[01:15] <qengho> I just got email asking how to run a orig tarball. I could not help very much.
[01:21] <duflu> All efforts to make Linux more user-friendly are welcome :)
[01:27] <TheMuso> Yeah the joys of users knowing just enough to be dangerous such that they put up some random instructions on the net as to how to get something working.
[06:58] <pitti> Good morning!
[07:31] <flocculant> hi pitti :)
[08:42] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti :)
[09:00] <willcooke> morning all
[09:01] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[09:01] <willcooke> hi flexiondotorg
[09:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:06] <willcooke> morning davmor2
[09:06] <flexiondotorg> willcooke I found some info about getting Alexa to control Raspberry Pi GPIOs :-)
[09:06] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, just saw that on G+ :)
[09:07] <flexiondotorg> :-) I think that could make for some fun projects at home.
[09:14] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: you need help ;)
[09:30] <flexiondotorg> davmor2 If I can't ask Alexa to turn a red LED on then life is not worth living ;-)
[09:31] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: you really need help ;)
[09:31] <willcooke> :D
[09:33] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: although I discovered why I was getting crappy 3d prints the filament that came with the printer is like the worlds cheapest so hopefully the sample I have coming from rigid.ink will be better and I'll be able to print happy :) so we are all as sad as each other :)
[09:34] <flexiondotorg> Unless you can ask Alexa to print something it's irrelevant ;-)
[09:37] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: I don't have alexa I have a Sue can I ask her to print things?
[09:38] <flexiondotorg> I Googled for a Sue. I can't find one :-(
[09:40] <Laney> blarg
[09:41] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: oh She is way better than Alexa, She's like a complete house hold automation system, I go downstairs and it's like tidy and clean, there is food, and hugs and all sorts of stuff ;)
[09:41] <flexiondotorg> sudo snap install sue
[09:41] <flexiondotorg> Nothing :-(
[09:42] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: :D
[10:03] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[10:03] <willcooke> hey seb128
[10:03] <flexiondotorg> Morning seb128 Laney
[10:03] <seb128> sorry bit late this morning I overslept and I had an appointement at 10am
[10:03] <flexiondotorg> seb128 Are you recovered yet?
[10:03] <seb128> hey willcooke flexiondotorg
[10:04] <seb128> flexiondotorg, I feel better thanks, just annoyance (blocked nose)
[10:05] <pitti> bonjour folks!
[10:05] <pitti> seb128: argh, another flu? :-(
[10:05] <willcooke> hey pitti!
[10:08] <seb128> hey pitti! yeah, winter got me :-/
[10:12] <Sweet5hark> pitti, seb128, willcooke, all: morning guys!
[10:13] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark!
[10:16] <Sweet5hark> hmmm. seems my dybsym libreoffice build worked (mostly) fine. If it wouldnt the lp uploader wouldnt complain about dbgsym packages ...
[10:16] <Sweet5hark> INFO 	libreoffice-core-dbgsym_5.3.0~rc2-2ubuntu1~zesty2_amd64.deb: control file lists name as 'libreoffice-core-dbgsym', which isn't in changes file.
[10:20] <Sweet5hark> thats curious: of course they are not in the changes file as their existence is triggered by checking a box in lp. (Or rather: whatever that checkbox does to generate dbgsyms should not be surprised to get dbgsyms?)
[10:20] <willcooke> :/
[10:22] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: watched that cyber-nuclear BBC thingie btw. Needs to be talked about on some upcoming sprint ;)
[10:23] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, :D  sounds like a good plan
[10:23] <seb128> Sweet5hark, try maybe asking on #launchpad or #ubuntu-devel (others likely hit that before)
[10:26] <Sweet5hark> seb128: done
[10:28] <Sweet5hark> seb128: FWIW I hit that before last cycle IIRC but it was late due to snap-foo, so I dropped the issue.
[10:28] <Sweet5hark> (well, punted for this cycle)
[12:37]  * Sweet5hark is away for lunchbreak (might take a bit longer today)
[12:37] <seb128> Sweet5hark, enjoy! btw did you sort out the ddeb issue?
[14:14] <andyrock> ksamak: hey
[14:14] <andyrock> you here?
[14:15] <davmor2> cyphermox: double header is gone in zesty \o/ however there are no slide on the installer on xps13
[14:18] <davmor2> cyphermox: zesty isn't showing the hit enter to reboot on older hp or xps 13 either.  So is stuck in tty
[14:33] <ksamak> andyrock: yep
[14:34] <ksamak> i'm here
[14:35] <andyrock> the ezoom_focus_tracking is bigger than expected
[14:35] <andyrock> 1500 lines for a MP is a bit too much
[14:35] <ksamak> ok. what then?
[14:36] <ksamak> you want a bug linked to that?
[14:36] <andyrock> would be nice to split it in different branches, I'm taking a look right now
[14:36] <andyrock> I'll be back to you asap
[14:36] <ksamak> ok. no problem
[14:36] <andyrock> I want to be sure that all the changes are actually needed
[14:37] <cyphermox> davmor2: does it reboot if you hit enter though?
[14:37] <cyphermox> sounds like the xps13 has bad graphics.
[14:37] <davmor2> cyphermox: nope just drops down a line
[14:38] <cyphermox> what's the one before that?
[14:38] <davmor2> cyphermox: happen on intel across the board then
[14:38] <ksamak> andyrock: well, there's probably thins to discuss i guess
[14:38] <cyphermox> maybe
[14:38] <cyphermox> davmor2: have you filed a bug about it?
[14:38] <davmor2> cyphermox: double header gone, installer shows no slides
[14:38] <cyphermox> yeah
[14:38] <cyphermox> two bugs, one for no slides, and one for no reboot
[14:39] <andyrock> ksamak: for the moment I'm reviewing just the style and other minor changes. Then we can discuss a bit more
[14:39] <davmor2> cyphermox: will do in a meeting at the moment so will be a minute or two
[14:40] <cyphermox> davmor2: no problem
[14:41] <ksamak> andyrock: yeah, that's something i was wondering? does a11yWatcher have to adapt to compiz's coding style?
[14:41] <andyrock> yep
[14:41] <andyrock> it's inside compiz
[14:41] <andyrock> so yes
[14:42] <ksamak> cause well... i actually change compiz's code locally sometimes, cause i can't read stuff
[14:42] <ksamak> ok, i guess that'll take a little while.
[14:43] <ksamak> andyrock: tell me what else you see
[14:53] <andyrock> ksamak: please check the diff comments
[14:53] <andyrock> I'll continue the review later
[14:53] <andyrock> once these are fixed
[14:54] <ksamak> ok.
[14:54] <ksamak> thanks
[14:56] <ksamak> andyrock: i guess i could've checked the coding style better, i thought there might have been some more general/structure things to change.
[14:56] <ksamak> i'll get on that
[14:56] <andyrock> i'll check that later
[16:44] <willcooke> Laney, did you have an Ikea chair that was good?
[16:44] <Laney> willcooke: yeah, markus or something, quite decent
[16:45] <Laney> think Trevinho has it too?
[16:45] <Laney> and didrocks
[16:45] <willcooke> I'll google that, thx
[16:45] <Trevinho> Yes I've it
[16:45] <Trevinho> Marco has Markus :-)
[16:45] <willcooke> :))
[16:45] <Trevinho> and seb too I think
[16:45] <willcooke> Does it have arms on?
[16:45] <Trevinho> yep
[16:45] <Laney> yep
[16:45] <willcooke> perfect
[16:45] <Trevinho> you can't change their height tho
[16:46] <willcooke> ah, kk
[16:46] <Trevinho> which is somewhat annoying sometimes...
[16:46] <Trevinho> the only bad think I of that chair i think
[16:46] <willcooke> I fear another trip to Ikea is on the cards
[16:48] <willcooke> hurrr. The floor protector is called Kolon
[16:48]  * Laney wanted something from there the other day
[16:48] <Laney> Not available online
[16:48] <willcooke> That's how they get you
[16:50] <Laney> sneaky little swedes
[16:51] <ogra_> hurry up before the brexit makes them unpayable ;)
[16:52] <Laney> I actually looked on ebay for the same thing
[16:52] <Laney> it was like 2×, coming from .de
[16:52] <ogra_> wow
[16:52] <ogra_> thats bad
[16:52] <Laney> that's including postage
[16:52] <Laney> ya
[16:52] <Laney> better to try to get a lift over there :P
[16:53] <ogra_> heh, yeah ...
[16:54] <ogra_> eurostar ikea tours ... new market niche
[16:56] <Laney> did you see 'sleeping in ikea'?
[16:56] <ogra_> nope (heard of it though)
[16:57] <Laney> looks like fun
[18:23] <willcooke> night all
[18:47] <seb128> have a nice evening desktopers!
[18:58] <dobey> desrt: is it just impossible to pass an unsigned int to gdbus cli tool?
[18:58] <dobey> 0u gets interpreted as string, and 0 as regular int :-/
[18:59] <desrt> 'uint32 0'
[18:59] <desrt> or @u 0
[18:59] <dobey> ah
[19:11] <desrt> 0u might be a nice syntax to support
[19:11] <desrt> patches welcome =)
[19:12] <dobey> heh
[19:14] <desrt> jjohansen: hey
[19:14] <desrt> jjohansen: attente mentioned that you're working on adding support for regexps to the dconf stuff.  i was wondering how you imagine that working...
[19:17] <attente> i'm a bit concerned about how this watch path merging is going to work. if paths with different permissions get merged together to a single watch path, i'm not sure how the dconf side is expected to ahead-of-time query the permissions for paths that disappear due to the merge
[19:33] <davmor2> cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1659395 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1659398
[20:06] <jjohansen> desrt, attente: atm it won't. It is going to be rejecting rules with regexs. dconf won't see path merging in the watch lists
[20:15] <Sweet5hark> The constant swearing you hear in the background is a perlhaters unexpected journey into the debhelper source code.
[20:23] <mdeslaur> Sweet5hark: danger! staring directly at debhelper perl code may cause blindness and insanity!
[20:23] <cmiller> We evicted Py2. Shoulda targeted Perl first.
[20:23] <dobey> blasphemer
[20:24] <cmiller> Write-only languages are hard to replace. :(
[20:31] <Sweet5hark> mdeslaur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od6hY_50Dh0 *whistles*
[20:31] <mdeslaur> hehe
[20:42] <desrt> jjohansen: sounds good.  thanks.
[20:42]  * Sweet5hark find nothing particularly hate-inducing in the stuff beyond the obvious (its perl). but maybe seeing much libreoffice source and writing an full OOP build system in pure GNU make already killed remaining bits of my soul earlier in life.
[20:43] <desrt> jjohansen: also please stop calling them "watch lists" :)
[20:43] <desrt> it makes me think that we're still not on the same page about exactly what this API is supposed to do
[20:43] <desrt> it's not just about watching.  it's the authoritative list of what is allowed to be read and written
[20:44] <dobey> Sweet5hark: you're just not wearing enough hats
[20:47] <Sweet5hark> dobey: oh, I do. No day without at least two or three hats. Fashionable though not too ... for lack of an english word: alltagstauglich
[20:49] <dobey> heh
[20:49] <dobey> Sweet5hark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2QJvc_SxFQ
[21:03] <flocculant> robert_ancell: re the issue we're seeing with lock - I managed today to do some checks, losing light-locker and using gnome-screensaver then xscreensaver - perhaps that helps track down the issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker/+bug/1656399/comments/16
[21:04] <robert_ancell> flocculant, thanks
[21:05] <ochosi> robert_ancell: following up on what flocculant said, is there any significant change between 1.21.1 and 1.21.3
[21:05] <ochosi> ?
[21:05] <flocculant> 1.21.2 ochosi - that was when it broke for us
[21:06] <ochosi> oh ok, that should narrow it down even more closely then
[21:06] <flocculant> yup
[21:06] <robert_ancell> ochosi, I think the only significant change is the change pitti made to use logind to terminate sessions
[21:06] <ochosi> humm, so any idea what would have to be changed on the greeter side?
[21:06] <robert_ancell> ochosi, if you could compile a local version with that change removed (rev 2437) that would confirm it
[21:06] <ochosi> or would you argue that it just exposes a bug in the greeter?
[21:07] <robert_ancell> ochosi, I think it has exposed a bug in the greeter (it's not exiting cleanly for some reason) and the daemon (it's not handling a non-clean exit correctly)
[21:07] <ochosi> right
[21:08] <ochosi> so you didnt have to change anything in unity-greeter to make this work for you then
[21:08] <robert_ancell> ochosi, no
[21:09] <robert_ancell> I'm just trying to knock out a snapd-glib 1.5 release, then I'll get back to looking at this issue in more detail
[21:10] <ochosi> ok, thanks! it's much appreciated!
[21:10] <flocculant> yup - thanks :)