[05:57] <hikiko> hi
[06:00] <TheMuso> Hey hikiko.
[06:06] <happyaron> hey hikiko TheMuso
[06:07] <hikiko> Hi TheMuso happyaron :-)
[06:08]  * happyaron test machine dies after dist-upgrade (xenial
[08:40] <Sweet5hark> moin
[09:02] <Laney> momomo
[09:02] <Laney> inini
[09:15] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:54] <Laney> oh
[09:54] <Laney> oops
[09:54] <Laney> hi seb128!
[09:56] <seb128> hey Laney! how are you?
[09:56] <seb128> I started wondering if my IRC was working :-)
[09:58] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:59] <seb128> hey davmor2
[09:59] <Laney> seb128: good thanks!
[09:59] <Laney> climbing + folk club last night
[09:59] <Laney> my new house plants just got delivered :-o
[10:00] <Laney> supposed to be < 0° all day today, brrrr
[10:00] <Laney> how are you?
[10:00] <Laney> and hey davmor2!
[10:00] <seb128> going for indoor gardening in winter? ;-)
[10:00] <Laney> how are you also?
[10:00] <seb128> I'm fine, cold is still a bit annoying
[10:00] <Laney> thought I'd get some more green in the place
[13:59] <desrt> happy thursday!
[13:59]  * desrt encounters difficulty typing
[14:00] <seb128> hey desrt! how are you?
[14:00] <seb128> keyboard issues? too cold to type?
[14:01] <desrt> too much 5.8 last night
[14:01] <desrt> and some pretty rough boldering routes too
[14:01] <desrt> arm feel weird this morning :)
[14:01] <desrt> *arms
[14:02] <seb128> 5.8 is a climing place?
[14:03] <seb128> climbing
[14:03] <desrt> it's a difficulty level
[14:03] <seb128> oh ok
[14:03] <desrt> like 5.10+ is will/laney levels
[14:03] <desrt> 5.4, 5.5, 5.6 is around what most people could do without a whole lot of practice
[14:03] <desrt> i'm somewhere in the middle
[14:04] <seb128> I see
[14:04] <seb128> raising up your game ;-)
[14:05] <desrt> lol.  i just learned that it goes up to (at least) 5.15 on some tables
[14:05] <desrt> that's like spiderman level, i guess
[14:06] <desrt> http://outdoorswithdave.com/climbing/climbing-ratings good overview
[14:09] <desrt> nobody really completely agrees on the numbers... even gyms in toronto have some disagreement... according to this page, i was more in the 5.9-5.10 range...
[14:19] <Laney> sup
[14:19] <Laney> yessssss go desrt
[14:19] <Laney> they have the V grades at my place
[14:26] <desrt> ya... we're so weird here
[14:26] <desrt> we use the US system for toprope/lead and the V system for boldering
[14:30] <Laney> oh right, yeah, they do have different systems
[14:30] <Laney> I never do !bouldering :)
[14:31] <Laney> don't know why but the centre's training climbs are graded in font grades
[14:31] <Laney> it's all confusing
[14:32] <desrt> we went to will's gym last night (went to mine last time).... his bouldering stuff is ... strange
[14:33] <desrt> our gym is great... the routes are by the colours of the holds... at his place, the holds are randomly coloured and labelled.... if it's not labelled, it's not there
[14:33] <desrt> and some of the tape is falling off :(
[14:34] <desrt> oh... and they don't do V grades there, actually... they do it by the karate belt system... white is easiest, then yellow, etc.
[14:34] <desrt> it's a mess :)
[14:34] <Laney> usually I just try stuff until it gets too hard
[14:35] <Laney> because obviously people have different ideas of what the same grade means
[14:35] <desrt> indeed
[14:35] <desrt> i took a friend for the first time last night, though
[14:35] <desrt> so quite useful to be able to answer the question of "which one is the easiest"
[14:35] <desrt> turns out the answer is "white"
[14:36] <Laney> we have...
[14:36] <Laney> green (kids) purple black blue red yellow white orange
[14:36] <desrt> lol.  so your yellow/white/orange is the impossible stuff... for us those are the easy ones :)
[14:36]  * Laney does red and some yellow
[14:36] <Laney> done like 3-4 whites ever
[14:36] <desrt> i did one yellow last night... in two parts :p
[14:37] <desrt> my bouldering is pretty hurting
[14:37] <Laney> orange is a circlejerk for the setters and the 5 top people
[14:37] <Laney> ahhh climbing
[14:37] <desrt> mostly regretting that i didn't leave my ring at home, and trying not to mess up my nails too badly :)
[14:37] <Laney> haha
[14:38] <Laney> oh and wood too, how could I forget wood :(
[14:39] <Laney> that's like red/yellow but with crappy wood holds
[14:39] <desrt> i hate small holds
[14:40] <desrt> my ideal climbing route has some mix of overhang, big moves, and dynamic... but all on very good holds
[14:41] <Laney> opposite of me then
[14:41] <Laney> i'm relatively crap at dynos
[14:42] <Laney> relatively good at sick crimps
[14:42] <desrt> i like it... on toprope, falling is actually kinda fun
[14:42] <desrt> it makes you angry and gives you a vague desire to kill the wall... which helps
[14:43] <desrt> the only good thing about small holds is that they force you to improve your body position.... centre of gravity is everything...
[14:43] <desrt> the "ow ow ow my fingers are breaking" aspect is not so great
[14:44] <desrt> but the "get used to hugging the wall or get used to failing" aspect is kinda cool
[14:45] <Laney> i love engaging the core
[14:45] <Laney> creeping up on some crappy foot
[14:45] <Laney> where's attente, he should be joining in
[14:46] <desrt> climbing hangover
[14:46] <desrt> he had a rough night
[14:47] <desrt> fell on lead a couple of times and got into an argument with an obnoxious 5.10+ toprope with an impossible move to a crappy hold
[14:47] <attente> :(
[14:47] <desrt> i was catch... he tried like 8 times while i just sat there and left the rope alone... i was impressed
[14:49] <Laney> :'(
[14:49] <Laney> it'll go man
[14:50] <desrt> my friend killed it... they have these tall climbs there and the whole time she was like "okay... now *really* this is my last one..."
[14:50] <desrt> then rested for 10 minutes and did another
[14:50] <desrt> like 3 times...
[14:50] <desrt> ended up killing a 5.7 in the end, on her first day
[14:51] <desrt> she definitely caught the bug
[14:53] <attente> i bailed three clips up a 5.10 sport that i usually finish cleanly
[14:53] <attente> going again tonight to redeem myself
[14:53] <desrt> attente: honestly?  you looked awesome up there.  you were crushing it in the start... if anything, you just went too fast and wore yourself out
[14:56] <desrt> also.. the way you move is really nice... i climb like a drunken idiot stumbling their way home from the pub... you look like a freaking dancer up there
[14:59] <Sweet5hark> *grmble* I begin to suspect the i386/xenial snap build env on launchpad is fubar. I mean tests pass on amd64 and with just a few exceptions also on armhf, but i386 stumbles over itself on pretty much everything.
[15:04] <Sweet5hark> on the bright side though the dpkg builds of libreoffice 5.3.0 seem to succeed once I removed the beyond-evil hackery in the bowels of ./.debhelper and such that debian did.
[15:20] <Sweet5hark> looking at that the hackery, I wonder if that stuff is really worth it. seems something that will break with every second update of LO or debhelper. Prolly best left out until it can be solved in a clean way ...
[18:11] <Laney> right
[18:11] <Laney> see you tuesday :-)
[18:12] <seb128> Laney, have a nice w.e!
[19:18] <dmj_s76> sil2100: Testing for the humanity-icon-theme went well.  When do you think we'll see the -proposed package arrive in xenial?
[19:20]  * dmj_s76 crosses fingers for the .2 release
[19:31] <jbicha> dmj_s76: if 16.04.2 is still happening on Feb 2, you're too late unless you get an exception (SRUs generally have to wait 7 days before being promoted to -updates)
[19:34] <dmj_s76> jbicha: The package was uploaded...yesterday
[19:35] <dmj_s76> jbicha: Is the release still happening on Feb 2?  The daily iso doesn't list the HWE kernel in the manifest.
[19:41] <jbicha> dmj_s76: oh, your package is already in -proposed and is verified; yes, it might still make it in in .2
[19:43] <dmj_s76> okay.  Yes, hoping to have a rather embarrassing hidpi bug fixed for the installer.
[19:44] <jbicha> for 16.04.1, I believe other packages were let in that hadn't waited a full week first
[19:45] <jbicha> I think if it's an installer issue, it's especially likely to be accepted :)
[20:02] <jbicha> is the appstream generator not working? http://appstream.ubuntu.com/zesty/ and appstream.ubuntu.com/yakkety-updates/ say last update was Jan 15
[20:06] <jbicha> my test case is wine which should show up in appstream clients in zesty now :)