| ochosi | hi everyone | 10:12 |
|---|---|---|
| ochosi | do we have a testcase for the thunar crashes written down somewhere? | 10:13 |
| ochosi | (background: a new patch was posted to bugzilla yesterday, i haven't reviewed it but in a quick test i didn't manage to make thunar crash) | 10:13 |
| flocculant | ochosi: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/361/builds/117794/testcases | 10:14 |
| ochosi | ok nice | 10:16 |
| ochosi | yeah, so that one doesn't pass either | 10:16 |
| flocculant | not using it currently though | 10:16 |
| ochosi | filenames don't change | 10:16 |
| flocculant | ochosi: yea - that is unfortunately the case - hence my 'do we really have to use thunar' pov :) | 10:17 |
| ochosi | thunar in yak seems to pass the testcase for me here though | 10:19 |
| flocculant | ochosi: mmm - well just keep trying the testcase - it will fail in the end :) | 10:21 |
| ochosi | "the end"? :) | 10:21 |
| flocculant | that's half the issue from my pov - it doesn't constantly crash :( | 10:21 |
| ochosi | i've been running it for a few minutes now | 10:21 |
| flocculant | if it 'always' crashed then fair play | 10:22 |
| flocculant | it crashed on me about 20 times yesterday | 10:22 |
| ochosi | well that's sorta the definition of a race condition... | 10:23 |
| flocculant | maybe so - didn't know that was the issue ;) | 10:23 |
| ochosi | btw i was revisiting the wording for notifyd settings dialog again yesterday | 10:24 |
| ochosi | how about "show or block notifications" for the applications tab? | 10:24 |
| ochosi | then i could reuse the "block" in the log tab and say "only log blocked applications" or something | 10:25 |
| flocculant | oh yuk :| ubiquity issue found that's not in ubuntu ... | 10:25 |
| ochosi | meh, ubiquity... | 10:25 |
| flocculant | ochosi: let me switch brain :) | 10:25 |
| ochosi | you have more than oneß | 10:25 |
| ochosi | ß | 10:25 |
| ochosi | ? | 10:25 |
| ochosi | (btw, the testcase for thunar is still running here, it hasn't crashed) | 10:25 |
| flocculant | yea - one that doesn't have ubuntu in it :D | 10:25 |
| flocculant | ochosi: : | 10:26 |
| flocculant | ) | 10:26 |
| flocculant | ochosi: show or block sounds ok to me :) | 10:26 |
| ochosi | so the wording i've evaluated so far was: hide, block, mute, disable | 10:26 |
| ochosi | and for the opposites it would be: display, show, enable | 10:27 |
| flocculant | yea - I really dislike mute for it | 10:27 |
| ochosi | yup, i remember :) | 10:27 |
| flocculant | :) | 10:27 |
| ochosi | to be fair, in the future there may be sound support | 10:27 |
| ochosi | it's part of the spec at leastt | 10:27 |
| ochosi | (even though i personally hate sound for notifications...) | 10:28 |
| flocculant | I suppose from one pov mute works - eg it mutes the signal | 10:28 |
| flocculant | but berty up the road just running something is unlikely to think of that | 10:29 |
| * flocculant should reinstall your notifications | 10:29 | |
| flocculant | oh dear - none of the a2 participants have their iso built turned on again :p | 10:34 |
| * flocculant can't double check this bug ... | 10:34 | |
| flocculant | ochosi: is it still at logging_rebased? | 10:35 |
| ochosi | humm, thunar is still running and not crashing... | 10:35 |
| ochosi | yeah | 10:35 |
| ochosi | it still is that branch | 10:36 |
| ochosi | really wanna push it to msater though... | 10:36 |
| flocculant | ta - I think I lost all that when I managed to kill my install fiddling with light/dm/locking | 10:36 |
| ochosi | sur | 10:37 |
| ochosi | e | 10:37 |
| ochosi | i can also send you some screenhots though | 10:37 |
| flocculant | sure | 10:37 |
| ochosi | http://i.imgur.com/401GJaj.png | 10:38 |
| ochosi | http://i.imgur.com/PIYvHdC.png | 10:38 |
| flocculant | that's old :) | 10:39 |
| flocculant | I remember the supermarket delivering :D | 10:39 |
| ochosi | that's the state of the branch plus some changes that i've incorporated | 10:39 |
| flocculant | ok - I grabbed it now etc | 10:39 |
| ochosi | fwiw the screenshots are not the state of the branch | 10:39 |
| ochosi | i'm a little ahead with string changes | 10:39 |
| ochosi | e.g. mute vs. block | 10:40 |
| ochosi | i'm still very unsure about the subtitle of the window | 10:40 |
| flocculant | not sure what to say about 'show/hide' if it's going to get sound support in the future | 10:41 |
| flocculant | ochosi: tbh I'm not convinced it needs a subtitle | 10:41 |
| ochosi | maybe not, but then that looks odd too | 10:41 |
| ochosi | then you have it in the window frame and in the white title section | 10:42 |
| flocculant | does it - or is that because you 'expect' subtitle? | 10:42 |
| flocculant | ochosi: or maybe Customise notifications and logging ? | 10:43 |
| flocculant | as it stands 'appear' covers 66.6% of what it does now :) | 10:43 |
| ochosi | you mean "customize how notifications appear"? | 10:44 |
| ochosi | i think yeah, the subtitle is sorta my (visual) expectation | 10:44 |
| ochosi | ) | 10:44 |
| flocculant | yup - appear does not work for the log tab | 10:45 |
| ochosi | "customize your notification settings" :p | 10:45 |
| * ochosi wanders off to cook | 10:45 | |
| flocculant | that works | 10:45 |
| ochosi | flocculant: ok, pushed some of the string improvements | 12:16 |
| flocculant | ochosi: that makes more sense to me now - looks good :) | 12:22 |
| flocculant | one thing I wonder about now - on app tab because it says show or block - you could maybe lose the on/off words? | 12:23 |
| flocculant | or call them show/block instead? | 12:24 |
| flocculant | logic - words say show or block - buttons say on and off - is on showing or blocking ... | 12:25 |
| flocculant | but I could just be being a bit picky there :) | 12:25 |
| * flocculant takes his turn wandering off to cook | 12:26 | |
| ochosi | flocculant: yeah, that would indeed make sense. show/blocked maybe instead of just show/block? | 12:32 |
| ochosi | cause "block" sorta implies you wanna click if you wanna block... | 12:32 |
| flocculant | yup | 13:00 |
| flocculant | ochosi: oh - not sure if this is intentional or not - but if I click on an app in app tab it chnages the on/off state? | 13:01 |
| flocculant | almost like the whole name + button is the button | 13:02 |
| flocculant | https://sendvid.com/hkao24te just in case it isn't | 13:09 |
| ochosi | flocculant: yes, that is intentional. should help people click an app | 13:29 |
| ochosi | also means it's not so problematic to drop the switch | 13:29 |
| ochosi | (hopefully) | 13:29 |
| ochosi | before though i have to consider whether i change the internal wording in the code and xfconf because atm it's mute everywhere | 13:30 |
| flocculant | ochosi: ack - just wanted to make sure it was intentional :) | 13:31 |
| flocculant | by mute everywhere - do you mean everywhere in xfce that this type of thing is - it is called mute? | 13:32 |
| flocculant | if so then I can understand you ummming and aahing on it :) | 13:32 |
| flocculant | anyway - back later today | 13:33 |
| ochosi | no, just in xfce4-notifyd | 13:38 |
| ochosi | muting is older than logging | 13:38 |
| ochosi | initially i called it that | 13:38 |
| ochosi | aka in the current stable release | 13:38 |
| ochosi | anyway, i think i'll push the current state to master | 13:39 |
| bluesabre | morning all | 13:58 |
| flocculant | ochosi: ok - well I hope I helped some :) | 13:59 |
| flocculant | morning bluesabre | 13:59 |
| bluesabre | hey flocculant | 13:59 |
| ochosi | hey bluesabre | 14:04 |
| ochosi | how's it going? | 14:04 |
| flocculant | http://i.imgur.com/tHCyoEI.png | 14:08 |
| bluesabre | hey ochosi | 14:08 |
| bluesabre | going pretty well | 14:08 |
| flocculant | that's confusing - all from this installation - all opened slightly different ways | 14:08 |
| bluesabre | Releasing new sgt-launcher right now | 14:09 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 14:09 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i'm prepping a release for taskman and notifyd atm | 14:10 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, \o/ | 14:10 |
| ochosi | odd that the xfcetitleddialog doesn't seem to be working for flocculant | 14:11 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: you likely to get to gtk3 settings today? | 14:11 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, that is the plan | 14:11 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: maybe we have to cherry-pick a commit of mine from libxfce4ui | 14:11 |
| ochosi | bbabl | 14:11 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, alright | 14:11 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: cool :) | 14:11 |
| bluesabre | noticed that the new sgt-puzzles package in zesty is using gtk3 | 14:25 |
| bluesabre | as a result, the menu is always faded because the embedded window is always in a non-active state | 14:26 |
| flocculant | the 'game' menu I assume you mean | 14:27 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 14:27 |
| flocculant | I didn't take a lot of notice of that I'm afraid | 14:27 |
| flocculant | and what's xfcetitleddialog when it's at home? | 14:28 |
| bluesabre | lazy | 14:28 |
| flocculant | ha ha | 14:28 |
| bluesabre | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sgt-launcher/0.2.2-0ubuntu1 uploaded, includes appstream data so it will show in gnome-software :) | 14:32 |
| flocculant | I might install it to see it showing up then :p | 14:35 |
| flocculant | not sgt ftr :D | 14:35 |
| bluesabre | :D | 14:36 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: it works as well :p | 15:55 |
| flocculant | knome: re the discussion sometime ago about oem | 15:56 |
| flocculant | I'd have the same discussion about whether we should test lvm/encryption | 15:56 |
| flocculant | akxwi-dave bluesabre ^^ | 15:57 |
| akxwi-dave | very good point there flocculant | 15:58 |
| flocculant | I'd be inclined to think more people are likely to do that than oem | 15:59 |
| akxwi-dave | oh yes, you cannot nelieve the size of the fucisha bush she wanted me to dig out | 16:02 |
| flocculant | sounds like The Great Esacpe then :) | 16:03 |
| flocculant | \o/ os-prober lost all my other installs | 16:44 |
| flocculant | for one horrible minute I'd not just deleted the partition I wanted to ;) | 16:46 |
| akxwi-dave | ouch | 16:48 |
| flocculant | downgraded it - reran update-grub then updated it again :p | 16:53 |
| flocculant | I much prefer finding issues that aren't xubuntu | 16:55 |
| akxwi-dave | hehe more fun that way | 16:58 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, your non-xubuntu-specific bugs are the best ones, keep those coming | 17:38 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, and yes, we should probably test lvm/encryption, though those will almost never be xubuntu-specific bugs | 17:39 |
| bluesabre | (but they could be) | 17:39 |
| flocculant | yea agree on the specificity there | 17:40 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: I can easily add the tests to our stuff on tracker | 17:40 |
| bluesabre | Sounds reasonable to me | 17:41 |
| flocculant | ok | 17:41 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: added now | 17:51 |
| knome | flocculant, yeah, why not | 18:36 |
| knome | flocculant, though i believe there is less (think: none) xubuntu-specific components involved with that | 18:37 |
| flocculant | well the only why not for this is the same as the why not for oem :p | 18:37 |
| flocculant | yea - but probably useful to at least test it | 18:37 |
| knome | because some components in an OEM installation are xubuntu-specific (those in the config) | 18:37 |
| flocculant | currently set it for mandatory - but we can see how it goes and change that | 18:37 |
| knome | but yes, maybe they could all be once a cycle or so | 18:37 |
| knome | but i'm open for all kinds of experiments | 18:38 |
| flocculant | we'll keep that for -offtopic with the gardening I think | 18:38 |
| flocculant | :p | 18:38 |
| flocculant | knome: trouble with 'once a cycle or so' is when and then - bug might land post 'we checked that' | 18:40 |
| flocculant | we could change it to run-once - add OEM as run-once than 'forget about worrying' till milestones | 18:41 |
| flocculant | s/than/then | 18:41 |
| knome | once likely being later in the cycle | 18:51 |
| knome | bbl | 18:51 |
| flocculant | mmm | 19:14 |
| ochosi | evening all | 19:35 |
| flocculant | hi ochosi :) | 19:36 |
| ochosi | alrighty, i think i'll merge the logging_rebased branch to master of xfce4-notifyd now | 19:37 |
| ochosi | then translators can start their work | 19:37 |
| ochosi | which will actually be quite a bit this time around | 19:37 |
| ochosi | thanks for testing and input, flocculant | 19:38 |
| flocculant | ochosi: np :) | 19:38 |
| ochosi | wow, even found and fixed another small bug with the log | 19:52 |
| flocculant | :) | 20:13 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: can you take a peek at whether taskmanager from git master is packageable, i.e. just to see whether i forgot any depends or so in the build process | 21:34 |
| bluesabre | libxfce4ui 4.13.1 added to xfce4-gtk3 ppa, xfce4-settings uploaded to same and currently building | 23:51 |
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