[07:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[12:40] <He_> Hallo
[12:50] <zedroid> Hello! Is it possible to use linux application (e.q Chromium) in kiosk mode for ubuntu touch? Also can I add my own script to autoboot in the same system?
[14:19] <dobey> zedroid: it sounds like what you want is ubuntu-core snappy system with kiosk stuff
[14:20] <dobey> kgunn: ^^ what was the url for the wiki page for the kiosk stuff?
[14:27] <zedroid> I'm not going to develop my own embedded hardware and I don't think that ubuntu core supports  wide number of devices.
[14:29] <zedroid> Thats why ubuntu touch is the best case imho. Maybe possible to start other than Xmir DE in Touch?
[14:30] <dobey> no, phone/tablet images are built to be phone/tablet images. you could build your own custom image that does something different if what you want is a kiosk device, though
[14:31] <dobey> the images aren't generic either. each supported device must have images built specifically for it
[14:31] <mterry> tedg_: in the u8 snap, snap apps in the drawer are shown twice -- is that a known issue?
[14:31] <tedg_> mterry: Yeah, fixed in silo 2105 :-)
[14:32] <tedg_> mterry: They're not shown twice actually, once for every compatible interface. So it would be 1-3 times :-)
[14:32] <mterry> tedg_: ah...  so once we get a successful UAL build and redo the snap, it might be fixed?
[14:32] <tedg_> mterry: Yeah
[14:33] <mterry> nice  :)
[14:33] <tedg_> I should rebuild 2129 sometime too
[14:33] <tedg_> Hoping to kill it soon :-)
[14:34] <tedg_> mterry: Can you hit the recycle button on U8 here for me please? https://bileto.ubuntu.com/excuses/2384/zesty.html
[14:34] <mterry> tedg_: done
[14:34] <tedg_> Thank you
[14:35] <mterry> tedg_: yeah killing the silo would mean we no longer pull in -proposed, which would be nice
[14:36] <dobey> until the next one anyway
[14:37] <zedroid> Yes, but I mean, I just want to start browser on the top of the DE. Is it really no simple ways to do this in touch?
[14:38] <pmcgowan> zedroid, sure there are, have you see the blogs on kiosks
[14:38] <dobey> zedroid: you need to create a libertine container, install chromium in it, and then probably create an upstart job in the phablet user's home dir, to run 'ubuntu-app-launch $app_id_of_chromium' when the session has finished starting
[14:40] <Saviq> Elleo, hey, do you have a bug for the OSK about switching languages mid-word? When you type "foo", switch language and choose a auto-completed word "foobar", it will actually end up being "foofoobar"
[14:43] <zedroid> dobey: That is what I want to find. upstart job should be made inside of the libertine container or in the "host" system?
[14:43] <bregma> zedroid, in the host system, in .config/upstart
[14:44] <Elleo> Saviq: no, don't think that's been spotted before; if you could file a bug that'd be great :)
[14:44]  * Saviq does
[14:44] <Elleo> thanks
[14:46] <zedroid> bregma, dobey: Thank you very much
[14:52] <pmcgowan> dobey, why does he need libertine and chrome? he started asking about core
[14:52] <pmcgowan> he doesnt need all that
[14:52] <pmcgowan> he can do browser straight to GL is he wants
[14:55] <dobey> pmcgowan: no, i suggested core.
[14:56] <dobey> pmcgowan: the original question explicitly mentioned chromium
[14:56] <Saviq> Elleo, bug #1659319
[14:56] <pmcgowan> dobey, ack
[14:57] <Elleo> Saviq: thanks
[14:59] <Elleo> Saviq: is this under X or mir?
[15:01] <Saviq> Elleo, does it matter? phone, so Mir
[15:02] <Elleo> Saviq: odd, I'm not able to reproduce it on my phone
[15:03] <Saviq> Elleo, huh, can't repro now, either
[15:04] <Saviq> Elleo, I think it depends whether the original language had an auto-complete for that word
[15:05] <Saviq> Elleo, let me write exact steps
[15:05] <Elleo> Saviq: thanks
[15:06] <Saviq> Elleo, updated the bug description - I think it depends on the layouts you toggle between
[15:07] <Saviq> but can reliably reproduce with (En)"bar" → (Pl) → "dz" → select "bardzo" → "barbardzo"
[15:08] <Elleo> Saviq: yeah, I can reproduce it with that now too, thanks
[15:18]  * taiebot misses daily updates my phone has become too boring :-)
[15:41] <kgunn> sorry was off earlier, but for future reference https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/mir-snaps/
[15:41] <kgunn> dobey: ^
[15:48] <Satyam2345> .
[15:48] <ogra_> ,
[15:49] <Satyam2345> Oh and i thought connection broke again
[15:49] <Satyam2345> any ubtouch porter
[15:49] <Satyam2345> worked with mtk devices
[15:51] <Satyam2345> i've heard touch going to make android app run on it
[15:52] <k1l_> do they? or was that just a rumor?
[15:54] <dobey> no
[15:55] <ogra_> Satyam2345, regarding the drivers you probably have better luck in the #ubports channel
[15:55] <dobey> well, so, anyone can make an android app run on ubuntu. you just have to package the app and the android runtime inside your package
[15:55] <ogra_> "just"
[15:55] <ogra_> :)
[15:56] <Satyam2345> plasma was working on Shashlik ~~ dalvik'
[15:56] <Satyam2345> its stopped for now
[15:57] <Satyam2345> can't something similar can be done on ubtouch
[15:57] <ogra_> like dobey said, you'd have to bundle the execution environment in your package
[15:57] <Satyam2345> its not that simple as you've said it
[15:58] <ogra_> the switch to snap packages might make it easier ... it could become a framework that other snaps then use via the content sharing interface
[15:58] <ogra_> but thats still a bit away
[16:02] <Satyam2345> do you own a ubtouch device
[16:02] <ogra_> a few
[16:02] <Satyam2345> a nexus??
[16:03] <ogra_> i have a nexus but that has not been booted in 2 yeras or so
[16:03] <ogra_> *years
[16:03] <dobey> which nexus
[16:03] <ogra_> i use a maizu mx5pro as daily driver
[16:03] <Satyam2345> < ' ' >!!
[16:03] <ogra_> *meizu
[16:03] <Satyam2345> why not booted ..is bricked or damaged
[16:04] <ogra_> no, just collecting dust
[16:04] <ogra_> (nexus4 that is)
[16:04] <Satyam2345> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[16:05] <Satyam2345> nexus 4... you can try doing something of
[16:05] <Satyam2345> as flashing roms
[16:05] <ogra_> the 4 is an awful device ... good hardware and all but the all-glass case is unbearable if you actually use it for more than compiling stuff on it IMHO
[16:06] <ogra_> it is slippery in the hand, slides off tables if they are not 100% plain etc etc
[16:06] <Satyam2345> are you a android dev
[16:06] <ogra_> nope
[16:07] <Satyam2345> maybe you can send it to me ..LOL
[16:07] <ogra_> (ubuntu dev ... )
[16:07] <Satyam2345> want don't you try plasma-mobile on it
[16:07] <ogra_> because i'm happy with it as is ...
[16:07] <Satyam2345> but you have to build it... So not do so
[16:08] <dobey> ogra_: i like when i have my n4 sitting on my desk and it just starts spinning
[16:08] <ogra_> haha, yeah
[16:08] <Satyam2345> (^_^) happy from a dead phone
[16:09] <Satyam2345> i crushed my phone a month ago .. due to service was a shiit. they taken 6 month for replacement
[16:09] <Satyam2345> it was a YU YUNIQUE
[16:09] <Satyam2345> its chinese brand
[16:10] <Satyam2345> hows the performance of ubuntu touch nowadays
[16:11] <ogra_> for me its fine ... not missing anything
[16:11] <ogra_> but i havent touched any android phone in a long time so i cant really compare
[16:11] <Satyam2345> i can't see any recent review on youtube.. All of them are 2 year ago
[16:11] <Satyam2345> i were wishing to buy one.. but i think i might reconsider..
[16:12] <Satyam2345> are you on telegram
[16:14] <Satyam2345> add @Satyam2345 and send some screenshots..i like to see it
[16:15] <ogra_> https://plus.google.com/+PopescuSorin has a lot of videos and screenshots
[16:15] <Satyam2345> thanks..
[16:15] <ogra_> (i guess you need to scoll a bit for phone specific stuff, the recent bits are more about the desktop mode and snap packages)
[16:16] <Satyam2345> What you develop specifically on ubtouch
[16:16] <ogra_> nothing anymore ...
[16:16] <ogra_> i'm working on snappy ubuntu core nowadays
[16:17] <ogra_> doing hardware enablement, manitaining the raspberry pi and dragonboard images etc
[16:17] <Satyam2345> wow..then u must have a lot of arm devices lying around
[16:17] <ogra_> a few
[16:18] <Satyam2345> i wanted to get a raspberry pi but i see no use of it now..and its costly in india due to taxes
[16:19] <Satyam2345> Odroid Xu4 was another board i might buy. in coming summer
[21:44] <Genuine> Hi
[21:44] <Genuine> is anyone here?
[21:45] <k1l_> better ask the specific question and see if someone can answer that :)
[21:45] <Genuine> ok
[21:45] <Genuine> Does anyone know if I could install ubuntu phone OS on any phone? if not when is the upcoming ubuntu phone OS going to be released?
[21:46] <larreamikel[m]> You can check:
[21:46] <larreamikel[m]> https://github.com/MariusQuabeck/magic-device-tool
[21:46] <Genuine> also, if I manage to install ubuntu desktop OS will the SIM card work and the right drivers be installed?
[21:46] <k1l_> Genuine: you can install it on phones, but you need to port it first. on the mobile devices you cant just use a generic install cd/usb like on the laptop.
[21:46] <larreamikel[m]> or https://ubports.com/
[21:47] <k1l_> Genuine: desktop ubuntu is differently from the ubuntu touch right now
[21:47] <Genuine> both will be united as one?
[21:47] <Genuine> in the future
[21:48] <Genuine> amazing links thank you very much
[21:50] <k1l_> Genuine: yes. but you still need a special rom made to work on that exact hardware.
[21:51] <k1l_> you cant just install a random OS on smartphones. that will not work because the driver situation is a mess
[21:51] <Genuine> one day! or i will just buy an ubuntu phone.. any ideas when they are going to be out?
[21:51] <Genuine> yea i always thought that, I wish tablets and phones had better drivers support like pc hardware
[21:53] <Genuine> I read somewhere that Ubuntu is working on a new mobile OS anyone knows when thats going to be released? Sorry too much questions..
[21:54] <dobey> it was "released" 3 years ago. :)
[21:55] <Genuine> so theres isn't a new one other than the current one?
[21:56] <dobey> there isn't something especially different in terms of user experience, no. it's the same thing. we are working on some major improvements, but it's just further iteration on what we have today
[21:56] <k1l_> Genuine: they are changing some internals to a new setup. like switching from click packages to snap packages. since ubuntu uses the snap package over all installed systems now.
[21:56] <Genuine> Do you have any specific dates or period of time of when a new phone by ubuntu will be released? Im hoping to buy a new one but there isnt any on the website.
[21:57] <dobey> we're moving to a snappy based system, which is a huge amount of changes, but it's almost all lower level stuff to make that work. there are some design changes and stuff too, and you can play around with it today if you want
[21:57] <dobey> ubuntu doens't make phones. when a phone geets released with ubuntu installed on it, will be up to the manufacturer of the phone
[21:57] <Genuine> that's amazing :D
[21:58] <Genuine> correct, but i meant this https://www.ubuntu.com/mobile/devices
[21:59] <Genuine> ok so mostly there will be more devices ones ubuntu finished the move to snappy.
[21:59] <dobey> right. and no new devices will appear on there before the manufacturer decides to announce it :)
[22:00] <dobey> that's the idea, yeah
[22:00] <Genuine> I see, my best option today is to buy one of these devices "mostly have android on them" then install ubuntu on them.
[22:01] <dobey> assuming it's a supported device, yes
[22:01] <dobey> i wouldn't suggest buying a random phone and hoping to get a fully working ubuntu on it easily. :)
[22:02] <Genuine> yea, someone here provided a link of supported devices. Thank you very much. one last question, any approximate date of when ubuntu finishes the move to snappy and it will be ready?
[22:02] <dobey> if you want a phone, a google nexus 4 or meizu pro 5 are probably the best options right now if you can find one. you might be able to find someone selling one of the other ubuntu edition devices on ebay or similar too
[22:03] <dobey> when it's ready :)
[22:04] <Genuine> alright thanks. And thank you guys for creating an alternative to today's phones..
[22:09] <larreamikel[m]> Be careful with what you buy now. My suggestion is to wait for the next movements of ubuntu touch, because nobody has clarified if any of the actual supported phones will be ported to the new snap system.
[22:10] <Genuine> I have read multiple times that ubuntu accepts donation of old devices does that include desktops and laptops?
[22:11] <Genuine> Yea, I'm going to wait.
[22:11] <larreamikel[m]>  no idea about that, sorry.
[22:12] <Genuine> no problem.
[22:17] <danielthebague> hi folks whats the news for the ubuntu BQ E4.5 i heard that development for it will cease and only a few security updates will be realeased for it!!
[22:18] <danielthebague> Should i go out and get a new phone?
[22:20] <k1l_> development is not stopped. there are changes in the low level system like the switch from click packages to the ubuntu wide snap packages, and so it will ned some time so not the work done now has to be redone again.
[22:21] <k1l_> and security updates are very worth it. on many other OS devices you dont get any updates and are vulnerable to old linux kernel security issues.
[22:23] <danielthebague> so no reason as of yet to save up for and purchase a newer version of the ubuntu phone
[22:24] <Genuine> i'm saving up for the newer version :)
[22:25] <danielthebague> Genuine is that the mx5?
[22:26] <dobey> there is no ubuntu mx5. it's the pro 5. if you're planning to buy one, make sure you're very aware of the difference :)
[22:27] <Genuine> i dont think so. I will wait till ubuntu announces that it finished ubuntu touch os and phone manufacturers install it on their phones.
[22:29] <Genuine> then i will move to ubuntu phone and never go back :P
[22:35] <danielthebague> Yes will probbaly wait and see what happens
[22:35] <Genuine> yea