[00:06] <groundze1o> hello need help..update kernel from 4.8 to 4.10, now my virtualbox does not work
[00:06] <groundze1o> "kernel driver not installer (rc=-1908)
[00:07] <guest4814_web> Hi everyone! I'm wondering how does Canonical count how many users each country has... it's accounted only those who create an account, right? Wouldn't it be possible to count by users actually USING Ubuntu?
[00:08] <groundze1o> guest4814_web: probably..they are connecting themselves weekly,daily to get updates
[00:09] <k1l> guest4814_web: its not easy to count the users. because users might share installs or have several machines at once. or reinstalling often.
[00:10] <guest4814_web> Kil, Not possible to count the users that are actually both using Ubuntu and connected to the internet? That sounds quite simple to me...
[00:11] <wedgie> guest4814_web: what if i have 300 machines, all using a caching server for updates. then how do you know?
[00:12] <wedgie> also, does that make me 1 user, or 300?
[00:12] <\9> guest4814_web: what if my ip address changes daily? do i get to count as multiple users?
[00:12] <guest4814_web> @wedgie, that still would be fairly accurate. I mean... how many people use all that anyway?
[00:12] <\9> most people have dynamic addresses
[00:12] <wedgie> guest4814_web: who knows! and thats kindof the point
 Great point!
[00:13] <\9> you don't just count users like that
[00:13] <guest4814_web> wedgie, yeah, I think you are correct
[00:13] <elijahdid711> Can i get some help
[00:14] <\9> and even if you did it like that, you'd still be collecting ip addresses and that's asking a lot from the privacy policy
[00:14] <\9> to just.. count useres?
[00:14] <\9> users*
[00:14] <chosig> Hi, on a laptop (Lenovo Y510P) with a Geforce GT 755M is it possible to "dedicate" GPU0 to the laptop display (DP-0) and my external monitor to GPU1 (HDMI-0)?
[00:15] <elijahdid711> Can i get help pleased
[00:15] <\9> !ask | elijahdid711
[00:15] <chosig> elijahdid711, with?
[00:15] <Bashing-om> !ask | elijahdid711
 I don't think it's a big deal. In fact, it would be awesome to have a more accurate idea of the distro's popularities.
[00:15] <\9> guest4814_web: it would be a very big deal
[00:15] <elijahdid711> I installed ubuntu and it says remove usb and press enter
[00:15] <elijahdid711> I have and it does nothibg
[00:15] <groundze1o> e
[00:15] <groundze1o> exit
[00:15] <elijahdid711> Nothing*
[00:15] <elijahdid711> How
[00:16] <chosig> elijahdid711, I guess the installation is finished. If that is the fact, just remove the USB and reboot the computer - if enter doesn't work.
[00:16] <Bashing-om> elijahdid711: And you reset the firmware to boot the hard drive ?
[00:16] <elijahdid711> I can't
 care to explain me why?
[00:16] <elijahdid711> I hold the power button and nothing
[00:16] <\9> guest4814_web: because you're mining ip addresses. that means you're collecting personal information.
[00:17] <\9> that's asking a lot just to count users
 Not "me". Just a known company called Canonical.
[00:17] <PrincessBob> question...  i just installed ubuntu for the first time...  and its my first time using linux...   when i decompress an archived installer... i assume its just one file right??   im gettin nervous cuz of how messy stuff got back when i used dos 6.2
[00:18] <\9> guest4814_web: i was using a general "you", not you specifically
 I know that. And I simply used your own example.
[00:18] <k1l> guest4814_web: there is strong concerns about such a topic. if it would be that easy to count the users all linux distros would do it like that.
[00:18] <elijahdid711> Can i get some help
[00:19] <wedgie> guest4814_web: the number that matters most to canonical is how many oeople are oaying for support. and that is fairly straitforward to track :)
  I don't care for my privacy. I'm not a terrorist or something.
[00:19] <elijahdid711> Wait
[00:19] <\9> guest4814_web: of course you care for your privacy. you just don't realise it
[00:19] <elijahdid711> I got it off
[00:19] <guest4814_web> Kil, I don't get why is that so polemic...
[00:19] <wedgie> guest4814_web: maybe not. but many people do.
[00:20] <\9> guest4814_web: you have bank account details, which means you have information you don't want others to have.
[00:21] <\9> guest4814_web: and if someone can trace exactly what you do and when, that means they can easily manipulate you, even rob your house because they know when you're not there
 why should I? Will Canonical ever use my bank account? I don't think so.
[00:21] <jmadero> hi all - my timezone is all screwed up: Current default time zone: 'America/Los_Angeles' Local time is now:      Sat Jan 28 08:20:45 PST 2017.
[00:21] <jmadero> it is not that time in LA right now
[00:21] <guest4814_web> wedgie Perhaps because people are too paranoid.
[00:21] <\9> canonical, probably not. but if you don't look after your information you can wind up in a big mess
[00:21] <Aithan> hi
[00:22] <wedgie> guest4814_web: do you close the stall door when you poop in a public restroom?
[00:22] <\9> this is going off-topic
[00:22] <wedgie> indeed.
 But my information would be shared only to Canonical, wouldn't it?
[00:23] <Bashing-om> jmadero: Dual booting Windows - where Windows controls the hardware clock ?
[00:23] <\9> guest4814_web: it'd still be a liability. and everything can be hacked
 off-topic why?
[00:23] <\9> and such would add extra pressure on canonical, to keep such data safe
[00:23] <\9> because this is ubuntu support
[00:23] <\9> not banter about online behavior
[00:24] <rile> asus wth core i7 gtx 970m ...use it for 1 year on 16.04 and 16.10 until last 2 kernels upd ..now now and then  frz...only mous its free :)
 privacity is something obviously related to support.
 privacy*
[00:25] <\9> guest4814_web: but we're talking about hypothetical matters. while this channel is about solving existing problems in ubuntu
[00:26] <bazhang> guest4814_web, chatter elsewhere please
[00:27] <rile> my msk...
 care to show me WHERE is the TOS that says explicitly that the support covers only existing problems?
[00:29] <PrincessBob> best irc client for the latest ubuntu?
[00:29] <\9> !ot | guest4814_web
[00:29] <k1l> PrincessBob: hexchat is widely used. for "best" its best to test what suits your own workflow best
[00:29] <Bashing-om> !best | PrincessBob
[00:29] <PrincessBob> ok
[00:30] <PrincessBob> gotcha
[00:30] <PrincessBob> ty
[00:30] <\9> hexchat comes shipped with ubuntu
[00:30] <PrincessBob> oh.. it does?
[00:30] <PrincessBob> its my first time using ubuntu/anything linux.. ok lemme look
[00:30] <k1l> hexchat is the new xchat.
[00:31] <PrincessBob> where in the desktop is it?
[00:31] <PrincessBob> hrm..
 <ubottu> "Ubuntu help channel" is the description of this channel. I haven't found nothing stating that the conversation MUST be only about existing problems. ;)
[00:31] <reisio> PrincessBob: alt+f2, hexchat
[00:32] <k1l> guest4814_web: you are making it even worse now with your offtopic talk about your other offtopic is not offtopic. please keep this channel clear for people who come here to actual solve their technical issues.
[00:33] <PrincessBob> mind if i pm you reisio? so i can keep the main open for those with more technical issues?
[00:33] <reisio> no I don't, it's a chat network
[00:33] <PrincessBob> ok ty :)
[00:33] <k1l> PrincessBob: you can ask in here if its ubuntu support related.
[00:33] <PrincessBob> its not.. its newbie stuff
[00:33] <k1l> PrincessBob: that is what this channel is for.
 Ok, as long as you show me WHERE this channel covers ONLY technical issues.
[00:34] <k1l> !guidelines | guest4814_web
 <ubottu> I have already read it, and I haven't found anything saying "technical issues". Care to show me WHERE it says that?
[00:37] <k1l> guest4814_web: part: Language and Subject
[00:39] <filther> Were is the newbie channel?
[00:39] <bazhang> this is for all levels filther
[00:39] <k1l> filther: you can ask in here.
 Nothing written "technical issues" here too. Next?
[00:40] <k1l> guest4814_web: last time now: stop that! you are spoiling this channel for users who seek real support.
[00:40] <bazhang> guest4814_web, here is ubuntu support only, please chatter in some other place
 are you threatening me? I'm also seeking real support. But you couldn't be able to confirm what you said earlier (that this chat covers EXCLUSIVELY technical issues).
[00:43] <PipeItToDevNull> What is the issue?
 And that's EXACTLY what I'm doing: asking for support.
[00:44] <bazhang> guest4814_web, then ask
[00:44] <k1l> guest4814_web: stop trolling
[00:44] <guest4414_web> i support you
[00:44] <PipeItToDevNull> Ok, so what is your issue?
[00:45] <guest4814_web> I didn't say "i support you".
[00:46] <guest4414_web> No you did not. i did!
[00:50] <bigLanky> anyone have suggestions or tips for running mutliple monitors on ubuntu 16.04?
[00:51] <bigLanky> i have 2 video cards, both AMD, 1 video card will run my main monitor and other video card will run my 2 other monitors
[00:52] <kk4ewt> bigLanky,  do they both take the same monitor ?
[00:53] <kk4ewt> opps same driver
[00:53] <bigLanky> not 100% sure yet... i am waiting on the second monitor to come in the mail
[00:54] <viat0r> nyone help me get my usb airlink 101 working
[00:54] <bigLanky> both are AMD Radeon cards if that helps
[00:54] <viat0r> i checked its not soft or hardblocked
[00:56] <viat0r> lshw says *network disabled next to it
[00:56] <viat0r> ?
[00:59] <viat0r> its listed as RTL8188CUS under lsusb
[00:59] <viat0r> anyone know how to get this wifi adapter working?
[01:00] <Jungbin> Hello guys, I have two questions. Should I install Ubuntu with secure boot enabled? And if not, should I install Ubuntu in EFI or legacy
[01:03] <Bashing-om> !EFI | Jungbin
[01:03] <MarcoP> how to set ubuntu to use interface eth0
[01:03] <MarcoP> or check the settings
[01:03] <MarcoP> I'm getting an error when trying to install snort
[01:15] <Ntemis_> i need some help every usb i put in i cant write data on it
[01:15] <Ntemis_> i can format it ok
[01:16] <Ntemis_> mount and umount no errors
[01:16] <Ntemis_> but i cant write on it
[01:16] <Ntemis_> tested 2
[01:16] <Ntemis_> its kind an issue with 16.04.1 and i386?
[01:16] <Jharm_> also need a littel help trying to recover data from an old windows 7 hardrive that wont boot up anymore. using ubunt boot cd, any suggestions?
[01:17] <compdoc> Jharm_, mount it
[01:18] <Ntemis_> i need some help every usb i put in i cant write data on it
[01:20] <Jharm_> yes i tried that but i get a messag saying its alrady mounted eventhought i dont have access to it. i also downloaded Boot-Repair and no help.
[01:22] <compdoc> Jharm_, search for disk util, and select the drive, then select the partition, and see if its mounted. you can use disk util to mount it, and also to read the SMART info to see whats wrong with the drive
[01:27] <Madawave> hello
[01:34] <goto-> I have an Lenovo X201t with Wacom digitizer. Earlier (a year ago) the digitizer was automatically recognized. But today the digitizer was not recognized. Any idea?
[01:35] <goto-> Earlier I tried Ubuntu 16.04, currently I'm trying Debian 8 "Jessie", both distributions (with Gnome3) did not recognize the digitizer.
[01:37] <Joral> so I finally was able to resolve the broken dependency issue with fglrx but now dkms fails during the module build during install. http://paste.ubuntu.com/23884264/
[01:44] <Bashing-om> Joral: " 4.4.0-59-generic  " there is no FGLRX driver anymore . AMD throwing all support to open source .
[01:45] <goto-> ok, it just started working
[01:45] <Joral> Bashing-om, I installed 14.04 specifically because this channel told me that it was the only way to still install fglrx
[01:45] <goto-> I don't no why, but it works
[01:46] <Bashing-om> korA fact  .. but ya running 4.4.0-59-generic as the kernel .. and that is the rub in that the supporting Xserver will not complile . Ya got to have the 3.13 kernel .
[01:47] <Joral> Bashing-om, so how do I tell apt to use that version of the kernel?
[01:49] <Bashing-om> Joral well , one can either fresh install 14.04.1 or downgrade to the trusty kernel . not to tough to downgrade .
[01:49] <Joral> Bashing-om, no I mean how do i force apt to NEVER upgrade from that kernel?
[01:51] <Bashing-om> Joral: Once we have the trusty kernel installed it will remain updating only thge 3.13 series unless ine delineratly enables HWE .
[01:52] <Joral> Bashing-om, two questions then, 1) how do I downgrade? and 2) why do I not have the trusty kernel installed when I am running trusty right now?
[01:52] <Guest93134> I need help i can't get into my computer
[01:53] <Bashing-om> Joral: Right now you are running the xenial kernel - see ' uname -r ' . we want the trusty kernel .
[01:54] <Joral> Bashing-om, I understand that, what I'm questioning is how did trusty install the xenial kernel?
[01:54] <Bashing-om> !info linix-image-generic trusty | Joral
[01:54] <glache1> HI
[01:54] <Bashing-om> !hwe | Joral
[01:55] <Guest93134> I need help
[01:55] <glache1> Help with what>
[01:55] <Guest93134> I can't get into my laptop
[01:55] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic trusty | Joral
[01:55] <glache1> WHy not?
[01:56] <Guest93134> I am in a log in loop
[01:56] <Joral> Bashing-om, that makes sense, how do I downgrade then?
[01:56] <glache1> What do you mean?
[01:56] <Guest93134> I can't log into my computer
[01:56] <ToBeCloud> Start in recovery mode, use the "password" command in the command line
[01:56] <glache1> You try to log in and then it takes you back to the login screen?
[01:56] <Guest93134> I am in a login loop
[01:57] <glache1> Happened to me once
[01:57] <Guest93134> Can i get help
[01:57] <glache1> Well...
[01:57] <glache1> is it Ubuntu?
[01:57] <Guest93134> Yes
[01:58] <CodeMouse92__> Guest93134: What version of Ubuntu? Also, can you access TTY by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F2 and logging in?
[01:58] <glache1> What version?
[01:58] <Guest93134> 16.04
[01:58] <glache1> I suggest trying 16.04.1
[01:58] <Guest93134> A bit too late now
[01:59] <glache1> You can always reinstall, or was it working before?
[01:59] <Guest93134> Wait i just got in shoukd i reboot
[01:59] <CodeMouse92__> Guest93134: It's an update. you may actually have it already. But...as I mentioned, press Ctrl+Alt+F2
[01:59] <CodeMouse92__> Guest93134: You managed to log in?
[01:59] <glache1> Do as CodeMouse says.
[01:59] <Guest93134> Yes
[01:59] <Bashing-om> Joral: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all libwayland-egl1-mesa .
[01:59] <CodeMouse92__> Guest93134: okay, hmm. So you're logged in on the GUI side, and you can see Ubuntu like normal?
[02:00] <CodeMouse92__> Guest93134: When was the last time you ran an update?
[02:00] <glache1> I have a weird question regarding Java programming, if anyone is interested.
[02:00] <Guest93134> Before the issue started
[02:00] <bazhang> glache1, try the java channel
[02:01] <glache1> Thank you bazhang.
[02:01] <bazhang> np
[02:01] <arooni> how do i associate all .gp1, .gp2, .. gp6 files to guitar pro which is located in /opt/GuitarPro
[02:01] <CodeMouse92__> Guest93134: Do you happen to know what updated before that happened?
[02:01] <Joral> Bashing-om, should I reboot into 3.13 before installing fglrx?
[02:02] <Guest93134> No
[02:02] <CodeMouse92__> Guest93134: Okay, I want to see what it was, so let's pull up the apt log....
[02:02] <CodeMouse92__> Guest93134: In a terminal, run 'less /var/log/apt/history.log'
[02:03] <CodeMouse92__> Guest93134: That is in ascending date, so press the down arrow to scroll through it
[02:03] <CodeMouse92__> Find the last update, note which packages updated
[02:03] <ubuntu-mate> AYY
[02:03] <ubuntu-mate> L
[02:04] <CodeMouse92__> Guest93134: You can also use page down to scroll faster :P
[02:04] <Joral> reboot seems like the smart choice so i'm off to see if this helps. thanks Bashing-om
[02:05] <Bashing-om> Joral: Yeah ,, I would that would boot the 3.3 kernl and install from repo for FGLRX, be the safer thing to do .
[02:05] <Bashing-om> 3.13**
[02:06] <CodeMouse92__> Guest93134: Once you find the latest updates, drop this into a paste (paste.ubuntu.com) and drop the link here
[02:06] <CodeMouse92__> *drop it into a paste
[02:06] <glache1> How can I join the Java channel.  I tried '/join ##Java' but I can't join.  I also can't click to join from the GUI list.  It's been a while since I used IRC.  10+ years to be more precise.
[02:07] <Guest93134> 16.04.1
[02:08] <CodeMouse92__> Guest93134: Okay, so you *are* on Ubuntu 16.04.1? Good to know. Still need the apt history from the last update (see prior instructions)
[02:09] <pauljw> glache, try /j ##java
[02:10] <glache> no luck
[02:10] <pauljw> works for me
[02:11] <glache> will not work for me
[02:11] <bazhang> glache, ask in #freenode for more
[02:11] <glache> No error or anything
[02:12] <glache> I was able to join #freenode
[02:15] <Joral> Bashing-om, just logged back in to say that you are a genius. it worked like a charm right out of the box.
[02:17] <Bashing-om> Joral: K now you wnt to remove all the HWE pckages as you will not be using them .
[02:17] <Bashing-om> want*
[02:18] <Joral> Bashing-om, how should I go about doing that?
[02:18] <Bashing-om> Joral: pastebin ' dpkg -l | grep linix- ' and I craft it up for ya .
[02:19] <Bashing-om> typo *
[02:20] <Bashing-om> Joral: ' dpkg -l | grep linux- '
[02:22] <Joral> Bashing-om,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23884448/
[02:23] <Bashing-om> Joral: K. be a bit working.
[02:23] <Joral> Bashing-om, k, I appreciate you taking the time
[02:26] <Bashing-om> Joral: Ouch .. this can be dicy -- there will be no back up kernel . not too sure how this will work out . there is no rush here - how bout we wait till there is a kernel update // OR install a aditional older trusty kernel for a fall back ??
[02:27] <Joral> Bashing-om, doesn't matter to me at all, why don't we just keep the 4.4 as the second kernel for now. can you tell me how to make grub find the 3.13 kernel first?
[02:28] <Bashing-om> !grub | Joral
[02:28] <Joral> Bashing-om, ok, thanks
[02:30] <Bashing-om> Joral: ^ make an edit to /etc/default/grub ... counting the menu entries in the file /boot/grub/grub/cfg . - the line GRUB_DEFAULT=0 is the target ,
[02:32] <Bashing-om> jonathaN: Mind you - that number is subject to change if and when the 4.4 kernel is updated . until such time as we remove them .
[02:39] <cuddle> anyone know how to do autotune
[02:40] <cuddle> in ubuntu
[02:40] <cuddle> or how to get AT1 to work
[02:40] <cuddle> or a similar application
[02:41] <cuddle> Running into errors with AT1 not starting server, would like to get it to work to use autotune feautre. Or if anyone can recommend a different app
[02:44] <avanovo> Hi, I have an Ubuntu installation on a LVM, but when I try to resize it from a livecd, I can't mount it writeable, only read-only.
[02:45] <cuddle> just gonna use my iphone
[02:45] <cuddle> nvm
[02:47] <LuMint> hi! i have a fx5700 graphics card. I tried installing nvidia-173 drivers, the installation seemed successful but after reboot the changes have not taken place and nouveau is still in use. How should I go about installing nvidia-173?
[02:47] <LuMint> i haven't blacklisted nouveau manually, though. Just in case: my xorg version is X.Org: 1.15.1
[02:51] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-173 xenial
[02:51] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-173 trusty
[02:52] <Bashing-om> LuMint: ^^ what release/lernel are you running ?
[02:53] <LuMint> Bashing-om: Linux work-desktop 3.13.0-107-generic #154-Ubuntu SMP Mon Dec 19 19:20:26 UTC 2016 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:53] <LuMint> Bashing-om: 14 04
[02:55] <Bashing-om> LuMint: Try ' sudo apt purge nvidia* ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' .
[03:27] <bigLanky> I am running Radeon HD 6850 video card on 1 monitor no problem... when I plug in the second DVI monitor to it, The screens flicker and I only have 1 screen with a signal
[03:27] <bigLanky> whenI go into display, it shows the second screen there and it is enabled, but nothing is sent to the actual monitor
[03:33] <kaya> Anyone here?
[03:34] <kaya> ??
[03:34] <Sean_McG> why?
[03:34] <cfhowlett> ask your ubuntu questions.
[03:34] <PipeItToDevNull> kaya: Hiiiiii
[03:34] <bigLanky> is there something I need to do special in order to get dual monitors working on the same video card?
[03:34] <bigLanky> i have tried with the same and different monitors
[03:34] <bigLanky> no luck
[03:35] <Sean_McG> bigLanky: what card?
[03:35] <bigLanky> radeon hd 6850
[03:35] <Sean_McG> hmmm, dunno then... I know the nVidia boards have special instructions for multi-monitor but have not looked into AMD at all
[03:37] <bigLanky> so I have a GT 730 that is giving me problems as well
[03:37] <bigLanky> https://s30.postimg.org/u2rer3ew1/Screenshot_from_2017_01_28_20_36_29.png
[03:37] <Sean_McG> oh..heh.
[03:37] <bigLanky> when I have that in there, i get CRT errors and the display just does some weird stuff
[03:37] <bigLanky> 1 or 2 monitors it doesnt matter
[03:37] <bigLanky> right now the nvidia card is out
[03:43] <Bashing-om> bigLanky: Just a thought; but, did you purge the nVidia drivers for the ATI install ?
[03:50] <Snowie> Afternoon all. How can I take a pixel perfect (.bmp or similar) screenshot on the unity desktop?
[03:53] <bigLanky> i did not
[03:53] <bigLanky> should I do that?
[03:56] <MarkB2> Might I ask someone to open a Terminal, look in Preferences, and tell me what the "standard default" font is for a terminal?  I changed mine, didn't record what was, and my eyes hurt.  Please?
[03:57] <PipeItToDevNull> Ubuntu?
[03:57] <MarkB2> Is that the actual name of the font?  "Ubuntu" ?
[03:58] <PipeItToDevNull> It is a real font name and doesnt look half bad "Inconsolatas" and "Droid San" look good as well, any Mono font will
[03:58] <cfhowlett> there should be a reset command PipeItToDevNull
[03:58] <wedgie> MarkB2: mine says "monospace" but i'm not 100% that i haven't changed it at some point
[03:59] <cfhowlett> deja vu sans mono is my default in xubuntu
[04:00] <Sean_McG> it's just referred to as 'Monospace Regular' on my machine
[04:00] <MarkB2> I can live with ubunto mono regular.
[04:01] <PipeItToDevNull> Ubuntu is an amazing font, though I run terminus
[04:01] <MarkB2> Good gawd.  My eyes were really beginning to ache.
[04:01] <MarkB2> I don't know whose idea it was to have semi-transparent fonts... or fonts with fuzzy edges.
[04:02] <Sean_McG> I'm still trying to figure out why text looks so crisp on my nVidia when compared to the Intel onboard graphics even at the same resolution (1440p)
[04:02] <PipeItToDevNull> MarkB2: It is how fonts are handled and what they are designed to be used in
[04:03] <Sean_McG> the fuzzy edges thing I believe dates back to Adobe TrueType, doesn't it?
[04:04] <MarkB2> Sean_McG: Part of the fuzzy in my system are VGA cables that are a little too long, I think.  which reminds me..
[04:05] <MarkB2> This computer has a NVidia 6200 PCI video interface.  ubuntu 16.04.1 64-bit doesn't support that.. and I went to try loading the NVidia driver.
[04:05] <MarkB2> Downloaded the driver.. and it goes to compile..
[04:05] <MarkB2> Then bombs out because the header files used to create the system are different than the header files in /usr/include .
[04:06] <MarkB2> Which, to me, kind of fails the odor test.
[04:07] <MarkB2> Surely someone has compiled the NVidia drivers for ubuntu 64-bit ?
[04:07] <Sean_McG> yes, but I have a GTX 1070 :)
[04:07] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: "  linux-headers-generic " installed ?
[04:08] <MarkB2> Bashing-on: Probably not (all these PACKAGES to install!)  I'll go look.
[04:09] <MarkB2> ! They're installed.
[04:10] <MarkB2> Or at least dpkg -l | grep header   shows linux-headers-generic in place.
[04:18] <MarkB2> Hmm.. it did find something.  Argh.  This won't run while running X.  Back in a bit.
[04:38] <FireStriker> Hi
[04:41] <PipeItToDevNull> Hi
[04:45] <FireStriker> Hi i have a 2/3 year old Acer laptop I'm looking to Install ubuntu onto. It's specs are: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23884933/plain/ .
[04:46] <FireStriker> What would version would it accept?
[04:46] <cfhowlett> FireStriker, nope
[04:46] <cfhowlett> can't read your link.
[04:46] <sirv> firestriker ... always install the newest version .. 16.04
[04:47] <FireStriker> .... I don't even know how to use the pastebin lol let me post it here.
[04:47] <FireStriker> I'm def going to install 16.04
[04:47] <cfhowlett> but in general, you should be able to install the latest *buntu.  16.04 would be good
[04:48] <sirv> well .. wait .. your specs are really LOW
[04:48] <sirv> very very low
[04:48] <sirv> i installed on my very old laptom gentoo linux
[04:48] <sirv> it was doing surprisingly good
[04:49] <sirv> but try ubuntu first maybe it will be acceptable
[04:49] <FireStriker> Acer Aspire E 11, Intel Celeron N2830 2.41GHz Intel HD Graphics. 2gb ddr3L
[04:49] <sirv> 2gb that is very low
[04:49] <cfhowlett> FireStriker, 2gb?  that's the issue.  16.04 xubuntu or lubuntu for that machine
[04:49] <FireStriker> Ik I would like to upgrade it but you need to take the whole thing apart
[04:50] <sirv> yeah try xubuntu or lubuntu
[04:50] <sirv> or gentoo :) but that is much harder to install than ubuntu - it compiles all packages and kernel and everything
[04:50] <FireStriker> Yes a newish laptop with 2 gb. Bought when all computers were sniping with 4plus
[04:50] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: Have you installed 'buntu to this Acer before ? EFI system where setting trust might be an issue ?
[04:51] <FireStriker> Odd but it's ment to be a small net computer or something
[04:51] <FireStriker> I haven't no
[04:51] <sirv> upgrade the ram to maximum ... thats like and $50 dollar upgrade and it makes difference ..
[04:51] <FireStriker> It's just stock win 10 upgrade nothing done to it besides upgrading from win 8
[04:52] <sirv> dont install ubuntu .. try xubuntu
[04:53] <FireStriker> I need to do something it's not running too good on windows. A lot of backed in blootware which I have gotten most of it but it's still slow esp when useing the internet with 1 tab
[04:54] <sirv> yes windows has to run slow on that specs, but linux will not be like 2x faster, maybe 1.5x faster .. but definitely NOT ubuntu , unity is memory hungry
[04:54] <xangua> FireStriker: Lubuntu
[04:54] <FireStriker> Ik I have seen, it will speed it up a little, enough for it to be used
[04:55] <sirv> or Lubuntu is even better, get the AMD64 bit version
[04:55] <cfhowlett> FireStriker, lubuntu is optimized for older / lower spec machines.  xubuntu is not optimized but is still quite good.
[04:56] <sirv> fireestriker let us know how that worked for u
[04:56] <FireStriker> Ok I will
[04:57] <sirv> it is always good to have lot of memory, for example just my firefox with 2 pages open uses 1GB ram right now
[04:57] <FireStriker> I hope it doesn't chuck a wobbly when i install it. I tried a dual boot on my HP and some driver was stopping it from booting
[04:57] <FireStriker> Was a AMD graphics driver I know that
[04:58] <MarkB2> I would love to build the NVidia driver for this 6200 interface.  Pulled the .run file from NVidia's web site, followed the instructions... and it spits up  "unknown symbol mtrr_del, mtrr_add".
[05:00] <bigLanky> anyone have an idea of why when i plug in a second video card only 1 monitor gets a signal, but both monitors show up in my displays
[05:00] <bigLanky> I have toggled on/off the display but can't seem to get it on
[05:03] <FireStriker> What are the Ubuntu irc channels? It's been a while since I have been in here and forgotten them.
[05:03] <cfhowlett> FireStriker, read /msg ubottu alis
[05:05] <FireStriker> Ok, I'm just wanting the name of the offtopic irc. I trying joining it but i did some thing wrong can't remember the name
[05:05] <hggdh> FireStriker: #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:06] <FireStriker> Dash ok I did underscore thanks hggdh
[05:10] <bigLanky> should I use a different video driver? Currently I have selected "Using Processor microde firmware for intel CPUs from intel-microcode (proprietary)"
[05:12] <snowkidind> man i just upgraded to ubuntu 16 and apache is broik'd
[05:13] <snowkidind> broken*
[05:13] <snowkidind> something about mod_wsig
[05:13] <snowkidind> i believe thats my django link
[05:13] <snowkidind> whic i am not using anymore
[05:13] <snowkidind> a2disconf wsgi
[05:13] <snowkidind> ERROR: Conf wsgi does not exist!
[05:14] <kang00> Cd dvd usb bluray each has different. Efi file?
[05:14] <snowkidind> yet its still in the mods-enabled dir
[05:14] <viat0r> can anyone help me get my usb RTL8188CUS wifi working?
[05:14] <cfhowlett> !details > kang00, question makes no sense.
[05:15] <kang00> Why cfhowlett
[05:15] <kang00> What additional info is must?
[05:15] <kang00> viat0r what's that chip
[05:16] <viat0r> realtek
[05:16] <cfhowlett> kang00, please see page 7 https://inkscape.org/media/cms_page_media/56/ask-smart-questions.pdf
[05:17] <viat0r> its my wifi usb the onbaord on the old latop desnt work so i use that
[05:19] <viat0r> it was showing in lshw but not now
[05:19] <viat0r> lsub shows it though
[05:19] <snowkidind> so basically i got into a window that I could not escape out of in the ubuntu upgrade
[05:19] <snowkidind> how do i make sure the upgade completed?
[05:19] <cfhowlett> snowkidind, you mean a system update or a complete OS upgrade?
[05:20] <snowkidind> 14 - 16
[05:21] <cfhowlett> snowkidind, 1.  assume the OS upgrade worked.  2.  fully upgrade the new OS: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[05:21] <cfhowlett> yes, that means using the terminal   :)
[05:21] <snowkidind> lol easy boy
[05:22] <snowkidind> did all of that at least twice
[05:22] <snowkidind> im just getting a syntax error in apache
[05:22] <snowkidind> its driving me nuts
[05:22] <snowkidind> and i got banned from #httpd for no reason whatsoever
[05:22] <cfhowlett> snowkidind, ah. well then: purge it and reinstal
[05:22] <snowkidind> how
[05:22] <cfhowlett> sudo apt remove --purge apache
[05:23] <cfhowlett> sudo apt install apache
[05:23] <snowkidind> does that kill my config?
[05:23] <cfhowlett> possibly.  back up the config first
[05:23] <snowkidind> I have a couple ruby pages and a django install on there along with php
[05:24] <snowkidind> will that domp all the a2en mods?
[05:24] <snowkidind> sorry too many questions
[05:24] <cfhowlett> ...... and you have now officially gone over my narrow area of expertise.  sorry, but know nothing of .a2en
[05:25] <snowkidind> thats cool
[05:25] <snowkidind> i probably need to do that anyways
[05:25] <snowkidind> i was bumming when it started trying to reconfigure phpmyadmin
[05:25] <cfhowlett> personally, I do clean install each LTS .1 release
[05:26] <snowkidind> Im thinking of just dumping my local dev box and using a vm on aws
[05:26] <snowkidind> i have it already
[05:26] <amicrawler> can any body help me with this isssue im having
[05:26] <amicrawler> with a sound card
[05:27] <cfhowlett> might find better answers in #ubuntu-server snowkidind
[05:27] <snowkidind> :/
[05:27] <snowkidind> i think im fried and will attempt to resuscitate tomorrow
[05:27] <amicrawler>  Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CMI8788 [Oxygen HD Audio]
[05:27] <amicrawler> thats what i have
[05:27] <amicrawler> no sound
[05:28] <amicrawler> ubunut 14.05
[05:28] <b3p> ciao
[05:28] <b3p> list
[05:29] <CarlFK> I am getting lots of "Temporary failure in name resolution"   - retry and it works. which makes me think I have an extra dns server sometimes being used.    how do I tell what dnsmasq is using ?
[05:30] <sirv> amicrawler - why do u need sound anyways ?
[05:31] <amicrawler> streaming
[05:31] <sirv> and what states your /var/log/syslog ?
[05:32] <sirv> anything there ?
[05:41] <amicrawler> noting
[05:45] <bigLanky> how much different is 16.04 from 14.04
[05:48] <jamie_1> hey is there a way to remove all the non default programs and packages?
[05:48] <cfhowlett> big read the release notes please
[05:48] <Bashing-om> bigLanky: The user experience is the same . a lot of change under the hood with the advent of systemd .
[05:49] <cfhowlett> jamie_1, non-default meaning the packages *you* installed?
[05:49] <bigLanky> and 14 uses init.d?
[05:49] <jamie_1> cfhowlett: yes
[05:49] <cfhowlett> jamie_1, of course.  just remove them
[05:49] <sirv> amicrawler hmmmm
[05:49] <cfhowlett> via software center or the terminal
[05:50] <jamie_1> cfhowlett: i made a mistake and wrote up a script to add a shit ton of programs for a specific set of uses... now no longer have the script and a shit ton of packages i dont need that are now causing issues with deps on other stuff
[05:50] <cfhowlett> jamie_1,  what *buntu are you on?
[05:50] <jamie_1> gnome
[05:50] <jamie_1> 16.04
[05:50] <jamie_1> no... .10
[05:51] <amicrawler> sirv: not sure what to do
[05:51] <amicrawler> my sb work fine
[05:51] <cfhowlett> jamie_1, so you have ppas I take it?
[05:51] <amicrawler> but not this new card i got today
[05:51] <jamie_1> cfhowlett: no i set it up so it removed them after install as to not update...
[05:51] <sirv> amicrawler > i would google for this issie and loof in /var/log for information
[05:52] <sirv> *issue
[05:52] <sirv> *look
[05:52] <jyo_> hello
[05:52] <cfhowlett> jamie_1, if you have recently installed, your activity will be in your logs.  wait 1
[05:53] <jyo_> if I use dpkg --add-architecture i386, will it cause update probles with apt?
[05:53] <jamie_1> cfhowlett: it was awhile ago
[05:54] <cfhowlett> jamie_1, more /var/log/apt/history.log
[05:54] <cfhowlett> "awhile"? this month?
[05:54] <amicrawler> humm
[05:54] <jamie_1> cfhowlett: no like 5-6
[05:54] <amicrawler> my sound blaster usb card works fine
[05:54] <sirv> why did u get a new soundcard anyway ?
[05:55] <amicrawler> becuse the onborad audio not very good
[05:55] <sirv> sometimes it is better to stick to old card if it works
[05:55] <cfhowlett> jamie_1, ah.  well, I'd say a clean install is in order.  download th 16.04.2 .iso, make an install USB, reboot to USB and install the OS to your current partitions.  be careful NOT to format your /home
[05:55] <jyo_> having been added by dpkg and not apt or apt-get? Is this perhaps working on something older than the packages them selves and thus not problematic?
[05:55] <amicrawler> its analog
[05:55] <amicrawler> sound horable
[05:56] <amicrawler> ill enable again in biso
[05:56] <jamie_1> cfhowlett: i know all that fun stuff... was just hoping there might be a way to do it without loosing all my suff
[05:56] <moxuan> hello
[05:57] <cfhowlett> jamie_1, "take off and nuke it from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure.
[05:57] <jamie_1> cfhowlett: lol i know... ive dont that way to many times
[05:59] <cfhowlett> jamie_1, or ... go through the history.log and kill anything that is out of place.  actually it will be history.log.log IIRC
[06:00] <sirv> cf, just reinstall from live CD
[06:01] <sirv> i mean jamie
[06:01] <sirv> i always just reinstall if there are issues
[06:01] <cfhowlett> sirv, he's trying to avoid a reinstall ... I already advised it
[06:01] <jamie_1> sirv: trying not to loose my local trees
[06:02] <amicrawler> ok your right
[06:02] <amicrawler> sound is just as good
[06:02] <jamie_1> but its looking like im doing it anyways
[06:02] <amicrawler> with onborad
[06:02] <sirv> ami > if it works, dont change it :)
[06:02] <amicrawler> its intel audio card
[06:03] <amicrawler> sounds ok
[06:03] <amicrawler> ill return the other card
[06:03] <sirv> ami > but the onboard is not anolog nowadays .. it is all digital i think
[06:03] <sirv> if you dont have any noises from electronic interference, there should not be any quality difference in those cards
[06:04] <sirv> but i'am no expert
[06:04] <amicrawler> Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 05)
[06:04] <sirv> sounds legit
[06:04] <amicrawler> what about soundblster
[06:04] <amicrawler> its good as well  ?
[06:04] <wwwi> hello
[06:05] <sirv> i do not think there is difference in sound quality ...
[06:05] <sirv> maybe in features
[06:05] <wwwi> ubuntu gui froze
[06:05] <amicrawler> wwwi memory ?
[06:05] <wwwi> mouse and keyboard don't respond
[06:05] <amicrawler> unplug and replug
[06:05] <amicrawler> i did that my mouse does not show up
[06:05] <wwwi> amicrawler: memory?
[06:06] <amicrawler> but unplug and back and it works
[06:06] <amicrawler> ram ?
[06:06] <wwwi> amicrawler: unplug what?
[06:06] <amicrawler> the mouse and keyborad
[06:06] <sirv> try ctrl+alt+backspace ? it restarts X server .. at least in the old version it worked
[06:06] <amicrawler> thats is whats not working right ?
[06:06] <amicrawler> what ver of ubuntut are you using ?
[06:07] <wwwi> amicrawler: i think its 15
[06:07] <amicrawler> and mouse will not move?
[06:07] <cfhowlett> wwwi, dead and unsupported.  install a supported version
[06:08] <amicrawler> im on 14.05
[06:08] <amicrawler> went back from 16.04
[06:08] <wwwi> mouse doesn't move, caps lock doesnt work
[06:08] <amicrawler> humm
[06:08] <amicrawler> does it work on liveboot
[06:08] <wwwi> chromium has lots of tabs open
[06:08] <amicrawler> from boot usb stick or cdrom -dvd?
[06:09] <wwwi> liveboot? i dint try that
[06:09] <sirv> sudo service lightdm restart
[06:09] <amicrawler> how much does ram does the computer have ?
[06:09] <wwwi> amicrawler: 8
[06:09] <amicrawler> 8GB?
[06:09] <wwwi> yes
[06:10] <amicrawler> or 8MB
[06:10] <wwwi> 8 gb
[06:10] <amicrawler> and video card ?
[06:10] <amicrawler> ati nvidia
[06:10] <wwwi> no video card, it's the one in i5
[06:10] <amicrawler> so more then likely intel
[06:11] <wwwi> yes
[06:11] <amicrawler> so shared memory
[06:11] <amicrawler> with swap
[06:11] <sirv> 8gb is enough
[06:11] <amicrawler> yes
[06:11] <sirv> just do not open so many tabs
[06:11] <amicrawler> that what i have
[06:11] <sirv> in browser
[06:11] <sirv> and u have swap enabled ?
[06:12] <wwwi> sirv i don't know if swap is enabled
[06:12] <sirv> but if u have slow harddrive it will be slow anyways .. type 'free' in console
[06:13] <amicrawler> mine does not use swap
[06:13] <amicrawler> but it is there if needed
[06:13] <wwwi> sirv: how do i go to the console? i tried control alt f1, but nothing happened
[06:14] <amicrawler> ctrl+alt+f5
[06:14] <amicrawler> ctrl+alt+f7 to go back to gui
[06:15] <wwwi> amicrawler: ok, i just tried it, but it didn't work
[06:15] <sirv> alt+f2 ... type 'term'
[06:15] <sirv> click on the icon 'terminal' or 'term' or waht ever shows up
[06:15] <sirv> there type 'free'
[06:15] <amicrawler> have you reboot the computer ?
[06:16] <sirv> it will show u how much memory u have, how much free, and also the same about swap space if enabled
[06:16] <wwwi> sirv: alt f2 and then will i see anything on the screen and type term or will it be invinsible?
[06:16] <sirv> alt+f2 ... a textbox will appear
[06:17] <wwwi> amicrawler: i havent rebooted, will i lose data if i do?
[06:17] <amicrawler> do you have any thing running that is needed ?
[06:17] <amicrawler> or can you redo it
[06:18] <wwwi> amicrawler: well, i have a couple of files, open but saved in a usb stick, but they are open, will they corrupt?
[06:18] <amicrawler> not sure
[06:18] <sirv> just kill the chrome
[06:18] <sirv> or firefox or wahtever
[06:18] <amicrawler> yep that works to
[06:19] <wwwi> sirv: i cant reach the terminal, it doesnt open
[06:19] <amicrawler> kill the pid
[06:19] <wwwi> the gui is frozen for good
[06:19] <cfhowlett> !reisub
[06:20] <wwwi> cfhowlett: with reisub, i wont lose dat?
[06:21] <cfhowlett> wwwi, probably you will.  then again, your system is locked.  choose your options
[06:22] <sirv> i had to test it .. it works .. the stuff with prnscr
[06:22] <wwwi> cfhowlett: i mean, with reisub, i will probably lose data?
[06:22] <cfhowlett> yes you will probably lose any data you have not already seaved
[06:22] <cfhowlett> *saved*
[06:23] <wwwi> cfhowlett: but will it corrupt my files?
[06:23] <sirv> wait
[06:23] <cfhowlett> correct me if I'm wrong, wwwi: your system is locked?
[06:23] <wwwi> cfhowlett: gui is frozen
[06:24] <sirv> press CTRL+ALT+F1 .. but wait .. it will switch u to console .... to go back to desktop press then alt+f7
[06:24] <sirv> so when u in console .. login .. type free and let us know what is there
[06:24] <sirv> i think your browser used too much memory
[06:24] <wwwi> sirv: i pressed, but nothing happens
[06:25] <amicrawler> are u using a vrbox
[06:25] <amicrawler> or wubi
[06:25] <cfhowlett> wwwi, you have 2 options: hard reboot via holding the power button or reiusb reboot.  either way, any data you have not already backed up is going to vanish
[06:25] <amicrawler> under windows
[06:25] <sirv> cf if he can get into console maybe he can recover somehow
[06:26] <cfhowlett> amicrawler, wubi is dead, unsupported and hopelessly broken.  please do not encourage its use
[06:26] <cfhowlett> sirv, agreed
[06:26] <amicrawler> i was not
[06:26] <wwwi> amicrawler: vrbox? virtualbox under windows? no. keyboard and mouse are connected with a kvm though, to linux pc
[06:26] <amicrawler> was just asking
[06:26] <sirv> www and now u are using the computer we are talking about ?
[06:27] <sirv> if guy is frozen how u irciing ?
[06:27] <sirv> gui
[06:27] <amicrawler> just asking
[06:27] <wwwi> cfhowlett: any unbackuped data is going to vanish? if files are saved, they are not going to vanish, right?
[06:28] <amicrawler> if you were using a virtualbox
[06:28] <wwwi> sirv: from other pc
[06:28] <amicrawler> or a kvm
[06:28] <cfhowlett> wwwi, unless you did something to actually BREAK the OS, not just freeze it, your data should be safe
[06:29] <sirv> what data we are talking about ?
[06:29] <wwwi> amicrawler: i am not using a virtual box, just this hardware,mthat allows you to use a keyboar and a mouse with two pcs
[06:29] <sirv> well try to connect keyboard directly to test
[06:29] <amicrawler> have you unplug the kvm on the linux side and replug in ?
[06:29] <wwwi> cfhowlett: ok, so reisub won't corrupt my saved, but open files in my usb stick?
[06:30] <amicrawler> or are you using  a vr kvm ?
[06:30] <wwwi> amicrawler: no, should i do that?
[06:30] <cfhowlett> wwwi, wait ...
[06:30] <sirv> i think reisub will also not work for u :)
[06:30] <cfhowlett> wwwi, are you booted to a natively installed ubuntu or did you boot an ubuntu USB?
[06:30] <Snert__> is it true that Ubuntu now has ads in it?
[06:30] <sirv> your bproblem is between the keyboard and the chair
[06:31] <wwwi> cfhowlett: natively installed ubuntu
[06:31] <cfhowlett> wwwi, so unplug the usb
[06:31] <amicrawler> PEBKAC
[06:31] <wwwi> cfhowlett: why?
[06:32] <cfhowlett> you asked about USB data.  Unplug USB.
[06:32] <amicrawler> unless it is booting off the usb as alive boot
[06:32] <sirv> can u ssh or telnet to the machine ?
[06:32] <wwwi> cfhowlett: if i unplug the usb, what happens?
[06:33] <cfhowlett> wwwi, to the computer?  nothing
[06:33] <wwwi> cfhowlett: if i unplug the usb, the data is safer?
[06:33] <cfhowlett> wwwi, the data already written to usb is safe.  data NOT written is a lost cause
[06:35] <wwwi> cfhowlett: ok, but then why should i unplug the usb?
[06:35] <sirv> so u have data safe in your hand
[06:36] <amicrawler> are you trying to save the chrome info ?
[06:36] <wwwi> amicrawler: no, i just want the data in the usb stick
[06:37] <amicrawler> were you saving something in the middle of the gui locking up on you
[06:37] <sirv> ffs, just unplug the usb and reboot and let us know if any data was saved
[06:37] <wwwi> amicrawler: i dont think so
[06:38] <sirv> what were u doing when the gui locked up ?
[06:38] <wwwi> sirv: why i need to unplug the usb stick, before i reboot?
[06:38] <sirv> wwwi > to have data save in hand ...like to be sure ... better to have usb stick in hand then plugged in
[06:39] <sirv> in that way nothing will affect it
[06:39] <ThePotato456> i have installed ubuntu on my toshiba laptop but when i start i get "No UMS in module radeo."
[06:39] <ThePotato456> radeon
[06:39] <wwwi> sirv: i see
[06:40] <amicrawler> 465 did you upgrade?
[06:40] <amicrawler> 456
[06:40] <ThePotato456> yes
[06:40] <ThePotato456> is there ati drivers?
[06:40] <Ubuntu117> hello
[06:41] <amicrawler> and you have a ati card ?
[06:41] <Lennon^_^> I have sd chip question, when my turn.
[06:41] <ThePotato456> yes
[06:41] <ThePotato456> remaking an install disk
[06:41] <ThePotato456> ill come back when installed
[06:42] <Ubuntu117> im looking for some information and also answering questions if need
[06:42] <FireStriker> Hi all I was here earlier. I have a Acer Aspire E11 laptop I'm looking to instal ubuntu onto. It has a Celeron N2830 2.14GHz and 2GB of ram.
[06:42] <Ubuntu117> Fire sTiker
[06:42] <Ubuntu117> lol sry
[06:43] <Ubuntu117> have you tried this without success
[06:43] <amicrawler> ubuntu 16
[06:43] <Ubuntu117> or is this your first time
[06:43] <xangua> FireStriker: same answer, Lubuntu
[06:43] <FireStriker> Ok
[06:43] <Ubuntu117> halo?
[06:43] <amicrawler> 456 did you upgrade to ubunut 16
[06:44] <FireStriker> I know ubuntu is out of the question I'm just wonder about the CPU what's the best ver for it.
[06:44] <Ubuntu117> ubuntu 16 is very unstable be careful
[06:44] <Ubuntu117> Fire
[06:44] <amicrawler> my ati card loads
[06:44] <Ubuntu117> can you see my text?
[06:44] <amicrawler> but went back to 14
[06:44] <FireStriker> Not my first time installing Ubuntu but I havnt started to install it yet Ubuntu117
[06:44] <FireStriker> I have a old Toshiba laptop with lubuntu
[06:45] <wwwi> so, if the files are open from the usb stick, but saved, removing the usb stick wont corrupt them?
[06:45] <xXEoflaOEXx> I have created Lubuntu 16.10 USB bootable drive in Rufus on Windows, version 1.12, but it finished without errors, but when I boot to USB, it goes straight to HDD boot.
[06:45] <Ubuntu117> okay. i was just wondering .-. i just sometimes think people dont see mytext bc im using irssi
[06:45] <Ubuntu117> its a terminal based irc
[06:45] <ubuntu178> Halo
[06:46] <Ubuntu117> NAME STEALER
[06:46] <Ubuntu117> kill him
[06:46] <cfhowlett> xXEoflaOEXx, assuming the USB is good, you need to set your machine to boot from the USB.  read your manual or check the website
[06:46] <FireStriker> The mini Acer I'm looking to install it on I havnt touched with yet
[06:46] <Ubuntu117> if theres anything i can do let me know aswell.
[06:47] <amicrawler> what is the cpu and ram ?
[06:47] <FireStriker> It's all good ubuntu, I was just typing something else while you were saying stuff
[06:47] <Ubuntu117> all these people join and then say noting or leave .-.
[06:47] <Ubuntu117> lol see
[06:48] <wwwi> if the files are open from the usb stick, but saved, removing the usb stick wont corrupt them?
[06:48] <Ubuntu117> no.
[06:48] <sirv> wwwi ... welll
[06:48] <cfhowlett>    ? Ubuntu117 read /msg ubottu quietirc
[06:48] <sirv> wwwi ... it is the same as shutting down the PC
[06:48] <FireStriker> The CPU is a Celeron N2830 2.41GHz amicrawler
[06:49] <Ubuntu117> ? wait do you mean while on live boot
[06:49] <amicrawler> firestriker: ram >?
[06:49] <FireStriker> Ram is 2gb atm I can upgrade it to 4 and need to lookup the max
[06:49] <wwwi> sirv: they can still corrupt?
[06:49] <sirv> wwwi .... what kind of file is it ?
[06:49] <amicrawler> celeron will work not as fast
[06:49] <wwwi> sirv text and a libre office spreadsheet
[06:49] <FireStriker> Ik
[06:50] <amicrawler> ram will help
[06:50] <amicrawler> but will still be slow
[06:50] <FireStriker> What version do you recommend
[06:50] <Ubuntu117> im just waiting my turn .-. untill i get to help or be helped but at the same time also furiosly masterbating
[06:51] <sirv> wwwi > is there any way you can acces the console on that PC or GUI ? if no, then i do not see any difference if you remove the usb or not before reboot ... but I would remove it
[06:51] <amicrawler> you may want to goto mint
[06:51] <FireStriker> Ik I'm just hoping for it to go from painfully slow to useable slow or better
[06:51] <cfhowlett> Ubuntu117, time for you to read the and follow the guidelines
[06:51] <xXEoflaOEXx> cfhowlett, I went to Boot Menu, in my BIOS, and it appeared the USB RMD-FDD, and my USB next to it, so I assume BIOS recognized my USB drive. so I selected it, It failed and booted to HDD instead. I do not want to change the boot order.
[06:51] <amicrawler> my friend went to mint
[06:51] <xXEoflaOEXx> Do I have to unplug all other USB?
[06:52] <wwwi> sirv so, removing the usb stick before rebooting, or not can corrupt the files? what if i connect another keyboard on the pc? maybe i ill be able access the console?
[06:52] <cfhowlett> xXEoflaOEXx, 2 possibilities: 1.  bad USB.  2.  you did NOT tell your machine to boot from USB.
[06:53] <jmadero> FireStriker: I run Bodhi (derivative of Ubuntu) on several old computers and it runs smooth as silk
[06:53] <amicrawler> firestriker : https://www.linux.com/answers/which-distribution-linux-would-fit-best-celeron-23ghz-and-1gb-ram
[06:53] <sirv> wwwi  YES try to connect another keyboard
[06:53] <sirv> wwwi .. but now i think about the reisub ... maybe it is better to leave the stick in while doing the reisub
[06:53] <xXEoflaOEXx> cfhowlett, but my USB is fine, and I know that I did not change the boot order. I will change them in my BIOS.
[06:54] <sirv> yeah leave it in .. because the reisub does some unmounting ..
[06:54] <wwwi> sirv ok
[06:55] <amicrawler> end chat /
[06:55] <Lennon^_^> I created a bootable ubantu lts 16.4 installation sd chip on 2 gig chip, When I turn computer on, it goes into installation mode, and asks, Install Ubuntu? when i boot with disk out it boots to windows 10.  What worries me is it will format and overwrite my primary windows disk C.  I have 8 drives in system, and prepared one clean one 250 gig for ubuntu, however due to uncertainty of the sequence
[06:55] <Lennon^_^> of the install routine, much talk of partitioning, but havent seen multiple disk examples thus far.  Is it likely i might wipe my primary windows?  And if so how do I avoid it.  I know some of you snarky ones would say wipe it! wipe it!  But I need it for work. standard water cooled pc type system.  windows disk is in legacy mode, sd card eefi (sp).  I have no idea how bios knows which hard
[06:55] <Lennon^_^> drive to boot from.
[06:56] <FireStriker> What is the difference with mint and *ubuntu?
[06:56] <jmadero> the DE
[06:56] <jmadero> mint uses Cinnamon
[06:56] <jmadero> which has a ton of Gnome stuff
[06:56] <Ubuntu117> ive had your problem LENON
[06:56] <sirv> lennon ... during installation you will be asked on which harddrive to install
[06:56] <Ubuntu117> i wiped my windows 7 with Manjaro
[06:57] <naqash> :D
[06:57] <naqash> ;)
[06:57] <Ubuntu117> what i would do and ive always done this is disconnect all your other hard drives
[06:57] <jmadero> Lennon^_^: you can relatively easily figure out which partition it is by opening up file browser and checking your drives, you'll find one with all your windows crap
[06:57] <jmadero> just don't choose that during install ;)
[06:57] <FireStriker> Can you set up a dual boot with mint and win10?
[06:57] <jmadero> yes
[06:57] <sirv> lennon > during installation you will have multiple choises in one window ... which will offer u where to install ... just chhoose the 'expert' or 'i will choose' or 'custom' ... or what ever it is called ...
[06:57] <jmadero> you can dual boot any Linux distro with Windows
[06:57] <Ubuntu117> Jmadero that didnt work for me
[06:57] <jmadero> I have multiple HDs and that's how I do it
[06:58] <jmadero> you can also use gparted to get a graphical idea of which drive is empty
[06:58] <Ubuntu117> i selected a 160 gig foe manjaro and it wiped a different hard drive there is a risk
[06:58] <Ubuntu117> yes what you said works
[06:58] <jmadero> no there's not
[06:58] <jmadero> you chose the wrong one
[06:58] <xXEoflaOEXx> cfhowlett, I went to Boot sequency, and I changed the first boot device from Floppy to USB RMD-FDD:General UDisk. I saved and exit. It restarted my PC, and it did the same thing.
[06:58] <jmadero> there is zero risk of choosing the right drive and wiping a different one
[06:58] <Ubuntu117> ? yeah becasue you were there
[06:58] <Ubuntu117> im just giving a good no flaw solution
[06:58] <jmadero> yeah - because I know user error when I see it
[06:59] <Ubuntu117> if thats his worry thats my solution
[06:59] <jmadero> also having a backup is always recommended of course - because real problems can happen
[06:59] <Ubuntu117> im not saying youre wrong but
[06:59] <Ubuntu117> jmdero i can confirm that i selected a 160 because the two drives had different sizes
[07:00] <Ubuntu117> so eat a dick
[07:00] <cfhowlett> !ops | Ubuntu117 profanity, insults
[07:00] <Ubuntu117> but what i said does help that concern although ive only had it happen once
[07:00] <Ubuntu117> fuck you ubottu
[07:01] <chu> Ubuntu117: Please don't.
[07:01] <Ubuntu117> i have no filter im here to help
[07:01] <jmadero> for the life of me I can't get my time to read right
[07:01] <Lennon^_^> Thank all of you for so many good ideas, I believe disconnecting the important drive(s) during the install is the way I am going to go.  At least that way I get some exercise and wake the husband up, he deserve it for having me do this.
[07:01] <Ubuntu117> sure my solution wasnt practical
[07:02] <noimnotninevolt> at the risk of coming across as pedantic and raising the ire of ops, i'd like to point out that it's vulgarity, not profanity.
[07:02] <cfhowlett> Ubuntu117, if you really want to help (not troll) READ and follow the guidelines that apply to everyone is this channel.
[07:02] <Ubuntu117> not during
[07:02] <Ubuntu117> before
[07:02] <Ubuntu117> lol and while the pc is off
[07:02] <Ubuntu117> sorry i like had a stroke
[07:03] <Ubuntu117> im not a troll i came here with a question myself
[07:03] <Ubuntu117> but i saw those who needed help and if i could i woulds
[07:03] <noimnotninevolt> that being said, this channel isn't tolerant of vulgarity. if you can't filter yourself, this isn't the right forum for you.
[07:03] <Ubuntu117> k i heard the first 3 million people
[07:04] <sirv> wwwi > so how is your data ?
[07:04] <Ubuntu117> and ive answere ubuntu forums questions i help people, not a troll
[07:05] <Ubuntu117> so like lennon didnt disconnect his drives during install right ;-;
[07:05] <Ubuntu117> bc that would be bad
[07:05] <noimnotninevolt> have you considered running windows in a vm (perhaps with gpu passthrough) instead of dual booting?
[07:06] <Lennon^_^> Yes I installed VM oracle, and elected against it.
[07:06] <Ubuntu117> if you have the suffeicient power and your use of windows isnt performace instensive windows in a vm is great
[07:06] <Ubuntu117> i just install xp in a vm today
[07:06] <noimnotninevolt> i run a win10 vm for gaming. performance impact is on the order of 3% framerate.
[07:06] <Ubuntu117> btw i have a question ;-; i forgot about
[07:07] <Ubuntu117> whos farmiliar with cain and abel?
[07:07] <ramil> hello
[07:08] <Ubuntu117> hi
[07:08] <wwwi> sirv i will be back in a bit, i havent done anything yet
[07:08] <neo_dc> morning/afternoon
[07:09] <Ubuntu117> can anyone refer me to a program that can show the connections of a target device on a lan network
[07:09] <sirv> wwwi > if your files are so important why dont u have backup
[07:09] <Lennon^_^> My other half needs to learn linux and is too impatient to read manuals, and not a people person.
[07:09] <noimnotninevolt> people often dismiss the idea of running windows in a vm for performance reasons, but if your hardware supports vt-d, it's a viable option.
[07:10] <Lennon^_^> I have the computer backed up.
[07:10] <unk> Ubuntu117 ntopng
[07:10] <Ubuntu117> like ntopng thsnkyou unk
[07:10] <Ubuntu117> i really appreciate it
[07:10] <unk> i use it on pfsense
[07:10] <unk> works decent
[07:12] <Ubuntu117> i dont know alot about ntetworking past the OSI model used for teaching
[07:12] <Ubuntu117> so im pretty dumb ;=; but im always trying to learn but dont have alot of good sources
[07:12] <sirv> 117 it is not bad to be dumb ... enjoy it
[07:14] <sirv> actually iit is much easier to be dumb .. dumb ppl have much less problems
[07:14] <Ubuntu117> im not sheeple dumb
[07:14] <Lennon^_^> I agree sirv, my husband is quite happy.
[07:14] <Ubuntu117> compared to the average person im smart. compared to a computer expert dum as hell
[07:15] <Lennon^_^> not to suggest i am not also dumb.
[07:15] <sirv> lennon > how do u know ? u notice it when he visits u in kitchen ?
[07:15] <Ubuntu117> lol lennon what gpu do you have
[07:15]  * noimnotninevolt sighs
[07:16] <Lennon^_^> it has 8 cores, amd and flames out without the water cooler.
[07:17] <sirv> there should be a version of ubuntu special for women
[07:17] <noimnotninevolt> gpu, cpu, same thing.
[07:17] <sirv> with recipes preinstalled, automatically launching firefox
[07:18] <sirv> i'am going to do that .. will be called wUbuntu
[07:18] <noimnotninevolt> many people would find this more offensive than liberal use of vulgarity.
[07:18] <Lennon^_^> Oh the dusty thing, that works okay after some air gun blowing for about 6 months to year.
[07:18] <noimnotninevolt> i'm just sayin.
[07:18] <Lennon^_^> I know guys are better at computers, except mine.
[07:19] <neo_dc> hello all, please its been a little while i got my hands dirty on linux, and i'm playing with OpenKM... just run into issues on both debian 7/8 and ubuntu relating to IPv6 preventing apt-get from connecting to the internet
[07:20] <neo_dc> tried a few things I found on the internet, as in disabling IPv6, changing repo source to de instead of us sites
[07:20] <neo_dc> but, still no joy
[07:20] <Ubuntu117> i lost my ciggerettes life is over
[07:20] <noimnotninevolt> does your isp support ipv6?
[07:21] <neo_dc> I can ping the repos but apt-get cannot connect to download stuff...
[07:21] <neo_dc> noimnotninevolt> does your isp support ipv6?   (lemme check)
[07:21] <wwwi> i connected another keyboard, control alt f1 doesnt bring me to the console
[07:21] <noimnotninevolt> though, if it doesn't, and your ipv4 stack is working, that should 'just work' too...
[07:21] <wwwi> caps lock doesnt work on new keyboard neither, light doesnt light
[07:22] <Lennon^_^> I think that was a silly question noimnotninevolt, but not sure.
[07:22] <sirv> wwwi do the reisub stuff /.. but wait after typing each letter
[07:22] <noimnotninevolt> Lennon^_^: i was asking neo_dc. my apologies for the confusion
[07:23] <wwwi> sirv reisub wont corrupt my data?
[07:23] <neo_dc> noimnotninevolt> -- mmm i use vmware workstation on a windows host, i had turned off ipv6 on the NICs from the get go, I'll turn it back on, restart network on ,y linux VMs and see
[07:23] <sirv> wwwi u should have thought about it before .. doing backup
[07:23] <noimnotninevolt> neo_dc: you shouldn't need ipv6 connectivity, so that's probably not the most reasonable course of action.
[07:26] <noimnotninevolt> can you try running `cat /etc/sysctl.conf | grep disable_ipv6` and see if you get any output?
[07:26] <neo_dc> @noimnotninevolt your suggestion led me to look at my physical and virtual NICs. gimme a few minutes let me see what gives .. hardware NIC had v6 off, however virtual bridge NICs had v6 turned on..
[07:26] <Lennon^_^> noi, I simply was under impression ipv6 was supported universally now by isps, but i could so easily be wrong.  Sorry to interupt noimnotninevoit
[07:26] <noimnotninevolt> you shouldn't need ipv6, that's my point :P
[07:27] <noimnotninevolt> Lennon^_^: in this case, the ipv6 issue seems to be between the ubuntu vm and the isp, but again, we shouldn't need ipv6 for apt to work.
[07:27] <neo_dc> no output from "cat /etc/sysctl.conf | grep disable_ipv6"
[07:27] <noimnotninevolt> what version of ubuntu?
[07:27] <neo_dc> I'm on the debian now, 7.6 64 bit
[07:28] <noimnotninevolt> jessie>*
[07:28] <noimnotninevolt> but anyway :P
[07:28] <sirv> there is already ubuntu-women
[07:28] <noimnotninevolt> try http://askubuntu.com/questions/440649/how-to-disable-ipv6-in-ubuntu-14-04
[07:28] <noimnotninevolt> still weird that it would insist on ipv6 though
[07:29] <Lennon^_^> Noi, all I know of ipv6 vs 4 is it seems more a hardware thing.
[07:29] <neo_dc> @noimnotninevolt .. I will disable v6
[07:29] <noimnotninevolt> i've never seen that happen, even in virtualized environments with broken/disabled ipv6
[07:29] <neo_dc> this is my experience: http://askubuntu.com/questions/574569/apt-get-stuck-at-0-connecting-to-us-archive-ubuntu-com
[07:30] <ducasse> noimnotninevolt: try putting 'Acquire::ForceIPv4 "true";' in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99force-ipv4 and see if apt behaves then.
[07:30] <wwwi> what about alt print r and then control alt f1?
[07:30] <neo_dc> I am turnuing on the ubuntu one, and I'll show you my command history
[07:30] <ducasse> neo_dc: try putting 'Acquire::ForceIPv4 "true";' in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99force-ipv4 and see if apt behaves then.
[07:30] <sirv> wwwi what is that supposed to do ?
[07:30] <noimnotninevolt> neo_dc: what ducasse  said :P
[07:30] <ducasse> noimnotninevolt: sorry, bad tab expand - still waking up :)
[07:31] <noimnotninevolt> full disclosure: i'm drunk
[07:31] <noimnotninevolt> rule of thumb: when in doubt, disable ipv6. any networking people will want to stab me for saying that though.
[07:32] <wwwi>  sirv this article i am reading says, you take control of keyboard from gui server, then you can type what you want, so, then i can access the virtual console and kill the offending process
[07:32] <sirv> wwwi ... try it ... but i see only solution now to just reboot
[07:33] <sirv> wwwi u r too much worrying about the data .. there is like less than 1% chance they will corrupt
[07:33] <sirv> and if it happes they it already happened
[07:33] <sirv> *then
[07:34] <Lennon^_^> Surgical suite 2:  We are trying to get a visual on the heart picture machine, what do we do?
[07:34] <Lennon^_^> jk
[07:35] <noimnotninevolt> mission accomplished. apt is working.
[07:36] <noimnotninevolt> and on that note, i'm passing out. good luck everyone else.
[07:36] <Ubuntu117> i have deja ... something i backed up my Cyborg hawk linux files how would i access them on my other hard drive if i destroy this distro like i normally do
[07:37] <lord4163> Ugh, let apt install a new sudoers file, now I'm locked out :/
[07:38] <Lennon^_^> 117 isnt there perhaps a way to chmod, one of few commands i know to protect files?
[07:38] <wwwi> control alt backspace may work?
[07:38] <Ubuntu117> could you reword the question im a bit slow comprehemding anything
[07:38] <wwwi> to restart the x server?
[07:38] <sirv> wwwi > nope, u r f*cked
[07:39] <Ubuntu117> i reread a sentence 10 times yesterday and dont get it still
[07:39] <Lennon^_^> flaps down time.
[07:40] <wwwi> sirv can i connect to my linux pc from another pc and restart the xserver remotely?
[07:40] <sirv> wwwi > u have sshd running ?
[07:40] <wwwi> sirv the ssh server? i dont know
[07:40] <Ubuntu117> lennon i still dont understand the question ive tried rereading it.
[07:40] <sirv> try just the first step prnscr + R
[07:41] <Ubuntu117> i have dyslaxie
[07:41] <sirv> they try again keyboard shortcuts if they work
[07:41] <Ubuntu117> dysleiax
[07:41] <sirv> *then
[07:41] <Ubuntu117> that was me typing to fat
[07:41] <Lennon^_^> 117, you said you were writing some files, I asked simply if you might not be able to write protect them with the chmod command before writting.
[07:42] <wwwi> sirv i tried alt, printscreen and r, didnt work, is it just printsreecn and r?
[07:42] <sirv> alt+prnscr+R
[07:42] <ducasse> wwwi: if you're trying to use the 'magic sysrq key' while x is running, you need to press ctrl+alt+printsc and then r,e,i,s,u,b
[07:42] <Ubuntu117> oh. i was asking about restoring a backup i
[07:43] <sirv> now try ctrl+alt+F1
[07:43] <Ubuntu117> unless your question protains to you
[07:43] <Ubuntu117> in which im lost bc i was out
[07:43] <wwwi> ducasse: i havent tried that yet, i am trying to see if there is something else i can try before i get there
[07:44] <Ubuntu117> im alsi being attacked for doritioes by a dog thats on my desk rn brb
[07:45] <Lennon^_^> Dog on a desk, doubles iq of computer operator. laughs at my own joke.
[07:46] <Ubuntu117> i just got that joke but i have to go before bella eats my room
[07:47] <Ubuntu117> she was asleep untill now.
[07:48] <Ubuntu117> if anyone has animals keep them in boxes and mel nurished so they arent happy and energetic enough to need attentipm
[07:48] <Lennon^_^> I played a good computer joke on my husband in 1980, he retells it still to his friends.
[07:49] <ducasse> wwwi: there's only virtual consoles, ssh (if installed, it's not by default on 16.04+ desktop installs), ctrl+alt+backspace (if enabled, it's not by default). if none of those work, sysrq+reisub is actually your safest bet.
[07:50] <wwwi> ducasse: ok
[07:50] <wwwi> ducasse: what about telnet?
[07:50] <Fraggleeeleee> Hello, is it possible for me to get the very first distrobution of Ubuntu?
[07:50] <ducasse> wwwi: that hasn't been enabled for like two decades
[07:51] <Fraggleeeleee> when i search for ubuntu 1,0 i get the newer one.
[07:51] <wwwi> ducasse: a k
[07:51] <Flannel> Fraggleeeleee: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/
[07:51] <cfhowlett> Fraggleeeleee, there is and never was an ubuntu 1.0
[07:51] <Fraggleeeleee> Thankyou.
[07:52] <Fraggleeeleee> why does it start at 4.10?
[07:52] <wafflejock> Fraggleeeleee, the version numbers are based on the year and month of release 16.04 is 2016 April (04)
[07:52] <Flannel> Fraggleeeleee: Ubuntu releases are year.month.  October of 2004 was the first release.
[07:52] <Fraggleeeleee> oh okay thats cool. thankyou
[07:52] <Fraggleeeleee> thats really neat.
[07:53] <Lennon^_^> kinda like wordpress free templates are named for the year. Learned something new.
[07:54] <Fraggleeeleee> thankyou im trying to get VMs of old linux Distrobutions to present to a class
[07:54] <Fraggleeeleee> Goo bye
[07:54] <Lennon^_^> Nobody wants to know joke I played on husband who purchased a computer and hid it in trunk in closet because we couldnt afford it? at time.
[07:54] <Lennon^_^> waves at frag
[07:54] <cfhowlett> Lennon^_^, completely off topic here.  perhaps #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:56] <sirv> lennon > hopefully he chained u in kitchen for that stunt
[07:56] <Lennon^_^> cfhowlett visited, silent, shrug.  I will be silent too.  But y all did help me.
[07:58] <SinkingShip9> hello you probably get ask this a lot, will there be a next release after 17.04 and if so what will be its name?
[07:58] <SinkingShip9> get asked*
[07:58] <sirv> lennon why u not in #ubuntu-women ?
[07:58] <cfhowlett> of course there will be a release.  we will find out the name when it is announced just like always
[07:58] <Lennon^_^> didnt know there was one. I will if you arent teasing me.
[07:59] <SinkingShip9> when is the name usually announced?
[07:59] <wafflejock> SinkingShip9, every 6 months until plans change (if they do) there is a new "release" new LTS every 2 years
[08:00] <Lennon^_^> Waves to the guys, ty.
[08:01] <SinkingShip9> well given that Z is the last letter of the English alphabet..i can't wait to see what will the name be heh
[08:01] <wafflejock> every april and october there's a release seems like they just pick names once the next version starts but not sure the process aside from the general rules, I assume they'll wrap around with the letters back to AA but not sure
[08:02] <SinkingShip9> who's they? who decides the name? i would think there would be a voting contest or something
[08:02] <SinkingShip9> on a second thought we don't need ubuntu mcubuntuface name
[08:03] <cfhowlett> mark shuttleworth decides the name - no contest
[08:03] <wafflejock> Canonical https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[08:03] <wafflejock> they have a suggestions section there dunno details though just found the page
[08:06] <SinkingShip9> hey unicorns and Werewolfs aren't animals :/
[08:06] <SinkingShip9> well real animals anyway
[08:08] <zhalla>  /LIST >50
[08:23] <dreki> I am having an issue with firefox. It seems that web pages load but don't display. I can go to google.com or reddit.com and the page stays blank. But I can tell the page is loaded because I can click on the page and new pages will load as if i had clicked on a link on the page.
[08:23] <dreki> I cleared cache and stuff but nothing seems to help.
[08:24] <wafflejock> dreki, sounds like some sort of rendering problem have you tried right clicking and inspecting the page to see if pulling up the console/inspector view makes it draw the page?
[08:24] <wafflejock> dreki, also is it a new issue or been this way from the start?
[08:25] <dreki> wafflejock: no it just started when I ran apt upgrade
[08:25] <wafflejock> dreki, F12 should also pull up the dev tools I'm pretty sure
[08:25] <wafflejock> in the browser I mean
[08:26] <dreki> I can see the html for the page in the dev tools but still cant see the page
[08:26] <wafflejock> dreki, hmm maybe you can see if there is some hardware acceleration that got turned on during the upgrade or something like that could be messing it up
[08:26] <wafflejock> within firefox settings I mean, I know I've manually enabled that for some webgl stuff
[08:27] <wafflejock> should be in options->advanced "User hardware acceleration when available"
[08:27] <wafflejock> Use*
[08:28] <dreki> I think I've always had that on. I tried turning it off and restarting firefox just now and it didn't help
[08:28] <adymitruk> How can I get colour emojis in the terminal?
[08:28] <wafflejock> hrm yeah in that case dunno maybe try launching firefox from a terminal and see if there's any output with errors in the terminal that might lead to something
[08:29] <wafflejock> dreki, ^^
[08:29] <Scriptchord> Hi
[08:29] <dreki> wafflejock: thanks I'll try that
[08:29] <ducasse> dreki: there is a known bug about this problem, you can find it on launchpad if you search.
[08:31] <Guest58803> salut
[08:32] <dreki> Can anyone recommend an alternate browser? to use in the mean time? perhaps a firefox alternative. something  in the ubuntu standard repos?
[08:32] <dreki> a firefox variant I mean
[08:34] <cfhowlett> dreki, please read /msg ubottu browser
[08:36] <reb> хай
[09:00] <cuddle> what android emulator works on ubuntu
[09:01] <wwwi> sirv isnt some way to kill the browser, its the browser that is monopolizing the cpu
[09:04] <sirv> wwwi how do u know ?
[09:04] <wwwi> so, basically chromium frozed the gui and control alt f1 doesnt pop up the virtual console
[09:04] <wwwi> i can only try reisub?
[09:04] <sirv> is there HDD activity ?
[09:06] <dupondje> dreki: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1659922
[09:06] <dupondje> known bug
[09:07] <wwwi> sirv how do i figure out that? chromium would make the pc unresponsive before, but mouse would work in slow motion, because of many tabs open, but chromium would eventually unload tabs on its own and pc would become responsive or i would manage to close a tab and pc would become responsive again
[09:09] <wwwi> sirv how do i find out if there hdd activity? its a ssd, so i cant hear anything
[09:14] <wwwi> sirv the ethernet port has 2 lights next to it, an orange one and a green one, the green one does blink occassionanyl, does that mean there is hdd activity?
[09:14] <dreki> dupondje: Thanks.
[09:14] <dupondje> dreki: np :) easy to fix also
[09:17] <SITM> what is the most RAM that ubuntu 16.04 LTS will support?
[09:17] <sirv> wwwi alt+prnscr+reisub
[09:18] <cfhowlett> SITM, no upper limit - usually the inverse question is asked
[09:18] <SITM> well sure there is an upper limit
[09:18] <SITM> I was just wondering what it was
[09:18] <cisstrd> ubuntu 16.10 can't install steam http://dpaste.com/2AEA90S.txt - install is a few days old, did not much tweaking, just tried to install steam via apt-get, help & tips appreciated
[09:18] <baizon> SITM: http://askubuntu.com/questions/142043/whats-the-maximum-amount-of-ram-i-can-use-on-an-specific-hardware
[09:19] <cisstrd> I should clarify: I got it installed, it just doesn't run
[09:19] <SITM> thanks baizon
[09:19] <SITM> so 12TB won't be a problem
[09:19] <cfhowlett> cisstrd, best to ask the steam channel  /msg ubottu steam
[09:20] <cfhowlett> thanks baizon: news to me.  sorry for the misinformed response SITM
[09:20] <cisstrd> cfhowlett: awesome ty, sorry, didn't know about that one
[09:21] <sirv> why u need 12TB memory ? that is bullsh1t
[09:23] <wwwi> sirv would be useful to try to unplug the keyboard or mouse, to see if control alt f1 works then, i already plugged another keyboard and mouse and those dont respond and the try reisub?
[09:23] <wwwi> *and then
[09:29] <wwwi> any ideas?
[09:30] <sirv> wwwi > yeah try it, but then alt+prnscr+reisub
[09:31] <sirv> or let the machine sit for some days maybe it will recover
[09:32] <wwwi> sirv, but if i unplug the keyboard, and again plug it, maybe the reisub wont work?
[09:36] <wwwi> also about the reisub, is it possible that a later command will run before a previous command has a chance to run?
[09:37] <kernello> hello everyone, does ubuntu one still exist? I thought it was closed a few years back
[09:37] <blueking> anyone been into zone based firewall ?
[09:37] <sirv> wwwi > unpluging keyboard wont affect reisub
[09:38] <kernello> it seems to exist as I'm asked to login there to install some programs in software center
[09:38] <sirv> wwwi therefore u need to make pause after each letter, like 30 seconds
[09:39] <wwwi> sirv but will the frozen os will be able to recognise the keyboard after it is removed?
[09:41] <cfhowlett> kernello, the cloud storage has been killed.  the single sign on and other pieces remain
[09:44] <kernello> cfhowlett, ah, thank you :)
[09:44] <cfhowlett> happy2help! kernello
[09:47] <kernello> and they're called "snaps'..why that? aren't they like any other program in the repository?
[09:47] <kernello> or is there a 'cult of snap'? :))
[09:48] <kernello> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emd5K8Sphu4
[09:48] <wwwi> sirv but will the frozen os may not be able to recognise the keyboard after it is removed?
[09:48] <wwwi> and replugged?
[09:49] <sirv> wwwi > i dont know ... it it is a ps2 they yes
[09:49] <sirv> if usb then maybe
[09:50] <wwwi> its usb
[09:50] <sirv> alt+prnscr+reisub
[09:52] <iamrohit7> i got bored of the xfce desktop. any cool alternatives?
[09:53] <iamrohit7> i used unity before.
[09:53] <wowoo> hello. I'm trying to install linux but can't partition my disk
[09:53] <wwwi> sirv ok, thanks
[09:53] <wwwi> thanks all
[09:54] <wowoo> When I try to add a new partition it says "It is not possible to create more than 4 primary partitions"
[09:55] <sirv> wwwi :) so did it go
[09:55] <sirv> *how
[09:58] <wwwi> sirv i havent tried it yet. i thought to drink a coffee first. sirv since it froze, how will it be able to process the reisub commands?
[09:58] <sirv> background
[09:59] <sirv> let us know how much data u managed to save
[09:59] <wwwi> sirv but isnt highly unlikely that i will lose data?
[10:02] <sirv> wwwi no, just let us know how did it go
[10:02] <sirv> dont worry
[10:02] <wwwi> sirv highly unlikely, right?
[10:02] <sirv> extremely
[10:03] <sirv> did u learn something from this situation ?
[10:03] <wwwi> sirv so, if reisub fails, i then remove the usb stick and turn off, on the pc? i can't see a reset button
[10:03] <sirv> wwwi exactly
[10:03] <wwwi> sirv yes, i'll backup
[10:04] <sirv> wwwi i also lost a lot of data because of a failed harddrive, i lost all my photos, very sad ... hard lesson
[10:04] <sirv> burn everything on dvd since
[10:04] <wwwi> sirv sorry about that
[10:14] <mascellable> ciao
[10:17] <wwwi>  sirv if my pc doesnt have any cpu cycles available, how is it going to process the reisub commands? or what if it process a little bit here and there, but doesnt complete the commands properly, could that be worst than just turning the pc off from the button?
[10:18] <\9> wowoo: you need to create logical partitions to get around that
[10:23] <user__> hi
[10:24] <user__> any there to chat
[10:24] <user__> hi chennakeshava
[10:24] <cfhowlett> user__, chitchat in #ubuntu-offtopic           support only in this channel
[10:26] <user__> hi
[10:26] <bazhang> user__, ubuntu support question?
[10:27] <wwwi> any ideas? maybe i should just remove my usb stick with my data and then power off my pc? instead of trying reisub first? its frozen, will it be able to process the reisub commands properly or things will get messed up?
[10:27] <cfhowlett> user__, ask you ubuntu question
[10:30] <sirv> wwwi > then let the machine sit for 2 weeks
[10:30] <sirv> it will recover alone
[10:35] <wwwi> sirv other times, chromium would kill on its own tabs and pc would become responsive, mouse still worked but dragged, it would kill tabs in like an hour, but now mouse is frozen and pc is frozen since more than 12 hours ago, you think pc can recover?
[10:36] <sirv> wwwi > everything is possible
[10:40] <anddam> I'm ubuntu desktop graphical install, I choosed 'custom' settings since I had to tweak partitions
[10:40] <wwwi> sirv so, you think it can recover?
[10:40] <anddam> but i see the "device for boot loader installation" dropdown menu doesn't have a "don't install", will it mess my existing grub-efi setup?
[10:41] <sirv> wwwi yes
[10:41] <sirv> weeks, maybe months
[10:41] <bazhang> sirv, thats not helpful at all
[10:42] <sirv> it depends
[10:42] <bazhang> sirv, no it does not
[10:42] <sirv> why not ?
[10:42] <bazhang> sirv, better to say nothing than give out false advice
[10:43] <sirv> lol false advice, ok i;am quiet now
[10:46] <wwwi> bazhang: what would be a better advice?
[10:47] <bazhang> wwwi first what version of ubuntu is this, has this install ever worked
[10:49] <wwwi> bazhang: 15, it worked, but chromium has lots of tabs open, and with more tabs, tends to freeze gui for a while, untill chromium unloads tabs, this time froze and its frozen since more than 12 hours ago, usually, it unfrozes in an hour or so, never thought chromium could really freeze my pc, this time its frozen for a long time
[10:50] <popey> wwwi: i went with tab suspender in chrome to reduce the load
[10:50] <bazhang> www1 15.04/15.10?
[10:50] <popey> wwwi: it should work in chromium too. i have 16gb ram and an i7 and my pc bogs down with lots of tabs
[10:50] <wwwi> bazhang: i think its 15.1
[10:51] <bazhang> www1 that's end of life, upgrade to a supported version
[10:52] <wwwi> bazhang: yes, i will do that
[10:52] <bazhang> wwwi once you have done that then why not try popey 's suggestion
[10:56] <wwwi> bazhang: yes, ok
[10:56] <wwwi> so, is it realistic to wait longer in case chromium kills tabs and pc unfrozes?
[10:56] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades wwwi
[10:57] <wwwi> bazhang: thanks
[10:57] <bazhang> np
[11:02] <wwwi> but will it work to wait longer in case chromium kills tabs and pc unfrozes or will i have to wait forever? days or more?
[11:03] <wwwi> its an i5 cpu
[11:03] <wwwi> or waiting could actually corrupt my files in the usb stick?
[11:06] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
[11:10] <wwwi> any ideas?
[11:13] <BluesKaj> wwwi, I was too late for your question
[11:13] <MonkeyDust> wwwi  hit the up arrow to repeat your question
[11:14] <\9> MonkeyDust: there's been hours of discussion
[11:14] <\9> i'm also at loss as what's the problem
[11:17] <cs_> Hi there! I really'd like to upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04. I made backups, so now it's time to do it, but I'm afraid a bit. Is there anyone who could help me in private to deal with this thing?
[11:17] <wwwi> yes, chromium froze pc, other times chromium briefly makes pc unresponsive, but mouse still works a little and after a while chromium unloads tabs and pc becomes responsive again, this time it's been like that since more than 12 hours and mouse doesnt responds
[11:17] <\9> and you don't want to forcibly reboot because the usb is plugged in?
[11:17] <wwwi> control alt f doesnt work, no virtual console appears
[11:18] <cfhowlett> cs_, sudo do-release-upgrade should do it quite nicely
[11:18] <wwwi> will it work to wait longer in case chromium kills tabs and pc unfrozes or will i have to wait forever? days or more?
[11:18] <wwwi> could the waiting corrupt my files in my usb stick?
[11:18] <\9> it's not going to recover on its own
[11:18] <noc_> wwwi, can you ping the pc from another one from the local network? That would tell you if the system is busy as opposed to frozen
[11:18] <wwwi> noc, yes, i will try that
[11:19] <cs_> @cfhowlett: Yep, but im not sure about what to do when popup windows pops up. :)
[11:19] <cfhowlett> cs let's go to private
[11:20] <noc_> by the way, unplugging the usb equates to a crash, which can bork the data if formatted with fat, not if formatted with ext4 or btrfs (because they have journaling which is designed, for that) and I dont know about ntfs
[11:24] <Dave114> installed Ubuntu 16 LTS from a USB key, but now system won't boot.  I'd had to edit the USB key's grub config to add a nomodeset option, but even if I do this for the new install that doesn't work.  Any ideas?
[11:25] <Dave114> note that I'd selected full-disk encryption ... just wondering if for some reason a prompt for a password to boot the system isn't being displayed properly and that might be the root of the problem?  Where should I encounter that prompt?
[11:28] <\9> noc_: my understanding is that it only borks the data if the stick is currently being used
[11:28] <\9> if it's chrome that froze then this seems unlikely to me
[11:30] <wwwi> noc, i pinged the pc, i got replies, usb stick was never formatted by me, it is as it was from factory, so, what filesystem it has?
[11:38] <wwwi> i just accessed my apache test page of the frozen pc from another pc
[11:38] <wwwi> so, basically pc is not frozen, just too busy?
[11:38] <tyro_21> I'm looking for a good tutorial on how to build a chatbot using python. Do you guys have any suggestions?
[11:38] <cfhowlett> tyro_21, ask the #python channel
[11:39] <tyro_21> cfhowlett I'm in university and can't use a regstered nickname, which means I can't access the #python channel.
[11:40] <cfhowlett> then google is your friend tyro_21
[11:40] <tyro_21> cfhowlett: I don't have any friends
[11:40] <wwwi> any ideas? Apache was still works in pc, but its gui is frozen
[11:40] <wwwi> *still
[11:41] <wwwi> so, the gui may recover?
[11:41] <tyro_21> wwwi try the "killall" command
[11:42] <\9> wwwi: i don't suppose you have a ssh server installed
[11:42] <wwwi> tyro_21: frozen pc doesn't accept keyboard commands
[11:43] <wwwi> \9 i dont have it installed
[11:44] <Guest90777> wwwi reisub ?
[11:45] <wwwi> Guest90777: i am not sure if that will work better, than a power off, will the pc manage to run the commands properly, or it will mess things ups?
[11:46] <\9> it gives your pc a chance to prepare for an emergency reboot
[11:47] <\9> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Uses you can see here that the command contains instructions to detach all devices
[11:49] <wwwi> \9 what if a latter command runs before a previous one finishes?
[11:50] <\9> i got the idea that you're supposed to type it in slowly so that the computer has time to finish each instruction
[11:50] <\9> !reisub
[11:51] <backbox> Anyone here running Backbox?
[11:52] <cfhowlett> we've gone full circle this was suggested to wwwi - with these same links - some 6 hours ago ...
[11:52] <MonkeyDust> backbox  it's not supported here
[11:52] <cfhowlett> backbox, wrongchannel.  backbox has their own support. go there please
[11:52] <MonkeyDust> the channel has 2 active users
[11:53] <backbox> Wasnt looking for support, was just curious :)
[11:56] <ubuntu__> some1 should kick this wwwi guy, he always comes here and trolls ppl asking for help for not real problems ... he is here since 10 hours asking how to reset a frozen GUI
[11:57] <ubuntu__> then he comes back with another fake problem asking for help
[11:57] <ubuntu__> typical troll
[11:57] <ubuntu__> his question already answered 50 times to him
[12:03] <noc_> \9 no, my reply was under the assumption that the usb is not unmounted before extracting
[12:04] <ubuntu__> he is trolling u
[12:05] <ubuntu__> wwwi is a trolling snake
[12:05] <cfhowlett> ubuntu__, relax.  leave it to the mods and stop the insults.
[12:06] <ubuntu__> cf i'am personally involved because i tried to help him numerous times
[12:06] <noc_> iirc there is an ops factoid if you need it?
[12:07] <cfhowlett> noc_, there is. not warranted in this situation - emergencies only.
[12:12] <wwwi> i am not a troll
[12:12] <wwwi> ubuntu__: that's just your opinion
[12:12] <cfhowlett> wwwi, you have been given multiple solutions.  I suggest you try them and report the outcome.
[12:15] <kernello> hello everyone, I have a list of installed packages as output of 'aptitude search '~i!~M''. is there a way to install all packages together using this output?
[12:15] <hellraiser2> hey
[12:15] <kernello> I mean on a reinstall
[12:16] <\9> kernello: you could use some text processing magic to extract the names of the packages and then provide them all to apt
[12:16] <\9> apt install package1 package2 package3 etc
[12:17] <\9> kernello: iirc there's also a complete solution for automatising this but the name escapes me
[12:18] <kernello> \9, can I directly paste the output of the command that I mentioned into apt-install?
[12:18] <ubuntu__> wwwi > u always come here under different nicknames and ask fake problems all day
[12:19] <kernello> I presume the output contains the original package names, so it should be possible
[12:19] <\9> the output also contains other data and apt will treat each as a package name
[12:19] <\9> worse yet, as a regular expression so if there's an asterisk it will expand to a lot of packages
[12:19] <FManTropyx> hellos
[12:19] <\9> so just piping the text as-is is a bad idea
[12:19] <\9> extract the package names first
[12:20] <\9> you can use the `cut` program or regular expressions for that
[12:20] <kernello> but I think the output lists the package names, no?
[12:21] <\9> it prints a detailed table, didn't you try it yourself?
[12:21] <wwwi> ubuntu__: cant you stop these things?
[12:21] <MonkeyDust> kernello  you can also use the 'apt-clone' command ... apt-clone clone --with-dpkg-repack [backup folder] ... repack also copies the names of packages not in the repos; provided you have the .deb files
[12:22] <ubuntu__> wwwi > i have to warn other helpfull users from wasting their energy on u
[12:23] <\9> ah, apt-clone it was indeed
[12:23] <wwwi> ubuntu__: that's because you think something is what you think it is, it doesnt seem it is. i wont respond anymore to these things you are saying
[12:25] <FManTropyx> why must we have drama on a Sunday?
[12:25] <FManTropyx> let's be one big happy Ubuntu-family
[12:26] <\9> wwwi: either way you have your options laid before you: you can 1) wait it out, probably for a very long time, potentially forever, 2) use reisub to tell the computer to reboot or 3) unplug the usb and hope for the best
[12:26] <\9> to me 2) seems like the best option
[12:27] <wwwi> \9 ok, thanks
[12:28] <kernello> MonkeyDust, learning on apt-clone, thank you very much!
[12:30] <NoMiddle_> Hello, how can I find openfortivpn tool for ubuntu?
[12:31] <hellraiser2>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-59-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 4 x AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 630 Processor (AuthenticAMD) @ 800MHz ** RAM: Physical: 5.8GiB, 58.2% free ** Disk: Total: 913.2GiB, 45.7% free ** VGA: NVIDIA Corporation G96 [GeForce 9500 GT] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB1: USB-Audio - HD Pro Webcam C920 ** Ethernet: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. CIe Gigabit
[12:31] <hellraiser2> Ethernet ** Uptime: 6h 6m 40s **
[12:34] <\9> NoMiddle_: https://github.com/adrienverge/openfortivpn google finds it in github
[12:34] <\9> looks like it's not packaged for ubuntu (yet)
[12:36] <NoMiddle_> \9: thanks, I think is ti easy with tutorial on github page.
[12:36] <NoMiddle_> It is
[12:42] <zavorra03> have a nice Sunday
[12:48] <anddam> how do I call back the "Keyboard shortcut" dialog I got on first login?
[12:49] <masoudmahmoudi> hi
[12:50] <masoudmahmoudi> how to use rkhunter ?
[12:50] <lhyx> How do you restart pulse audio on 16.04 ?
[12:51] <blouf> hi, ubuntu 16.10 + file sharing, nautilus hangs strangely seaching for networks - even if smb.conf is okay
[12:51] <wwwi> if keyboard doesnt work, why reisub will work? control alt f1 didnt work, then i tried alt print r to tell the os to remove the focus of the keyboard from the gui and i tried again control alt f1, but nothing happened, so, isnt correct to assume that reisub wont work either?
[12:52] <masoudmahmoudi> for restart pulseaudio service :
[12:52] <masoudmahmoudi> sudo systemctl restart pulseaudio
[12:52] <alias_neo> tatertots: I rudely forgot to thank you for your time and help with the FC/HBA STUFF on Friday so; thank you, it is appreciated
[12:53] <lhyx> masoudmahmoudi, doesn't work. service not found. pulseaudio -k doesn't work either.
[12:53] <blouf> it's ok, just resolved - gvfs
[12:53] <masoudmahmoudi> >:o
[12:55] <masoudmahmoudi>     /usr/bin/lwp-request                                     [ Warning ]
[12:55] <masoudmahmoudi> why ?
[12:59] <avieks> anddam: just push your super key and it will show
[12:59] <avieks> you have to be at desktop also
[13:01] <avieks> no sorry. just keep it pressed for ~2s =)
[13:05] <tatertots> cotin: how goes it?
[13:07] <anddam> avieks: thanks
[13:08] <anddam> btw i just installed, then upgraded available software and I noticed something installed adobe-flashplugin
[13:08] <anddam> now that I definitely don't want, how do I check what pulled it as dependency?
[13:10] <tomreyn> anddam: this lists packages which depend on adobe-flashplugin: apt-cache rdepends adobe-flashplugin
[13:11] <tomreyn> this doesn't mean those are installed, however, you'd need to check their state using: dpkg -l package1 package2 ...
[13:12] <sruli> in lubuntu how do i disable the "suspend" button in shutdown menu?
[13:13] <anddam> tomreyn: mmm I don't have an actual adobe-flashplugin but I have some flashplugin-* package listed, only flashplugin-installer installed
[13:14] <anddam> I figure it's the stub asking for install of flash when needed
[13:14] <anddam> but in the log of Software Update I read actually "adobe-flashplugin"
[13:14] <anddam> that I cannot see in the packages known to dpkg, checked '*adobe*' and '*flash*'
[13:16] <halcyphornphone> hello how to run live cd in text mode
[13:16] <anddam> can I purge nano from the system?
[13:19] <kk4ewt> halcyphornphone,  control-alt f3
[13:19] <MonkeyDust> anddam  what's wrong with nano? it's the most basic text editor
[13:20] <halcyphornphone> i cant nothing work i only see linux logo and nothing work i need know how to do thiis in grub section
[13:20] <tatertots> he's working his way to his next reinstall lol
[13:23] <anddam> MonkeyDust: I hate the guts of it, and whenever it pops up as default editor I try to quit with vim's shotcuts and I end up doing a mess
[13:23] <anddam> I already updated alternatives for vim
[13:24] <anddam> but I'd like to purge it from system, have its executable written on a CD-R and then tied to a pole and physically burned
[13:24] <anddam> unless ubuntu relies on it as system component
[13:24] <smeert> hey guys
[13:24] <smeert> does it matter if i make swap first and then / ?
[13:24] <anddam> smeert: no
[13:25] <MonkeyDust> anddam  try to rename /bin/nano to something else ... see if causes problems
[13:25] <anddam> smeert: wait, did you mean chronologically or block-wise on the disk?
[13:25] <smeert> anddam: wondering, because its much easier to make xxxMb swap and then the rest for root
[13:29] <anddam> I have a "ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad" as reported by geis-tools, "device touches" is 5 but when I touch lightly the pad with a finger and try to scroll with other two the mouse won't move
[13:29] <anddam> is this a software setting of the pad driver?
[13:30] <anddam> if instead of a light touch I click the pad and keep it pressed (so there's definitely contact) I can actually scroll
[13:32] <tomreyn> anddam: if dpkg states that "adobe-flashplugin" is not installed, then it is not installed.
[13:33] <tomreyn> which is "the log of Software Update"?
[13:35] <ioria> tomreyn, you mean /var/log/apt/history.log ?
[13:39] <azizLIGHT> how doi tell where a package came from
[13:39] <azizLIGHT> installed from repo? ppa? compiled from source?
[13:39] <azizLIGHT> how to tell
[13:40] <tomreyn> halcyphornphone: at the first screen with two icons on the bottom, press and hold the left shift key. then press F6, press escape, then edit that line of test so that you remove "quiet" and "splash" and add "text" (and if this doesn't help, in later attempts, add "nomodeset" or "vga=791")
[13:40] <ioria> azizLIGHT, apt-cache policy pkg
[13:40] <tomreyn> ioria: maybe anddam means this, file, i don't know, that's what i was asking
[13:40] <tomreyn> * "this file"
[13:41] <ioria> tomreyn, oh, missed the context
[13:41] <tomreyn> it's been a while ;)
[13:42] <ioria> i see
[13:45] <tomreyn> azizLIGHT: you could review the logs at /var/log/apt/term.log to find out where it was downloaded from. or you can make a good guess by running "apt-cache policy packagename"
[13:45] <tomreyn> (replace packagename by the name of the package you're wondering about)
[13:49] <mascellable> ciaoa
[13:55] <lucas-arg> did any one won the battle of tearing with nvidia on laptops??
[13:59] <halcyphornphone> what problem with nvidia i lost battle with uefi and all drvwers
[14:04] <lucas-arg> some servers like ubuntu.unc.edu.ar are down
[14:04] <lucas-arg> actually the only two servers from argentina are down
[14:05] <lucas-arg> could some one please confirm?
[14:10] <noc_> lucas-arg, that domain returns 404 from italy (so it's working but missing the repository)
[14:11] <noc_> when visited from italy*
[14:12] <noc_> lucas-arg, #ubuntu-mirrors
[14:12] <lucas-arg> noc_, same here thanks
[14:18] <gustavo_> oi
[14:18] <gustavo_> hi
[14:19] <gustavo_> ola
[14:19] <k1l_> hi
[14:20] <wakeup> hello
[14:21] <gustavo_> how are you
[14:23] <emojiking> Hi
[14:23] <gustavo_> oi
[14:23] <gustavo_> hi
[14:23] <gustavo_> how are you
[14:23] <wakeup> how can I switch on compozitor?
[14:23] <wakeup> thanks I'm fine
[14:23] <emojiking> Not much gusta
[14:23] <gustavo_> ubuntu software
[14:23] <xangua> wakeup: what compositor?
[14:23] <gustavo_> why emoji
[14:23] <wakeup> yes, ubuntu 64bit
[14:24] <emojiking> I like to buy mini CNC machine
[14:24] <gustavo_> my interrogation not show
[14:24] <emojiking> But don't know which one
[14:25] <gustavo_> you want help
[14:25] <emojiking> Yes guta
[14:25] <emojiking> Gustavo
[14:25] <wakeup> compositor is a vga function
[14:25] <gustavo_> gusta guga gu gustavo rss
[14:26] <wakeup> need it for the docky
[14:26] <gustavo_> emoji how i can help
[14:26] <emojiking> Any channel for CNC
[14:26] <emojiking> :)
[14:29] <zeshy2> Hi all. Not sure where to start troubleshooting this: emacs (built from source + installed with a created .deb) is uninstalled on reboots. Actually, not on every reboot. Seems it will stay put for a couple days first
[14:29] <Tahr-Poop> wakeup, which compositor do you want to use?
[14:30] <zeshy2> I've checked to see if the package is marked for anything, and it's not. However, I did in the past mark it to not be upgraded (to prevent Ubuntu 'updating' to emacs24)
[14:30] <wakeup> maybe this
[14:30] <wakeup> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositing_window_manager
[14:31] <noc_> zeshy2, check /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/apt/history.log
[14:32] <emojiking> Gustavo_
[14:32] <noc_> zeshy2, search for apt pinning
[14:33] <zeshy2> Alright, thanks. Doing it now
[14:33] <lolwa> help! why i am getting target package notification after command "sudo apt-get update" https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23887249/
[14:33] <lolwa> how to remove it?
[14:34] <k1l_> lolwa: you have the partner repo listed in the orgiginal sources.list and the seperate sources.list.d folder. remove the sperate one
[14:35] <warrshrike> how can i update grub params?
[14:35] <xXEoflaOEXx> It seems that Lubuntu 16.10's ISO have newer SYSLINUX than Rufus provides. From now on, I will download Lubuntu 14.04.5.
[14:35] <lolwa> k1l_ how?
[14:35] <warrshrike> ask the kernel to ignore bios_limit using a kernel parameter via grub namely processor.ignore_ppc=1ask the kernel to ignore bios_limit using a kernel parameter via grub namely processor.ignore_ppc=1
[14:35] <k1l_> lolwa: sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/xenial-partner.list
[14:35] <warrshrike> how can i put this param into grub on ubuntu 16.10
[14:36] <k1l_> !nomodeset  | warrshrike
[14:36] <k1l_> warrshrike: use this how to but dont put nomodeset into the config but your own parameter.
[14:36] <Tahr-Poop> warrshrike, in /etc/default/grub
[14:36] <lolwa> k1l_ : thank u. its gone.
[14:38] <warrshrike> k1l_: like this GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash processor.ignore_ppc=1"?
[14:39] <k1l_> warrshrike: yes
[14:39] <lucas-arg> i have tearing after removing nvidia-367 driver and nvidia-prime with intel gpu
[14:39] <akik> xXEoflaOEXx: can't you use the dd mode in rufus?
[14:42] <xXEoflaOEXx> akik, I do not want to use dd.
[14:42] <akik> xXEoflaOEXx: why?
[14:43] <xXEoflaOEXx> Maybe it creates the partition of iso9660. isn't it?
[14:43] <akik> xXEoflaOEXx: dd mode in rufus doesn't try to modify the written image. it just writes the iso image onto the usb stick
[14:44] <xXEoflaOEXx> akik, Will this mode formats the USB as ISO9660 partition?
[14:45] <akik> xXEoflaOEXx: it takes the iso image you provide to rufus and writes it onto the usb stick
[14:46] <lucas-arg> after removing nvidia driver i have tearing with intel gpu no idea whats going wrong?
[14:46] <xXEoflaOEXx> akik, OK.
[14:47] <akik> xXEoflaOEXx: you mentioned syslinux so this dd mode doesn't care about what is inside of the iso image
[14:47] <kk4ewt> xXEoflaOEXx, think dd as direct copy
[14:48] <akik> lucas-arg: two places which could help with that, /etc/drirc and creating a xorg config snippet in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[14:49] <xXEoflaOEXx> akik, Yes, I mentioned SYSLINUX. I notice one thing that if I put Lubuntu 16.10 ISO and click on Start, it asks me for new SYSLINUX version that I must download it from their website. and does DD mode in Rufus makes the USB bootable in order to install Lubuntu?
[14:49] <Dave114>  identify cheese
[14:49] <akik> xXEoflaOEXx: yes it makes it bootable
[14:50] <xXEoflaOEXx> akik, OK. Thanks for your help!
[14:51] <akik> lucas-arg: the settings are described here under "Tear-free video" https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/intel_graphics
[14:51] <lucas-arg> akik, thanks, i used snapper to create a snapshot of my btrfs just in case i had any problem with installing nvidia driver, and it didnt work either so.........!!!...!
[14:54] <xXEoflaOEXx> akik, but I have one more question, Is DD mode slower than normal mode in Rufus?
[14:54] <akik> xXEoflaOEXx: no
[14:54] <xXEoflaOEXx> akik, OK. Thanks!
[14:56] <lucas-arg> akik, that didnt help, so... chau ubuntu
[14:57] <lucas-arg> will go back to opensuse
[14:57] <anddam> geistest(1) references gesturetest(1) that is nowhere to be found on packages.ubuntu.com
[14:58] <akik> oh well that was quick
[14:58] <akik> it actually helps
[15:06] <kang0> How much space vbr and mbr occupies?
[15:06] <kang0> Is it part of hard disk?
[15:07] <akik> kang0: mbr is 446 bytes
[15:07] <kang0> In any system?
[15:07] <kang0> akik
[15:07] <akik> kang0: well on x86 at least
[15:08] <kang0> Hard disk or cd or usb or dvd?
[15:08] <akik> kang0: i don't know if it's called mbr when talking about cd/dv
[15:08] <akik> dvd
[15:08] <kang0> How many bootloaders can reside at mbr?
[15:11] <stephans_> Hi all, I cannot get snap to work on Ubuntu 16.10. I get the error: - Setup snap "core" (888) security profiles (no state entry for key)
[15:11] <stephans_> I have no idea why..
[15:11] <stephans_> I followed the instruction
[15:11] <stephans_> just apt install snapd
[15:11] <stephans_> nothing wierd on my sys.
[15:13] <stephans_> Anyone have any idea how to make snap actually work?
[15:14] <even> somebody kicked me off the network I am using (Hotel), but I managed to get back on changing my MAC adress. Now I tried an Nmap towards his specific IP, but it just takes forever. Any ideas?
[15:14] <PreventionBeyond> I'm having problems with USB file transfers.
[15:17] <B1nny> Hi folks, I'm playing around a bit with LXD/LXC on Ubuntu Server 16.04.1 LTS, and after creating a container I noticed my config file is located here: /var/log/lxd/cute-leopard/lxc.conf
[15:17] <B1nny> would anyone mind explaining to me why it's located in /var/log? :)
[15:18] <masos> well, I think it depends on the slightest wish of the LXD/LXC devs
[15:19] <B1nny> masos: but, wouldn't /var/lib/lxd/containers/<containername>/lxc.conf or something make more sense?
[15:19] <B1nny> I'd only expect log files in /var/log tbh
[15:19] <masos> ask the LXD/LXC devs
[15:20] <masos> maybe it's configurable, then change it to anything you desire
[15:20] <B1nny> ok :) thanks!
[15:20] <masos> I mean, configurable path to the config (sounds quite recursively)
[15:21] <masos> Is it possible to resize partition with /boot directory to the left without breaking the boot?
[15:21] <masos> I have just run into a problem, I only have empty space to the left of my partition, and it:
[15:21] <masos> 1. Doesn't allow my to resize to the left on-line without rebooting to LiveUSB
[15:21] <masos> 2. Warns that it may break boot when trying to resize from LiveUSB
[15:22] <lakein> how can i delete a specific line number range? e.g: from 5 to 100
[15:22] <mustmodify> brainfart. What's the new 'nslookup' ?
[15:22] <lakein> im trying "sed -e '102533d;105847d' 55.audpl' but it doesn' work
[15:22] <lakein> doesn't*
[15:23] <Tahr-Poop> masos, use boot-repair to fix boot after resizing
[15:23] <lakein> can someone help?
[15:23] <mustmodify> oh, dig. That's right.
[15:23] <mustmodify> nm, thanks. :)
[15:23] <anddam> lakein: can you be clearer?
[15:23] <masos> Tahr-Poop: will it fix it automatically with default settings?
[15:24] <lakein> anddam: of a certain file, i'd like to get rid of the lines 5 to 100
[15:24] <lakein> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2112469/delete-specific-line-numbers-from-a-text-file-using-sed
[15:24] <lakein> sed -e isn't working for me
[15:24] <anddam> lakein: you should suppress patterns for that, also you'd need to print 1-4, 100-end
[15:25] <lakein> oh
[15:25] <anddam> -e is just the expression to be executed
[15:26] <Tahr-Poop> masos, you can define in boot-repair how you want to repair boot
[15:26] <anddam> lakein: I stand corrected, the delete approach is fine
[15:26] <Tahr-Poop> masos, masos, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[15:27] <anddam> lakein: when I said "clearer" I meant you didn't explain what are you getting from your command
[15:27] <masos> Tahr-Poop: I just don't want to break anything
[15:27] <masos> accidentally
[15:27] <lakein> anddam: will "sed -i.bak -e '102533d;127584d' file.txt" get rid of the lines 102533 to 12758d within file.txt, with rest of the other lines remaining intact?
[15:29] <anddam> lakein: no
[15:29] <anddam> lakein: it will get rid of lines 102533 and 127584
[15:29] <lakein> i don't want to extract the lines to some other file
[15:29] <lakein> anddam: ah
[15:30] <anddam> you want to do an in-place sed replace, that isn't recommended (or it used to be)
[15:30] <anddam> but should be fine
[15:30] <anddam> that's what the -i flag does
[15:30] <lakein> how can i get rid of the lines 102533 to 127584?
[15:30] <anddam> the SO answer you linked works
[15:31] <lakein> instead of just deleting these two, i want to delete all that which is in between
[15:31] <lakein> anddam: but that gets rid of only two lines as you now told me, i want to delete lines of a specific range
[15:31] <anddam> lakein: how does the SO answer delete lines 5 through 10?
[15:31] <ioria> lakein,  sed '102533,127584d' filename.txt   not working ?
[15:32] <lakein> iora: without the -e?
[15:32] <lakein> ioria*
[15:32] <ioria> lakein,  -e is default
[15:32] <anddam> ioria: since he linked the solution himself I was trying to make him actually read it
[15:32] <ioria> oh
[15:33] <Mr_Owner> I got a quick question for everyone: I am planning to use UbuntuStudio as my flavor of choice (I do system admin work professionally, so the stuff I add on top of any flavor is pretty standard), but I do music as a hobby. My main concern is that I know not so much about XFCE (what UbuntuStudio uses as a desktop), and I want to be sure that if I use UbuntuStudio (and thus by proxy, XFCE) I am not going to be subject to any of the Unity Search poison nonse
[15:33] <Mr_Owner> that RMS talks about. Is XFCE some kinda of derivitive of Unity or its completely seperate and has no such issue???
[15:33] <ioria> Mr_Owner, xfce is ok
[15:34] <Mr_Owner> thank you! I appreciate greatly the direct and exact answer!
[15:34] <kang0> What's gpt and  partition boot record
[15:34] <lakein> ioria: no
[15:35] <lakein> it doesn't work
[15:35] <ioria> lakein,  weird
[15:35] <lakein> it merely prints out the lines, not delete them
[15:35] <ioria> lakein,  sure, it's a test
[15:35] <anddam> kang0: gpt is GPT, a kind of disk partitioning that uses GUID, but any search engine would tell you that
[15:35] <Mr_Owner> as it works works out ioria, I do not care for the interface of Unity either, but I could live with it, just I want the ‘preconfigured-ness’ of Studio for jackd and all that, and its easier for me to add openssh and git and stuff to it than the other way (though I use Ubuntu GNOME right now and do like it), I can live with XFCE no problem if it means a preconfigured studio environment
[15:36] <needhelp123> Hi there! I'm using Ubuntu Gnome, and trying to set a keyboard shortcut "Shift + Caps Lock" for switching keyboard layouts - which is what I've used for years in Cinnamon on Linux Mint, but when I try to assign that, nothing happens (the "New accelerator" label doesn't change). My Caps Lock and Shift keys work as expected otherwise. Any ideas?
[15:36] <ioria> lakein,  you need -i to modify the file ... make a copy of that file and try it
[15:36] <kang0> anddam I can't search
[15:36] <anddam> lakein: or use the backup options as suggested by the SO answer
[15:36] <kang0> What's guid
[15:37] <anddam> kang0: it's an identifier, a number
[15:37] <Mr_Owner> thank you all, I shall be back later (and thank you ioria too, especially)
[15:38] <ioria> Mr_Owner, ok
[15:38] <anddam> ioria: seems you a new friend
[15:38] <anddam> you got*
[15:38] <ioria> lol
[15:38] <noc_> Mr_Owner, xfce is a separate project, it mainly handles theming and standard desktop stuff being light on resources, everything else should work with any DE. You might be interested in checking out #xfce or #ubuntustudio for future reference
[15:39] <needhelp123> Ahhh found it - "Modifiers-only switch to next source" - it was kinda confusing what "modifiers-only" means.
[15:39] <noc_> e.g. the dev and audio tools are basically independent of the DE
[15:39] <anddam> noc_: also, he had left the channel already
[15:41] <rmasad> Hi
[15:42] <rmasad> I have install Ubuntu by BIOS aside of a Windows installed by UEFI. How can select what OS use don't changing my bios conf?
[15:42] <needhelp123> Also I just wanna say that Ubuntu Gnome is the only distribution that works (for me at least) with a 4K laptop display out of the box (I've tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Ubuntu Mate and none of them worked nicely). So if anyone finds that info useful, there you go.
[15:49] <anddam> rmasad: how's the system booting?
[15:51] <rmasad> @anddam when is legacy actived boot direct Ubuntu. When UEFI actived boot direct Windows
[15:52] <wwwi> hello
[15:52] <wwwi> the pc uncovered on its own
[15:53] <wwwi> i didnt have to do reisub or power off the pc afteralll
[15:53] <wwwi> it was a nice surprise, i really didnt believe that the pc would recover
[15:53] <wwwi> thanks all for the help
[15:54] <FManTropyx> so, choose BIOS to boot Ubuntu and UEFI to boot Windows :)
[15:55] <anddam> rmasad: it doesn't seem a wise setup, install grub-efi and keep ueFI
[15:55] <anddam> is python 3.5 the latest available in ubuntu?
[15:56] <anddam> wwwi: when they are ill they go hide in a corner alone until they heal
[15:58] <wwwi> anddam :)
[15:59] <qtqt> I have a problem with qt applications where you open files. you know  how you get a windows to browse your folders and select the file you need?. as you know these feature bookmarks to the left, but in my case it is loading the bookmark from my old user(which no longer exists) instead of loading the new bookmarks from current user. I have failed to locate whatever file stores this information so it can actually update
[16:04] <graps> Hi all
[16:04] <graps> I know how to purge, then reinstall Libre Office, but is there an easier way to update Libre Office on an Ubuntu desktop install ? Or, any other program/app, to update ?
[16:05] <EriC^^> graps: you don't need to purge the program to update it, just run sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get install <program> and it will update it if there's a newer version
[16:05] <xangua> graps: the LibreOffice PPA, PPAs are not supported here
[16:05] <graps> EriC^^: Thanks !
[16:06] <EriC^^> graps: no problem
[16:06] <graps> xangua: Okay
[16:11] <snowkidind> กนำห ฟืันืำ ้ฟอำ ฟืั ำปยำพรำืแำ ีหรืเ ยฟรก ยพนปรำหฦ
[16:11] <snowkidind> oops
[16:12] <snowkidind> dang. guilty of not looking at screen
[16:12] <snowkidind> does anyone have any experience using paid proxies?
[16:12] <snowkidind> Im leaving the country and want to stream pianobar(pandora) outside of the us
[16:14] <snowkidind> or perhaps i can set up my vpn as a proxy?
[16:17] <Kanov> When I add a directory onto audacious, certain files don't open but they open when I add those files manually. I am getting this error: http://i.imgur.com/4TM2LFB.png
[16:17] <qtqt> so anyone know what's in charge of qt applications file dialog?
[16:18] <Kanov> why is it saying there is no such file?
[16:18] <Kanov> i don't get this error when i add that particular file alone
[16:18] <Kanov> this error only pops up when im mass-adding files
[16:19] <Kanov> anyone?
[16:22] <Tahr-Poop> snowkidind, you should ask this question to your vpn provider afterall you're paying for it
[16:22] <Kanov> Tahr-Poop, can you help me
[16:24] <snowkidind> i haven't chosen one
[16:24] <Tahr-Poop> qtqt, normally filemanager does that, are on using kde?
[16:24] <snowkidind> 1) Not sure who to use 2) not sure if It is easy enough to spool up one on my aws instance
[16:25] <Tahr-Poop> snowkidind, google > route vpn through proxy linux OR use tor+Vidalia
[16:25] <qtqt> im using ubuntu vanilla. the file dialog that comes up depends on what application calls it, if it is gtk or gtk compatible then it brings a gtk dialog if it is a qt applicaiton then it brings a qt dialog, i need to reset the settings for qt dialog
[16:26] <snowkidind> thx Tahr-Poop
[16:29] <noc_> qtqt, no idea, but for gtk it's .config/gtk-3.0/bookmarks so I'd expect it to be something under .config or .local
[16:29] <noc_> for qt as well
[16:34] <masos_> I'm back. (the guy who asked about how to expand ubuntu partition to the left)
[16:35] <masos_> for some reason, it actually worked without repairing; booted okay
[16:44] <anddam> I have a 13" 1080p display so default fonts are a bit tiny, I enabled System Settings > Universal Access > Seeing > Large text option and this made UI and terminal font very readable, firefox wasn't affected tho'
[16:45] <anddam> is this firefox's "fault" for not using system's font settings'
[16:45] <anddam> s/'$/?
[16:45] <qtqt> darn, I've yet to find something relevant
[16:46] <anddam> qtqt: your question wasn't very clear, i figure that's why you didn't get answer
[16:46] <anddam> basically you're seeing "wrong" bookmarks in Qt's file dialog
[16:46] <anddam> but it's unlikely that Qt is able to read info from a deleted user, you did something in the middle (like copying prefs files for instance) but didn't say so
[16:46] <qtqt> well, I meant in general. I've been looking. I just want to delete whatever has the bookmarks so it actually rechecks what i have
[16:47] <anddam> do you have any ~/.qt*  dir?
[16:47] <anddam> if not and qt is a good citizen maybe it's in ~/.config or ~/.local/share
[16:48] <qtqt> the problem is it has to be loading the configuration that was created at the time the user existed, and it keeps loading that after it doesn't exist(though to be fair it only has 2 bookmarks, "computer" and "user")
[16:49] <qtqt> there's no such only .qt folder is called .qttest. when in the dialog i can manually remove and then add my bookmarks, but those changes aren't stored
[16:49] <qtqt> so when I open the application again it goes back to "computer" "user"
[16:49] <anddam> I don't use Qt apps
[16:49] <anddam> can't really help you
[16:50] <noc_> qtqt, .config/QtProject.conf change the field "shortcuts". tested with vlc
[16:51] <Toni0> hi all
[16:52] <qtqt> yes, I found it, I have it, thanks, noc_. Ihad seen the qtproject folder and completely missed to notice the existance of that file at the root of config
[16:59] <soniaa> ?
[16:59] <soniaa> www.icq-net.eu chat for all people !!!
[16:59] <tomreyn> yeay spam
[17:02] <hay> hello... I have xenial installed and would like to install a package from vivid... what is the best method to do it? thanks
[17:03] <EriC^^> hay: download the deb file, and try to install it
[17:05] <hay> EriC^^, I see... thanks!
[17:05] <EriC^^> hay: no problem
[17:07] <GLaDOSDan> Hey there. I'm currently expericing the following bug where the oom-killer decides to start killing my processes when I have more than 16GB of available memory. Is there any way I can temporarily disable the OOM killer until the bug is fixed? Running 16.04 LTS
[17:07] <GLaDOSDan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1655842
[17:09] <l_> Hello
[17:09] <l_> :D
[17:09] <l_> What's up?
[17:09] <geirha> you can boot the previous kernel, at least
[17:09] <l_> What's here?
[17:09] <l_> :D
[17:10] <GLaDOSDan> geirha: I was thinking that as another possibility. Is there any way I can see other available kernels before I reboot?
[17:11] <GLaDOSDan> ah got it
[17:11] <l_> What is kernel good for? I upgraded it to 4.9
[17:13] <l_> Tell meeee
[17:14] <l_> quit
[17:14] <l_> :D
[17:14] <geirha> the kernel really ties the system together
[17:15] <anddam> GLaDOSDan: checked http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/articles/servers-storage-dev/oom-killer-1911807.html '
[17:15] <anddam> ?
[17:15] <anddam> geirha: he left already
[17:16] <adalbert> Hey, what dyndns client can i use on xubuntu, i'm using no-ip.com
[17:18] <Hudsonkem>  hello, i installed onboard on kde plasma but it shows french keyboard layout, how can i change it?
[17:19] <anddam> I installed python3.6 from 16.10 universe, now I stays there with python3.5 that is the actual python3
[17:19] <Tahr-Poop> adalbert, ddclient
[17:19] <anddam> how's python/python3 selection managed, given it's not via the alternatives system?
[17:21] <SchrodingersScat> adalbert: 2nding ddclient, I have it working with my namecheap account and it's pretty snazzy.
[17:22] <SchrodingersScat> anddam: they also seem to recommend inadyn
[17:23] <Hudsonkem>  hello, i installed onboard{virtual keyboard }on kde plasma but it shows french keyboard layout, how can i change it?
[17:23] <SchrodingersScat> oops, sorry anddam
[17:23] <anddam> SchrodingersScat: np, I figured it was adalbert's
[17:25] <rahul> hey
[17:27] <adalbert> oke thnx, trying ddclient
[17:29] <GLaDOSDan> anddam: Cheers for that. I figured just booting into 4.4.0-57 for the time being was an easier option though :) all good now hopefully
[17:31] <jayjo> my installation went bust. I have a live usb, but I need to copy over my data. Once I put the live USB in I alreayd don't have that option. Any ideas?
[17:31] <jayjo> How do I copy this dat over ?
[17:31] <jayjo> I have several hard drives, so I could install this installaiton on a separate one and recover later. Is that the best idea?
[17:32] <enoch85> hey guys, I've been told that dc3dd is better than dd when zeroing out drives to relcaim unused space. What I want to acchive is that dc3dd stops when there is about 5% space left on the device. Now, how do I do that?
[17:32] <anddam> enoch85: you can estimate the amount of dd'ing you need to do using df
[17:32] <anddam> and bc
[17:32] <akik> jayjo: boot the live usb, then mount your disk and copy the data over
[17:32] <anddam> or some shell math
[17:33] <freakyy> hi all. i have ubuntu installed, and ubuntu-budgie-remix and i want to upgrade to the latest alpha2 of 17.04 on my laptop for testing ... how can i do that? if i was previously using ubuntu budgie-remix?
[17:33] <jayjo> akik: so this would be "Something else" on the installation type? Or this is before that and I should've "tried ubuntu without installing". Very cautious here, the data is valuable
[17:34] <freakyy> i was using budgie-remix-ubuntu-ppa-yakkety.list
[17:34] <enoch85> anddam, but if I want to script this action? Then I can't  tell how much is left... I'm running VMware with Ubuntu guests as thin provisioned and this is starting to become an issue as thin drives doesn't shrink when you delete files
[17:34] <akik> jayjo: yes, select try ubuntu without installing. it doesn't modify your pre-existing installation
[17:34] <anddam> enoch85: use a nice combination of little programs and get your number in advance
[17:35] <anddam> can I have python 3.6 as default python3 in place of python 3.5 in 16.10?
[17:35] <anddam> I already installed the package from universe
[17:35] <enoch85> anddam, any suggestion? have you done this before?
[17:35] <anddam> simple math in shell? yes
[17:36] <jayjo> OK without installing I can mount the drives and see everything there. On the linux filesystem, should i just copy everything under / ? Will this allow me to install and then copy this data over and maintain the system as it was?
[17:37] <jayjo> Or is that just not going to happen. Do I need to only copy vitals?
[17:37] <BluesKaj> freakyy, budgie desktop on 17.04 alpha 2 would be quite "edgy" IMO ..needs some research
[17:37] <anddam> jayjo: I'd rather only keep data and config
[17:37] <akik> jayjo: make a copy of your valuable files on some other disk so that when you reinstall, your files won't be lost
[17:38] <freakyy> no im running ubuntu 16.10 with budgie remix. what i now wanna do is upgrade this to ubuntu budgie 17.04 alpha2 ... how can i do it? :)
[17:39] <xangua> !17.04 | freakyy
[17:39] <freakyy> thanks
[17:39] <jayjo> so really just my /home/user directory?
[17:39] <akik> jayjo: we can not know where you store your files
[17:40] <jayjo> Sure, but I'm asking more if I can actually have the machine maintain my configuration when I reinstall the OS. If that's not a thing I can do, then I would really only be able to copy over my home directory, right?
[17:40] <yukki> :V
[17:41] <yukki> hola? :u
[17:42] <akik> jayjo: i didn't really understand but you can copy everything from your installation when you're in the live usb
[17:42] <jayjo> but I won't jsut be copying everything from / , right? including /bin, /boot, /dev, /etc, and then just replacing on the new installation, right?
[17:43] <jayjo> Alright this is still much better than I was expecting. I'll just take the home dir and move on from there
[17:45] <noc_> enoch85, "thin drives doesn't shrink when you delete files" make sure the filesystem is mounted with the discard mount option (or use fstrim to do it in a one-time shot) and that the block devices through the stack support trim/discard, which dm-thin does IIRC
[17:46] <noc_> including TRIM support at the vmware level for the virtual disk image
[17:47] <noc_> or if on an ext4 fs, look into zerofree
[17:47] <enoch85> noc_, thanks! how do I know if it's mounted with a discard mount option?
[17:47] <enoch85> noc_, it's LVM
[17:47] <enoch85> ext4
[17:48] <noc_> I have no idea about the LVM and the vmware support for discard. You have to make sure it's supported at all layers of the block device stack
[17:48] <noc_> The mount option should appear in /proc/mounts, if not then a mount -oremount,discard should do the job
[17:49] <enoch85> noc_, so add discard in fstab?
[17:49] <noc_> yes
[17:49] <noc_> files deleted AFTER enabling discard are free'd. To free space deleted BEFORE the discard you have to use fstrim
[17:50] <precise> Hey yall, so I checked in Gnome Disk Utility the other day, and it said my HDD was healthy, but had 8 bad sectors. / is mounted on my m.2 SSD, but the /home is on my HDD. I do have extensive backups so no need to worry about that. Now to the point: I didn't get any sort of notification that my disk was not in tip-top shape, is there anyway to set that up to see if my disk gets worse? I was thinking a Cron
[17:50] <precise> to read SMART value on login, but I feel like I would be reinventing the wheel there. Any thoughts?
[17:50] <enoch85> noc_, ok, so I ran fstrim -a /dev/sdb1 with no sucess
[17:51] <noc_> fstrim wants the mountpoint
[17:51] <enoch85> where sdb1 is the drive I want to trim
[17:51] <jayjo> I am struggling to copy this directory though - there is no space on the LIVE USB to save it to the desktop and upload to dropbox or something, and the connected drives are all read-only
[17:51] <enoch85> ok, so how do I find that for a drive noc_
[17:51] <enoch85> ?
[17:51] <noc_> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt    then do the fstrim on /mnt
[17:52] <enoch85> aah
[17:52] <enoch85> and then unmount it?
[17:52] <akik> jayjo: you can change permissions on the other disks so that you can write to them
[17:53] <noc_> yes
[17:53] <enoch85> ok, thanks! will try
[17:53] <noc_> yw
[17:54] <akik> jayjo: so if you see your other disk in /media/username/disk, you can then run "sudo mkdir /media/username/disk/backup; sudo chown $USER /media/username/disk/backup"
[17:54] <enoch85> can I do this on a running live system without anything is affected?
[17:54] <enoch85> noc_,
[17:55] <noc_> ymmv, I've done it on my laptop, never on a production server
[17:55] <enoch85> noc_, I get this fstrim: /mnt: the discard operation is not supported
[17:56] <vijayanand> Hi, I'm new to Ubuntu. I've been using 14.04 for 5 months without updating. Since using this computer (came with Ubuntu installed), every time I tried to update the software, something went wrong and the comp crashed. My software center stopped working recently so I am attempting to update my software again, but I am worried that my computer will crash again.
[17:56] <enoch85> and I have HDDs noc_
[17:56] <enoch85> not SSDs noc_
[17:56] <precise> Anyone?
[17:57] <noc_> ok, then you have to fallback to zeroing the device and hoping LVM/VMware/etc support shrinking the disk images on zeroed space
[17:58] <noc_> the former can be done with zerofree for ext4 or dd'ing /dev/zero into a temporaey file until you run out of space on the ext4, that you then delete afterwards
[17:59] <vijayanand> I've been updating for the past few minutes and it just said something failed
[17:59] <noc_> on the latter, I don't know
[17:59] <vijayanand> and this: This likely means that your installation is broken.
[17:59] <vijayanand> Try running the command
[17:59] <vijayanand>   gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
[17:59] <vijayanand> to make things work again for the time being.
[17:59] <enoch85> noc_, thanks!
[17:59] <enoch85> noc_, so zerofree /dev/sdb1 ?
[18:00] <enoch85> aah it's mounted rw, can only be done on r mounted drives it seems
[18:00] <noc_> I don't remember the syntax, last time I used it was ages ago in combo with virtualbox
[18:01] <enoch85> noc_, you think I can mount the drive as ro and then run zerofree on the ro mount and then unmount it?
[18:01] <noc_> try it and see
[18:01] <akik> jayjo: the default for the hard disk mounts is read/write, it's just the permissions that might make things difficult
[18:05] <vijayanand> While updating Ubuntu, this notice comes A new version of configuration file /etc/default/grub is available, but   │
[18:05] <vijayanand>  │ the version installed currently has been locally modified.  Should I keep the local version or install the package maintainers version?
[18:05] <jeffreylevesque> I'm writing some security hardening stigs, right now tfor ubuntu 14.04
[18:05] <jeffreylevesque> if anyone is willing to help out, that would be cool - https://github.com/jeff1evesque/cis-benchmark
[18:06] <akik> jeffreylevesque: uk government agency had that kind of document
[18:06] <jeffreylevesque> i'm writing puppet scripts
[18:06] <Vitriolic> Hello, everyone.
[18:07] <Vitriolic> I have a few minor issues in Hexchat, I'm sort of new to Ubuntu. If anyone could help me, maybe in private, that would be awesome. Thank you.
[18:07] <jeffreylevesque> each puppet environment will have default scripts preloaded
[18:08] <noc_> enoch85, gotta go, good luck
[18:08] <jeffreylevesque> however, they can be overriden by a corresponding hiera file, if they are named by the certname of the host
[18:08] <noc_> vijayanand, if you edited that file manually then you want to keep the local version
[18:08] <jeffreylevesque> trusty64.yaml, will contain baseline scripts
[18:09] <noc_> otherwise pastebin them and let the chan see the difference
[18:09] <akik> jeffreylevesque: well if you want to take a look: https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/guidance/eud-security-guidance-ubuntu-1604-lts
[18:09] <jeffreylevesque> but, if you have a host with a certname by blah.blah.org, you can create blah.blah.org.yaml
[18:09] <jeffreylevesque> and that will override the trusty64.yaml
[18:10] <jeffreylevesque> akik: that doesn't look like puppet scripts
[18:10] <akik> jeffreylevesque: no, it talks about ubuntu and security
[18:11] <jeffreylevesque> oh ok
[18:11] <jeffreylevesque> i'm currently using https://github.com/jeff1evesque/machine-learning/files/629747/CIS_Ubuntu_Linux_14.04_LTS_Benchmark_v2.0.0.pdf
[18:11] <jeffreylevesque> as a benchmark
[18:12] <jeffreylevesque> its like 283 pages of explanation
[18:12] <jeffreylevesque> but, i just skip to the remediation portion really
[18:13] <jeffreylevesque> anyways, i'm going to be writing puppet scripts to harden ubuntu 14.04
[18:13] <jeffreylevesque> if anyone has free time, would be cool to get this done faster
[18:20] <odigem> HI
[18:20] <odigem> how to disable grouping windows?
[18:31] <rajivmars> i have just install ubuntu 16.04.1. i can't the plymouthe screen during the boot? how do i recover my plymouth screen back?
[18:31] <rajivmars>  i have just install ubuntu 16.04.1. i can't see the plymouthe screen during the boot? how do i recover my plymouth screen back?
[18:32] <Apachez> is it possible to load filesystem.squashfs from the ubuntu 16.10 livecd into a ramdisk through pxeboot (and by that avoid the use of nfs)?
[18:34] <Bashing-om> Apachez: Maybe this ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot <-Ubuntu ISOs are designed to allow booting directly from the hard drive using GRUB 2 and eliminates the need for burning a CD/DVD.
[18:37] <deadmund> Anybody have a link to official ubuntu documentation about how to install a custom shutdown / reboot script?  I have the script, but I don't know how to insert it into /etc/rc.d anymore :(
[18:38] <Apachez> Bashing-om: sort of, but I involve pxe booting
[18:38] <Apachez> running ubuntu 16.10 livecd through pxeboot with nfs works
[18:38] <Apachez> however I want to avoid the use of nfs and load the filesystem.squashfs into some ramdisk or such
[18:38] <Apachez> but I dunno about the syntax of the pxelinux.cfg/default file to do so
[18:38] <Apachez> and if this even is possible
[18:39] <Apachez> some sources claims there might be a "fetch=" kernel parameter but first attempt failed
[18:39] <Bashing-om> Apachez: Out of my experience range also . But it is 'buntu ; all things are possible .
[18:40] <Apachez> hence why I ask in #ubuntu :)
[18:42] <deadmund> Anybody have a link to official ubuntu documentation about how to install a custom shutdown / reboot script? I have the script, but I don't know how to insert it into /etc/rc.d anymore :(
[18:43]  * eelstrebor doesn't understand why some people can send e-mail to his account and others can't -  running postfix on ubuntu 16.04 - syslog doesn't even see any incoming e-mail from these organizations so the problem can't be with my setup
[18:44] <fresheyeball> hey folks
[18:44] <fresheyeball> so I managed to badly mess up my laptop
[18:45] <ioria> deadmund, it's /etc/rc6.d i guess
[18:45] <fresheyeball> I have ubuntu 16.04 installed on a macbook pro
[18:45] <deadmund> lord4163_: Yeah, I guess.  Can I just link it there?  Do need it to be in /etc/init.d/  do I need to use update-rc.d  ?
[18:45] <fresheyeball> and made the mistake of trying to install video drivers
[18:45] <fresheyeball> now I get a black screen when I start the computer
[18:46] <ioria> deadmund, nope, you have to give it max priority iirc
[18:46] <fresheyeball> I get the ubuntu loader, and then it goes to black right when the login screen should be there
[18:46] <deadmund> ioria: You mean naming it K01  ?
[18:46] <ioria> deadmund, yup
[18:46] <fresheyeball> if I smash ctrl+alt+f1 I can get to tty before the black screen
[18:46] <fresheyeball> and from there I can run `sudo restart lightdm`
[18:46] <fresheyeball> and I get a gui!
[18:46] <deadmund> that is, K01scriptname
[18:46] <deadmund> ioria: thanks!
[18:46] <fresheyeball> but the windows are surrounded by giant black boxes
[18:46] <fresheyeball> no decoration
[18:47] <ioria> deadmund, good luck
[18:47] <fresheyeball> I've apt-get purged nvidia everything
[18:47] <fresheyeball> and done my best to reverse the commands I ran
[18:47] <fresheyeball> but it makes no change
[18:47] <fresheyeball> I'm on the verge of re-installing the OS and starting over
[18:47] <fresheyeball> anyone have any ideas?
[18:53] <Bashing-om> fresheyeball: What method did you use to initially install the proprietary driver ?
[18:54] <fresheyeball> Bashing-om: apt-get
[18:55] <Bashing-om> fresheyeball: Show us in a pastebin ' sudo lshw -C display ' ; so we know the hardware and if a driver is presently installed .
[18:56] <fresheyeball> ok
[18:56] <FManTropyx> it seems that my Ubuntu does not have an ssh daemon
[18:58] <FManTropyx> Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) but I shall proceed to ignore it like before
[18:59] <FManTropyx> I am finally starting to get used to installing a package automatically starting it to run
[18:59] <fresheyeball> Bashing-om: http://fresheyeball.com/16111556_10154941069675365_757701978_n.jpg
[18:59] <fresheyeball> I can't copy paste
[18:59] <fresheyeball> so I took a picture
[19:02] <Bashing-om> fresheyeball: Intel chip set. sorry out of my experience range . No experience with Intel .
[19:02] <ioria> fresheyeball, could be easier for you (if you get to the login screen)  install fluxbox, so you'll have a gui
[19:03] <rajivmars> how to install xapian in ubutnu 16.04
[19:04] <Bashing-om> !info xapian xenial
[19:04] <rajivmars> then how do i get it
[19:06] <fresheyeball> Bashing-om: its a macbook pro
[19:06] <fresheyeball> ioria: I can get to the login screen and get a gui
[19:06] <fresheyeball> its just broken
[19:06] <freakyy> hey all. how can i remove this bottom bar from ubuntu budgie?
[19:07] <ioria> fresheyeball, a working one, i meant
[19:07] <Bashing-om> !info xapian-tools xenial
[19:07] <thahir> which is the best html editor tool for ubuntu
[19:08] <ioria> thalin, you can try bluefish
[19:09] <k1l_> !info xapian-tools
[19:09] <k1l_> but he is gone anyway...
[19:11] <Bashing-om> raj: k1l_ Seems lately we have a rash of impatience ... always wanting instant gratification :(
[19:12] <k1l_> Bashing-om: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:13] <soee_> is there some list of packages updates that will come with 16.04.2 ?
[19:14] <k1l_> soee_: its not new features (besides new kernel and xorg) but just all packages are uptodate with the security and bugfix updates. its like a servicepack on windows.
[19:15] <soee_> yes, and that is what im most interested with, kernel, mesa etc.
[19:16] <k1l_> soee_: its the 16.10 backports
[19:16] <Bashing-om> soee_: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux/ ??
[19:26] <Guy1524> where can I get an ubuntu iso with the most up to date version of unity to test it in a vm
[19:27] <k1l_> Guy1524: use 17.04 alpha 2
[19:27] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> hi?
[19:27] <k1l_> Guy1524: but that is still alpha, so expect issues
[19:28] <k1l_> Guy1524: else, try 16.10
[19:28] <N4zguL> hi
[19:28] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> well i'm a newbie so sorry for my stupid questions
[19:28] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> here i go
[19:28] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> i installed irssi (I'm using it now) but I have the version 0.15
[19:28] <Guy1524> ok, thx
[19:28] <k1l_> SaltyKawaiiNeko: which ubuntu do you use?
[19:28] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> i wanted the version 0.18 to use the SASL login
[19:29] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> i tried sudo apt-get update and upgrade but it says i have the newer version...
[19:29] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> other packages doesn't seem to be updating too...
[19:30] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> it looks like i can't update packages in general
[19:30] <hggdh> SaltyKawaiiNeko: again, what is your Ubuntu version?
[19:31] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> i'm not sure...
[19:32] <Bashing-om> !info irssi trusty | SaltyKawaiiNeko
[19:32] <k1l_> SaltyKawaiiNeko: "lsb_release -sd" in terminal will show you
[19:35] <michal__> Hello :)
[19:35] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> 14.04.5 LTS
[19:35] <N4zguL> cześć
[19:36] <k1l_> SaltyKawaiiNeko: trusty (14.04) will always ship only 0.8.15 in the repos. it will have security and bugfixes backported but it will not increase the version
[19:36] <k1l_> !cz | N4zguL
[19:37] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> so i can't get the last version of irssi, right?
[19:37] <k1l_> SaltyKawaiiNeko: you can, but not from the official ubuntu repos
[19:37] <N4zguL> Cześć like's mean Hi in Polish language :)
[19:37] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> well that's sad
[19:37] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> i can't upgrade the distro in this computer...
[19:38] <Bashing-om> SaltyKawaiiNeko: Well, there are ways .. talk to the good folks in the #irssi channel - not supported in this channel !. OR install 16.04 .
[19:38] <k1l_> !ppa | SaltyKawaiiNeko
[19:39] <k1l_> SaltyKawaiiNeko: look if one ppa in here ships the version you want: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=irssi
[19:40] <ioria> https://launchpad.net/~bnrubin/+archive/ubuntu/irssi   is 8.20
[19:40] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> ok now i have to figure out how to add the PPA and update from there
[19:40] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> funny
[19:40] <Bashing-om> SaltyKawaiiNeko: ^^ " sysop@x1604:~$ irssi --version >> irssi 0.8.19 (20160323 0008) " .
[19:41] <michal__> you do it like so sudo add-apt-repository ppa:<ppa_name>
[19:42] <k1l_> SaltyKawaiiNeko: well, ubuntu got a stable release system. that is not a secret. and you are on the ubuntu from 2014. and that is the matching irssi version. if you want newer packages upgrade to 16.04 or use PPAs or other repos.
[19:42] <michal__> also i found for you nice gui way http://askubuntu.com/questions/4983/what-are-ppas-and-how-do-i-use-them
[19:45] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> i can't copy the link you provided to add the PPA
[19:45] <Guest49687> hello please help
[19:45] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> yeah no mouse, i forgot
[19:45] <Guest49687> i am try to run sudo but when i type in my password it doesnt show up?!?!
[19:45] <wedgie> Guest49687: passwords are purposely hidden
[19:46] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> that is normal, just type your password and press ENTER
[19:46] <Guest49687> wedgie: what do you mean?
[19:46] <k1l_> Guest49687: it will never show the password. just type in blind
[19:46] <wedgie> Guest49687: just type it and press enter. You won't see it on the screen but it'll work anyway
[19:46] <Guest49687> k1l_: i type in 'blind' and it says wrong password
[19:46] <k1l_> Guest49687: then its the wrong passwort
[19:46] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> then you are typing it wrong, I'm afraid :P
[19:46] <b0bby__> Hey
[19:47] <k1l_> Guest49687: use the same password you use to login on that machine
[19:47] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> i know that i could add the PPA and update irssi, but...
[19:47] <Guest49687> can i delete sudo - is very annoying?
[19:47] <b0bby__> How do I run a start up script(python3)
[19:47] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> should i?
[19:47] <wedgie> Guest49687: you could... but i wouldn't recommend it.
[19:47] <k1l_> Guest49687: ubuntu is build to use sudo.
[19:47] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> i mean, if i can't update it with the main repositories is because a good reason, i suppose
[19:47] <ioria> SaltyKawaiiNeko, you can use mouse in console with gpm
[19:48] <koffeinfriedhof> Guest49687: You could...but then you've got some strange behaviours. Keep a live-usb next to you :)
[19:48] <k1l_> SaltyKawaiiNeko: is there something that doesnt work on that irssi version?
[19:48] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> yes the SASL login
[19:48] <Guest49687> can i install jraphical interface in terminal?
[19:48] <Guest49687> i dont like it
[19:48] <Bashing-om> SaltyKawaiiNeko: Several means to upgrade irssi . talk to the people in #irssi to explore your options .
[19:48] <pippasam1> how do earth rotate?
[19:49] <koffeinfriedhof> Guest49687: What Ubuntu do you use?
[19:49] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> i don't want to break anything so i don't know if trying to update it adding a PPA is a good idea. this computer is not mine, technically... so i shoulnd't break anything
[19:49] <Guest49687> koffeinfriedhof: red hat ubuntu
[19:49] <koffeinfriedhof> red hat ubuntu?
[19:49] <Guest49687> yes
[19:49] <wedgie> my favorite version.
[19:49] <ioria> SaltyKawaiiNeko, install a virtual machine
[19:50] <k1l_> Guest49687: stop trolling
[19:50] <Guest49687> oh well - it was fun while it lasted
[19:50] <Guest49687> how you guys doing in here?
[19:50] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> that's a nice idea, actually
[19:50] <pippasam1> help my red hat ubuntu is broken
[19:50] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> thank you, ioria
[19:50] <hggdh> Guest49687: please be aware this is not a chat channel, and trolling is not acceptable here
[19:50] <koffeinfriedhof> Guest49687: RHUbuntu? Well, theres no graphical interface at all, sorry.
[19:51] <ioria> SaltyKawaiiNeko, you'rewelcm
[19:51] <Guest49687> hggdh: id certainly think that 'trolling' is not acceptable anywhere
[19:51] <hggdh> Guest49687: soplease stop.
[19:51] <Guest49687> i have stopped
[19:53] <b0bby__> Can I get some Help?
[19:53] <MonkeyDust_> b0bby__  start with a question
[19:53] <b0bby__> How do I run a start up script(python3)
[19:55] <b0bby__> MonkeyDust: any ideas?
[19:57] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> well i learned a lot today, thank you very much for your time. i love ubuntu, it is very user friendly, more than i thought <3
[19:57] <koffeinfriedhof> b0bby__: python3 /path/to/script.py
[19:58] <MonkeyDust_> b0bby__  if you don't get an answer here, ask in #python
[19:58] <b0bby__> koffeinfriedhof: Its a startup script(so thats a ubuntu question)
[19:59] <ioria> b0bby__, taken from where ?
[19:59] <koffeinfriedhof> b0bby__: /usr/bin/python3 /path/to/script.py in cron, .profile, autostart of your desktop environment...
[19:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[19:59] <ioria> b0bby__, oh, you mean Autostart ?
[20:00] <b0bby__> koffeinfriedhof: I would prefer if it was a service script that can start as root during boot
[20:00] <koffeinfriedhof> b0bby__: then use a systemd-service-unit if you are under 16.04 or 16.10
[20:05] <OerHeks> if the writer of that script does not give information how to run during boot, are you sure it can properly?
[20:06] <waterdrop> Hi, I'm running free -m on a Ubuntu system and the available column does not show up for some reason
[20:06] <wedgie> waterdrop: pastebin the output?
[20:07] <waterdrop> wedgie: http://pastebin.com/7NtAgjzN
[20:07] <waterdrop> htop shows 8.2 GB of memory used while top shows 35.7 GB of memory used..
[20:08] <wedgie> waterdrop: also, fwiw, the columns i get match yours
[20:09] <OerHeks> second line under free should be 'available'
[20:09] <k1l_> waterdrop: what ubuntu is that exactly?
[20:09] <OerHeks> enlarge your terminal perhaps?
[20:09] <waterdrop> OerHeks: Oh I see
[20:10] <waterdrop> OerHeks: No, enlarging the terminal still does not show the available column
 waterdrop: what ubuntu is that exactly?
[20:10] <waterdrop> k1l_: Oh, sorry. It's Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[20:11] <waterdrop> An amazon EC2 instance if that matters
[20:11] <k1l_> yeah, the output you want to have is on newer versions. not 14.04
[20:11] <waterdrop> It looks like the second column under free does agree with the amount of memory htop says I'm using
[20:11] <k1l_> on that version you need to calculate yourself.
[20:11] <waterdrop> k1l_: What number should I use to calculate myself?
[20:12] <waterdrop> k1l_: Do you know if the second number under free is the right amount of available memory?
[20:12] <k1l_> waterdrop: the "available" collumn is on the newer versions.
[20:12] <k1l_> waterdrop: yes it is
[20:12] <waterdrop> Oh okay
[20:12] <ioria> waterdrop, there is no 'available' column' on trusty desktop
[20:12] <k1l_> linuxatemyram.com explains very good what is what
[20:13] <ioria> waterdrop, grep MemTotal: /proc/meminfo
[20:13] <waterdrop> k1l_: Ok. So in the pastebin I posted, I have 56.9 GB of available RAM?
[20:13] <waterdrop> And the "available" number is the number that matters right (when determining whether my applications have enough RAM)
[20:14] <ioria> waterdrop, or sudo dmidecode --type 17
[20:14] <waterdrop> ioria: grep MemTotal: /proc/meminfo returns 65 GB
[20:14] <k1l_> waterdrop: on that vservers/cloud the amount the system sees and the system can use can be 2 pair of shoes. i guess the hoster can tell you exact specifics there
[20:15] <waterdrop> I see
[20:15] <waterdrop> Hmm, any idea whether top or htop would be a more accurate indicator of how much memory my applications have available? Or are both unreliable?
[20:15] <k1l_> waterdrop: but yes, on that paste i would say its  64/65GB and 56/57Gb free as in available
[20:15] <ioria> waterdrop,  sudo dmidecode --type 17 | grep Size   to confirm
[20:16] <k1l_> *64/65 in total
[20:16] <waterdrop> k1l_: Okay got it. And the available amount is the amount available to my applications, right? Sorry if that's a silly question.
[20:16] <waterdrop> ioria: sudo dmidecode —type 17 | grep Size returns about 16 GB
[20:16] <ioria> oh
[20:16] <waterdrop> which is different from the available amount according to free -m
[20:18] <ioria> waterdrop,  you need to sum the lines ...
[20:18] <k1l_> waterdrop: linuxatemyram.com explains very good what caches and buffers and free means on that table.
[20:18] <ioria> waterdrop,  it outputs just one line ?
[20:18] <waterdrop> ioria: Oh, but then that's just my total RAM, not the amount available
[20:19] <ioria> waterdrop,  sure
[20:19] <waterdrop> ioria: Ya I know my total RAM, just trying to confirm the amount available
[20:19] <ioria> waterdrop,  grep MemAvailable: /proc/meminfo
[20:20] <waterdrop> that line doesn't print any output
[20:21] <cybex_> hi all, Unable to locate package lm_sensors. What  do you guys think of this? running Xenial (Gnome 16.04) amd64
[20:21] <waterdrop> ioria: grep MemAvailable: /proc/meminfo doesn't print any output to the terminal for me
[20:21] <k1l_> cybex_: universe enabled?
[20:21] <ioria> waterdrop,  cat /proc/meminfo   and check the first 3 lines
[20:22] <waterdrop> MemTotal: 65 GB, MemFree: 16 GB, Buffers: some small number, Cached: 40 GB
[20:23] <waterdrop> ioria: Available would be MemFree + Cached, right?
[20:23] <ioria> waterdrop,  weird, i have MemAvailable ...
[20:23] <wedgie> ioria: you're probably not on 14.04
[20:24] <ioria> wedgie, i'am
[20:24] <wedgie> weird. I am too and I do not have MemAvailable
[20:24] <ioria> wedgie, Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS \n \l
[20:25] <wedgie> ditto... what kernel?
[20:25] <surfr1> any opinions of what the best irc client is for ubuntu and why?
[20:25] <ioria> wedgie, hwe 4.4.0-59-generic
[20:25] <Guy1524> how to I get a nightly build of ubuntu 17.04
[20:25] <wedgie> ah, i've got the older 3.13. Guess i should update that at some point. But I guess that could account for the difference
[20:26] <ioria> wedgie, i see
[20:26] <wedgie> waterdrop: update your hardware enablement stack and you'll probably get MemAvailable :P
[20:26] <k1l_> surfr1: the best is the one you can work with best :) so test the regular ones yourself or ask in #ubuntu-offtopic for what people use and why
[20:27] <pavlos> Guy1524, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:27] <Guy1524> thx
[20:27] <waterdrop> wedgie: Yeah I can't do that haha
[20:27] <k1l_> Guy1524: from the topic of #ubuntu+1 Daily builds: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:27] <Bashing-om> surfr1: Purely a personal thing . Me I prefer irssi . Terminal based - fast - light - and configurable and great addon support base .
[20:27] <cybex_> hi all, apologies if I missed a response for me, had a ... kernel panic. regarding the ' Unable to locate package "lm_sensors" ' for Xenial X amd64? any thoughts on this?
[20:27] <waterdrop> But I think available should be free + cached? That's what http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ says "available memory (or free + buffers/cache..)
[20:28] <waterdrop> So I'm assuming it's accurate for my system too
 cybex_: universe enabled?
[20:28] <cybex_> let me have a look, it should be
[20:29] <Bashing-om> !info lm-sensors xenial
[20:29] <k1l_> !info lm-sensors xenial
[20:29] <ioria> waterdrop,  yes
[20:29] <cybex_> k1l_ yes, universe is enabled
[20:29] <k1l_> cybex_: and use a - not a _
[20:29] <ioria> waterdrop,  plus au moins
[20:30] <cybex_> I feel like an idiot, thanks for that
[20:30] <cybex_> It really looked like _ xD
[20:30] <k1l_> no problem :)
[20:30] <waterdrop> ioria: okay, great. thanks.
[20:30] <ioria> waterdrop,  no prob
[20:30] <Guy1524> is it possible to try out unity 8 on the live usb
[20:31] <cybex_> also, on the subject of sensors, etc. How do you guys feel about conky as a "system monitor", I prefer gnome ext : system-monitor. which is...beter?
[20:31] <xangua> Guy1524: 16.10 comes with a unity 8 preview session
[20:31] <cybex_> I know conky does not  actually monitor the system, but the use of it
[20:32] <Guy1524> i just want to test thru v
[20:32] <Guy1524> *vm
[20:32] <xangua> cybex_: depends what desktop you use, but conky doesn't really depends on any desktop
[20:32] <k1l_> cybex_: i prefer an indicator in the panel. i dont have any desktop clear to let conky showing on there.
[20:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Guy1524, ok go to http://omgubuntu.co.uk they have a blog post about the 17.04  alpha  2.  with a download link for flavours to I think,  there isn't much to test right now anyway,  it will mostlly look and work like 16.10 for everything
[20:33] <cybex_> k1l_ as a fellow developer (hope I didn't assume incorrectly), I feel you on this. That is why I prefer the panel "version"
[20:33] <cybex_> but thanks for the feedback
[20:34] <Guy1524> SebthreeBQM10HD: I downloaded the 17.04 daily build, but on the live session I cant log out and boot into unity 8
[20:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Guy1524, ubuntu isn't even in 17.04 alpha 2.  ther ewon't be an ubuntu untill beta 2.  also your whole question would be more suitable in #ubuntu+1  since its to do with the upcoming currently in development release, slo yes off topic here
[20:34] <Guy1524> nvm figured it out
[20:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Guy1524, Unity  8 won't do much by default on the desktlop as well, but there are ways to add in snaps et
[20:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> etc
[20:35] <Guy1524> anyone know the username and password of the live session user?
[20:35] <Guy1524> found it
[20:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ubuntu ?
[20:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> live ?
[20:36] <ioria> Guy1524, Ubuntu and no passwd
[20:36] <Guy1524> k, thx
[20:36] <ioria> np
[20:38] <Guy1524> Im in unity 8 now, but there is this weird scopes window
[20:38] <Guy1524> I thought they had a side panel now
[20:38] <xangua> Guy1524: you have been told several times to take this to #ubuntu+1
[20:39] <Guy1524> oh, ok
[20:39] <Guy1524> sorry
[20:39] <Guy1524> cya
[20:39] <taliho> test
[21:01] <TheNH813> The Ubuntu installer crashes at trying to install grub. Is it because /dev/sda throuch /dev/sdc can't have a bootloader installed (It's a MDADM array)?
[21:02] <TheNH813> Because / is on /dev/sdd4
[21:05] <TheNH813> Nevermind, I'l just pull the power on those drives and try again.
[21:05] <TheNH813> Will the installer mess up if you hotswap drives before installing?
[21:06] <crzyp3ck> hi
[21:06] <crzyp3ck> does ubuntu have true i686 image?
[21:06] <OerHeks> Not many hardware supports hotswap iirc
[21:07] <TheNH813> My motherboard and drives support hotswap.
[21:08] <TheNH813> crzyp3ck Yes.
[21:09] <crzyp3ck> TheNH813: What?the file name says i386 not i686
[21:10] <OerHeks>  i386 is compatible with i486, i586 and i686
[21:10] <OerHeks> There is no native iso AFAIK
[21:12] <TheNH813> It will detect the extensions the CPU supports.
[21:12] <TheNH813> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
[21:12] <k1l_> TheNH813: do you have an issue there?
[21:13] <k1l_> TheNH813: what cpu is it?
[21:13] <TheNH813> I don't have any cpu issues
[21:13] <crzyp3ck> k1l_: intel i856
[21:13] <TheNH813> Hat was a repl for someone else
[21:13] <k1l_> TheNH813: sorry, i got confused with the nicks :)
[21:14] <k1l_> crzyp3ck: that is not a cpu its a mainboard chip
[21:15] <TheNH813> I do have issues with the installer though. It tried to put put grub on my raid array, and crashed the installer. I'l just unplug those drives anf try again later.
[21:15] <TheNH813> When I get home.
[21:15] <k1l_> TheNH813: you cant put grub on a raid.
[21:16] <TheNH813> I know.
[21:16] <TheNH813> I explicitly told it toput grub on /dev/sdd, it ignored me and attempted to put it on sda.
[21:17] <frostschutz> TheNH813, parted -l? is it uefi or bios
[21:17] <TheNH813> Both are enabled. But I'm using BIOS/MR
[21:19] <TheNH813> Like I mentioned earlier, I'l just unplug /dev/sda /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc before installing.
[21:19] <TheNH813> That shoo
[21:19] <frostschutz> sdabc are unpartitioned?
[21:19] <TheNH813> Linux-RAID
[21:20] <TheNH813> Is the partition type
[21:21] <SPeedY> hey guys, am scractching my head trying to figure this one out and can't, please help
[21:21] <TheNH813> What is it?
[21:21] <SPeedY> Hyper-v VM fresh install ubuntu 16.04 - after adding a second network card I get "Failed to start Raised Network interface"
[21:22] <mcox> hi - am i right in thinking that 16.04  desktop will get kernel 4.8.x soon (by just normal updates)
[21:22] <SPeedY> if i try ifup eth1 i get "RTNETLINK answers: File exists "
[21:22] <TheNH813> Hyper-V? VirtualBox with Hyper-V, or VMWare?
[21:23] <SPeedY> so i try flushing it out with: "ip addr flush dev eth1" and then I am able to restart networking fine, but if I reboot the system it stops working
[21:23] <SPeedY> Windows server 2012 r2 Hyper-v
[21:24] <TheNH813> What virtual machine software? VirtualBox or VMWare?
[21:24] <mcox> or is it only for new 16.04.2 installs (kernel 4.8)
[21:24] <k1l_> mcox: not by normal updates. if you already installed 16.04 then you need to install a metapackage. the release is on february 2nd
[21:25] <TheNH813> It sounds like a permissions issue or it's already in use. Restarting networking must clear it up.
[21:25] <mcox> k1l_: cheers, so on feb2 will it happen then or never on my install unless I installl the meta packag e?
[21:25] <SPeedY> TheNH813 i try that not sure how many times
[21:26] <k1l_> mcox: not if you dont install that additional metapackge.
[21:26] <mcox> ok cheers
[21:26] <k1l_> !hwe | mcox
[21:27] <mcox> thanks again
[21:28] <SPeedY> TheNH813 any other hint?
[21:29] <TheNH813> SPeedY: Sorry I'm not exactly what's causing that issue. Hopefully someone else can help. I use KVM myself, not Hyper-V. I'v also never used Windows Server as a guest OS.
[21:29] <TheNH813> Or Windows Server in general.
[21:29] <SPeedY> ok, thanks
[21:30] <OerHeks> eth1 is the old interface naming, perhaps that is your issue
[21:31] <SPeedY> what would be the appropiate name?
[21:32] <OerHeks> SPeedY, see what you have now: ifconfig
[21:33] <OerHeks> i have enp2s0 described, so 2nd would be enp2s1 i guess
[21:33] <mcox> SPeedY: use ifconfig -a
[21:34] <mcox> to show all
[21:34] <OerHeks> You can disable this new behaviour, but i would get used to it.
[21:35] <SPeedY> but being a fresh install, shouldn't it had named eth0 ens160 or so?
[21:36] <SPeedY> where can I modify the interface naming?
[21:37] <bekks> Why would you want to do that?
[21:37] <OerHeks> In grub, or read this list with answers http://askubuntu.com/questions/785848/ubuntu-16-04-complicated-interface-names
[21:38] <SPeedY> by the way when i check /etc/udev/rules.d its empty
[21:39] <akik> SPeedY: /etc/udev/rules.d is correct. it will be used if you create a rules file there
[21:40] <SPeedY> as for the new naming interface enp0s** where can I find which is mine
[21:40] <SPeedY> ifconfig -a only list eth0 and eth1 and lo
[21:42] <OerHeks> Then you are back to the begin, hyperv issue perhaps?
[21:43] <OerHeks> can one make a virtual network adapter from ubuntu?
[21:44] <SPeedY> if is hyper be, then why flush the address and restart networking it works?
[21:44] <bekks> SPeedY: So you have two interfaces, eth0 and eth1 and you can see their MAC addresses.
[21:44] <akik> SPeedY: what do you have in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[21:48] <SPeedY> this is what I have http://pastebin.com/kAHYXkdK
[21:49] <OS2_ID384D> got to dinner - bye
[21:56] <akik> SPeedY: do "sudo ifdown eth1" and "sudo ifup eth1" work without problems?
[22:04] <intx> apt-get install rsyslogd gets stuck on the postinst script, how do I find out what is causing it?
[22:05] <intx> or rather, what specific part of postinst is causing it?
[22:05] <bekks> Take a look at that script, maybe.
[22:05] <intx> I did, but I don't see anything in that should be causing it
[22:06] <bekks> So what happens when ou execute it with set -xv being set?
[22:06] <intx> haven't tried that
[22:07] <k1l_> intx: usually the apt shows what is happening
[22:07] <intx> not in my case, it just shows
[22:07] <intx> Setting up rsyslog (8.12.0-1ubuntu2) ...
[22:07] <intx> The user `syslog' is already a member of `adm'.
[22:07] <intx> -- and then it hangs here
[22:07] <groundze1o> hello..i open sudo nethogs..and it always shows me "? root unknown TCP"...even if i don't have any apps running..is this normal?
[22:07] <groundze1o> or am i being spied on?
[22:08] <FManTropyx> user 0 opens a session hourly for root
[22:08] <k1l_> intx: what ubuntu is that?
[22:08] <intx> 15.10
[22:08] <groundze1o> how can i make sure that nobody spies on me? (i have a vpn already)
[22:08] <SPeedY> akik: I get RTNETLINK answer: File Exists - Failed to bring up eth1
[22:08] <intx> bekks: -xv helped, it seems to hang on systemd-tmpfiles --create /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/xconsole.conf /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/00rsyslog.conf
[22:08] <tonyt> i have 1 ssd with windows 10 and another ssd with ubuntu on it. is there a took i can put on a usb stick to make both duel boot? trying not to have to reinstall either OS
[22:08] <k1l_> intx: well, that is outdated and no one will fix stuff there
[22:09] <akik> SPeedY: so did ifdown work?
[22:09] <FManTropyx> do I recall correctly that root logins are not allowed with any method?
[22:09] <reisio> FManTropyx: only by default
[22:09] <tonyt> tool that is
[22:09] <reisio> you can configure root login, if you like
[22:10] <FManTropyx> should I do something special after installing the OpenSSH daemon on my desktop-Ubuntu?
[22:10] <reisio> FManTropyx: so root can ssh in?
[22:10] <FManTropyx> nah, that won't be necessary
[22:10] <reisio> I'm asking you want you're trying to do, not what would be necessary
[22:10] <FManTropyx> rather, so that preferrably random people cannot :)
[22:10] <bekks> FManTropyx: All you need to do is starting the ssh server, after installing it :)
[22:11] <reisio> should start itself, IIRC
[22:12] <intx> k1l_: would upgrade if I had the choice, it is on a paid vpn and I have to choose from one of their existing images
[22:12] <intx> bekks: thanks, figured it out :) appreciate the help
[22:12] <k1l_> intx: if you pay for it i would suggest you tell them to not ship insecure releases.
[22:12] <bekks> intx: Which doesnt make it being supported. :P
[22:13] <\9> FManTropyx: "user 0 opens a session hourly for root" sounds like cron at work
[22:13] <bekks> intx: If they dont have a current, supported release, I'd instantly change the hoster.
[22:14] <intx> i'm happy with the speed and price I pay :)
[22:14] <bekks> intx: Are you happy with no support and insecurity, too?
[22:15] <intx> no, but you get what you pay for :D
[22:15] <bekks> So maybe you should pay for security and support instead.
[22:17] <groundze1o> hello
[22:17] <reisio> hi
[22:17] <\9> FManTropyx: as for preventing random people in, you can install sshguard to make too many failed logins result in being firewalled. it can help keep those annoying chinese login attempts at bay
[22:17] <groundze1o> wireshark shows me that my pc makes connnection to "googlecast_....".. why? I have no open apps or connections
[22:17] <\9> FManTropyx: you can also harden your configuration, use only newer ciphers. and i'd recommend using a port other than 22 if possible
[22:18] <reisio> using another port won't help with anything but confusing yourself
[22:18] <viran> can you explain this: http://pastebin.com/VBatHxhv ? The user ubuntu is in the docker group, the file has rw permission for that group.. yet I cant access it
[22:19] <k1l_> groundze1o: webbrowsers running?
[22:19] <\9> FManTropyx: if you want to go even further, iirc newer ssh versions allow you to require a key pair as well as password to log in. so you get two-factor authentication out of the box.
[22:19] <reisio> viran: 'groups' says you're in the group?
[22:19] <FManTropyx> yeah, keys are too complicated
[22:19] <\9> keys, too complicated?
[22:19] <reisio> keys won't help security, they're merely a convenience if you hate typing things
[22:19] <viran> reisio: no... what am I missing?
[22:20] <k1l_> FManTropyx: ssh root login is disabled on ubuntu per default.
[22:20] <reisio> viran: it's just your old session; su - sameuser
[22:20] <\9> reisio: keys keep the attacker from just brute force guessing the password
[22:20] <reisio> viran: or log out & back in
[22:20] <FManTropyx> I don't think I have a firewall
[22:20] <reisio> \9: nope
[22:20] <viran> thanks
[22:20] <\9> FManTropyx: linux has a built-in firewall
[22:20] <k1l_> FManTropyx: and "keys are too complicated" is just an excuse. like locking your door is too complicated to carry a key with you.
[22:20] <\9> you can access it with the iptables command
[22:20] <glache> hi
[22:21] <reisio> hi glache
[22:21] <glache> How do I login after registering and exiting and then coming back?
[22:21] <k1l_> viran: relogin already done?
[22:21] <reisio> glache: on freenode? /msg nickserv help identify
[22:21] <reisio> glache: or (better) this: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/hexchat
[22:22] <glache> ty
[22:23] <groundze1o> k1l_: no browser opened..everything closed..even irc chat client was closed
[22:27] <groundze1o> exit
[22:27] <groundze1o> exit
[22:30] <glache> alright
[22:30] <Apachez> how do one file features requests towards ubuntu/canonical?
[22:30] <cfhowlett> Apachez, please read /msg ubottu contribute
[22:31] <Apachez> tnx
[22:36] <Apachez> doesnt seem to fit my description
[22:36] <Apachez> or maybe Im blind
[22:36] <Apachez> fail to locate how and where to file feature requests (patch provided)
[22:37] <k1l_> Apachez: use launchpad.net
[22:44] <FManTropyx> using a keypair to authenticate is like magic and isn't the key generation process almost 30 steps long?
[22:45] <k1l_> FManTropyx: no. dont search for excuses not to use keyauth
[22:45] <k1l_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[22:46] <FManTropyx> now I have to click a link too?
[22:47] <k1l_> ok, i will stop responding to you. good luck with your issues.
[22:47] <reisio> you don't have to do anything
[22:47] <reisio> keys will substitute expending effort to authenticate when you connect to your remote with the already-expended effort of authenticating for your local OS
[22:47] <reisio> that is all they do
[22:47] <FManTropyx> good, I am busy with something else :) I don't really have issues
[22:50] <D-Chan> Hi all. I'm a newbie asking for help. Am I in the right place?
[22:50] <k1l_> D-Chan: yes
[22:53] <D-Chan> Thank you. Here's my problem: I installed Windows 7 over Ubuntu in a computer with UEFI. Then I used boot-repair to recover grub. But now grub does not display Windows 7 at all! I tried to recover Win7 boot by installation DVD but it didn't work (it's a modded version of Windows, and it recognized itself as incompatible with repair tool!). What should I do?
[22:54] <D-Chan> Note that in this PC Ubuntu and Windows were already installed, but I installed Ubuntu over Windows months ago. Now I needed Windows reinstalling and that's the origin of this mess ^__^
[22:55] <D-Chan> I was looking for a guide to edit /etc/grub.d/40_commons, but I only find very specific suggestions and I don't know how to adapt it to my windows installation
[23:09] <kanines> "After years of research of alternative world history, human origin, hidden knowledge etc.. I think I am too far down the rabbit hole. This is so shocking.﻿" "I am trying not to be overwhelmed. When I started asking questions, not even related to this, down the rabbit hole I fell. I can't believe it lead to this. What is true? Everything I have ever been taught is lies upon lies, its so frustrating.﻿" https://youtu.be/ssCkc8t9sho
[23:12] <mudd> Actually, this Killing Science vid is pretty damned good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szpt2cldlII
[23:14] <yusuf> merahba
[23:15] <yusuf> arkadaşlaryardımcı olabilicek varmı
[23:15] <tomreyn> !tr | yusuf
[23:16] <tomreyn> mudd: it doesn't belong here, though, this channel is about ubuntu support only.
[23:22] <mudd> We have a jew-orchestrated regression to the non-White mean? "That's exactly what is taking place for all of us to see." "Jews are the antithesis of science, the killers of science, for they create an environment which makes it impossible for science to flourish."
[23:22] <mudd> link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szpt2cldlII
[23:23] <mudd> "They are creating deliberately with the most malicious intent an environment where science simply cannot flourish."
[23:23] <OerHeks> !ops
[23:24] <mudd> Jew-orchestrated wars cutting short the lives of so many of our best scientists, he says. And the hundreds of millions of the best of the Gentiles slaughtered wholesale in these jewish harvests.
[23:25] <mudd> "Killing Science" by Scott Roberts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szpt2cldlII
[23:25] <phunyguy> mudd: do you have a support question?
[23:39] <nino> Hi.
[23:56] <glache> hi