered init vs upstart vs systemd like 2 days ago.. and recently it seems now i've been dealing with all this systemd stuff. Ironic and quite handy i suppose.
[21:12] <COSL04X> shoot DDoc
[21:12] <number28> ppf: Anyways, thank you for your time and help.
[21:13] <ppf> welcome
[21:13] <DDoc> I've been experienced some erratic mouse behavior... Can I fix this ?
[21:13] <Colombo1> Hi, got Evolution and got this: The reported error was "Error fetching message info: missing closing ')' on fetch response".
[21:13] <number28> DDoc: Mouse goes to trash can/
[21:13] <COSL04X> When did it start happening, and have you changed anything? Configs, System update, etc ?
[21:14] <number28> ?
[21:14] <Colombo1> google found a similar topic quite a few years old, anyone know what I am supposed to do?
[21:15] <COSL04X> Its also possible your mmouse could be going bad, troubleshooting 101, you tried a different mouse yet ?
[21:15] <DDoc> number28, no move around the screen, randomly
[21:16] <DDoc> my mouse is ok, I've try on windows and everything runs ok.
[21:16] <COSL04X> What brand mouse is it ?
[21:17] <DDoc> logitech
[21:17] <COSL04X> Low-end model with standard controller, or a gaming mouse /
[21:17] <COSL04X> hmm
[21:17] <DDoc> low end
[21:17] <COSL04X> When did this start happening ?
[21:17] <DDoc> soon I installed ubuntu
[21:18] <COSL04X> it may be a Acceleration issue, have you looked into that ?
[21:19] <DDoc> velocity is set to 0
[21:19] <COSL04X> Wired or Cordless ?
[21:19] <DDoc> wired
[21:20] <DDoc> ps2
[21:21] <COSL04X> I would try and alter your current settings
[21:21] <COSL04X> I would work with the GUI util first
[21:21] <COSL04X> have you tried manually adjusting and trying differnet acceleration levels ?
[21:23] <DDoc> no I did not
[21:23] <DDoc> im trying now, let me see
[21:23] <COSL04X> Try adjusting acceleration and sensitivity
[21:24] <DDoc> ohhh my gosh
[21:24] <DDoc> works
[21:25] <MonkeyDust> COSL04X  +1
[21:25] <COSL04X> Good, I figured if they were too low it was a threshold issue with the controller the mouse is uing
[21:25] <COSL04X> using
[21:25] <DDoc> Tx so much COSL04X, and you guys, save my ass
[21:25] <COSL04X> NP, anytime :)
[21:25] <DDoc> :)
[21:26] <Guest70635> How do I remove unnessesarry folders from "media"?
[21:27] <COSL04X> as in mounted media ?
[21:27] <COSL04X> if they are ummounted use elevated permissions to remove them
[21:27] <COSL04X> if they were left behind
[21:27] <COSL04X> not the dev files but the mount directory
[21:27] <Guest70635> COSL04X: yes
[21:28] <Guest70635> COSL04X: what is the command?
[21:28] <COSL04X> if the mount drive was say "USB" it would be "sudo rmdir /media/yourusername/USB"
[21:29] <COSL04X> ive had mount dirs get stuck in limbo every now and then
[21:29] <blotek> Any bash pro here?
[21:29] <COSL04X> kind of, depends on what you need ?
[21:30] <Guest70635> COSL04X: is there a faster way to remove a lot of old directorys?
[21:30] <blotek> Well I'm trying to run a query with multiple variables and got troubles to nest them properly
[21:30] <blotek> since it's already using array ...
[21:30] <blotek> http://pastebin.com/D7Qx8qN5
[21:31] <MonkeyDust> blotek  there's also #bash
[21:31] <blotek> MonkeyDust, true but they're sleeping
[21:31] <Hixon> Hello. Is there some common solution of backuping ubuntu vps?
[21:31] <COSL04X> Guest70635, if you are wanting to del the parent dir and everything under it you can use a remove recursive with force but its very risky if you are not careful
[21:32] <COSL04X> Hixon, unless your provider allows you to boot a virtual ISO and backup that way to image the virtual disk no, only individual files
[21:32] <Hixon> No, my provider just gets ssh login to me
[21:32] <Guest70635> COSL04X: okee, will do it one by one
[21:33] <blotek> Hixon, you can't boot anything over PXE ?
[21:33] <blotek> rescue system or something ? - some hosts provide that
[21:33] <ppf> blotek: what's the issue with your script?
[21:33] <COSL04X> Hixon, you cant backup the whole filesystem while its in use, and then do a restore while the filesystem is live, you would have to back it up from a outside source, or just backup the individual files DBs, etc to rebuild if you have to wipe and start over
[21:34] <Hixon> I see
[21:34] <ppf> Hixon: rsync
[21:34] <blotek> ppf, I would like to be able to add last line as variable so I can modify input with DESCRIPTION / TITLE and 100 other attributes i have to export;)
[21:35] <blotek> but no matter how I try it won't work - I bet because I'm using array already
[21:35] <Tachyon_> is it possible to use strace and disable nanosleep ? it's kind of annoying( I can't basically read anything but nanosleep)
[21:35] <ppf> blotek: line 11 looks weird. just invoke sed instead?
[21:35] <spacedog82> Hi, I'm trying to execute a bash script as root as another user with setuid, but it is not working?
[21:35] <ppf> spacedog82: how's it not working
[21:35] <blotek> ppf, ye I've tried but it doesnt work
[21:36] <ppf> blotek: how does it not work
[21:36] <spacedog82> It just executes with the real uid
[21:36] <blotek> that's the only way I've managed it to work actually with this echo ;)
[21:36] <blotek> let me try to do a mistake line again and you will see what im doing wrong then
[21:36] <ppf> k
[21:36] <michagogo> Hi, I wanted to set up a cloud server that I could RDP into to run graphical applications. So I spun up a Xenial server, and ran apt-get install lubuntu-desktop and apt-get install xrdp. I connected, logged in, and immediately got one of those system problem boxes, saying upstart had a problem. I thought 16.04 was already on systemd?
[21:37] <ppf> spacedog82: setuid causes the command to be ran as the owning user
[21:37] <spacedog82> ppf, yes
[21:37] <michagogo> Did I do something wrong?
[21:37] <spacedog82> ppf, Tell me if I'm doing this correct:
[21:38] <OTMService> hello everyone. We are familiar with usb keys suddenly coming up read only. I wish to write data to a usb, make it bootable, then make it read only on purpose, any help?
[21:38] <OTMService> and I mean read only in any machine you plug it into
[21:39] <ppf> that would require hardware support
[21:39] <COSL04X> To lock a device in read-only, and to make sure the OS follows that rule, it would need to be a burned ROM that you are reading from
[21:39] <spacedog82> ppf, If I have bash script called test, I would first do chown root test and then chmod u+s
[21:39] <OTMService> ahhh yes, COSL04X that is precisely what I am seeking
[21:40] <spacedog82> But when I execute the script as another user I do not get root privileges
[21:40] <OTMService> where would one procure such blank devices and a suitable burner?
[21:40] <ppf> chmod ugo+s
[21:40] <michagogo> OTMService: perhaps get USB keys with a write-protect switch, write them, flip the switch, and glue it in place?
[21:40] <michagogo> A blob of epoxy or something
[21:40] <blotek> ppf, http://pastebin.com/ny1fEry3
[21:40] <COSL04X> That would be the only option what michagogo said
[21:41] <blotek> I would like to make it right but I don't know how since I already have to use "" in sed
[21:41] <COSL04X> physically diable the write pins
[21:41] <blotek> ppf, this code obviously doesn't work I've just made it to show you what I would like to achieve
[21:42] <COSL04X> The only other option if you would want it to be a perm burm, would be to have the tools needed to make a USB flash drive, and burn your image to a ROM (Read only Memoy) chip, and once burned it can't be changed
[21:42] <michagogo> Did the switch to systemd at some point prior to 16.04 only happen on some flavors?
[21:42] <COSL04X> burn*
[21:43] <ppf> blotek: it's echo $... | sed or (even nicer) sed <<< $....
[21:43] <blotek> ppf, ye but I wan't to keep it as variable - if i wanted only to echo it It was working with first code already
[21:43] <ppf> and Description is missing a $ before the braces, probably
[21:44] <Guest70635> COSL04X: There is one folder "New Volume". how do I remove that?
[21:44] <COSL04X> Guest70635 where is it located ?
[21:44] <Guest70635> same as the others
[21:44] <Guest70635> Problem is the space
[21:45] <COSL04X> as long as its a empty dir just "rmdir "/media/yourusername/New Volume""
[21:45] <heathenwolfe> michagogo, might be a xenial version customized by the cloud service using upstart
[21:45] <COSL04X> include the inside quotes
[21:45] <spacedog82> ppf, it does not seem to work?
[21:45] <michagogo> heathenwolfe: it's on ec2
[21:46] <michagogo> Afaik that's the official cloud image
[21:46] <spacedog82> ppf, -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root      38 Jan 21 22:45 test   is this correct?
[21:46] <ppf> spacedog82: looks good, yes
[21:47] <spacedog82> ppf, the only thing in the bash script is: #!/bin/bash and echo $EUID
[21:47] <spacedog82> and when ran as another user it would not print 0
[21:47] <Guest70635> COSL04X: worked. thanks. now that is clean again
[21:47] <COSL04X> :) Awesome
[21:48] <COSL04X> anytime there is a space or a wild cadr bash is not happy with use " " to tell it the exact path name
[21:48] <COSL04X> that goes with any command
[21:48] <Guest70635> COSL04X: will write that down
[21:49] <ppf> spacedog82: sorry, i overread the script part
[21:49] <ppf> setuid bits on interpreted things are ignored
[21:50] <COSL04X> Guest70635. bash alias are also another useful trick if you find you keep usings the same flags on a given command
[21:50] <mihi> spacedog82, setuid does not work for scripts. Also, bash (if you call it setuid root) will drop privs
[21:50] <joao_> ola!!!!
[21:50] <spacedog82> ppf, mihi , thanks, any alternatives you would recommend?
[21:51] <ppf> spacedog82: if setuid is really the only way to go, then you need to compile a small binary
[21:51] <nwe> does ubuntu preseed has something simular too IPAPPEND 2 ksdevice=bootif  for their preseeds?
[21:51] <mihi> spacedog82, if you insist on scripting, you can use suidperl. Otherwise build a small C program that calls bash after doing the UID magic.
[21:52] <joao_> alguém aqui fala português?
[21:52] <Guest70635> COSL04X: now only two things are left. check which programs I can remove and how I manage that my Linux laptop uses an printer conected to an old XP for printing
[21:52] <joao_> oie
[21:53] <ppf> !pt joao_
[21:53] <mihi> spacedog82, and TIL that suidperl does not exist any more. so use a wrapper in C.
[21:53] <joao_> ppf: ola
[21:53] <COSL04X> Guest70635, what you mean by programs to remove ?
[21:53] <ppf> !pt | joao_
[21:53] <spacedog82> mihi, ppf, alright, thanks for the help
[21:54] <ppf> blotek: what is it you really try to do?
[21:54] <heathenwolfe> michagogo, any idea what is your current init system?
[21:54] <Guest70635> COSL04X: I instaled some programs and extensions etc, but not al worked as expected or don't need them anymore. I don't know which so.
[21:55] <COSL04X> Guest70635, look at your dpkg log
[21:55] <blotek> ppf, I really want to add variable as = $GetInventoryItemById + sed (with attribute variable name as pattern)
[21:55] <Guest70635> COSL04X: Gues some are installed years ago.
[21:55] <COSL04X> Thought this was a new box
[21:56] <heathenwolfe> michagogo, relevant info http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/user-data.html
[21:56] <ppf> A="${foo} ${bar}" ?
[21:56] <Guest70635> COSL04X: but somewhere i noted down how to find which programs are installed. with that i need to find out what they do and if they are still relevent
[21:56] <COSL04X> Look up the apt docs, it's all there :
[21:56] <COSL04X> :)
[21:57] <ppf> blotek: ^
[21:57] <blotek> ppf, actually part of pattern ;p
[21:58] <ppf> blotek: i don't follow?
[21:58] <Guest70635> COSL04X: yes, will do that another time
[21:59] <heathenwolfe> michagogo, their shellscripts seem to be using upstart.
[21:59] <blotek> ppf, I don't know how to explain it otherwise I guess the code I've pasted (broken one) preety much explains it the best
[21:59] <ppf> blotek: not really, i've got no idea what it's supposed to do ;)
[22:00] <heathenwolfe> michagogo, or sysvinit for that matter, certainly not systemd since they are talking about "service x start" command
[22:00] <blotek> ppf, in general it suppose to get attribute values for further processing from json output;) in a shortcut;)
[22:01] <blotek> ppf, this sed line actually extracts the value from json output
[22:01] <ppf> blotek: i meant on a more concrete level of abstraction
[22:01] <heathenwolfe> michagogo, check where ls -l /sbin/init is pointing to
[22:01] <ppf> values, i assume?
[22:01] <blotek> ye
[22:01] <Guest16667> Hey guys, how do I mount my encrypted home partition from a live USB? Previously, there would be a device /dev/sd*, but now there's only sda, which is the USB disk. Where did the HDD go and it's home partition?
[22:02] <ppf> or does it match only one? (in which case you should stick to grep instead)
[22:02] <blotek> ppf, there's around 100 attributes i have to pick from each product ;)
[22:02] <blotek> and there's 10.000 of them ;)
[22:02] <Chucara> I need to call a webservice using SSL which has an invalid certificate. But I need to do so from an app I have no command over. Can I setup cURL to ignore certificate errors or somehow trust the other end?
[22:02] <ppf> okay
[22:03] <blotek> ppf, and since it has to run in embeed solution which has kernel compiled already I actually have to make it fully in bash ;) cant even use python - fun
[22:04] <ppf> okay
[22:04] <blotek> ppf,  i know bash to some degree but chaining multiple arrays with "" all around just makes me sad
[22:05] <michagogo> heathenwolfe: The EC2 doc you linked to uses Amazon Linux
[22:05] <ppf> you've mentioned arrays multiple times now, but i haven't seen you use them. you define them and expand them right after
[22:05] <ppf> what's the point?
[22:05] <blotek> ppf, that's not the first issue I'm running recently I gave up for today anyway
[22:05] <blotek> just telling you my recent story ;)
[22:07] <ppf> maybe paste an example of what it is you'd like to do
[22:08] <blotek> ppf okay
[22:10] <blotek> ppf, that's json data output : http://pastebin.com/veFSAyXx
[22:11] <blotek> All i try to do is to search for certain attributes and attach them to Variable of choice
[22:14] <ppf> alright, sed is apt in that case
[22:15] <blotek> ppf, and I cant use jq or any other json parsing thingies cuz it runs over PXE and they want to update kernels for it from original sources;)
[22:15] <anonymous17> Bonsoir
[22:16] <ppf> blotek: yes, i under stood
[22:16] <anonymous17> Il y a des Français ,
[22:16] <anonymous17> ?
[22:17] <blotek> ppf, and that's what I was sort of calling array
[22:17] <blotek> not sure how to call it otherwise ;)
[22:17] <blotek> http://pastebin.com/3WYimdJi
[22:17] <ppf> as i said above, just DESCRIPTION="$(sed -e "s/^.*\"MetaData\":\"\([^"]*\)\".*$/\1/" <<< $GetInventoryItem)"
[22:17] <heathenwolfe> anonymous17, peut-être
[22:18] <anonymous17> ah lol car j'aurais besoins de quelque petit conseil car je suis perdu cela fait deux jours .
[22:18] <ppf> blotek: yeah, that's very unreadable, try to avoid that
[22:18] <blotek> ppf, Unexpected EOF :)
[22:18] <ppf> or is there an actual reason for that?
[22:19] <Apachez> how come there exists official rpi2 images of ubuntu 16.10 but not for rpi3 ?
[22:19] <blotek> ppf, how would u repeat this code otherwise for every query to make it nicer;) ?
[22:20] <michagogo> heathenwolfe: unfortunately my personal vps is on 14.04, and I don't have access to the 16.04 box ATM
[22:20] <ppf> blotek: yeah, right, missed an escape in the [] :)
[22:23] <blotek> ppf, it doesn't work whatever i do with it anyway ;)
[22:23] <ppf> ?
[22:23] <ppf> how do you repeat code usually? wrap it in a function
[22:24] <blotek> ppf, yes and no ;)
[22:24] <blotek> in this scenario it wouldnt work because from this query there's like only 5 attributes i need
[22:24] <blotek> then there are completely different queries to run to get anything else
[22:25] <blotek> and ye i will nest it in sort of funcions when i see it working later;)
[22:25] <blotek> but as for the moment dirty way I cant even make that to work
[22:25] <ppf> so what is the problem then?
[22:25] <ppf> you keep telling me what you're doing, but not what the problem ist
[22:25] <ppf> is*
[22:26] <heathenwolfe> michagogo, afaik xenial uses systemd so the upstart error might be from something that lubuntu-desktop expected but isn't there. Can you use the desktop even after the error occured?
[22:27] <blotek> ppf,
[22:27] <blotek> can I priv ya ?
[22:27] <ppf> keep it in the channel please
[22:27] <ppf> so others can chime in
[22:27] <k1l_> heathenwolfe: michagogo 16.04 uses systemd. but there are still some upstart wrapings from parts that were made to work with upstart before.
[22:28] <blotek> ppf, I wanted to send you the whole code but that's not something I want to do in the channel ;)
[22:28] <blotek> ppf, but anyway enough for me for today
[22:28] <blotek> ppf, thanks for help anyway ;)
[22:28] <ppf> alright
[22:28] <heathenwolfe> k1l_, michagogo, that might explain it, thanks
[22:28] <ppf> you should create a small testcase that demonstrates your problem
[22:29] <blotek> ok then ;)
[22:30] <blotek> ppf,  but not today ;p
[22:33] <pos> difference between gnome-shell and ubuntu-desktop-gnome?
[22:33] <michagogo> k1l_: does systemd adoption depend on the flavor?
[22:34] <michagogo> I just checked, and it looks like installing lubuntu-desktop pulled in upstart
[22:35] <jatt> which release
[22:35] <ppf> !info ubuntu-desktop-gnome
[22:35] <k1l_> michagogo: i dont know exactly what your issue is; but since ubuntu did have upstart while projects(desktops) moved to full systemd already, there were some parts that had to made to work with upstart again. i dont know if those parts were fully moved back to systemd again. that depends on the exact specifics
[22:35] <ppf> pos: ^ ?
[22:36] <michagogo> k1l_: basically, on an Ubuntu server, I installed lubuntu-desktop and xrdp
[22:37] <michagogo> When I rdp'd in, I got the crash reporter dialog saying there was a system problem, and it looks like it was upstart
[22:37] <michagogo> So the question is, why is that happening and do I need to worry about it
[22:37] <ppf> michagogo: that's a bit vague
[22:38] <ppf> if you show us the actual error we might be able to help
[22:40] <michagogo> ppf: I don't remember exactly, and I don't have access to the system at the moment, but I don't remember there being much detail there
[22:41] <ppf> then there's not much we can tell you.
[22:41] <michagogo> What's weird is the fact that upstart was pulled in by lubuntu-desktop
[22:41] <ppf> it wasn't
[22:41] <k1l_> michagogo: uh. that is hard to tell.
[22:41] <COSL04X> michagogo, I wouldn't worry about it, unless it happens often, I would remove the error out of your crash dir so you dont see the same "previous" error
[22:41] <k1l_> michagogo: you can ssh to that system and look at the crash report.
[22:43] <michagogo> ppf: I think I looked back and the apt-get command installed upstart… I'll try to see if I can get back in and see what happened once I'm back at the office
[22:43] <michagogo> I don't have access ATM
[22:46] <royal_screwup21> Is there a way I can use "wget" so that the webpage I download automatically moves to a directory of my choosing? Performing "wget <link>" stores the webpage in the current directory, but I want it to be stored someplace else
[22:47] <ppf> royal_screwup21: -O
[22:49] <tomreyn> royal_screwup21: hint,t his wasn't an emoticon
[22:49] <k1l_> royal_screwup21: i think its time that you learn about manpages
[22:49] <k1l_> !man | royal_screwup21
[22:49] <tomreyn> read man pages to find out about such options
[22:49]  * tomreyn is late
[22:50] <tomreyn> also you can run most commands with --help
[22:50] <kernello> hello everyone, I am trying to access my encrypted home folder from another OS on the same drive. can you help me please?
[22:50] <kernello> I tried a couple of commands but didnt work
[22:50] <ppf> kernello: encrypted how?
[22:50] <kernello> ppf
[22:50] <kernello> encrypted during installation
[22:51] <tomreyn> "encrypted home" or the other one, full disk?
[22:51] <tomreyn> both are offered during installation
[22:52] <ppf> if it's just the home, then this is the way:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering%20Your%20Data%20Manually
[22:53] <kernello> tomreyn, ppf, it is the one that shows 'access.your.private.desktop' when its folder is mounted
[22:55] <kernello> the problem is, i am not sure if I can ever log back in if I log out
[22:56] <Jurgentje> Hi, I'm looking for the command line command to run the default Ubuntu terminal (because it's not launching anymore, and I would just want to type the command in another terminal window to see what error messages I'm getting
[22:57] <k1l_> Jurgentje: gnome-terminal
[22:58] <k1l_> Jurgentje: i guess you should look out at "ls -al" in your user home folder and look what is owned by root and not your user
[23:04] <michagogo> k1l_: I just spun up a fresh 16.04 machine and ran apt-get install lubuntu-desktop -S
[23:05] <michagogo> -s*
[23:05] <michagogo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23842358/
[23:05] <michagogo> It does seem to pull in upstart :-/
[23:05] <daxdax89> guys is there any video player with automatic subtitle download?
[23:06] <eelstrebor> i have one pc that won't bring up the connection if i configure it to use vpn - my web search says that this is a bug but 2 other computers work just fine - i can't seem to find a solution to this issue - ubuntu 16.04.1
[23:06] <COSL04X> depends on the file type and if it has metadata on where to fetch said subtitles
[23:06] <eelstrebor> to clarify, the connection won't auto connect when configured with openvpn
[23:07] <COSL04X> eelstrebor, what VPN host and software are you using ?
[23:07] <COSL04X> ok
[23:07] <COSL04X> and you set the network profile to load the vpn on connection ?
[23:07] <eelstrebor> yes
[23:07] <k1l_> michagogo: "sudo stat /proc/1/exe" will tell you what init is in use.
[23:08] <adalbert> daxdax89, try Kodi?
[23:08] <COSL04X> did you configure openvpn yourself ?
[23:08] <eelstrebor> it auto-connects without being configured to use openvpn
[23:08] <k1l_> michagogo: and as i explained before: some parts from upstart are still in use, but that doesnt mean that upstart is the init system in use.
[23:09] <eelstrebor> COSL04X, yes, i manually configured openvpn on all my pc's
[23:09] <ploy> (or just autoconnect using networkmanager)
[23:09] <COSL04X> eelstrebor, on both client and sevrer side ?
[23:10] <eelstrebor> openvpn does come up after manually starting the connection
[23:10] <eelstrebor> it just won't auto-start
[23:10] <michagogo> k1l_: ah, I see.
[23:10] <michagogo> It just seems weird that it would cause an error message immediately on login
[23:10] <COSL04X> eelstrebor, ok just trying to fully understand, if wont auto-connect, but if you goto network manager and enable it yourself, the handsake is successful ?
[23:11] <eelstrebor> yes
[23:11] <k1l_> michagogo: that depends on the errormessage :)
[23:11] <COSL04X> have you restarted the networkmanager service ?
[23:12] <eelstrebor> no
[23:12] <COSL04X> know how ?
[23:12] <eelstrebor> i rebooted and had the same issue
[23:12] <eelstrebor> COSL04X, yes, i know how to restart the service
[23:13] <COSL04X> something isnt right, there has to be a issue with how the profile has been saved, its not making the right calls, have you checked the profile-file itself
[23:13] <michagogo> k1l_: honestly, I'm not sure I agree - any error immediately on first install feels like a problem to me
[23:13] <michagogo> But I'll try to reproduce it
[23:13] <michagogo> One sec, installing lubuntu-desktop on this new. I'd
[23:13] <michagogo> New box*
[23:14] <eelstrebor> it looks ok - i compared it to another box and they look similar
[23:14] <michagogo> (Side note: SSD + AWS internal mirror ftw)
[23:14] <ericus> Hi! Can anyone help me with how to save multiple monitor settings? They reset upon every reboot or when the screens go idle: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23842502/
[23:15] <COSL04X> eelstrebor, this is odd, I'm not doubting you are having a issue, but I'v persoanlly never heard of this before, check the networkmanager service log, see if its complaining
[23:15] <COSL04X> see if we cant get some kind of a clue
[23:16] <ks479> hi
[23:17] <ks479> when i boot i get "usb_submit_urb(ctrl) failed: -1" what does that mean?
[23:18] <COSL04X> eelstrebor, do you require a password for auth or just key ?
[23:18] <ks479> also it takes like a min to boot
[23:20] <eelstrebor> no password
[23:20] <ks479> join #linux
[23:21] <COSL04X> eelstrebor, just to cover both bases you said you checked interface profiles and they are simialr, did you double check VPN defined profile as well ?
[23:22] <michagogo> k1l_: argh. I'm almost positive that last time it popped up as soon as I logged on
[23:22] <k1l_> michagogo: i dont know if that aws is a standard install at all.
[23:22] <michagogo> But now that I'm trying to make it come up again it's not happening
[23:22] <minimec> ericus: launch the nvidia settings with sudo rights and do your changes. Save them afterwards. This will create a /etc/X11/xorg.conf. -> 'sudo nvidia-settings'
[23:23] <ericus> thanks minimec, I'll try that!
[23:23] <ks479> so, does anyone knows what usb_submit_urb(ctrl) failed: -1 means?
[23:24] <ericus> minimec, Truncate or Write all MetaModes? https://i.imgur.com/ubhwogj.png
[23:26] <minimec> ericus: Reading what's written there I would use 'truncate'... Strange.. I did not get that window...
[23:28] <michagogo> k1l_: I was under the impression that EC2 uses the official cloud images from Canonical.
[23:29] <k1l_> michagogo: i dont know. i thought aws was using some own linux now. and installing a desktop is not the standard setup, too
[23:30] <michagogo> k1l_: AWS has many different images
[23:30] <michagogo> Including their own distro, Amazon Linux
[23:30] <michagogo> But they also have Ubuntu as an option
[23:30] <k1l_> ok
[23:30] <COSL04X> ks479, that error in relation to what? More context is needed
[23:30] <michagogo> Anyway, im going to call it a night
[23:31] <COSL04X> night michagogo
[23:31] <michagogo> If it happens again maybe I'll try reinvesticaring
[23:31] <michagogo> Reinvestigating*
[23:31] <michagogo> It's really annoying though, because I'm pretty sure I didn't do anything special, anything beyond what I just did when it happened the first time :-/
[23:32] <k1l_> michagogo: that is why i asked for details and errormessages.
[23:34] <michagogo> k1l_: Yeah, I know :-/
[23:35] <michagogo> Thanks, and sorry for wasting your time 😐
[23:35] <k1l_> np
[23:39] <linuxaholic> hey
[23:39] <linuxaholic> whats the best version of ubuntu (or another distro) for macbook air late 2015
[23:40] <linuxaholic> (default keyboard backlight / sleep& susspend working)
[23:42] <Necy> Hello. im trying to coinfigure conky. I have a white(ish) background, so i need to change the bar colour to black. However when i change 'default_color' from white to black, the bars dissapear. help?
[23:44] <tomreyn> linuxaholic: i don't know, but give the 16.04 lts live / install dvd a try
[23:44] <linuxaholic> wireless doesn' t work
[23:44] <linuxaholic> but it does for 14.04
[23:44] <linuxaholic> small stuff like that erks me
[23:45] <tomreyn> then buy different hardware
[23:45] <linuxaholic> your face is different hardware
[23:45] <tomreyn> ?
[23:45] <linuxaholic> sorry im a sensitive mac user
[23:45] <linuxaholic> bored of mac, but love the hardware build
[23:46] <tomreyn> you can try installing the proprietary drivers , if any
[23:46] <Guest74688> guys, do you know of a way to copy over an image's metadata into another one?
[23:46] <linuxaholic> i just have to keep trying to find a way to download all the dependencies on usb from another cpu
[23:47] <linuxaholic> last time i tried to copy over broadcom drivers it kept trying to fetch some packages online and wouldn't go through
[23:48] <tomreyn> i assume this ystem has no ethernet jack? do you have an usb <-> ethernet adapter available?
[23:48] <tomreyn> *(s)ystem
[23:48] <linuxaholic> bingo tomreyn
[23:48] <linuxaholic> nah.
[23:49] <tomreyn> i assume you answere dthe first question first, and the second question last.
[23:49] <linuxaholic> nah for both
[23:49] <linuxaholic> no, i mean no ethernet or adapter
[23:50] <tomreyn> hoes it only do wireless then, not ethernet through thunderbolt or something?
[23:50] <tomreyn> *does
[23:50] <tomreyn> sorry about the spelling
[23:50] <fishcooker> how to disable /usr/sbin/update-apt-xapian-index
[23:50] <linuxaholic> i wish they created a ubuntu image w/ extra wireless support for broadcom
[23:50] <fishcooker> is it /usr/sbin/update-apt-xapian-index cron job?
[23:51] <linuxaholic> an some extra love for suspend and backlight
[23:51] <linuxaholic> np
[23:51] <linuxaholic> yes just wireless
[23:51] <linuxaholic> i dont have thunderbold to usb or ethernet or bridge
[23:52] <linuxaholic> thunderbolt*
[23:54] <tomreyn> linuxaholic: when you have it running on linux, do "sudo lspci -knnv >> ~/Desktop/systeminfo.txt; sudo lsusb  >> ~/Desktop/systeminfo.txt; cat /proc/cpuinfo  >> ~/Desktop/systeminfo.txt" and copy the file systeminfo.txt (stored on the desktop to a storage you can access from OS X, then upload it to a pastebin
[23:54] <tomreyn> !pastebin | linuxaholic
[23:56] <chadwin> Hy guyzzzz
[23:58] <eelstrebor> COSL04X, i thought i found my problem but it still doesn't work - syslog says it can't find the key and cert files at boot up but i can manually start the connection with networkmanager
[23:59] <eelstrebor> here is an excerpt from syslog: nm-openvpn[2067]: Options error: --ca fails with '~/vpn/server1client/ca.crt': No such file or directory