[14:22] <shakes808> morning
[14:23] <cmaloney> ahoy
[14:24] <widox> morning
[15:05] <rick_h> jrwren: yea sorry, was jumping on the post more than yourself
[15:07] <jrwren> oh, the post was definiting making some better way suggestions... adn it DOES have a point.
[15:08] <jrwren> my comment was largely sparked by some folks I know who buy lots of books and don't read them and then complain they have no money while they have tens of thousands of dollars in unread books on their shelves. I'm not exagerating.
[15:08] <rick_h> heh
[15:09] <rick_h> the library is definitely an underutilized resource these days for sure
[15:09]  * rick_h is guilty of that though my wife is good about it which makes me happy
[15:09] <jrwren> rick_h: does clarkston have a library, or do you get to use orion twp?
[15:09] <rick_h> jrwren: clarkston has one
[15:10] <jrwren> clarkston probably built a nice new one since I was a kid. Most of the surrounding cities did in the 90s
[15:10] <rick_h> my wife takes the boy every couple of weeks ot get a stack of libary books and to play the games on the computers there
[15:10] <cmaloney> jrwren: Shut up about my library
[15:10]  * cmaloney dusts the shelves
[15:10] <rick_h> In 1965, the Women’s club transferred the library to the authority of Independence Township. The Library was officially established under Act 269, the School Code of 1955, making the Library a Township Department governed by the Independence Township Board.
[15:11] <rick_h> so a bit before the 90's it looks like
[15:11] <cmaloney> I've been working to not buy so many books and instead find out if the library has it so they can store it instead.
[15:11] <jrwren> oh wow, so it is the same old 80s library I remember from when I was a kid?
[15:11] <jrwren> err, 60s library that I remember from the 80s. lol
[15:11] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, looking at the history doc it was started in the 60s and expanded several times
[15:11] <rick_h> jrwren: with a big $2M expansion in the late 80s
[15:12] <cmaloney> <3
[15:13] <jrwren> cmaloney: i have the crap dusty shelves too. I should probably do something about it.
[15:13] <jrwren> but hten I also think about some of my favorite fiction and as the kid gets older I want her to be able to grab those books off the shelf.
[15:13] <jrwren> but maybe in another 10yrs I'll clear the shelves.
[15:14] <rick_h> heh, I'm waiting for my son to get reading more textual books so I can get him a kindle
[15:15]  * rick_h has pared down the books on shelves waaaay down
[15:15] <rick_h> and with audible/kindle I don't think I've more than a dozen books on the shelves in the last 2-3 years
[15:17] <jrwren> ha! yeah!
[15:17] <jrwren> sometimes i wish I were a digital reading person, but I am not.
[15:18] <cmaloney> I vascillate betweehn digital / print
[15:18] <rick_h> I wish I wasn't, but every time I travel or go camping, or finish a book while in the car somewhere I am glad
[15:18] <rick_h> The "idea" of the physical book is attractive, but the practicalities just get in the way.
[15:19] <rick_h> I'm just "whatever works to keep folks reading"
[15:19] <rick_h> my son's got stacks of books taller than he is lol
[15:19] <rick_h> have to find a good box to save them in for his own kids one day maybe
[15:19] <cmaloney> rick_h: You're well on the way of the whole "living out of a knapsack" efficiency curve. ;)
[15:19] <rick_h> wish I had more of that
[15:20] <rick_h> cmaloney: working on it, will go to ghent next week with my tortuga backpack and that's it
[15:20] <jrwren> you are probably right. My issue is, I'm too damn lazy to get organized enough to have an e-library that I want to read.
[15:20] <cmaloney> Ye gods. :)
[15:20] <cmaloney> The biggest problem I have with digital is the silly DRM nonsense
[15:20] <jrwren> that too.
[15:20] <rick_h> heh, see something good, search it in google, click the AMZ link, click if I want to listen or read it and have it delivered to my device
[15:20] <cmaloney> Sorry, but I don't want to have to re-buy digital products if your business model goes belly up.
[15:21] <rick_h> 60s later start listening/reading to it
[15:21] <rick_h> yea, that's the part that will one day bite me I'm sure
[15:21] <rick_h> it did with music
[15:21] <jrwren> i've still got some cassette. :p
[15:21] <cmaloney> That and RPG books are letter-sized and unless I get used to zoom / scroll they tend to be suboptimal to read
[15:21] <cmaloney> plus I like books on a shelf
[15:22] <rick_h> jrwren: lol we moved the entertainment center and my wife wants to know what's on a couple of VHS tapes that were in the back there
[15:22] <jrwren> ha!
[15:22] <rick_h> "if this has got cute video of you as a kid I'm digitizing it!!!"
[15:22] <cmaloney> rick_h: Oh god
[15:22] <rick_h> was about how the threat went
[15:22] <jrwren> hahahaha. I wonder if we have any VHS still. We DO have a player.
[15:22] <cmaloney> I have a bulk eraser if you want to borrow it
[15:22] <rick_h> do you? don't tell my wife
[15:22] <jrwren> but I do not think we have any tapes
[15:22] <rick_h> we've not had one in forever
[15:23] <jrwren> the player is sitting here on basement shelf. it hasn't been plugged in since we moved. lol
[15:23] <cmaloney> My dad has a VHS / DVD burner. I can burn discs if you want
[15:23] <jrwren> seems like as much as I try to purge old stuff, some things just stick around.
[15:23] <cmaloney> Did that with the "Stella at 20" tapes that I have before they released them online