[11:54] morning [12:05] Morning [14:26] morning [14:28] * rick_h hates being at dealerships with the tvs always on loud on news [14:29] rick_h: simple solution: sell your cars. :p [14:29] jrwren: going to be hard to get the 10,000lb trailer to VA that way [14:29] * jrwren was last at a dealer when car was purchased 2 yrs ago. ;) [14:31] rick_h: a little pain now for a lot of pleasure later, eh? [14:32] jrwren: definitely [14:32] jrwren: on the brain since we were spending time last night looking at spring break plans to head to VA and maybe stop in the TN smokies on the way back [14:33] * rick_h turns on noise cancelling and puts the music on to drown out the news [14:35] rick_h: are you the only one in the sound booth? just turn it down.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [14:37] time to carry a tv-b-gone? [14:37] bonus if yout built it yourself. [14:37] double bonus if it has wifi and runs ubuntu-core [14:38] tripple bonus if it runs ubuntu unstead. ;) [14:38] shakes808: heh, no there's 7 or 8 folks here all sitting in front of the tv riveted [14:38] * rick_h is off to the side laptop'ing away [14:39] jrwren: https://media.giphy.com/media/qqzOG3rgcqXbW/giphy.gif [14:39] rick_h: gotcha, that sucks. [14:39] meh, I'm just whining [14:39] Then maybe you need you need that "tv-b-gone" solution I just posted :) [14:42] I find this career path very interesting. Leveraging PYthon skills without the web crap, for science! https://www.datacamp.com/community/blog/web-development-data-science#gs.IOEePfg [14:42] shakes808: lol [14:42] brousch__: that is funny. I did python without the web for many many years before I ever did python for the web. [14:44] it's one of hte things I <3 about python is that it's skills you can use for anything [14:46] Yeah, but it's hard to find non-web Python jobs right now. We actually have some here, but it's considered legacy code and is moving to Go. [14:46] poor python. people under the false impression that go is better and faster. [14:47] Concurrency is the issue sited here. [14:47] Spinning up a ton of Python processes to talk to redis [14:51] there are so many great python solutions for that, moving to go is foolish. [14:52] It also kind of sucks that we're stuck on Python 2.7, because of Salt [14:53] that does suck. [14:53] Moving a bunch of stuff to Xenial and systemd right now [14:53] I used fabric. I never used salt. [14:54] but, if salt is only for deploying, can't you use python 3 for your apps and still deploy it with python2? [14:54] We could, but like I said, the Python apps are considered legacy [14:55] * jrwren shakes head [14:55] i really dislike this industry, the older I get. [14:55] I should have been a doctor or a lawyer and just programmed for hobby. [14:56] Doctors and lawyers will be replaced by Watson [14:57] jrwren: Are you still at Canonical, working on Juju? [14:57] I could never have been a doctor [14:57] turns out...I hate people [14:57] especially stupid ones. I'd never get a patient base. [14:57] * shakes808 agrees [14:57] "oh quit your fussing...are you dead yet?" [14:57] Funeral director? [14:58] brousch__: yes, still here, working with rick :) [15:00] wheee [15:00] Isn't that written in Go? [15:01] brousch__: it was originally python. it was rewritten in go. IMO this was a mistake. [15:01] <_stink_> brousch__++ [15:01] brousch__: I'm monday morning quarterbacking. I've no insight into the history of that decision. My opinion is mine and mine alone :) [15:03] I appreciate your opinion. You have a lot of experience in this realm [15:05] brousch__: I've made python go very fast. both for CPU bound and for IO bound applications. pypy and cython for the cpu bound stuff. pycurl for the io bound stuff. [15:06] PHP question, if anyone knows. I am seeing this -> http://pastebin.com/BuiSXxEV What is the \SimpleXMLElement? I can't find any references why there is a \ preceding the Class name. [15:06] tuning uwsgi for the web stuff. It is amazing how fast you can actually make it go. [15:07] shakes808: google is your friend. "php simplexmlelement" first link: http://php.net/manual/en/class.simplexmlelement.php [15:07] or, in my case, duckduckgo. [15:07] shakes808: same thing for backslash: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=php+new+operator+backslash&atb=v32-7b_&ia=qa [15:14] jrwren: thank you. i think i wasn't getting anything because i searching literally \SimpleXMLElement and \ in the search instead of typing out "backslash" ... :| I see it with the namespace\foo, but haven't seen it with just \namespace before. [15:15] shakes808: afaik, that tells it the root namespace. [15:15] shakes808: and since namespaces are newer in php, most things are in the root namespace [15:17] jrwren: makes sense. thank you [15:53] has anyone else's twitter feed turned into just a maas of depression? [15:53] * rick_h has to close it...too much [15:53] yes [15:53] <_stink_> Melancholy as a Service? [15:53] especially this morning. [15:56] rick_h: Yes [16:03] jrwren: ping [16:07] jcastro: pong. On a call. I was planning to lyft there and get there on time. [16:08] ok, omw. [16:17] Hm, shouldn't this page show Ubuntu 16.10 by default? https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop [16:19] brousch__: scroll down. it is there? LTS is apparently prefered. [16:19] yea, LTS is the default for most things [16:19] That seems strange for the Desktop page [16:19] I guess desktop might be ok to not be...but meh [16:20] that is a giant space down the page from 16.04 to 16.10 [16:20] would be nice to get that closer together imo [16:20] Yeah, I didn't even seen it until jrwren mentioned it [16:25] They gave me a Windows desktop at work to go along with my Windows laptop. I might as well nuke the desktop and try some Ubuntus [16:26] if it is windows 10, try ubuntu for windows. [16:29] Ew [16:29] It will basically be for running vagrant+virtualbox [16:29] It's win7 [16:31] ah, the best windows [16:32] ++ [21:14] Xubuntu is the bizomb [22:18] +1 I love Xubuntu [22:18] I think it is my favorite Ubuntu flavor. [22:18] I've not ruled out lubuntu just yet either. [22:24] some days working from home where within the immediate 2 next door neighbors there are a total of 6 boys (8mos - 7 years) is a bit tough. [22:24] bulk of them (4) are 5-7 [22:24] so they can go outside and play and be out of your hair? [22:25] jcastro got me checking for att fiber like what what waht... click click click... NOOOoooo!!! [22:25] just got them out there :) [22:25] one was up next to my office door screaming into a walkie talkie "CAN YOU HEAR ME?!" I went out and said "You're talking into a walkie talkie, you don't need to scream." "OK" he says. then proceeds to scream more. [22:26] kids man [22:26] <_stink_> haha [22:26] <_stink_> my 4 year old does that [22:27] take walkie talkie away. [22:27] tell kid to leave the building. [22:27] I am not a popular dad. :) [22:27] :) I didn't do #1, but did #2 [22:27] <_stink_> rage smash walkie talkie? [22:27] _stink_: yes... or... consider yourself very patient and self controlled for not rage smashing walkie talkie [22:27] <_stink_> win win [23:43] greg-g: is there was a close by coworking space I'd be in air at least a few times a week [23:44] Always fun when the boys go nuts all over [23:44] yeah, there's one downtown, just about 7 blocks away, I haven't yet even priced them [23:51] We priced one over by us for when we lived in our old place [23:51] so JoDee could have an actual office space [23:51] It was a bit pricey, and they seemed hot on the whole "office vibe" [23:51] wherein people would randomly talk to other people [23:52] Wonder if you can rent a storage locker cheaper. [23:52] sounds like the ones around here. [23:52] "Yes, I'd like a 12x12 with a fiber connection"