=== meetingology` is now known as meetingology [07:41] akxwi-dave: rebuilding iso's - should be a ubiquity fix [09:48] I use it with 1G, think VMs I give 512. [09:50] 1G in VMs, myself [10:20] 2g for me, but 1g works fine [10:22] so how about 512? [10:22] i mean, the minimum is... minimum [10:22] eg. "you can run and you can get applications open and start working" [10:22] not "this is the smooth experience we imagined" [10:22] (recommended is closer to that) [10:24] Well...It functions in VM... [10:24] In the most basic sense of the word if nothing else. [10:25] :) [10:32] works with 512, but you wouldn't want a lot of apps open at once, and they do take noticabley longer to open [10:33] I'll set up a 512 VM at work this afternoon knome and will perform some testing [10:59] akxwi-dave, yes, sure [10:59] akxwi-dave, maybe we could explain a bit more what "minimum" and "recommended" means on the new version... [10:59] eg. minimum -> run one application at a time [11:00] recommened -> run several applications at a time as long as they are not very resource consuming [11:00] (but word it much better than that) [11:00] knome: just running in and out - but what are we telling people Xubuntu is? A smooth useful experience or a bunch of judderiness [11:00] bbl [11:01] flocculant, yes, that's the reason the minimum requirements shouldn't be too low... but otoh minimum has never meant "this is what we intended you to run this with" with any OS/game/whatever software [11:02] and obviously it's not about the memory amount only, CPU also affects the performace [11:02] on lower end machines, i don't think the hard drive is that big of a deal unless it's some ancient piece [11:27] I would add caveat's to the minimum spec along the lines of "you can run xubuntu with 512meg of ram, but performance may be limited, dependant upon your hardware" [11:45] yep, something like that [11:45] and i'd probably add a line mentioning the "one app at a time" policy to make it a bit more graspable [12:10] that would certainly help the "xubuntu is slow ... how much ram do you have? ... foo ... best install something else then' you see from time to time in #x [12:12] yep [12:12] we need to do better than we do currently... [12:12] still think the minimum should be raised [12:12] maybe [12:12] i'm not qualified to make a good call about that [12:13] well none of us are - but nevertheless we need to :p [12:13] what i meant is that i'm the least qualified, so i'll leave that to others [12:14] when was the min last looked at? probably 3 years ago - and we would likely have then based that on 'old' machines kicking around still 3 years ago (if it was 3) [12:14] that's possible [12:14] i don't remember really [12:14] it must've come up when we did the last website redesign [12:14] since then non-PAE has happened - what's the chances of some old old machine being able to run xubuntu now anyway? [12:15] i've no idea :) [12:15] or rather is a PAE machine likely to have more than 512 [12:15] i understand what you're saying, but i don't know [12:15] it's always going to be guess work on our part [12:15] well... kind of :) [12:15] or maybe :( [12:16] but to my mind I would (if I was wanderng about lookiing for some linux to install) look on Xubuntu more kindly if I was told you need 1Gb ram than I would if I'd been told 512Mb and then found it was awful and had to look again, reinstall etc etc [12:17] is kind of where I'm coming from :) [12:17] in the first case I'd maybe come back when I had more ram - in the second I'd not [12:18] does that make my point make more sense :) [12:18] no no, it always made sense :) [12:18] heh [12:34] akxwi-dave: ubiquity fix appears to have done the trick [12:35] also keeping old 64bit iso's so we can track back a bit if needed [14:00] yay.. just seen that with todays iso.... it works,,,, sgt launcher from menus doesn't though.. still :-) [14:01] wish i had seen your message earlier,, just deleted around 30 iso images I had in my downloads folder on this pc.. :-( [17:00] akxwi-dave: didn't know you were doing that :p [17:01] I'm only going to keep 1 arch though - issues we've been plagued with have been general [17:04] lol.. wasn't actually saving them.. just all the downloads of each test iso on my work pc.. never got round to deleting them since before xmas.. [17:08] oh right - well I decided it was a good plan to keep some - probably keep a month, then the 1st of *a* month after that [19:34] knome: finished looking at contributor docs now - got a bit of an issue with the way some of the docs page looks, but more importantly about some of the apps we translate and their relative importance [19:35] best to write that specific stuff as a bug? or pad? [19:35] or make it part of the mp and go from there? [19:36] I could add reasoning to the mp comments [20:05] flocculant, probably mp directly [20:05] flocculant, unless you think it requires thorough discussion [20:06] (and even then, i think people should know how to look at diffs enough so just do an mp :P) [20:07] knome: okey doke - works for me :) [20:09] cheerio [20:09] bye [20:09] no i meant thanks :P [20:10] unless you are going... :P [20:10] nope not yer :) [20:10] yeah i thought so [20:11] * flocculant knew you meant cheers [20:11] heh [20:20] ochosi: thinking back to last time we had locking problems - I'm sure I tried unity greeter then - I wonder what's gone on to stop it working === Justanick1 is now known as Justanick [22:22] flocculant: yeah, not sure, tbh i've lost track of this a little [22:23] (the locking changes, the session stuff with systemd,...) [22:24] maybe bluesabre can help...