[01:31] <WW36> Tried to install Lubuntu a couple times. Keeps stating an error that dev/sda could not be installed. Any suggestions?
[01:43] <xangua> And that happens when?
[02:25] <budder> hello
[02:25] <budder> i can't find lubuntu 15.04
[02:26] <krytarik> !15.04
[02:29] <budder> i mean i can't find the DL link
[02:30] <krytarik> Well, you shouldn't download it anymore.
[02:31] <budder> why is that?
[02:32] <krytarik> Because, like I had the bot tell you, it's EOL for a year now.
[02:34] <budder> my CPU is affected by a bug and I can't use Kernel 4.x
[02:35] <LuMint> budder: go for 14.04
[02:35] <LuMint> like I do
[02:35] <budder> so i am resorting to an older release
[02:35] <LuMint> it's supported as opposed to 15.04 which is totally deprecated
[02:36] <LuMint> budder: what's the cpu?
[02:36] <budder> LuMint: i believe the LTS enablement stack makes it so taht 14.04 still have the updated kernel
[02:36] <LuMint> only if you want it to
[02:37] <budder> LuMint: celeron n2940.
[02:37] <LuMint> you have a choice, 3.13, 3,16, 4,{4,5 - not sure}
[02:37] <budder> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109051
[02:37] <budder> LuMint: wut
[02:38] <budder> do you mean I can still have 14.04 but retain the 3.x kernel?
[02:38] <budder> idk what this enablement stack is. i'm very new to linux in general
[02:38] <LuMint> budder: didn't I told you that?
[02:39] <LuMint> uname-a: Linux office-desktop 3.13.0-107-generic #154-Ubuntu SMP Mon Dec 19 19:20:26 UTC 2016 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:39] <LuMint> convinced?
[02:40] <budder> LuMint: wait a second, so it is OPTIONAL to use the newer kernel? can you please link me to some more information on this? and how about going to do this?
[02:41] <LuMint> yes. google/duck it. install 14.04
[02:42] <krytarik> budder: Just get the 14.04.1 release, it has the initial kernel still.
[02:44] <budder> duck it>
[02:44] <budder> LuMint: duck it?
[02:44] <LuMint> ducduckgo.com
[02:44] <budder> krytarik: ok
[02:45] <budder> thanks both of you
[02:45] <budder> wait LuMint are you also affected by the same bug?
[02:46] <LuMint> no I'm affected by a different bug, which is not really a bug but a dropped support for my GPU drivers.
[02:46] <LuMint> so I can't use anything newer than 3.7 and still have nvidia-173 proprietary drivers
[02:47] <LuMint> well actually, I can if I used arch or if I somehow ported the patches from aur to enable it.
[02:47] <LuMint> but that's technicalities.
[02:47] <LuMint> why bother if 3.13 is still supported
[02:48] <budder> got it... mostly
[02:49] <budder> thnx again
[02:50] <LuMint> 14.04 is supported for at least two more years.
[05:35] <Vialas_> hello everyone
[05:35] <Vialas_> hope you are all well
[05:35] <Vialas_> first time in here... i installed Lubuntu for the first time today ... wohooo
[05:35] <Vialas_> i already have a question.. if i may
[05:35] <Vialas_> Q is : how do i update the kernal on my raspberry pi ?
[05:35] <Vialas_> sudo apt-get install --reinstall raspberrypi-bootloader
[05:36] <Vialas_> is that the correct command i should use? i would use this on say my normal ubuntu box... unsure about how it works on lubuntu for RasPi
[05:37] <wxl> Vialas_: are you trying to reinstall your kernel or update it? because that command doesn't update anything. just reinstalls it. it also doesn't refer to the kernel, but the bootloader.
[05:38] <Vialas_> rofl ok so i have no idea what im doing rofl
[05:38] <Vialas_> i want to update my kernal
[05:38] <wxl> so just run updates like normal and it will take care of it
[05:38] <wxl> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[05:38] <Vialas_> according to a podcast i head there was a security issue with the Raspi Krnal
[05:39] <Vialas_> oh not apt-get?
[05:39] <wxl> what security issue?
[05:39] <wxl> apt is a nicer version of apt-get
[05:40] <Vialas_> oh i never used apt before hehe
[05:40] <Vialas_> i am not sure of the specifics - was on a podcast let me check...
[05:42] <wxl> found it https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3170-2/
[05:43] <Vialas_> wow
[05:43] <Vialas_> how you find it so fast :O
[05:43] <wxl> all the security issues in ubuntu are listed under ubuntu.com/usn
[05:43] <wxl> anyways if your isp doesn't support ipv6, i wouldn't even worry about it
[05:43] <Vialas_> oh cool cool
[05:43] <wxl> still, it's good to fix it
[05:43] <Vialas_> yea
[05:43] <Vialas_> and you know what
[05:44] <wxl> what kernel you have now? uname -a
[05:44] <Vialas_> i did the dist-upgrade
[05:44] <Vialas_> i do that quite religiously
[05:44] <wxl> then yeah, no need to sweat
[05:44] <wxl> it
[05:44] <Vialas_> oh haha sweet :)
[05:44] <wxl> security updates are always the highest priority
[05:44] <Vialas_> i am running 4.1.19-v7+
[05:44] <lynorian> yes if you dist-upgrade everyday you probably are much better patched than most companies
[05:44] <Vialas_> woot woot
[05:44] <wxl> oh so you're a bit behind
[05:45] <wxl> you're on xenial?
[05:45] <Vialas_> ive thought about doing sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade -Y on a crhon job :P
[05:45] <wxl> cuz THAT issue only affects yakkety
[05:45] <Vialas_> raspberry pi
[05:45] <wxl> lsb_release -a
[05:45] <wxl> what version of lubuntu
[05:45] <Vialas_> i thought i was on the msot up to date version :(
[05:46] <Vialas_> ubuntu 16.04
[05:46] <Vialas_> xenial
[05:46] <wxl> yep xenial
[05:46] <wxl> so there's no issues for you anyways :)
[05:46] <Vialas_> 16.04.1
[05:46] <Vialas_> woot woot
[05:46] <Vialas_> why am i behind then :(
[05:46] <wxl> yeah i'm a little shocked as to why you're behind
[05:46] <Vialas_> :(
[05:47] <Vialas_> i just installed it today
[05:47] <Vialas_> literaly
[05:48] <wxl> try dpkg -l | grep -E 'linux-image-.*-[0-9]+'
[05:48] <wxl> that'll list all the kernels you have installed
[05:48] <wxl> oh bother remove the -.*
[05:48] <wxl> that'll just show up the extra package which is irrelevant
[05:49] <wxl> you might still be running the original kernel even though you updated to the new noe
[05:51] <Vialas_> one sec
[05:54] <Vialas_> dpkg -l
[05:54] <Vialas_> is that a L or a pipe?
[05:54] <LuMint> l
[05:55] <LuMint> u should install a normal font
[05:55] <Vialas_> im on a mac :(
[05:55] <Vialas_> lol
[05:55] <Vialas_> there is NO normal
[05:55] <LuMint> Vialas_: besides, there couldn't be TWO pipes in a row
[05:55] <Vialas_> oh lol
[05:56] <LuMint> and a pipe preceded by dash will presumably not work
[05:56] <LuMint> well, it does.
[05:56] <LuMint> Vialas_: but that dash can potentially cause all kinda weird thigns so you don't use | with - before it :)
[05:58] <LuMint> wxl: forgive my curiousity, but what does + sign do?
[05:59] <wxl> LuMint: regex for "one or more" of the previous character
[06:01] <wxl> could have used * for zero or more but that'd be weird :)
[06:02] <Vialas_> dpkg -l | grep -E 'linux-image-[0-9]+'
[06:02] <Vialas_> didnt give any output
[06:04] <LuMint> that's weird
[06:04] <LuMint> try dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[06:04] <Vialas_> nothing...
[06:04] <wxl> um
[06:05] <LuMint> wxl: thanks, didn't know one can mix it with * ? [] and {}, that is bash stuff
[06:05] <wxl> try grepping just for just linux
[06:05] <Vialas_> ?
[06:05] <LuMint> dpkg -l | grep linux
[06:05] <LuMint> Vialas_:
[06:05] <wxl> LuMint: [0-9] is actually NOT bash stuff. that's regex. the fact that the regex is contained within single quotes indicates that bash will not attempt to expand it
[06:06] <wxl> e.g. `echo '$SHELL'` won't show you your shell
[06:06] <Vialas_> bingo
[06:06] <Vialas_> we have output :)
[06:06] <LuMint> wxl: ty
[06:07] <wxl> !pastebin | Vialas_
[06:07] <Vialas_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23892115/
[06:08] <Vialas_> hey i have to duck out real quick... do you mind if i come back and continue
[06:08] <Vialas_> or are you going to leave soon?
[06:08] <Vialas_> sorry for being anoying :$
[06:08] <wxl> i'm about out
[06:08] <Vialas_> ok
[06:08] <wxl> but still very confused
[06:08] <Vialas_> im very confused myself :(
[06:08] <Vialas_> maybey we can continue tomorrow :D
[06:08] <wxl> k
[06:09] <LuMint> wouldn't think arm stuff would be so complicated
[06:09] <wxl> i'm about to ragequit mode anyways (not your fault)
[06:09] <LuMint> why?
[06:09]  * wxl smells sarcasm on LuMint's breath
[06:09] <Vialas_> :(
[06:09] <Vialas_> dont ragequit
[06:09] <Vialas_> you seem too nice to rage!!!
[06:10] <wxl> oh i'm having issues with an image not behaving properly on a virtual machine
[06:10] <Vialas_> oh golly
[06:10] <wxl> it's a figure of speech of course Vialas_ :)
[06:10] <Vialas_> story of my life
[06:10] <Vialas_> thats good wxl :)
[06:10] <Vialas_> hehe
[06:10] <LuMint> yeah, don't, you are by far one of the most helpful and nice people here
[06:10] <Vialas_> i gave up using debian
[06:10] <Vialas_> hence why im now using lubuntu
[06:10] <wxl> well welcome to ubuntu :)
[06:10] <LuMint> Vialas_: what was wrong with your debian?
[06:10] <Vialas_> thanks wxl
[06:11] <LuMint> Vialas_: problems with something proprietary/firmware?
[06:11] <Vialas_> well it is a pain to install, when i do install it the graphcis drivers dont work
[06:11] <Vialas_> yes exactaly LuMint
[06:11] <Vialas_> i use ubuntu and it just works
[06:11] <LuMint> you should just add the nonfree repo
[06:11] <Vialas_> i tried LuMint ... didnt seem to work
[06:11] <Vialas_> i like Lubuntu im just woried about the conical stuff in it :S
[06:11] <LuMint> weird
[06:11] <Vialas_> very weird
[06:11] <LuMint> canonical?
[06:11] <LuMint> conical?
[06:11] <Vialas_> yea
[06:11] <Vialas_> :$
[06:11] <Vialas_> lol
[06:12] <wxl> the only stuff canonical owns is the trademarks
[06:12] <wxl> like "lubuntu"
[06:12] <wxl> as far as actual code, not really
[06:12] <Vialas_> fewwwwww
[06:12] <Vialas_> and no amazon crapware on lubuntu
[06:12] <Vialas_> or that stupid unity
[06:12]  * Vialas_ vomits
[06:12] <Vialas_> sorry everyone... ill clean it up
[06:13] <wxl> i mean they have their pet projects like um
[06:13] <wxl> man i can't think of the name of the darn thing now hahaha
[06:13] <wxl> i keep wanting to say upstream
[06:13] <wxl> upstart!
[06:13] <wxl> that's it
[06:13] <LuMint> Vialas_: what are you going to do with your raspberry?
[06:13] <Vialas_> hmm ok
[06:13] <LuMint> wxl: not anymore :(
[06:13] <Vialas_> well i have heaps of pis
[06:13] <Vialas_> lol
[06:13] <wxl> but those are things they push upstream as well, so it's not really proprietary
[06:13] <Vialas_> i am an adict
[06:13] <Vialas_> 1 is a VPN server
[06:13] <wxl> LuMint: yeah yeah
[06:13] <Vialas_> another is a every day linux box
[06:13] <LuMint> upstart is almost deprecated by now
[06:13] <xangua> Lubuntu does use the "indicators"
[06:13] <LuMint> will probably only be supported until 19'
[06:13] <Vialas_> another i use as an intranet webserver
[06:13] <xangua> That's a canonical stuff
[06:14] <Vialas_> xangua whatis an "indicators"
[06:14] <LuMint> Vialas_: do you ssh into it?
[06:14] <Vialas_> yep
[06:14] <Vialas_> SSH all the way
[06:14] <LuMint> I see
[06:14] <Vialas_> love ssh!
[06:14] <wxl> xangua: if you're referring to some aspect of unity, even that's open sourced
[06:14] <LuMint> Vialas_: btw you can do that with a vmware VM
[06:14] <LuMint> and forward X, too
[06:14] <Vialas_> what u mean LuMint ?
[06:14] <lynorian> Well you can run lubuntu in lubuntu with virt manager
[06:15] <xangua> Vialas_: indicators are like notification icons/area but "better"
[06:15] <wxl> yes but can you run lubuntu in lubuntu in lubuntu?
[06:15] <Vialas_> xangua right...
[06:15] <LuMint> Vialas_: i mean you don't need a dedicated linux box to be able to use it from windows.
[06:15] <wxl> good use of quotes, xangua
[06:15] <Vialas_> yea LuMint but i like to have a linux box
[06:15] <LuMint> understood
[06:15] <Vialas_> mac is propiatary and leeeks tooooo much info
[06:15] <Vialas_> i like linux
[06:15] <Vialas_> :D
[06:16] <LuMint> Vialas_: well block he hell out of it with a firewall on the router
[06:16] <Vialas_> ok time for dinner
[06:16] <Vialas_> hope i get to talk to you all soon
[06:16] <Vialas_> block it?
[06:16] <Vialas_> how so LuMint ?
[06:16] <LuMint> yeah, unwanted ips/servers
[06:16] <Vialas_> mmm true
[06:16] <Vialas_> oh these servers
[06:16] <Vialas_> sorry
[06:16] <Vialas_> they are at my house
[06:16] <Vialas_> i own them
[06:16] <Vialas_> so behind my router
[06:16] <Vialas_> safe :D
[06:16] <wxl> or better yet set up a freebsd box with pf on it and block everything!
[06:17] <LuMint> openbsd would be a more secure choice, I guess
[06:17] <LuMint> since a router doesn't really need anything GUI
[06:17] <LuMint> or pretty much any user software
[06:19] <Vialas_> yay... ok lesson learnt dont talk to fast and hit enter.... Drone` will not be happy wiht you
[06:19] <wxl> XD
[06:19] <Vialas_> ok got to run
[06:19] <Vialas_> hope to talk to you all very soon. thanks wxl and LuMint and otehrs :)
[06:19] <Vialas_> bbl
[06:19] <wxl> ta
[06:20] <LuMint> see you
[06:20] <LuMint> wxl: incidentally, do you happen to know if it's possible to apply a patch from aur so I could use nvidia-173 with a kernel newer than 3.7 (3.13 in fact)?
[06:20] <LuMint> the arch guys somehow managed to get it working with new kernels
[06:20] <wxl> LuMint: never tried, but i'm sure it will need some massaging
[06:21] <wxl> ok that's it
[06:21]  * wxl kicks the virtual machine to the curb and goes to bed
[06:22] <LuMint> good night
[13:20] <dminca> hi guys
[13:20] <dminca> is the `dbus-launch` command supposed to fork multiple pids of `dbus-daemon` ?
[13:21] <dminca> because I'm having 914 dbus-daemon pids
[13:21] <dminca> and I don't want to killall as I'll fuck up systemd
[13:22] <dminca> what's the best approach in this case? How can I launch a process via `dbus-launch` without making it to fork so many `dbus-daemon` pids
[16:25] <Gochy> Hi, I need some help with a problem while upgrading from 14.04 LT to 16.04 LTS
[20:00] <RainMan28> Hi, I am trying to run a command via a Lubuntu LiveUSB and when I do it with sudo it tells me: 'dd: failed to open '/dev/sda': Permission denied'. Any idea what I am doing wrong?
[20:00] <RainMan28> I am logged in as the lubuntu user
[20:01] <RainMan28> My command is: sudo xzcat file.img.xz | dd of=/dev/sda bs=1M
[20:02] <krytarik> RainMan28: Move the 'sudo' after the pipe, to the 'dd' - then it should work.
[20:03] <RainMan28> oh i see, thank you
[20:03] <krytarik> Sure.
[20:03] <RainMan28> that is working, krytarik, thanks!
[20:03] <krytarik> Welcome.