[11:54] <cmaloney> morning
[12:05] <rick_h> Morning
[14:26] <shakes808> morning
[14:28]  * rick_h hates being at dealerships with the tvs always on loud on news
[14:29] <jrwren> rick_h: simple solution: sell your cars. :p
[14:29] <rick_h> jrwren: going to be hard to get the 10,000lb trailer to VA that way
[14:29]  * jrwren was last at a dealer when car was purchased 2 yrs ago. ;)
[14:31] <jrwren> rick_h: a little pain now for a lot of pleasure later, eh?
[14:32] <rick_h> jrwren: definitely
[14:32] <rick_h> jrwren: on the brain since we were spending time last night looking at spring break plans to head to VA and maybe stop in the TN smokies on the way back
[14:33]  * rick_h turns on noise cancelling and puts the music on to drown out the news
[14:35] <shakes808> rick_h: are you the only one in the sound booth? just turn it down.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[14:37] <jrwren> time to carry a tv-b-gone?
[14:37] <jrwren> bonus if yout built it yourself.
[14:37] <jrwren> double bonus if it has wifi and runs ubuntu-core
[14:38] <jrwren> tripple bonus if it runs ubuntu unstead. ;)
[14:38] <rick_h> shakes808: heh, no there's 7 or 8 folks here all sitting in front of the tv riveted
[14:38]  * rick_h is off to the side laptop'ing away
[14:39] <shakes808> jrwren: https://media.giphy.com/media/qqzOG3rgcqXbW/giphy.gif
[14:39] <shakes808> rick_h: gotcha,  that sucks.
[14:39] <rick_h> meh, I'm just whining
[14:39] <shakes808> Then maybe you need you need that "tv-b-gone" solution I just posted :)
[14:42] <brousch__> I find this career path very interesting. Leveraging PYthon skills without the web crap, for science! https://www.datacamp.com/community/blog/web-development-data-science#gs.IOEePfg
[14:42] <jrwren> shakes808: lol
[14:42] <jrwren> brousch__: that is funny. I did python without the web for many many years before I ever did python for the web.
[14:44] <rick_h> it's one of hte things I <3 about python is that it's skills you can use for anything
[14:46] <brousch__> Yeah, but it's hard to find non-web Python jobs right now. We actually have some here, but it's considered legacy code and is moving to Go.
[14:46] <jrwren> poor python. people under the false impression that go is better and faster.
[14:47] <brousch__> Concurrency is the issue sited here.
[14:47] <brousch__> Spinning up a ton of Python processes to talk to redis
[14:51] <jrwren> there are so many great python solutions for that, moving to go is foolish.
[14:52] <brousch__> It also kind of sucks that we're stuck on Python 2.7, because of Salt
[14:53] <jrwren> that does suck.
[14:53] <brousch__> Moving a bunch of stuff to Xenial and systemd right now
[14:53] <jrwren> I used fabric. I never used salt.
[14:54] <jrwren> but, if salt is only for deploying, can't you use python 3 for your apps and still deploy it with python2?
[14:54] <brousch__> We could, but like I said, the Python apps are considered legacy
[14:55]  * jrwren shakes head
[14:55] <jrwren> i really dislike this industry, the older I get.
[14:55] <jrwren> I should have been a doctor or a lawyer and just programmed for hobby.
[14:56] <brousch__> Doctors and lawyers will be replaced by Watson
[14:57] <brousch__> jrwren: Are you still at Canonical, working on Juju?
[14:57] <rick_h> I could never have been a doctor
[14:57] <rick_h> turns out...I hate people
[14:57] <rick_h> especially stupid ones. I'd never get a patient base.
[14:57]  * shakes808 agrees
[14:57] <rick_h> "oh quit your fussing...are you dead yet?"
[14:57] <brousch__> Funeral director?
[14:58] <jrwren> brousch__: yes, still here, working with rick :)
[15:00] <rick_h> wheee
[15:00] <brousch__> Isn't that written in Go?
[15:01] <jrwren> brousch__: it was originally python. it was rewritten in go. IMO this was a mistake.
[15:01] <_stink_> brousch__++
[15:01] <jrwren> brousch__: I'm monday morning quarterbacking. I've no insight into the history of that decision. My opinion is mine and mine alone :)
[15:03] <brousch__> I appreciate your opinion. You have a lot of experience in this realm
[15:05] <jrwren> brousch__: I've made python go very fast. both for CPU bound and for IO bound applications. pypy and cython for the cpu bound stuff. pycurl for the io bound stuff.
[15:06] <shakes808> PHP question, if anyone knows.  I am seeing this -> http://pastebin.com/BuiSXxEV  What is the \SimpleXMLElement?  I can't find any references why there is a \ preceding the Class name.
[15:06] <jrwren> tuning uwsgi for the web stuff. It is amazing how fast you can actually make it go.
[15:07] <jrwren> shakes808: google is your friend. "php simplexmlelement" first link: http://php.net/manual/en/class.simplexmlelement.php
[15:07] <jrwren> or, in my case, duckduckgo.
[15:07] <jrwren> shakes808: same thing for backslash: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=php+new+operator+backslash&atb=v32-7b_&ia=qa
[15:14] <shakes808> jrwren: thank you.  i think i wasn't getting anything because i searching literally \SimpleXMLElement and \ in the search instead of typing out "backslash" ... :|  I see it with the namespace\foo, but haven't seen it with just \namespace before.
[15:15] <jrwren> shakes808: afaik, that tells it the root namespace.
[15:15] <jrwren> shakes808: and since namespaces are newer in php, most things are in the root namespace
[15:17] <shakes808> jrwren: makes sense.  thank you
[15:53] <rick_h> has anyone else's twitter feed turned into just a maas of depression?
[15:53]  * rick_h has to close it...too much
[15:53] <jrwren> yes
[15:53] <_stink_> Melancholy as a Service?
[15:53] <jrwren> especially this morning.
[15:56] <cmaloney> rick_h: Yes
[16:03] <jcastro> jrwren: ping
[16:07] <jrwren> jcastro: pong. On a call. I was planning to lyft there and get there on time.
[16:08] <jcastro> ok, omw.
[16:17] <brousch__> Hm, shouldn't this page show Ubuntu 16.10 by default? https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[16:19] <jrwren> brousch__: scroll down. it is there?  LTS is apparently prefered.
[16:19] <rick_h> yea, LTS is the default for most things
[16:19] <brousch__> That seems strange for the Desktop page
[16:19] <rick_h> I guess desktop might be ok to not be...but meh
[16:20] <rick_h> that is a giant space down the page from 16.04 to 16.10
[16:20] <rick_h> would be nice to get that closer together imo
[16:20] <brousch__> Yeah, I didn't even seen it until jrwren mentioned it
[16:25] <brousch__> They gave me a Windows desktop at work to go along with my Windows laptop. I might as well nuke the desktop and try some Ubuntus
[16:26] <jrwren> if it is windows 10, try ubuntu for windows.
[16:29] <brousch__> Ew
[16:29] <brousch__> It will basically be for running vagrant+virtualbox
[16:29] <brousch__> It's win7
[16:31] <jrwren> ah, the best windows
[16:32] <brousch__> ++
[21:14] <brousch__> Xubuntu is the bizomb
[22:18] <jrwren> +1 I love Xubuntu
[22:18] <jrwren> I think it is my favorite Ubuntu flavor.
[22:18] <jrwren> I've not ruled out lubuntu just yet either.
[22:24] <greg-g> some days working from home where within the immediate 2 next door neighbors there are a total of 6 boys (8mos - 7 years) is a bit tough.
[22:24] <greg-g> bulk of them (4) are 5-7
[22:24] <jrwren> so they can go outside and play and be out of your hair?
[22:25] <jrwren> jcastro got me checking for att fiber like what what waht... click click click... NOOOoooo!!!
[22:25] <greg-g> just got them out there :)
[22:25] <greg-g> one was up next to my office door screaming into a walkie talkie "CAN YOU HEAR ME?!" I went out and said "You're talking into a walkie talkie, you don't need to scream." "OK" he says. then proceeds to scream more.
[22:26] <greg-g> kids man
[22:26] <_stink_> haha
[22:26] <_stink_> my 4 year old does that
[22:27] <jrwren> take walkie talkie away.
[22:27] <jrwren> tell kid to leave the building.
[22:27] <jrwren> I am not a popular dad. :)
[22:27] <greg-g> :) I didn't do #1, but did #2
[22:27] <_stink_> rage smash walkie talkie?
[22:27] <jrwren> _stink_: yes... or... consider yourself very patient and self controlled for not rage smashing walkie talkie
[22:27] <_stink_> win win
[23:43] <rick_h> greg-g: is there was a close by coworking space I'd be in air at least a few times a week
[23:44] <rick_h> Always fun when the boys go nuts all over
[23:44] <greg-g> yeah, there's one downtown, just about 7 blocks away, I haven't yet even priced them
[23:51] <cmaloney> We priced one over by us for when we lived in our old place
[23:51] <cmaloney> so JoDee could have an actual office space
[23:51] <cmaloney> It was a bit pricey, and they seemed hot on the whole "office vibe"
[23:51] <cmaloney> wherein people would randomly talk to other people
[23:52] <cmaloney> Wonder if you can rent a storage locker cheaper.
[23:52] <jrwren> sounds like the ones around here.
[23:52] <cmaloney> "Yes, I'd like a 12x12 with a fiber connection"