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valorieclivejo: back to work on the docs, looking at your work00:36
valorieI notice you link so some of our old packaging doc pages such as https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/CI/QMLIgnore00:36
valorieis the plan to move such pages to the new wiki, and get rid of those old pages?00:37
clivejoI didnt link any old docs00:39
clivejoI want to check everything before adding it00:39
valorieyes, you linked that page above on https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/kci/00:41
clivejothe plan is to have up to date docs that can be kept up to date, without fighting with looping log on pages and flaff00:41
valorieright, but to do that we'll be getting *all* development documentation into Phab00:41
clivejolast edit was Rik00:42
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clivejomost of us have lots of notes we took when we learned00:42
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valorieright, I just want us to be on the same page, moving towards the same goal00:43
valorieso far it's looking good00:43
valoriedid you see this? https://secure.phabricator.com/book/phabricator/article/remarkup/00:44
valorieacheronuk, tsimonq2, himcesjf00:44
valorieI'm liking it00:44
clivejome too00:44
clivejoI made a table - https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/status/00:44
tsimonq2Can't look at it, phone is busy and I'm on tty2 >__<00:45
valoriegood call on getting us moving on it, clivejo00:45
valorieoooo, fancy!00:45
clivejoalways wanted something to see at a glance what is where!00:46
valoriethat's handy00:46
tsimonq2Good idea00:46
tsimonq2We needed something like this ages ago...00:47
clivejoThe topic can be confusing at times00:47
tsimonq2Let's just remove that stuff from the topic then and just have that link there00:47
clivejonot yet00:47
clivejoas we are still finding our feet00:48
valorieI use the info in the topic00:48
valorieand don't want to have to click elsewhere when I'm answering questions in IRC00:48
valorieI have to click elsewhere often enough as it is00:48
clivejoshame Ubuntu/LP doesnt have Phab00:53
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valorieafter using the Ubuntu wiki, then the Phab wiki -- night and day00:54
valorieLP does have many cool features00:54
clivejook, bed time for me00:55
clivejonight all00:55
tsimonq2Sleep tight clivejo 00:55
DarinMillernight clivejo00:55
valoriebut since there is no devel work on it, it's showing age00:55
tsimonq2Don't let the bed bugs bite00:55
valoriesweet dreams00:55
clivejotsimonq2: can you help wxl with https://phabricator.kde.org/T511900:56
clivejoThere is a LP bug for it somewhere00:57
tsimonq2When I get my install working again... >__<00:58
tsimonq2wxl: What's left to do?00:58
valorieoooo, wxl, now that GCi is over: what remains to be done for Alpha 2?01:00
valorieanything I can help with?01:00
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wxlvalorie: if release notes are all fixed up, we're good01:13
wxltsimonq2: go test it in yakkety and leave a note on the bug01:13
tsimonq2wxl: I would if I had a working computer, bud01:13
tsimonq2wxl: What bug?01:14
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IrcsomeBot<CliffordTheBigRedDoggie> Wxl: just finish it up. Its a bugfix release01:21
wxlyou're the boss. :)01:23
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tsimonq2wxl: What. Do. You. Need. Help. With. To. Get. Konversation. SRUed?01:25
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wxltsimonq2: well i just got the ok to move forward, so should be nothing.01:27
IrcsomeBot<CliffordTheBigRedDoggie> Also try and backport it for xx  if you can01:31
IrcsomeBot<CliffordTheBigRedDoggie> Test from your own ppa01:31
tsimonq2If that's what you're talking about, wxl, what do you think?01:31
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lordievaderGood morning.08:55
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BluesKajHey folks12:10
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BluesKajhey soee12:44
acheronukclivejo: yes, I added those KCI links. mostly just as a placeholder as I think much of that info needs to go on the wiki. probably consolidated and or redone into phab pages13:00
shadeslayerclivejo: I never did that upload did I13:58
clivejoshadeslayer: nope :P13:59
shadeslayerI'm so sorry13:59
shadeslayerlet me get to it now13:59
clivejoI know you are busy, so didnt want to pressure you13:59
shadeslayerclivejo: I gave you a deadline so if I don't meet it, please let me know :13:59
shadeslayerbecause i took yesterday off13:59
clivejowell deserved day off?14:00
clivejoshadeslayer: will you be able to make it to acheronuk's devel meeting?14:01
shadeslayeris it today?14:01
clivejonot confirmed yet14:01
acheronukshadeslayer: doodle in an email to -devel mailing list14:01
acheronuk1st potential date is nearly 2 weeks away14:02
* acheronuk gave himself time to change his mind14:04
clivejono changing minds!14:04
shadeslayerclivejo: all uploaded14:06
shadeslayersitter: ^^14:07
shadeslayerup for some grilling?14:07
clivejo:) thanks14:07
shadeslayerclivejo: I'll take a look at it later this evening14:07
acheronukshadeslayer: no huge hurry, but would be great if you can make it14:08
clivejonow the rela fun starts!14:11
acheronukit does?14:11
clivejonew sources14:11
clivejorelease team fun14:11
clivejothere are new binarys still in the queue from last week :(14:12
shadeslayerclivejo: please poke someone in #ubuntu-release14:13
clivejoI find it more productive to beat my head on a brick wall14:13
clivejoI feel I make more progress this way14:14
acheronukdo the old sources need removing? if the new ones are the result of a split of an old one?14:15
shadeslayerclivejo: let me poke someone then14:16
clivejoyes please Master Rohan of the Universe14:17
clivejoshadeslayer: do you ping someone off the channel?14:39
shadeslayerI was trying to lookup what archive admins we have14:40
shadeslayerand then got distracted14:40
blazeclivejo: https://phabricator.kde.org/T4783#7634214:47
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> acheronuk ping16:50
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> my schedule is very chaotic, I'd love to participate at your developer grilling, but I'm not sure of my schedule, so I can't give times when I'm available16:52
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> most likely, I'll even miss your reply here16:52
IrcsomeBot* ovidiuflorin is not proud of that16:52
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> I'll watch the email for your decided date, and set an entry in my calendar16:53
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> if I can, I'll be there16:53
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> not that my presence is actually necessary16:53
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> but any way, you have my full support16:53
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> @ovidiuflorin, Thank you :) It would be nice for people to be there, but as you say not essential. However, your support is noted and appreciated, whether you are able to make it or not.16:59
acheronukclivejo: ping19:09
clivejowhats up?19:10
acheronuknother fix for a test I hope19:10
clivejoon shiny?19:11
acheronukin there19:11
acheronukclivejo: could be that those tests fail the first time, and will need a re-run with all-proposed. but we shall see19:13
clivejothey pass locally?19:14
acheronukamd64 does with all-proposed. others arches I have not sorted out easily testing with yet19:15
clivejodo you think its possible to setup that elastic hosts system to do the autotests19:17
acheronukprobably. I can now do this more or less locally, but not sure I would know where to start with anything automated somewhere remote19:18
clivejomight as well try :)19:22
acheronukooooh https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtspeech-opensource-src/5.8.0-119:42
acheronukwell, I knew that was on the way, but :)19:42
clivejowhat does it do?19:43
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> clivejo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo19:52
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> primul e făcut19:54
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> al doilea... nu știu dacă e o idee bună19:54
clivejoenglish please19:54
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> oh...19:54
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> wrong channel19:54
ubottuPlease avoid any language that may be considered offensive, including acronyms and obfuscation of such - also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines || The main channels are English only, for other languages, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList19:55
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> clivejo I miss you19:55
clivejohave I been somewhere?!?19:55
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> I don't know19:56
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> I just haven't seen you or talked to you in a while19:56
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> so I miss you19:56
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> and I also miss Aaron19:57
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> @ahoneybun ^19:57
clivejoawww bless19:57
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> I can say that I did the initial packaging for QtSpeech in Debian20:04
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Necesitas hablar20:05
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> What happened?20:49
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> @ovidiuflorin20:49
acheronukclivejo: looks like we may want a new KF5 version of k3b for zesty and lose audex (KDE4) from the archive21:10
acheronukotherwise libcompactdisc and libkcddb and audiocd are not likely to migrate21:13
clivejohas it been ported?21:14
acheronukthere is some other old KDE4 stuff that might want to go. we should do a bit of a review fairly soon21:15
wxlman alpha 2 is going to suck if we don't get some images soon21:15
sintrewhat everybody having to wait around to get to packaging?21:16
acheronukclivejo: the master branch seems to be KF5, but I can't see any releases on a quick scan21:16
acheronukwxl: when are they normally spun?21:17
clivejowe dont have it on KCI21:17
wxlacheronuk: release is almost always thursday and images come out usually two days before (i.e. tuesday). they're usually here before i even get to work. which is to say it's really late.21:17
acheronukwxl: our daily did not build today - issue with a weird apt bug, appstream and plasma-discover21:18
acheronukwxl: I have only just this min read the discussion in #ubuntu-devel21:18
wxlthat's weird they tried to build at all, though, acheronuk. usually they turn off dailies during milestone testing21:19
wxlharumph, i guess i should subscribe to ubuntu-devel21:19
wxlnot mailing list. :)21:19
acheronukwxl: nope. the IRC21:19
clivejonot been updated in a while :/21:28
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> My computer is pretty much fixed21:29
acheronukclivejo: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+changelog21:31
acheronukmostly debian merges and a few random fixes since then21:31
acheronukNeon have no KF521:32
clivejowhere is the debian packaging?21:33
acheronukaha. https://cgit.kde.org/k3b.git/commit/?id=e0da90a0f2d26456b89b17e65d70f1d5b42dff7121:33
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acheronukclivejo: https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-kde/kde-extras/k3b/trunk/21:35
acheronukclivejo: get it building in KCI, and see if it's feasible to do a pre-release preview version for zesty?21:38
clivejodo you know how to move bzr to git?21:39
acheronukI've done it one, but not sure if I can recall. the way written on the LP help page didn't work when I tried that21:40
acheronuk*done it once21:40
clivejocant find my notes21:49
acheronukclivejo: https://code.launchpad.net/~rikmills/kubuntu-packaging/+git/k3b21:54
clivejocan you push that to our LP22:00
clivejoand merge with Debian again?22:00
acheronukclivejo: can do22:01
acheronukoh, debian is not on git is it22:02
clivejobit of a faff22:03
acheronukclivejo: in our archive we have 2.0.3-0ubuntu5 and debian has in unstable 2.0.3a-222:05
clivejoseems there was a respin22:06
clivejohashs are the same22:07
acheronukmd5s are the same22:07
acheronukclivejo: so make a zesty_archive branch that is synced with current zesty before merging anything else?22:07
clivejoyou done that before?22:08
acheronukthen we have that safe and up to date as a stating point22:08
acheronukclivejo: how would you do that? grab the source for each new version copy the changes, and commit each? or just grab the current and do in one syncing commit?22:10
clivejodownload the debian folder as a tar22:11
clivejocreate the zesty_archive branch22:11
clivejorm -r debian in that branch22:12
clivejoand untar into it22:12
acheronukyep, that is what I was saying. 22:12
acheronukwhat I meant is do in one big jump, or in stages for the intervening ubuntu versions. I guess here in one go22:13
clivejoyou could create zesty as a brand new branch22:14
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acheronukclivejo: ok. have a zesty archive branch with the current packaging from that in it22:20
clivejomerge the two and create unstable :)22:24
acheronukwhat 2?22:25
clivejodebian and archive22:25
acheronukI don't have debian22:29
acheronukso kubuntu_unstable is currently the same as zesty archive22:38
acheronukclivejo: ^^22:38
clivejowanna add it to KCI?22:40
acheronukwe can do that and watch it fail to build miserable :)22:40
clivejoneeds fixing!22:41
acheronukthen fix :)22:41
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clivejofunny that!22:52
acheronukwow. surprise!22:52
clivejoit didnt even try 22:53
acheronukpatches failed22:53
acheronukso never even go a source built22:53
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clivejoand failed again!22:57
clivejofix it!!22:57
acheronukfor some reason that makes me think of bob the builder22:58
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clivejoacheronuk: rm this file https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/k3b/tree/?h=kubuntu_unstable23:15
acheronukclivejo: I just was23:15
acheronukclivejo: not going to claim that task as I guess a few of us are likely to want to work on that.23:20
clivejoclaim it if you want23:20
clivejoyou doing most of the work :)23:20
valorieI hope so! would be lovely to see k3b join the new kf5 world23:20
acheronukyou planning to do any tonight? I can get on with it tomorrow PM I expect23:21
acheronukvalorie: it will :)23:21
clivejonope, got a headache and heading to bed soon23:21
valoriedid you guys notice blaze's link earlier?23:21
valorieto a fixed ubiquity, courtesy of neon23:21
valoriewell, courtesy of sitter and Riddell23:22
clivejoyes I seen it23:22
clivejobut we have noone on the team with access to change it 23:23
valorieneed a core dev or so?23:24
clivejofrom what I remember there is a special lincence agreement23:24
clivejoso legally I dont think it can be used23:25
valorieto what?23:26
acheronukclivejo: Architecture Builders Queue23:27
acheronukamd64 61 475 jobs (2 hours) 23:27
valorieoh, perhaps one has to sign their CLA to work on it23:27
acheronukso not much point pushing changes to KCI tonight anyway23:27
valoriewhich is evil23:27
clivejoFor contributions to Ubiquity, Canonical requires copyright assignment. In exchange for assigning copyright to Canonical, you will receive a broad license in return, which will allow you to retain full rights to re-use, distribute, and continue modifying your contributed code. Please ensure you have agreed to the copyright assignment by following the steps outlined at the address below before proposing your contribution for inclusion into 23:27
clivejoubiquity trunk. We do not want this to get in the way of your contributions, so please contact Evan if you have any questions about this process.23:27
clivejohowever the Calamares work is interesting23:29
valorieat least they did fix it somewhat, "to retain full rights to re-use, distribute, and continue modifying your contributed code" after everyone raised bloody hell about it23:29
valoriebut still23:29
valorieI guess it is working so far in neon23:30
clivejoand given the friction regarding copyright in the past, I doubt its doable23:31
clivejoacheronuk: maybe pause KCI?23:36
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IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> HEY, I signed the Canonical CLA, what do I need to write?23:36
clivejocan you legally sign it?23:37
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Yep, talked to Canonical lawyers and my dad signed a paper23:37
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> I signed it23:37
clivejooh ok23:37
valorienot sure that's enough, given that sitter did the work, but you can look at https://phabricator.kde.org/T4783#7634223:38
clivejositter may have signed it in the past23:39
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Why would anyone sign the CLA?23:39
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Oh, already written, can't help there23:39
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> @ahoneybun, It's reasonable to me23:39
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Mm I think it's very crap23:40
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Then again I don't write code so23:40
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> What about it?23:40
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Well it basically gives up your right to the code later no?23:41
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> At least that's what it sounds like from yofel23:41
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Read it.23:42
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Don't complain about it if you haven't read it...23:42
clivejoa lot of people in free and open source software dont like when someone tries to take those rights away23:43
valorieto be fair, it did what Aaron says, at first23:44
clivejoif you want to sign it, fine, thats your call23:44
DarkwingWow, it's been a while.23:44
valorienow they have changed it23:44
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Holy crap23:44
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Darkwing23:44
valoriestill, you assign copyright or don't work on the code23:44
clivejovalorie: yes, its that silly23:44
valoriein KDE, you assign copyright to the e.V. if you want to23:44
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> The clause people are concerned about is that Canonical can take your code closed source whenever they want.23:46
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> They've never done it and they don't plan on it, so they're covering their butts. I'm fine with it, others not.23:46
clivejowhy have it then?23:46
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Because they're covering their asses for technicalities.23:47
clivejofair enough, but in this case, sitter wrote the code and owns the copyright, so it cant be used23:48
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Yep23:48
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> His choice, our inconvenience23:48
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wxl@tsimonq2: where's alpha2???23:57
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