[00:00] brb [00:03] Just burnt a Debian Live DVD, going to test it [00:08] :) [00:09] (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/E3u503XE/file_1830.jpg [00:11] :D [00:12] works fine :) [00:13] even got the pretty progress bar in Plasma 5.9 :) [00:13] lol [00:13] lovely! [00:13] thanks so much for fixing k3b, y'all [00:14] to sort maybe.... [00:14] (1) versioning if we do a pre-release snapshot [00:14] Riddell: thanks for packaging it, its looking good! [00:15] acheronuk: help > about k3b is saying Version 17.04.00 [00:15] (2) disable libcddb and see if musicbrainz works for cdinfo in CD ripping. at the moment building with libcddb would get it stuck in proposed [00:15] (3) review old patches [00:16] 17.04.0~somethinggit then? [00:17] dunno, not keen on that myself [00:17] that is usual debian for a pre-lease snapshot AFAIK [00:18] *pre-release [00:18] Don't KDE Apps usually have a RC? [00:18] clivejo: what did you have in mind? [00:18] ie 16.11.90 for Apps 16.12 [00:18] 17.01.90 ? [00:19] 17.01.90+git20170128 [00:19] maybe. better check with KDE [00:19] not sure, I dont like assuming version numbers [00:20] been bit too many times [00:20] no, which is why I would rather check and be conservative with the choice [00:29] when id our freeze? [00:29] clivejo: feature freeze is 16th Feb [00:29] oupps [00:29] eak [00:30] not long really [00:30] nope [00:30] and so much to do! [00:30] PIM might end up a FFE [00:31] looking likely [00:33] just need to get major versions of most things in before that date. can still do fix releases after that [00:35] but its getting stuff in thats the problem [00:35] kexi, peruse, kio-gdrive, .............. [00:36] kio-gdrive needs libkgapi which needs part of PIM! [00:37] kexi needs a stack of new packages [00:37] anyways, my head hurts and I need sleep [00:37] night all [00:38] ok. night [00:38] sweet dreams, clive [00:38] nightmares you mean? [00:38] congrats all on a successful alpha2 [00:38] NO NIGHTMARES [00:38] bask in success [00:39] keep dreaming about getting stuck in a calligra web of deps [00:41] now that does sound like a nightmare [00:41] I think you need to share Max' dreams instead [00:42] chasing sheep? [00:43] that sounds exhausting [01:01] He's been very bad today [01:03] Would someone put out an email and maybe update the topic about informal meeting at 15:00 UTC Saturday [01:30] I can't make it [01:37] I'm awake and finishing up QA === efm__ is now known as efm [04:06] Question reguarding soname mis-matches, should they be listed in a lintian override file? [04:07] i.e. akonadiconsole: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libakonadiconsolelib5. Do I need to add an akonadiconsole.lintian-overrides file and paste in said message? [04:36] DarinMiller: depends. when packing libraries in a libsomethingwithanumber package, then that warning can tell you that the lib has been bumped and you maybe need to do the same with the package name [04:37] but in some cases the package name will be generic and unchanging as it contains more stuff than just the lib [04:38] in which case, you may want to override that warning [04:46] acheronuk: OK, I suspect that akonadiconsole may such a case as it is part of the kdepim package set (as far as I understand). [04:52] OK, big epiphany: get-kci-tarball is very handy. Is this in the documentation and I have never seen it? sbuilds work much better with a tarball... [05:01] sbuilding kajong to see if I can duplicate the KCI error: /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/3/dhmk.mk:97: recipe for target 'pre_configure_dh_auto_configure' failed [05:03] * DarinMiller succeeded in repeating the kajong complie error. Has anyone seen the cat or the mad hatter... [05:08] googling "'pre_configure_dh_auto_configure' failed" errors seems to imply these might be upstream? errors (package mainter?) [05:08] checking bug reports... [07:02] !info kdeconnect zesty [07:02] kdeconnect (source: kdeconnect): connect smartphones to your KDE Plasma Workspace. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8-0ubuntu5 (zesty), package size 50 kB, installed size 202 kB [07:03] wth [08:39] !info kdeconnect zesty-proposed [08:39] kdeconnect (source: kdeconnect): connect smartphones to your KDE Plasma Workspace. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-0ubuntu2 (zesty-proposed), package size 407 kB, installed size 2010 kB [12:10] Good Day all [12:16] hi BluesKaj [12:17] Hi clivejo [12:19] Good morning [12:20] Hurt my knee yesterday and I'm not calling into work or anything, call me a masochist. :P === clivejo changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Zesty Zapus Alpha 2 is out, please help us by testing | Support in #kubuntu | Plasma 5.8.5 X/Y Backports, Z Archive | Apps 16.04.3 X/Y Backports, 16.12.1 (excluding PIM) - Z Archive | FW 5.28 X/Y Backports, Z Archive | Trello: https://is.gd/dGbmxV | QA links: https://is.gd/p7kblH | Package Docs (WIP): https://is.gd/zco9ne [12:21] you seem to have a lot of knee trouble [12:22] I do. Specialist told me a week ago that it was fine, but I slipped on the ice yesterday outside school [12:22] * clivejo giggles watching Max "helping" my mother do her gardening [12:22] Hurts, and I don't want to miss any more work [12:23] clivejo: Oh no, what is he "helping" with? :P [12:23] not sure, digging of some description [12:24] XD [12:24] Anyways, how's this packaging thing going? [12:24] "Max, no" No, Max" "Stop it Max" "keep outta the way" [12:24] Y'all release Kubuntu yet? [12:24] XD [12:25] not great [12:26] What did you do, Mr. Sole Maintainer of Kubuntu? :P [12:27] what did I do? [12:30] Well you said it was "not great"? What's that supposed to mean? [12:31] you asked how the packaging thing was going, and I said not great [12:31] So I'm asking you, what did you do to make it not great? [12:32] We need a certain someone to come in here and Make Packaging Great Again 😂 [12:35] Indeed [12:36] KCI Unstable PPA enabled here o/ [12:46] clivejo: digikam could do with a no-change rebuild so it depends against the libkf5kipi32.0.0 instead of the libkf5kipi31.0.0 it had there to build against when it was uploaded [12:50] It still on shiny? [12:52] not a clue [12:56] clivejo: you'd need to build locally to sign the tag, and then scp the files minus the source to shiny [13:10] o/ [13:11] Not at computer right now, I'll do it later [13:15] clivejo: no probs [14:06] acheronuk: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/4:5.4.0-0ubuntu3 [14:07] clivejo: :) [14:07] forgot you'd not need the source upload now [14:07] anything else needs looked at? [14:07] maybe later [14:08] did the release team agree to delete kdeconnect-plasma debugging package? [14:09] not yet that I've seen [14:10] dunno where or how or when they 'discuss' that [14:11] i suspect we will have to manually remove that -dbg package. will consider and discuss [14:13] I still think we should make use of the kdeconnect-plasma package [14:13] and put the plasma related stuff in there [14:14] no point in installing plasma stuff while using it in Unity [14:17] !info indicator-kdeconnect [14:17] Package indicator-kdeconnect does not exist in zesty [14:30] anyone running Unity? [14:55] hi DarinMiller [14:57] googling "'pre_configure_dh_auto_configure' failed" errors seems to imply these might be upstream? errors (package mainter?) [14:57] missing depends I think? [14:59] acheronuk: Good morning. Thanks for the hint. I will check the depends... [15:00] DarinMiller: you coming to meeting? [15:00] oh yes.... time got away from ... [15:24] !info python-twisted [15:25] python-twisted (source: twisted): Event-based framework for internet applications (dependency package). In component main, is extra. Version 16.4.1-3 (zesty), package size 3 kB, installed size 24 kB [15:32] !info python-twisted unstable [15:32] python-twisted (source: twisted): Event-based framework for internet applications (dependency package). In component main, is extra. Version 16.6.0-2 (unstable), package size 11 kB, installed size 25 kB [15:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess [15:38] http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/en/man1/requestsync.1.html [15:55] !info keyringer [15:55] keyringer (source: keyringer): Distributed secret management using GnuPG and Git. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.0-2 (zesty), package size 27 kB, installed size 124 kB [15:58] !info gnome-keyring [15:58] gnome-keyring (source: gnome-keyring): GNOME keyring services (daemon and tools). In component main, is optional. Version 3.20.0-3ubuntu1 (zesty), package size 580 kB, installed size 3680 kB [16:21] !info python-twisted unstable [16:21] python-twisted (source: twisted): Event-based framework for internet applications (dependency package). In component main, is extra. Version 16.6.0-2 (unstable), package size 11 kB, installed size 25 kB [16:22] !info python-twisted [16:22] python-twisted (source: twisted): Event-based framework for internet applications (dependency package). In component main, is extra. Version 16.4.1-3 (zesty), package size 3 kB, installed size 24 kB [16:22] !info python-twisted yakkety [16:22] python-twisted (source: twisted): Event-based framework for internet applications (dependency package). In component main, is extra. Version 16.4.1-1 (yakkety), package size 3 kB, installed size 24 kB [16:22] !info python-twisted xenial [16:22] python-twisted (source: twisted): Event-based framework for internet applications (dependency package). In component main, is extra. Version 16.0.0-1 (xenial), package size 3 kB, installed size 24 kB === Guest72888 is now known as himcesjf [17:29] !info xkb-data [17:29] xkb-data (source: xkeyboard-config): X Keyboard Extension (XKB) configuration data. In component main, is important. Version 2.17-1ubuntu1 (zesty), package size 300 kB, installed size 3020 kB [17:30] !info xkb-data-i18n [17:30] xkb-data-i18n (source: xkeyboard-config): X Keyboard Extension (XKB) configuration data translations. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.17-1ubuntu1 (zesty), package size 314 kB, installed size 2666 kB [18:06] Confused: Why is calligra not listed here: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_16.12.1_zesty.html [18:07] i think i'm starting to feel normal again thank god [18:07] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_calligra build #61: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_calligra/61/ [18:07] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_calligra build #65: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_calligra/65/ [18:08] re: topic beta 1 testing should begin 21 Feb [18:08] +1 [18:09] DarinMiller: because QA page is for showing the status of KDE application releases. i.e. the officially supported set of 200+ apps that KDE release together [18:09] calligra is not part of that release [18:09] calligra does it's own thing [18:12] ah, ok [18:15] * DarinMiller wathes http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_calligra/ slowly build.... [18:17] watches^ [18:18] * DarinMiller types with a lisp.. [18:19] lol [18:20] you mean like λ? [18:24] * DarinMiller does not understand the connection between lambda [18:25] λ and lisp... [18:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_calligra build #64: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 27 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_calligra/64/ [18:31] https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/eintr/lambda.html [18:35] that was the first one that came up [18:35] this is more general and not specific to emacs lisp (same idea tho) [18:35] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_(programming_language)#Lambda_expressions_and_function_definition [18:36] .... oh got it..... [18:36] clivejo: calligra installs and runs fine now, despite the 19 warnings on KCI... [19:18] yippeee [19:20] humm [19:21] why is armhf failing [19:31] grrrr [19:31] so apparently having an install file called calligra-libs.install.armhf overrides for armhf [19:32] new thing learned today! [19:32] yes it does. kalzium has a similar one [19:33] you could have told me :P [19:33] I hadn't noticed it [19:34] do you have font antialiasing ON ? [19:34] I was asking cjwatson in launchpad why armhf is being crazy! [20:15] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_calligra build #65: FAILURE in 41 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_calligra/65/ [20:43] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_calligra build #62: FAILURE in 1 hr 13 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_calligra/62/ [20:44] no blog/news post about the alpha 2 on kubuntu.org? [20:49] also http://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-8-4-and-kde-frameworks-5-8-0-now-available-in-backports-for-kubuntu-16-04-and-16-10/ shouldnt that be frameworks 5.28? [20:50] clivejo: the article is written, but I asked for a read-through, which evidently nobody did [20:51] :( [20:51] I'll fix the older article [20:51] and maybe publish teh draft as-is [20:51] :( [20:51] how do I read the draft? [20:52] login [20:52] at the bottom [20:53] mistakes like the above are why it's always good to have someone else read! [20:53] looks ok, have you a link to the iso? [20:56] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/17.04/alpha-2/ [20:57] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_calligra build #66: FAILURE in 1 hr 23 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_calligra/66/ [20:59] I'll added a hyperlink to the page to download the iso and published it [21:03] thank you clivejo [21:06] there is a nasty bug in konsole 16.12.1 :( [21:06] breaks my app [21:07] whats the bug? [21:07] tomorrow i'll write a bug report [21:07] and maybe will look how to fix it [21:08] can you briefly let me know what the problem is? [21:10] !info konsole zesty [21:10] konsole (source: konsole): X terminal emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1 (zesty), package size 140 kB, installed size 562 kB [21:10] info konsole zesty-proposed [21:10] huh [21:11] !info konsole zesty-proposed [21:11] Package konsole does not exist in zesty-proposed [21:13] clivejo: https://goo.gl/JlEnzc this code doesn't work, but was always working before [21:14] does it work in the actual terminal? [21:14] oh, that would be an upstream issue [21:14] konsole interprets everything like it's own options, not even runs a program [21:17] blaze: I think a BR in bugs.kde.org will be looked at and taken seriously [21:17] since konsole is pretty basic for all kde devels [21:17] you might report your BR in #kde-devel and ask for testing there [21:19] Afternoon [21:21] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_k3b build #22: STILL UNSTABLE in 18 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_k3b/22/ [21:21] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_k3b build #22: STILL UNSTABLE in 18 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_k3b/22/ [21:21] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_k3b build #23: STILL UNSTABLE in 18 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_k3b/23/ [21:29] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_calligra build #66: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 8 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_calligra/66/ [21:40] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_k3b build #23: STILL UNSTABLE in 17 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_k3b/23/ [21:44] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_k3b build #23: STILL UNSTABLE in 21 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_k3b/23/ [21:44] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_k3b build #24: STILL UNSTABLE in 21 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_k3b/24/ [21:46] acheronuk: what ya doing? [21:47] idly tinkering [21:49] what are the patches? [21:51] that one was a patch so that k3b can find the 'normalize' binary if it's installed, as debian/ubuntu rename it it to normalize-audio [21:51] there are some patches to desktop file which may or may not still be useful [21:52] and some stuff to quiet warning or do you want to install codecs pop up etc. [21:54] want to go through them carefully to see if they are still useful, even if they are fixable [22:00] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_calligra build #67: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 3 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_calligra/67/ [22:01] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_calligra build #63: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 18 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_calligra/63/ [22:28] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_calligra build #67: STILL FAILING in 58 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_calligra/67/ [22:38] acheronuk: have you come across lintian complaining about intra-source-package-circular-dependency ? [22:40] vaguely heard of it, yes. more than that, no [22:40] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_k3b build #24: STILL UNSTABLE in 18 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_k3b/24/ [22:40] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_k3b build #25: STILL UNSTABLE in 18 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_k3b/25/ [22:40] know how to fix? [22:46] nope [22:47] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_k3b build #24: STILL UNSTABLE in 25 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_k3b/24/ [22:56] so for grins, I added the proposed ppa to my sbuild command to see if kajongg would build. [22:57] sbuild -d zesty-amd64 --extra-repository="deb [trusted=yes] http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ zesty-proposed multiverse restricted universe main" [22:57] in the log I see: Get:63 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-proposed/main amd64 python-twisted-bin amd64 16.6.0-2 [15.4 kB] [22:59] but the build still fails complaining: The following REQUIRED packages have not been found: Twisted (required version >= 16.6.0) [23:01] !info twisted zesty [23:01] Package twisted does not exist in zesty [23:02] clivejo: rtfm [23:02] DarinMiller: twisted is the source package name [23:02] which builds python-twisted [23:02] https://lintian.debian.org/tags/intra-source-package-circular-dependency.html [23:03] !info python-twisted zesty-proposed [23:03] python-twisted (source: twisted): Event-based framework for internet applications (dependency package). In component main, is extra. Version 16.6.0-2 (zesty-proposed), package size 3 kB, installed size 25 kB [23:04] tsimonq2: thanks, thats what Google told me too [23:04] @tsimonq2 -- please don't use "rtfm" even in jest here [23:05] I think we know where to look up lintian warning by now! [23:05] But it stands for Read The Fine Manual [23:05] It's a really good manual [23:05] Don't know why you consider it a swear... [23:07] !info python-twisted-core zesty-proposed [23:07] python-twisted-core (source: twisted): Event-based framework for internet applications. In component main, is optional. Version 16.6.0-2 (zesty-proposed), package size 1925 kB, installed size 12666 kB [23:07] @tsimonq2 -- it is the attitude that is the problem [23:07] not the "fine" part [23:08] That's what I'm always told to do when I have obvious questions :O [23:08] I need sleep. o/ [23:09] sweet dreams [23:16] clivejo: the ppa seems to be pulling the new 16.6 python-twisted files but the sbuild session does not seem to be using them. I am trying to figure out why (attempting to learn sbuild). [23:16] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_calligra build #68: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 10 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_calligra/68/ [23:16] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_calligra build #64: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 10 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_calligra/64/ [23:18] DarinMiller: try creating a PPA in your LP account [23:18] and add proposed [23:18] just for testing [23:18] oh, ok [23:24] so upload just the new twisted packages to my ppa and use my ppa link with sbuild instead of the zesty-proposed ppa? [23:25] no no, upload kajongg to the PPA [23:26] so it builds against the newer package in proposed [23:27] do you know how to enable proposed in your PPA? [23:28] No, I have never uploaded a package to a ppa, but a did create a test ppa: ppa:darinsmiller/ppa-test [23:28] looks like I need to use dput .... but this is new territory for me... [23:29] reading this page now: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading [23:29] go to https://launchpad.net/~darinsmiller/+archive/ubuntu/ppa-test [23:29] right hand side [23:29] "Edit PPA dependencies" [23:29] i see it... [23:30] check the circle next to "Proposed (default dependencies and proposed updates)." [23:30] Save [23:30] yep [23:30] and then upload to it [23:36] uploading instuctions say: dput ppa:your-lp-id/ppa [23:37] I have the kp git directory and the tar files. Not sure how to assemble them into the <"source.changes>" format... [23:37] you need to sign it with your key [23:40] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_calligra build #68: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 6 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_calligra/68/ [23:41] wait, how can I upload something that fails to build? Instructions specify, once you've built your source package, use dput. [23:44] have you built the source? [23:47] Not sure what built from source means, I did the following: git clone kp:kajongg followed by get-kci-tarball, then mv ../build-area/package*xz ../ [23:48] Im not sure how that tool is intended to work [23:49] can we do it manual way? [23:49] so I have a scratch/kajongg directory with the debian "stuff" and the tar scratch directory. That allow sbuild to attempt to build and duplicate the same failure as KCI. [23:49] sure :) [23:50] so make a new working directory [23:50] done [23:51] ok so we manually find the package in the unstable PPA [23:51] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+packages?field.name_filter=kajongg&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter= [23:51] which distro do you want to work on? [23:51] following... [23:51] zesty [23:52] ok, go to the zesty line and click the wee arrow on the left [23:52] it will fold down the details [23:52] yes [23:52] do you see the .dsc file? [23:52] yes [23:52] ok so copy the URL [23:52] 2 tars and a dsc, [23:53] ok [23:53] then back in your working directory [23:53] git clone, wget or ? [23:53] dget https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+files/kajongg_16.12.1+p17.04+git20170125.1356-0.dsc [23:53] dget [23:53] dget is like the reverse of dput :) [23:54] :) makes sense [23:54] Ignore this? gpg: Can't check signature: No public key Validation FAILED!! [23:54] yup [23:54] it was signed by KCI [23:55] and you dont have that key [23:55] ok, dput *.* to my ppa? [23:56] or do need to build something first? [23:56] just a sec [23:56] dput the .changes file [23:57] oh, you have just downloded it so you won't have that [23:57] untar the two tarballs [23:58] tar -xvf kajongg_16.12.1+p17.04+git20170125.1356.orig.tar.xz [23:58] clivejo: do you know what the purpose build dep on spectacle adds in functionality? [23:58] and [23:58] tar -xvf kajongg_16.12.1+p17.04+git20170125.1356-0.debian.tar.xz [23:58] you will have two folder [23:59] source and debian [23:59] mv debian/ source/ [23:59] and cd into source [23:59] now run "dch"