[12:29] <flocculant> bluesabre: how long do you think we should wait re the lock issue before reminding r_a he was going to take a look?
[12:56] <bluesabre> flocculant, I think its safe to remind now
[12:56] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[14:19] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll try and remember this evening when he's around then
[14:35] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: iso boot to desktop thing has now been seen in gnome and budgie - with a couple of bug reports - ours is now a dupe - but one is marked high importance at least
[14:39] <akxwi-dave> Yup cheers saw the emails come in wonder if my little post in ubuntu-dev  helped?
[14:40] <flocculant> perhaps - don't idle there :p
[14:41]  * flocculant wanders of to logs 
[14:42] <flocculant> entirely possible :D
[14:49]  * flocculant bores himself stupid installing 'flavours' to test lock there
[14:49] <akxwi-dave> lol have fun sir..
[14:52]  * flocculant really should work out how to do that in qemu ... 
[15:23] <flocculant> \o/
[15:26] <flocculant> wxl: you're affected by bug 1656399
[15:37] <flocculant> also seems I made a mistake when checking old versions of lightdm - one I said works doesn't
[15:39] <flocculant> which makes it appear to be pitti's change in November 
[19:05] <ochosi> flocculant: hey, what's the state of the locking issue in a nutshell? is it lightdm now, or is it us? or pitti? or transitioning to systemd again?
[19:06] <flocculant>  ochosi I think it's lightdm
[19:06] <flocculant> at least if I revert to an older lightdm then locking works
[19:07] <flocculant> confirmed the same behaviour in lubuntu earlier today
[19:07] <ochosi> humm right
[19:07] <flocculant> ochosi: and light-locker is at same version as it is in yakkety
[19:07] <ochosi> any reaction so far from robert on this issue?
[19:08] <flocculant> only that he wanted a lightdm.log 
[19:08] <ochosi> yeah, light-locker is not really actively maintained these days, so i'm not surprised it's the same version ;)
[19:08] <flocculant> but then I've not been hounding him either
[19:08] <ochosi> right, i guess he would be the right person to go with
[19:08] <flocculant> hence pinging Sean about that earlier
[19:08] <flocculant> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/lightdm/lightdm_1.21.1-0ubuntu2/changelog
[19:09] <ochosi> if you can provide the lightdm.log and follow through with him if he needs more that'd be awesome
[19:09] <flocculant> is when it fails
[19:09] <flocculant> ochosi: yea - he has that on the bug - 5 minutes after he asked :)
[19:09] <ochosi> :)
[19:09] <ochosi> nice work
[19:10] <flocculant> expecting him to show up soonish in -desktop - I will ping him there and nudge a bit :D
[19:11] <flocculant> we should sue the same lock as Ubuntu - then if it fails it's easier lol 
[19:11] <flocculant> sue/use
[19:13] <flocculant> ochosi: just a quick one - which package would this bug need to be against on xfce bugs? I'll report (or find existing) upstream to link against bug 1658772
[19:14] <flocculant> someone I don't know about using zesty xubuntu :)
[19:14] <flocculant> biab
[20:17] <flocculant> ochosi: pinged him in -desktop 
[20:23] <ochosi> flocculant: that works for me (re: xfdesktop)
[20:23] <ochosi> it's not recursive
[20:23] <ochosi> so it doesn't loop over all subdirs
[20:23] <ochosi> but it works as expected
[20:24] <flocculant> ochosi: odd why it is different in yak 
[20:24] <ochosi> i don't think it is
[20:24] <ochosi> the xfdesktop version should be exactly the same
[20:25] <flocculant> well - it looks different - I see zesty as the reported screenie and yak as the one I linked
[20:25] <flocculant> definitely different
[20:26] <flocculant> ochosi: if you've 5 could you pop by -desktop?
[20:26] <flocculant> re the lock thing - I can't answer a question :D
[20:29] <flocculant> ochosi: basically I can't answer " do you think light-locker hasn't completed all its actions before it's killed?"
[20:29] <ochosi> hmm, the xfdesktop thing doesn't make sense to me, so the open file dialog has the right side disabled and you can't click anything?
[20:30] <flocculant> ochosi: yea
[20:31] <flocculant> and if, for instance, I had pics in /home/pics - I can't pick it - BUT if I had /home/pics in thunars sidepane then I can
[20:31] <ochosi> sry, gotta run
[20:31] <ochosi> bbia
[20:31] <ochosi> b
[20:31] <flocculant> yep - cya
[21:09] <ochosi> flocculant: so maybe a good idea (following up on robert's comment): test with a different greeter (e.g. unity-greeter or something) and see whether it's actually a greeter problem (i.e. the greeter crashing or something
[21:10] <flocculant> ochosi: just saw that - was just installing it :p
[21:10] <ochosi> awesome :)
[21:10] <flocculant> omg
[21:11] <ochosi> ?
[21:11] <flocculant> can you think of a greeter which doesn't install the world with it ... 
[21:11] <flocculant> unity-g isn't much better than the kde one lol
[21:12] <ochosi> hm, there used to be some html greeter
[21:12] <ochosi> but tbh ours was always the lightest
[21:12] <ochosi> so even with --no-install-recommends?
[21:12] <ochosi> i thought then unity-greeter isn't that bad..
[21:12] <flocculant> 99 to newly install
[21:13] <ochosi> :/
[21:13] <flocculant> no install recommends is better :D
[21:14] <flocculant> ok couple of reboots coming up
[21:24] <ochosi> ok cool
[21:25] <knome> flocculant, re: requirements, check mailing list :)
[21:27] <flocculant> ochosi: first things first - unity greeter fails to start session
[21:27] <flocculant> secondly why do I do this to myself :(
[21:27] <knome> flocculant, slightly masochistic?
[21:27] <flocculant> forgot removing our greeter took out default settings - which left me with an xfce session
[21:28] <flocculant> now I've got rebuild my desktop and shortcuts ... 
[21:28] <flocculant> I have so many vm's I could test in first ... 
[21:28] <flocculant> knome: slightly idiotic more like :p
[21:29] <knome> :P
[21:29] <knome> close, close
[21:29] <flocculant> omg lots of words in that mail :p
[21:30] <ochosi> oh, sry to hear
[21:31] <flocculant> ochosi: anyway - in a short while I'll test unity-greeter with recommends
[21:31] <flocculant> see what that does
[21:31] <flocculant> just want to get the desktop set again :)
[21:33] <ochosi> :)
[21:40] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - installing in a vm now :p
[21:41] <flocculant> sigh
[21:42] <flocculant> I'd set some low time to test lock earlier - now it's locked half way through installing ...
[21:45] <flocculant> ochosi: nope - no go with unity-greeter 'Failed to start session'
[21:45] <ochosi> that's odd, but add that to the bug report
[21:45] <ochosi> maybe it helps robert somehow...
[21:45] <flocculant> yup
[21:47] <flocculant> ochosi: he wants greeter log - any clue where that is?
[21:48] <slickymaster> sure flocculant
[21:48] <slickymaster> if you want me to review anything, ping me please
[21:48] <flocculant> oh - yea - that's dealt with now - thanks anyway :)
[21:48] <slickymaster> :)
[21:49] <flocculant> I was a bit 0_0 there ... 
[21:49] <slickymaster> lol
[21:50] <flocculant> ochosi: I assume he means the one in /var/log/lightdm *shrug*
[21:51] <flocculant> biab after I force reboot following failed lock ... 
[22:08] <knome> team has mail re: t-shirts
[22:10] <flocculant> now I just need to work out why keyboard shortcuts aren't working :(
[22:10] <knome> minor! :)
[22:11] <flocculant> says you ... 
[22:11] <flocculant> :p
[22:11] <knome> i was joking
[22:11] <knome> :P
[22:11] <flocculant> now I shall get back to my Starter for 10 mail in reply
[22:11] <flocculant> yea I know :)
[22:18] <ochosi> flocculant: thanks for following up
[22:18] <flocculant> ochosi: no problem :)
[22:48] <flocculant> knome: just a very quick one - have we thought much about a first boot screen like mate/budgie ever? 
[22:48] <flocculant> spent a boring hour this afternoon installing 'flavours' to test lock - the budgie one intrigued me a bit
[22:49] <knome> there has been talk about OEM stuff, i don't know about that kind of thing though
[22:49] <flocculant> s/have we thought much in the past about
[22:49] <knome> it's a bit intertwined, so should be discussed all at once
[22:49] <flocculant> not so sure about that
[22:50] <knome> i'm all for that if there's need/willingness to do something like that and the technology is "ready out there"
[22:51] <flocculant> I'll just grab a screenshot of the budgie one
[22:51] <knome> poke bluesabre ^
[22:52] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/vEXq7dL.png
[22:52] <knome> right...
[22:52] <flocculant> some of the options have quite a lot of text
[22:53] <knome> yes, and this is quite the information overload
[22:53] <flocculant> the choice there being 'buttons' 
[22:53] <knome> we kind of do the sameish with the slideshow
[22:53] <flocculant> well kind of
[22:53] <flocculant> anyway - was just a thought come question
[22:54] <flocculant> now though I am going to do like zebedee and split :)
[22:54] <flocculant> night peeps 
[22:54] <knome> nighty