[00:05] <jam__> so, I just plugged my laptop into a monitor (via VGA). and the task bar (task manager) disappeared. When I go in to "add widgets" it says there is still one there, but I can't get to it
[00:05] <jam__> suggestions?
[00:05] <jam__> I tried also adding a new one, but it is super tiny and floating in the middle of the desktop for some reason and I can't remove it
[01:42] <Roey> hi
[01:42] <Roey> so so so weird...
[01:42] <Roey> I have two hard drives, both are mounted yet... both have the same drive designation (/dev/sdd, and the other is /dev/sdd1 and /dev/sdd2... what gives?)
[01:42] <Roey> s/have/get assiged
[02:15] <[Relic]> sounds more like partitions on a single drive  like sda1/sda2/sda3 sdb1/sdb2 etc.
[04:08] <luis_> Does anyone one know how I can save the passpharse for my ssh key
[04:16] <luis_> ?
[04:51] <valorie> !ssh
[04:51] <valorie> luis_: ^^^
[05:10] <acheronuk> !info keychain
[05:11] <acheronuk> luis_: I tend to use that
[05:30] <[Relic]> any wayland instructions / debug how-to type of pages for 16.10?
[05:33] <[Relic]> when I try to use wayland plasma it just blinks and goes back to the login screen, so looking for some slightly more indepth ideas for figuring it out or debugging
[05:35] <valorie> [Relic]: during euro-work hours, please ask the plasma devels in #plasma
[05:35] <valorie> or even #kwin
[05:35] <valorie> they want lots and lots of tester
[05:35] <valorie> s
[05:36] <valorie> and debugging
[05:38] <[Relic]> can't test or debug if it just blinks and returns to the login screen
[05:47] <[Relic]> I think I should just go back to 14.04 and stop playing with this stuff.
[10:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:15] <user|93197> Hi guys.
[14:15] <user|93197> I need some help in installing kubuntu.
[14:15] <user|93197> Have a hard time how to dual boot from windows.
[14:16] <user|93197> anyone can guide me about it?
[14:16] <hateball> !dualboot | user|93197
[14:19] <user|93197> in ubuntu the install program was easy because it offers install ubuntu side by side. but in kubuntu installer it doesn't have one. How could I set it up that i don't need to format my drive like ubuntu installer.
[14:20] <himcesjf> Hey BluesKaj, just reporting another instance. Running Kubuntu off USB on a new system. Same lag problem when on AC which normalises when on battery
[14:20] <himcesjf> Sysinfo for 'TuxStick': Running inside KDE Plasma 5 on Ubuntu 16.10 (Yakkety Yak) powered by Linux 4.8.0-34-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3217U CPU @ 1.80GHz at 1800 MHz, RAM: 3584/3845 MB, Storage: 27/56 GB, 270 procs, 0.44h up
[14:22] <BluesKaj> himcesjf no point, think you should research that on your own
[14:22] <himcesjf> BluesKaj: Right
[14:25] <himcesjf> BluesKaj: How about you testing it by yourself?
[14:26] <BluesKaj> himcesjf, why ? I prefer to run off sata drives hdds or ssds. USBs are for temp files IMO
[14:27] <himcesjf> BluesKaj: Well, if you are interested to help identify cause
[14:30] <BluesKaj> not really , I'm busy testing 17.04..I'll leave the USB research and testing to you , himcesjf
[14:31] <hateball> user|93197: The Kubuntu installer should offer that as well
[14:31] <hateball> user|93197: is this a windows 10 system?
[14:42] <user|93197> its windows 10. it only show 4 options
[14:42] <user|93197> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/eS2GyE5XRuOTM5lRiHWq?signature=1cbd763f76e1f977bd29b2c76f7fe86d7296167c44d1a3881ae684c712f475b5&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE0ODU0NDQ2OTd9
[14:43] <user|93197> there is no side by side offer install.
[14:43] <user|93197> this is just the example. but i downloaded the lates version of kubuntu.
[14:44] <BluesKaj> user|93197, choose manual
[14:44] <user|93197> then after i choose manual what should i do next? please guide me thank you.
[14:44] <BluesKaj> that will give a list of the partitions availble to install to
[14:46] <user|93197> if use manual. will my hard drive will be formatted right? or how can i set up it to be in side by side by my windows?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> if you haven't partitioned the drive already I recommend you do so with gparted live media before you try to install
[14:47] <BluesKaj> user|93197, do some research about partitioning hard drives if you want to dual boot, it's worth the effort
[14:48] <user|93197> Ok thank you.
[14:49] <BluesKaj> !dual boot
[14:49] <BluesKaj> user|93197,^
[14:53] <hateball> user|93197: for one, 15.10 is EOL so dont install that
[14:53] <hateball> user|93197: only 16.04 or 16.10 (or 14.04 or 12.04 I guess but dont)
[14:54] <hateball> user|93197: also I think you need to disable the fast startup stuff in Windows prior to install, otherwise the drive is marked "dirty" or something, and the installer wont detect another installed OS
[14:57] <hateball> hmmm, just booted 16.10 on a windows10 machine next to me, it did not have fast startup disabled, and the installer sees the partitions just fine and offers resizing etc
[15:06] <user|93197> I see. So I need to disable the fast startup so the installer will detect the OS inside of it.
[15:06] <user|93197> I'll try it.
[15:07] <hateball> user|93197: Like I said, it worked for me without doing so. I just recall seeing it mentioned before
[15:08] <hateball> user|93197: the main thing is that you should not install 15.10
[15:09] <user|93197> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/mJxX6IuPS8axqjKuJyJs?signature=ee3db7cbe4eb71021e8db1d9d9758a9f028d8d7e81ca93caa519fe97db5da40a&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE0ODU0NDYyODF9
[15:09] <EvilRoey> hi
[15:09] <user|93197> here is the screenshot of my USB ready to boot for install.
[15:09] <user|93197> 16.04
[15:10] <hateball> user|93197: you're fine then. just the image you linked showed 15.10 installer
[15:10] <EvilRoey> my system upgraded to the Development version (11.04)... I thought I had Prompt=normal in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades... yet it skipped past 10.10!!!
[15:10] <hateball> user|93197: so yea, try disabling fast startup I guess
[15:10] <EvilRoey> er
[15:10] <EvilRoey> I DO have Prompt=normal
[15:10] <user|93197> ok thank you. I'll be back. I'll try it.
[15:11] <hateball> EvilRoey: which means you were on 10.04? which is not supported either
[15:11] <EvilRoey> oh arghhhhhhhh I did do-release-upgrade -d
[15:11] <EvilRoey> argh
[15:11] <EvilRoey> is there a way I can roll back to 10.10 from here?
[15:11] <EvilRoey> I hope stuff doesn't break fundamentally
[15:11] <hateball> Not really. And 10.10 is not supported
[15:11] <EvilRoey> already I see that I am having trouble installing Virtualbox.
[15:11] <EvilRoey> hateball: what do you mjean?
[15:12] <hateball> EvilRoey: That 10.10 is EOL
[15:12] <EvilRoey> sorry I meant 16.10
[15:12] <hateball> anything before 12.04 is, and 12.04 goes EOL in some months
[15:12] <EvilRoey> heh :)
[15:12] <hateball> ..
[15:12] <EvilRoey> I'd like to roll back to 16.10 if that's possible
[15:13] <hateball> Well there is no supported way of doing so
[15:13] <EvilRoey> ok.
[15:13] <hateball> Is anything broken in 17.04 for you?
[15:13] <EvilRoey> I just want to get past this little thing trying to set up Virtualbox's latest dpkg:
[15:13] <EvilRoey> yeah there were broken things
[15:13] <EvilRoey> that's why I upgraded
[15:13] <EvilRoey> http://pastebin.com/zU8QuCzi
[15:14] <EvilRoey> I asked in #vbox but no one is answering
[15:14] <hateball> ok lets get this straight... you were on 16.04 then?
[15:14] <hateball> but instead of upgrading to 16.10, you went to dev release 17.04 ?
[15:14] <EvilRoey> I was on 16.04, upgraded mistakenly with the -d option to 1.04
[15:14] <EvilRoey> er
[15:14] <EvilRoey> 17.04
[15:14] <EvilRoey> 17.04-devel, rather
[15:14] <EvilRoey> hateball: yes
[15:15] <hateball> yeah well there will be no easy way to roll back, chances are you'd break even more stuff
[15:15] <EvilRoey> right..
[15:15] <hateball> I am guessing vbox hasnt been updated to build its modules against the kernel in 17.04 then
[15:15] <EvilRoey> right.
[15:15] <hateball> at any rate, I'd ask in #ubuntu+1
[15:15] <EvilRoey> thanks!!!
[15:16] <acheronuk> vbox 5.1.14 seems ok here on 17.04, or at least I've not hit issues
[15:16] <EvilRoey> oh?
[15:17] <hateball> EvilRoey: do you have kernel headers etc installed?
[15:17] <acheronuk> kernel 4.9.0-11-generic
[15:17] <acheronuk> always
[15:17] <EvilRoey> hateball: I should yeah..
[15:17] <EvilRoey> I mean, it's worked every other time.
[15:18] <EvilRoey> I don't even see what the error is that is causing it  to fail
[15:18] <acheronuk> the /lib/modules/4.9.0-11-generic/misc/vboxdrv.ko built here clearly
[15:18] <EvilRoey> virtualbox-5.1_5.1.14-112924~Ubuntu~yakkety_amd64.deb
[15:18] <EvilRoey>  is what I tried installing.
[15:19] <acheronuk> that is what I have
[15:19] <EvilRoey> ok
[15:19] <EvilRoey> I mean.
[15:19] <EvilRoey> I upgraded from 16.04 -> 17.04.
[15:19] <EvilRoey> maybe it is missing something from in between
[15:19] <EvilRoey> ?
[15:19] <acheronuk> eek!
[15:20] <EvilRoey> heh shyeah
[15:24] <hateball> eh...
[15:24] <hateball> ;o
[15:25] <hateball> perhaps there is no package for zesty, but that clearly says yakkety at least
[15:25] <hateball> but if it works for acheronuk...
[15:26] <EvilRoey> right, I know
[15:33] <acheronuk> I've only rarely found issues running vbox for a previous release on one version newer
[15:51] <EvilRoey> hi
[15:51] <EvilRoey> how do I make an install USB?
[15:53] <Smurphy> What you want to install ...
[15:53] <Smurphy> "make an install USB" makes no sense.
[15:53] <EvilRoey> 16.10! :)
[15:53] <EvilRoey> ok
[15:53] <EvilRoey> I want to boot off this thing
[15:53] <EvilRoey> that's why I said make in install USB.  With the Kubuntu 10.10 image.
[15:53] <EvilRoey> er
[15:53] <EvilRoey> 16.10
[15:53] <EvilRoey> not 10.0
[15:54] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Kubuntu includes a usb image maker.
[15:54] <Smurphy> Check the startup disk creator.
[15:54] <lordievader> Copies the iso to a usb stick for you.
[15:54] <vo1pbx> unetbootin
[15:54] <vo1pbx> ?
[15:55] <vo1pbx> copies any distro to your usb bootable
[15:55] <EvilRoey> lordievader: yes!  How do I invoke it?
[15:55] <EvilRoey> Smurphy: cool, what's the command?
[15:56] <lordievader> EvilRoey: You start it and follow the steps...
[15:56] <Smurphy> usb-creator-kde
[15:57] <EvilRoey> OH MY GOD just gimme the command lordievader
[15:57] <EvilRoey> Smurphy: thankknk you
[15:57] <EvilRoey> jesus
[15:57] <BluesKaj> unetbootin is hit and miss
[15:57] <EvilRoey> I come in here and five minutes until someone actually tells me.
[15:57] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Search for the program, I don't know the command to launch it.
[15:57] <EvilRoey> sorry, I'm smiling while I say this, I don't mean to be antagonistic :)
[15:58] <EvilRoey> lordievader: ahhh got it
[15:58] <EvilRoey> so usb-creator-ke, as Smurphy says
[15:58] <Smurphy> in the start-menu, search for creator (Just type it).
[16:01] <EvilRoey> thanks
[16:01] <EvilRoey> so right off the bat it presents this status box saying Installing, which is blank save for a horizontal gray line
[16:01] <EvilRoey> when I try to close it, I get asked if I want to quit the application
[16:02] <EvilRoey> I ignored it and clicked "make usb" or something like that on the window behind it
[16:02] <EvilRoey> it wrote to the usb stick
[16:02] <EvilRoey> it now says "finishing"
[16:02] <EvilRoey> ok...rebooting, brb
[16:32] <EvilRoey> well that went quicker than I expected
[16:32] <EvilRoey> yeay USB
[16:32] <EvilRoey> that was my first time installing via USB
[16:33] <BluesKaj> usb is fase than dvd/cd
[16:33] <BluesKaj> faster
[16:35] <BluesKaj> if disk creator doesn't work dd is a good alternative, just have to be more careful
[16:35] <EvilRoey> ok
[16:36] <EvilRoey> I thought about dd but then I had no idea about the boot sector portion.. I can't just dd an .iso to a usb device and expect it to boot, right?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> yes
[16:37] <BluesKaj> you can
[16:38] <EvilRoey> oh interesting.
[16:38] <EvilRoey> BRB
[16:39] <BluesKaj> dd if=path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX(USB) bs=4M , for example
[16:40] <BluesKaj> actually /path/to/iso would be more correct
[16:44] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey, dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX(USB) bs=4M , for example, but there are many options one can add to the command. I jsut like to keep it as simple as possible due to my terrble typing abilitiy :-)
[16:45] <EvilRoey> ah :)
[16:45] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: btw, good morning :)
[16:45] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: so reinstalling is less a hassle than it used to be, I foudn out today
[16:47] <BluesKaj> yes 'mo rning EvilRoey , yeah I used a plop cd on this old machine so i could install via USB
[16:47] <EvilRoey> ahh
[16:47] <EvilRoey> is there a "maxi" version of the installation iso?
[16:47] <EvilRoey> like, 5+ GB?
[16:47] <EvilRoey> I have a 14 GB stick.
[16:47] <EvilRoey> and this installation image uses 1.1 GB of it :P
[16:47] <BluesKaj> was almost twice as fast iirc
[16:47] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: yeah!!
[16:48] <BluesKaj> most kubuintu iso's are between 1 and 1.6 GB
[16:52] <genii> The Lubuntu image still fits on a regular CD but not any others
[18:39] <derrecks> Hi. Could someone help me with getting my Audio working? The onboard audio is Realtek ALC892 and it's detected my hardware and I can control it through kmix and I can see that it receives audio but it doesn't come throught my headphones. What should I do?
[19:03] <AceKing> I just installed 16.04 64 bit on my new Dell laptop. I am up to date on all my updates. I started Discover to install some software, and no matter which catagory I click on it comes up blank. Does anyone know the command to manually install  Synaptic Package Manager?
[19:06] <BluesKaj> AceKing, install muon with apt
[19:06] <AceKing> OK, just figured out the command. I was putting in to much info to install. I just ran sudo apt-get install synaptic
[19:06] <AceKing> BluesKaj: OK
[19:12] <derreks> eh I guess that my 5+ years old card just doesn't work on linux
[19:16] <BluesKaj> derreks, which card?
[19:17] <derreks> BluesKaj: ALC892 from Realtek
[19:17] <R13ose> Hi
[19:22] <BluesKaj> derreks, open alsamixer inb the terminal and make sure auto-mute is disabled then run sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel, a reboot may be needed
[19:23] <configuringMOUSE> Hello. I'm trying to remap my mouse thumb button. I've tried xte, xbindkeys, imwheel, and a few more. They all bind the mouse thumb to a key correctly, but there is an issue: when I am holding another mouse button (ie left click) and then I press the thumb button, then the thumb button will do nothing.
[19:23] <BluesKaj> the modprobe command loads the driver so there won't be any output, derreks
[19:24] <configuringMOUSE>  tested it with xev, having thumb_1 remapped to SPACE key, and while pressing thumb in fact printed space, pressing thumb while holding left click printed button 8 (default mouse thumb button), so  S O M E H O W  the sole act of holding a mouse button DENIES EVERY REMAP TOOL AVAILABLE FOR LINUX.
[19:24] <derreks> BluesKaj: I'll reboot now.
[19:24] <configuringMOUSE> I've googled for hours and there are some people who had my same issue, but no one provided an answer!!!!! i'm going crazy. I've been 4 hours on this. I just want my mouse thumb to behave as a keyboard key, why is it so complicated?
[19:25] <BluesKaj> configuringMOUSE, cross posting is frowned upon on feeenode
[19:27] <derreks_> BluesKaj: still doesn't work
[19:28] <configuringMOUSE> BluesKaj: *huh?*
[19:29] <R13ose> I am closer to my internet box and I am able to connect wireless but not when I am further away, how come?
[19:30] <BluesKaj> derreks_, do you have your settings in system settings> multimedia>Device Preference and hardware input tabs set up?
[19:30] <BluesKaj> !crosspost | configuringMOUSE
[19:31] <derreks_> BluesKaj: I think so.
[19:32] <BluesKaj> make sure
[19:32] <configuringMOUSE> BluesKaj: please, blow me
[19:32] <derreks_> How should it look like?
[19:32] <derreks_> It sees audio cards.
[19:33] <BluesKaj> configuringMOUSE, I'll ignore that, but your attitude needs adjutment
[19:35] <configuringMOUSE> BluesKaj: yeah, we could argue about what's more disrespectful, "blow me" or trying to restrict another person freedom so that person will speak only about what you want where you want it
[19:35] <BluesKaj> derreks_, use the test button in device preferences on each one listed , choose the one works and move it to the top then apply
[19:35] <derreks_> None works.
[19:36] <BluesKaj> configuringMOUSE, it's the rules , the info bot is invoked for a reason when you try to hof =g support from seberal chats at once
[19:36] <BluesKaj> several
[19:37] <configuringMOUSE> is invoked? you invoked it.. leave me alone, man, i'm not in the mood
[19:38] <BluesKaj> derreks_, in alsamixer, make sure your vol ctls are turned up to at least 80%, with no MM in the little box, that means mute
[19:40] <derreks_> BluesKaj: nothing is muted and everything is at 100%
[19:40] <BluesKaj> auto-mute is disabled ?
[19:42] <BluesKaj> it's on the far right beside loopback
[19:43] <derreks_> BluesKaj: Woah.
[19:43] <derreks_> That was it!
[19:43] <derreks_> Thank you!
[19:43] <BluesKaj> :-)
[19:46] <R13ose> Any thoughts on my question?
[19:47] <BluesKaj>  R13ose , how far away?
[19:49] <BluesKaj> and which wifi frequency settings, 2.4 or 5Ghz?
[19:57] <lordievader> R13ose: Out of signal?
[19:58] <R13ose> BluesKaj: I am not sure how far away but I am one floor away for sure.  Yet my phone gets the connections in the same spot. Frequency is 5.785 GHz
[20:00] <BluesKaj> phone over wifi I assume, R13ose
[20:01] <lordievader> R13ose: What signal strength does the laptop(?) receive?
[20:01] <R13ose> lordievader: how do I check?
[20:01] <R13ose> BluesKaj: yes my phone gets wifi
[20:03] <lordievader> R13ose: sudo iw dev <dev-name> station dump|grep signal
[20:06] <R13ose> lordievader: -70 [-70, -81] dBm
[20:06] <R13ose> I am connected wireless now
[20:06] <lordievader> That is quite low indeed.
[20:06] <BluesKaj> R13ose, 5Ghz doesn't penetrate floors and walls as well as the 2.4Ghz  channels do , try the lower 2.4 Ghz channels , especially below ch6 since you're in Canada
[20:07] <lordievader> Your phone probably has an antenna with slightly more gain, making it just enough to connect.
[20:08] <R13ose> Isn't 5Ghz better?
[20:09] <lordievader> Not necessarily, has its downsides.
[20:09] <lordievader> Smaller range being one of them.
[20:09] <BluesKaj> if you're closer to the rourter yes, because there's less traffic, but 2.4 has more range
[20:10] <R13ose> Why can other laptops work in the same area?
[20:10] <lordievader> Different antenna's
[20:10] <BluesKaj> we just told you , alot of laptops default to 2.4Ghz
[20:11] <BluesKaj> some don't even have the 5Ghz option like mine
[20:11] <R13ose> Oh, I misread
[20:11] <R13ose> How do I change to 2.4?
[20:15] <BluesKaj> I have to change it in my router if I had the 5Ghz option , my laptop can use only 2.4 , so i don't know about yours
[20:16] <lordievader> Wouldn't be surprised if NetworkManager has an option for it.
[20:17] <lordievader> nmcli shows '802-11-wireless.band' and '802-11-wireless.channel'.
[20:18] <R13ose> Ok
[20:20] <R13ose> I don't see anything in networkmanager myself
[20:23] <lordievader> R13ose: Do you know the 2.4GHz channel the router operates on?
[20:24] <lordievader> If you do, you can set it through: nmcli conn edit <network-name>; set 802-11-wireless.channel <channel>
[20:24] <lordievader> ; save
[20:28] <R13ose> lordievader: channel 11
[20:29] <R13ose> lordievader: can you put that in a pastebin, I will try that later.  I just moved the laptop and wireless failed.  I will take a break
[20:33] <lordievader> R13ose: There are irc logs...
[20:34] <lordievader> R13ose: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/01/26/%23kubuntu.html
[20:36] <R13ose> Thanks
[20:37] <BluesKaj> R13ose, also if your router has antennae the move around to get the best signalpropagation , sometimes at a 45 degree angle to either side of the router works well like so \ /
[20:38] <R13ose> BluesKaj: none
[20:39] <BluesKaj> right, you have that white bell router with no antennae , I had one of those..worked well on 2,4
[20:39] <R13ose> BluesKaj: nope, it is black
[20:40] <BluesKaj> a something stream?
[20:41] <R13ose> Sagemcom
[20:41] <R13ose> Model: Fast 5250. Home Hub 2000
[20:46] <BluesKaj> bell fibe
[20:51] <R13ose> Yep
[21:02] <R13ose> Bbl
[21:18] <mint> somewhere
[22:13] <R13ose> lordievader: I tried the command and goes inti nmcli > which if I quit says usage for save.
[22:16] <valorie> my sympathies to R13ose for having to resort to nmcli
[22:17] <R13ose> valorie: is this that bad?
[22:28] <valorie> I found it endlessly frustrating to use
[22:28] <valorie> but I assume once you know all the commands, it's much easier
[22:38] <R13ose> Yes but I want to see if I can fix my wireless
[23:41] <R13ose> Seems everyone is gone
[23:53] <valorie> R13ose: it might be good to restate your problem, and a short list of how you have tried to fix it so far
[23:53] <valorie> not that I can help