[04:39] <axident> New linux user here, just did a dual boot of ubuntu-mate with my Windows 10 rig and I can't seem to get Steam working.  Tried from multiple package managers... no luck
[04:40] <axident> anyone able to help me try and get steam working in my new install?
[05:32] <oldrocker99> Hello
[06:03] <mate|26817> whats app?
[06:33] <Bray90820> So for the life of me I can't seem to get ubuntu mate for the raspberry pi working
[06:33] <Bray90820> I have used DD to write the image over and over again
[06:33] <Bray90820> "sudo dd if='/media/data/ubuntu-mate-16.04-desktop-armhf-raspberry-pi.img' of=/dev/sdd1"
[06:34] <Astro7467> 1st boot is slow from memory - screen doesn't come on until it does a partition resize
[06:35] <Astro7467> I hv made a couple of images for Pi 3 Mod B, and piTop without issue
[06:36] <Astro7467> could also be a corrupt img file causing issue - think checksums are published on the download page
[06:40] <alkisg> Bray90820: and what are the contents of that partition now, if you run "ls"?
[06:41] <Bray90820> Honestly I can't even mount the partition
[06:42] <Bray90820> alkisg:
[06:43] <alkisg> Bray90820: is it formatted as a fat partition first?
[06:43] <alkisg> And, what is the output of this? file /media/data/ubuntu-mate-16.04-desktop-armhf-raspberry-pi.img
[06:44] <Bray90820> It is formatted fat yes
[06:44] <Bray90820> bash: /media/data/ubuntu-mate-16.04-desktop-armhf-raspberry-pi.img: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
[06:45] <alkisg> I wrote a "file" there
[06:45] <alkisg> Do include it in the command
[06:45] <alkisg> file /media/data/ubuntu-mate-16.04-desktop-armhf-raspberry-pi.img
[06:47] <Astro7467> for comparison this is my img file;
[06:47] <Bray90820> alkisg: http://pastebin.com/raw/th2Un1pT
[06:48] <Astro7467> DOS/MBR boot sector; partition 1 : ID=0xc, active, start-CHS (0x0,32,33), end-CHS (0x8,73,1), startsector 2048, 131072 sectors; partition 2 : ID=0x83, start-CHS (0x8,73,2), end-CHS (0x3d3,15,60), startsector 133120, 15595520 sectors
[06:48] <alkisg> Since it's a boot sector, you're suppose to write it to sdd, not to sdd1
[06:48] <alkisg> *Since it contains an MBR...
[06:48] <alkisg> Try to dd it to sdd, then run sudo partprobe /dev/sdd, and then mount sdd1
[06:49] <Bray90820> So format and run it again with sdd instead of sdd1?
[06:49] <alkisg> Without formatting
[06:50] <alkisg> The MBR is the format
[06:50] <alkisg> Take care to unmount everything first, of course
[06:50] <alkisg> if you have anything mounted off of sdd*
[06:53] <Bray90820> Would it hurt to format because it can't find /dev/sdd
[06:53] <alkisg> You can't format sdd if you can't find it
[06:53] <alkisg> Unplug and re-plug it
[06:54] <Bray90820> Lets just say for sake of argument I could find it would it hurt to format it?
[06:54] <alkisg> No, but your formatting will be reformatted
[06:54] <alkisg> So it's utterly useless
[06:54] <alkisg> Formatting means writing the mbr
[06:54] <alkisg> dd then writes the new mbr over the formatting that you did
[06:55] <alkisg> so it's completely pointless to format before dd'ing an mbr
[06:55] <Bray90820> well I need to format so dd can find it in the first place
[06:55] <alkisg> No
[06:55] <alkisg> The device node for sdd should be there even if it's not formatted
[06:55] <alkisg> It doesn't need a file system
[06:55] <alkisg> It's a block device
[06:55] <alkisg> You only need to format sdd if you want to dd to sdd1
[06:55] <alkisg> But you want to dd to sdd, not to sdd1
[06:55] <Bray90820> Your right
[06:56] <Bray90820> I just formatted it and it still can't be found
[06:56] <alkisg> How would you format it if it's not there?
[06:56] <alkisg> What command did you use?!
[06:57] <alkisg> I think you need to unplug and re-plug the sd card...
[06:57] <Bray90820> There we go
[06:58] <Bray90820> I had a few typos
[06:58] <Bray90820> DD is running now
[07:28] <Bray90820> I think a half hour for an 8gb file is to long for dd or am I just wrong?
[07:33] <alkisg> Bray90820: if you switch to another tab, and run: sudo killall -USR1 dd, you'll then be able to switch to the first tab, and see the dd progress messages
[07:34] <Bray90820> But DD will stop right?
[07:34] <alkisg> no
[07:34] <alkisg> USR1 is a special signal that tells dd to show its progress, not stop
[07:35] <Bray90820> A new terminal window?
[07:36] <alkisg> Or a new terminal tab, yes
[07:37] <Bray90820> I think something has gone wrong
[07:37] <Bray90820> http://pastebin.com/raw/CAhGLAuB
[07:38] <alkisg> First of all you should have put "bs=1m" there
[07:38] <alkisg> Now it's writing byte-by-byte, which makes it super slow
[07:39] <Bray90820> ow much has it written 5.5g or 5.1g?
[07:39] <alkisg> What is the output of `ls -lha /media/data/ubuntu-mate-16.04-desktop-armhf-raspberry-pi.img` ?
[07:39] <Astro7467> it shows it is 5/8 of the way through - so you can leave it running a bit longer
[07:39] <alkisg> GB means gigabyte
[07:39] <alkisg> GiB means gibibyte
[07:39] <alkisg> It's the same amount in different measure units, google them
[07:39] <Astro7467> the GB vs Gib is 100bytes vs 1024bytes notation
[07:40] <Astro7467> *1000 bytes
[07:40] <Bray90820> But is the 5.5 the number or is the 5.1 the number it's copied
[07:41] <alkisg> Eh, it's the same number, you didn't understand...
[07:41] <Astro7467> as alksig mentioned, for future reference, dd is faster when you give it a Block Size argument (i.e. bs=1M) - it speeds up cos you are say do things in 1 Megabyte junks
[07:41] <alkisg> What is bigger, 1 meter or 3.28084 feet? Answer, it's the same number in different units.
[07:42] <alkisg> So 5.5 GB=5.1 GiB, same number in different units
[07:42] <Astro7467> GB vs GiB is a bit like saying you travel KM vs Miles - same distance/size - different unit of measure
[07:42] <Bray90820> Oh I see
[07:54]  * ouroumov_ hates iBs.
[07:57] <ouroumov_> Bray90820, don't forget to use the command "sync" after dd
[07:57] <Bray90820> ?
[07:57] <Bray90820> DD just finished so what d I do?
[07:57] <ouroumov_> you type "sync" in the terminal
[07:57] <ouroumov_> and wait for that to complete before unplugging the key
[07:58] <ouroumov_> It will complete when you get your prompt back
[07:58] <Bray90820> What will that do?
[07:58] <ouroumov_> This is needed to flush the write buffer, make sure your data is actually written on the key and not stuck in RAM
[07:58] <Bray90820> I see
[07:59] <Bray90820> so I can unmount now?
[08:00] <Bray90820> ouroumov_:
[08:01] <Astro7467> yes, once the prompt is back after sync command you are safe to remove the card - unmount it 1st if it has auto-mounted
[08:03] <Bray90820> Hey Hey Hey it works
[08:03] <Bray90820> Thanks
[08:03] <Bray90820> Well idk actually
[08:04] <Bray90820> I got a kernel panic
[08:08] <Bray90820> Idk where to go from here
[08:09] <Astro7467> 1st thing I would do is a full package update
[08:09] <Astro7467> assuming you can at least boot in and start a terminal
[08:09] <Bray90820> I can't even do that
[08:09] <Astro7467> what was you running/doing when the kernel panic occurred?
[08:10] <Bray90820> I put the SD card in the PI plugged the USB into the pi nd that's the first thing on the screen
[08:12] <Astro7467> see https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/kernel-panic-during-first-boot/5533
[08:12] <Astro7467> seems it is a img vs SD card size issue - u using a 8GB SD?
[08:14] <Bray90820> 32GB card
[08:15] <Astro7467> that should not be a problem then - but probably worth doing the fsck on ur computer tho
[08:16] <Astro7467> so the commands - once on your computer - and assuming the sd mounts as /dev/sdd again are;
[08:16] <chen__> hello
[08:16] <Astro7467> sudo e2fsck -f /dev/sdb
[08:17] <Astro7467> sori - start again
[08:17] <Astro7467> sudo e2fsck -f /dev/sdd2
[08:17] <Astro7467> sudo resize2fs /dev/sdd2
[08:17] <Astro7467> sudo fsck.ext4 -f /dev/sdd2
[08:26] <Bray90820> Astro7467: http://pastebin.com/raw/D9vxSZnH
[08:30] <Astro7467> that all checked out OK
[08:30] <Bray90820> So what next?
[08:31] <Astro7467> before you said plug in USB - assumeed you meant the USB-OTG power?
[08:31] <Bray90820> Yes
[08:32] <Astro7467> try booting the Pi again - not seen this issue before - assume you can boot the Pi with NOOBS or Raspbian OK?
[08:33] <alkisg> Can you upload a photo of the kernel panic?
[08:33] <Bray90820> I haven't tried NOOBS or Raspbin but yes i can get you a picture
[08:37] <Bray90820> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33402675/IMG_20170126_023532.jpg
[08:52] <Bray90820> alkisg: Astro7467 Any more info for me
[08:53] <Astro7467> I am mobile at the moment.
[08:53] <alkisg> Nah, I can't see anything useful in that kernel panic
[08:54] <Bray90820> So you don know what I should do next?
[08:54] <Astro7467> only other thoughts are ; Using power supply strong enough (2.5a 5.1v for Pi 3 B). try DD again or grab NOOBS to confirm Pi isn't faulty
[08:57] <Bray90820> I have a pi 2
[08:58] <alkisg> I'm not sure pi 2's can boot from usb...
[08:58] <Bray90820> Uh
[08:59] <Bray90820> Ubuntu is being installed on an SD card
[08:59] <Bray90820> USB s for power
[08:59] <alkisg> And is it 2 Ampere?
[09:00] <Bray90820> Yes
[09:00] <Bray90820> It's a QC3 charger
[09:01] <alkisg> OK then no ideas, like Astro7467 said, try dd again or try noobs
[09:09] <Bray90820> Thanks anyways
[10:32] <sachin> Hello! anyone tell me the process to create bootable drive with presistant storage using dd command?
[10:33] <ouroumov_> sachin, it's not possible
[10:33] <sachin> Is there any way I can create bootable drive with presistant storeage?
[10:34] <ouroumov_> Yes but not with dd. Persistant storage requires finesse, dd is a hammer.
[10:34] <sachin> ok..
[10:34] <ouroumov_> sachin, try unetbootin
[10:34] <sachin> is that in official repo?
[10:35] <ouroumov_> Yes, in universe, however hang on
[10:35] <ouroumov_> yeah no I don't have a ppa
[10:36] <ouroumov_> so just sudo apt install unetbootin
[10:36] <sachin> cool! thanks buddy!
[10:36] <ouroumov_> yw
[17:14] <comptekki> I have ubuntu-mate installed (16.10) and have an external monitor that I've set as default.  Sometimes when I unpluge the external moniter the top panel doesn't move over to the laptop screen.  When it does this.  Is there a way to get the panel to move over?
[17:17] <alkisg> Go to the monitors dialog and disable the external one , at that point
[17:17] <alkisg> Or run xrandr
[17:18] <comptekki> ok, will try that next time.  Thanks
[17:18] <sixwheeledbeast> Control Center > Displays will be the place to look
[17:19] <comptekki> There is no menu to get to that.  I can right-click on desktop and open terminal.  But if it opens on the right screen area.....
[17:20] <alkisg> It usually opens where the mouse cursor is
[17:20] <alkisg> You can also assign a shortcut to a script, e.g. alt+ctrl+0 => turn off external monitor
[17:30] <comptekki> via top or xtree and can see that mate-control-ce is the process, but there is none by that name via which - must start from something else
[17:31] <alkisg> ps aux|grep control
[17:31] <alkisg> You'll see mate-control-center
[17:32] <comptekki> ah - yes and I moved my mouse over to the laptop window and it does open on the side the mouse is - thanks!
[17:58] <un1x00> Is anyone here running ubuntu mate on macbook dual boot?
[18:00] <comptekki> macbook pro 2015
[18:01] <comptekki> I use refind for booting - when needed
[18:02] <comptekki> once I go in to ubuntu-mate - it seems to then just but from there - no more refind until I run refind install from mac side - probably could run from ubuntu side also
[18:05] <comptekki> you may need to run sip off - boot from utility partition and run terminal and then run csrutil disable
[18:06] <comptekki> I know I had to do that to install refind - can't remember if it's needed to install ubuntu grub
[18:07] <comptekki> sip started with el cap - not sure which mac os you have
[20:24] <dbrass> Hi, I would have a small feature request but I don't know where I should ask for it. Unfortunately, I'm not a programmer and I have no clue where the fix should be made.
[20:24] <dbrass> When unmounting a USB drive, it would be great to have a notification when all the writes are done and the drive can be "safely removed"
[20:25] <dbrass> I once destroyed a drive by pulling it out too early after unmounting it and I want to avoid this kind of problem in the future
[20:25] <HoppingMadMan> Ok, I would go to the launchpad page and request a feature
[20:25] <dbrass> I tried asking this question on #mate but no one is active since over an hour
[20:26] <dbrass> the launchpad of ubuntu-mate?
[20:26] <dbrass> Or should I go for the upstream (mate)?
[20:26] <HoppingMadMan> I would go upstream
[20:26] <HoppingMadMan> Personally because or maybe someone here can do it in Ubuntu Mate and then push it upstream
[20:27] <HoppingMadMan> But this would be the place to ask
[20:27] <HoppingMadMan> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/
[20:28] <dbrass> yeah, there is probably a higher chance of the feature being seen if I post it in ubuntu-mate,s launchpad
[20:28] <HoppingMadMan> Maybe, or do you use Twitter or Facebook
[20:29] <dbrass> I don't have an account in either
[20:29] <dbrass> (of them)
[20:29] <HoppingMadMan> Oh, ok well try hang around in here maybe one of the devs might come by and see it or if not some one might know a dev personally and can send your request on
[20:31] <HoppingMadMan> If you use git maybe you could message some of the Devs
[20:32] <dbrass> I'll try to catch wimpy of poppey in the jb channel
[20:32] <dbrass> (or)
[20:33] <HoppingMadMan> Yeah that was going to be my next suggestion just DM them on IRC they are really nice people and sure wouldn't be bothered it and if not might be able to grant your request
[20:37] <dbrass> or otherwise they'll direct me to the best method (as they see fit)
[20:37] <dbrass> thanks for your help
[22:26] <thea> is the new menu for mate (brisk) allready in the ppa for 16.04?
[22:29] <Astro7467> I haven't looked in the last week or so, but suspect 16.04 won't get briskmenu as it looks like it is GTK3 - but haven't confirmed that
[22:32] <Astro7467> I just looked at Wimpy's ppa and no xenial pkg there still
[22:34] <thea> thank you for looking
[22:34] <thea> i was there to but couldnt figure out if its in there or not
[22:35] <thea> too
[22:36] <Astro7467> I hv the ppa on my xenial install, so I just saw the error from apt update is still there - lazy but effective
[23:10] <wayne_> hi all
[23:10] <wayne_> does anyone know how to resolve the sync issue with chromium on ubuntu mate?
[23:41] <HoppingMadMan> Never had that issues before wayne_ any more information than that?
[23:59] <wayne_> ive been trying to get syncing of bookmarks and extensions working in chromium
[23:59] <wayne_> ive tried removing and reinstalling and also clearing all application cache/history