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| flocculant | akxwi-dave: rebuilding iso's - should be a ubiquity fix | 07:41 |
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| Unit193 | I use it with 1G, think VMs I give 512. | 09:48 |
| slickymasterWork | 1G in VMs, myself | 09:50 |
| akxwi-dave | 2g for me, but 1g works fine | 10:20 |
| knome | so how about 512? | 10:22 |
| knome | i mean, the minimum is... minimum | 10:22 |
| knome | eg. "you can run and you can get applications open and start working" | 10:22 |
| knome | not "this is the smooth experience we imagined" | 10:22 |
| knome | (recommended is closer to that) | 10:22 |
| Unit193 | Well...It functions in VM... | 10:24 |
| Unit193 | In the most basic sense of the word if nothing else. | 10:24 |
| knome | :) | 10:25 |
| akxwi-dave | works with 512, but you wouldn't want a lot of apps open at once, and they do take noticabley longer to open | 10:32 |
| slickymasterWork | I'll set up a 512 VM at work this afternoon knome and will perform some testing | 10:33 |
| knome | akxwi-dave, yes, sure | 10:59 |
| knome | akxwi-dave, maybe we could explain a bit more what "minimum" and "recommended" means on the new version... | 10:59 |
| knome | eg. minimum -> run one application at a time | 10:59 |
| knome | recommened -> run several applications at a time as long as they are not very resource consuming | 11:00 |
| knome | (but word it much better than that) | 11:00 |
| flocculant | knome: just running in and out - but what are we telling people Xubuntu is? A smooth useful experience or a bunch of judderiness | 11:00 |
| flocculant | bbl | 11:00 |
| knome | flocculant, yes, that's the reason the minimum requirements shouldn't be too low... but otoh minimum has never meant "this is what we intended you to run this with" with any OS/game/whatever software | 11:01 |
| knome | and obviously it's not about the memory amount only, CPU also affects the performace | 11:02 |
| knome | on lower end machines, i don't think the hard drive is that big of a deal unless it's some ancient piece | 11:02 |
| akxwi-dave | I would add caveat's to the minimum spec along the lines of "you can run xubuntu with 512meg of ram, but performance may be limited, dependant upon your hardware" | 11:27 |
| knome | yep, something like that | 11:45 |
| knome | and i'd probably add a line mentioning the "one app at a time" policy to make it a bit more graspable | 11:45 |
| flocculant | that would certainly help the "xubuntu is slow ... how much ram do you have? ... foo ... best install something else then' you see from time to time in #x | 12:10 |
| knome | yep | 12:12 |
| knome | we need to do better than we do currently... | 12:12 |
| flocculant | still think the minimum should be raised | 12:12 |
| knome | maybe | 12:12 |
| knome | i'm not qualified to make a good call about that | 12:12 |
| flocculant | well none of us are - but nevertheless we need to :p | 12:13 |
| knome | what i meant is that i'm the least qualified, so i'll leave that to others | 12:13 |
| flocculant | when was the min last looked at? probably 3 years ago - and we would likely have then based that on 'old' machines kicking around still 3 years ago (if it was 3) | 12:14 |
| knome | that's possible | 12:14 |
| knome | i don't remember really | 12:14 |
| knome | it must've come up when we did the last website redesign | 12:14 |
| flocculant | since then non-PAE has happened - what's the chances of some old old machine being able to run xubuntu now anyway? | 12:14 |
| knome | i've no idea :) | 12:15 |
| flocculant | or rather is a PAE machine likely to have more than 512 | 12:15 |
| knome | i understand what you're saying, but i don't know | 12:15 |
| flocculant | it's always going to be guess work on our part | 12:15 |
| knome | well... kind of :) | 12:15 |
| knome | or maybe :( | 12:15 |
| flocculant | but to my mind I would (if I was wanderng about lookiing for some linux to install) look on Xubuntu more kindly if I was told you need 1Gb ram than I would if I'd been told 512Mb and then found it was awful and had to look again, reinstall etc etc | 12:16 |
| flocculant | is kind of where I'm coming from :) | 12:17 |
| flocculant | in the first case I'd maybe come back when I had more ram - in the second I'd not | 12:17 |
| flocculant | does that make my point make more sense :) | 12:18 |
| knome | no no, it always made sense :) | 12:18 |
| flocculant | heh | 12:18 |
| flocculant | akxwi-dave: ubiquity fix appears to have done the trick | 12:34 |
| flocculant | also keeping old 64bit iso's so we can track back a bit if needed | 12:35 |
| akxwi-dave | yay.. just seen that with todays iso.... it works,,,, sgt launcher from menus doesn't though.. still :-) | 14:00 |
| akxwi-dave | wish i had seen your message earlier,, just deleted around 30 iso images I had in my downloads folder on this pc.. :-( | 14:01 |
| flocculant | akxwi-dave: didn't know you were doing that :p | 17:00 |
| flocculant | I'm only going to keep 1 arch though - issues we've been plagued with have been general | 17:01 |
| akxwi-dave | lol.. wasn't actually saving them.. just all the downloads of each test iso on my work pc.. never got round to deleting them since before xmas.. | 17:04 |
| flocculant | oh right - well I decided it was a good plan to keep some - probably keep a month, then the 1st of *a* month after that | 17:08 |
| flocculant | knome: finished looking at contributor docs now - got a bit of an issue with the way some of the docs page looks, but more importantly about some of the apps we translate and their relative importance | 19:34 |
| flocculant | best to write that specific stuff as a bug? or pad? | 19:35 |
| flocculant | or make it part of the mp and go from there? | 19:35 |
| flocculant | I could add reasoning to the mp comments | 19:36 |
| knome | flocculant, probably mp directly | 20:05 |
| knome | flocculant, unless you think it requires thorough discussion | 20:05 |
| knome | (and even then, i think people should know how to look at diffs enough so just do an mp :P) | 20:06 |
| flocculant | knome: okey doke - works for me :) | 20:07 |
| knome | cheerio | 20:09 |
| flocculant | bye | 20:09 |
| knome | no i meant thanks :P | 20:09 |
| knome | unless you are going... :P | 20:10 |
| flocculant | nope not yer :) | 20:10 |
| knome | yeah i thought so | 20:10 |
| * flocculant knew you meant cheers | 20:11 | |
| knome | heh | 20:11 |
| flocculant | ochosi: thinking back to last time we had locking problems - I'm sure I tried unity greeter then - I wonder what's gone on to stop it working | 20:20 |
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| ochosi | flocculant: yeah, not sure, tbh i've lost track of this a little | 22:22 |
| ochosi | (the locking changes, the session stuff with systemd,...) | 22:23 |
| ochosi | maybe bluesabre can help... | 22:24 |
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