[08:12] <BigWhale> I think I spotted this weird bug. If you click in time in unity panel and leave the calendar open then wait for computer to turn off the screens, compiz will crash :>
[08:16] <duflu> BigWhale: Sounds like this 11-year-old bug needs updating: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/49579
[08:17] <sarnold> I -think- Trevinho may have recently (~six months ago?) pushed code to try to break the grab.. I wonder if compiz sometimes gets grumpy about that.
[08:18] <duflu> sarnold: Yes sounds like a recent regression
[08:21] <duflu> sarnold: It appears I suggested that back in 2013 (comment #59) :)
[08:22] <sarnold> duflu: ha, that's great :)
[08:23] <sarnold> .. and almost every changelog entry here feels like it could be related :/ https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+changelog
[08:23] <duflu> Sounds like it was better left unfixed
[08:24] <seb128> did anyone even confirm the issue?
[08:25] <seb128> or are you just all randomly speciculating one on IRC mention?
[08:25] <seb128> discrediting potential changes from collegues as buggy on the way without any evidence?
[08:28] <sarnold> seb128: random speculation.
[08:36] <seb128> sarnold, I assumed so :-)
[08:36] <seb128> BigWhale, in any case would be good to get a stacktrace or apport report
[08:36] <seb128> also would be useful to know what Ubuntu serie you use
[08:43] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[08:43] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hi, did you forgot to push the l10n package?
[08:45] <seb128> hey ricotz
[08:45] <ricotz> hey seb128
[08:47] <desrt> good morning
[08:48] <desrt> and happy wednesday
[08:48] <seb128> hey desrt, did you fly yet or just changed tz?
[08:48] <desrt> sitting in ICE :)
[08:48] <ricotz> mid-week celebration? ;)
[08:48] <seb128> desrt, welcome :-)
[08:48] <desrt> will be in köln in an hour
[08:49] <seb128> so as pitti says, you are in your mobile office? ;-)
[08:49] <desrt> seems to be.  they have free wifi even in 2nd class now.  that's nice.
[08:50] <seb128> nice indeed
[08:50] <desrt> so flying on a tuesday night is pretty great.  the airport was really empty, no lines, and the flight was cheap
[08:51] <desrt> and i'm going to end up doing a more or less full work day today
[08:51] <seb128> empty seat next to you?
[08:51] <desrt> something better than that ;)
[08:51] <seb128> you don't get class promotion on empty planes do you? ;-)
[08:52]  * desrt was flying Mascha Class™
[08:52] <desrt> we got right in the back of the plane where it starts getting narrow and is 2-4-2 instead of 3-4-3, so we grabbed one of the '2's... was quite nice.
[08:53] <seb128> ah, I see
[08:53] <seb128> nice that you had a good trip!
[08:54] <desrt> thanks :)
[09:03] <seb128> oh, Laney is late today!
[09:03] <Laney> oops
[09:03] <seb128> lol
[09:03] <seb128> hey Laney ;-)
[09:03] <Laney> I answered a PM first
[09:03] <Laney> hi!
[09:03] <seb128> haha
[09:03] <seb128> how are you?
[09:04] <desrt> morning laney :D
[09:04] <Laney> pretty good!
[09:04] <Laney> tuesday routine: climbing -> pub quiz
[09:04] <Laney> it was meant to be raining all evening so I was expecting to get wet on the bike but in the end it was more-or-less dry
[09:05] <desrt> tuesday is somehow the international standard day of pub quiz night
[09:05] <Laney> hey desrt, welcome to eurotime
[09:05] <desrt> thanks :D
[09:05] <Laney> seb128: and how are you?
[09:06] <willcooke> heyooo
[09:06] <seb128> Laney, I'm good, had a relaxing evening and a good night. Need to book my train tickets for Bruxelles today
[09:06] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:06] <desrt> willcooke: morning :)
[09:06] <desrt> willcooke: gonna pop in to fosdem, per chance?
[09:06] <willcooke> good flight desrt
[09:07] <willcooke> ?
[09:07] <desrt> meh.
[09:07] <desrt> i survived, and i'm oddly energised
[09:07] <Laney> ah bruxeleleles
[09:07] <desrt> Laney: the only valid spelling is "bruzzzlex"
[09:07] <Laney> hope that we avoid leon this time >:|
[09:07] <desrt> what's wrong with leon?
[09:08] <desrt> the great thing about going to brussels every year is doing *exactly* the same set of things that you did all of the years before
[09:09] <Laney> the food was really shite last year
[09:09] <desrt> hm.  i can't remember.
[09:10] <Laney> there was something about mascha's meal
[09:10] <Laney> but i forgot what
[09:10] <Laney> however, that's still the only place i've ever (knowingly) had horse
[09:10] <desrt> i've had it at a place in köln.  it was very dry.  leon was much better.
[09:11] <desrt> horse is a bit of a difficult meat from what i understand
[10:00] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: heh, it did upload, but didnt end up in the ppa because of size limits
[10:03] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, ah, I see, could you fix that
[10:04] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: takes some time for lp to "realize" I deleted a package to free up space. but yeah, will do.
[10:04] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, there likely is a need for transitional packages of libreoffice-style-human and libreoffice-sdbc-firebird
[10:04] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, ok
[10:05] <flexiondotorg> Morning Desktopers.
[10:05] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, and maybe:
[10:05] <ricotz>  ENABLE_MYSQLNATIVE=y
[10:05] <ricotz> -MYSQL_FLAVOUR=default
[10:05] <ricotz> +MYSQL_FLAVOUR=mysql
[10:05] <ricotz>  # set this also to y for system-mysql..
[10:06] <willcooke> morning flexiondotorg
[10:07] <ricotz> hey flexiondotorg willcooke
[10:07] <willcooke> howdy ricotz
[10:22] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, just push it to ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-prereleases ?
[10:30] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[10:30] <flexiondotorg> seb128 o/
[10:31] <jbicha> Laney: wine doesn't show up in appstream in zesty but it does in sid; could you update the generator to 0.6.2?
[10:32] <jbicha> I don't know if that helps wine but because the new version now accepts some .xpm's, more stuff like unknown-horizons should get appstream metadata now
[10:38] <Laney> Later
[10:38] <Laney> I know about the changes, but thanks for the reminder
[10:40] <jbicha> thanks
[12:17] <GunnarHj> Hi seb128, I saw pitti's forward of my email about language pack updates. Do you think it's doable within the next 24 hours?
[13:20] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: -l10n uploaded directly to -prereleases. libreoffice pkg copy over from -staging w/o rebuild.
[13:24] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: sorry I didn't read your yesterday's request...
[13:24] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: no it only fixed icon: stanza...
[13:24] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: desktop one is buggy too, I wanted to look at it
[13:24] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho OK, thanks.
[13:24] <flexiondotorg> Yeah, I thought the desktop stanza should support multiple entries.
[13:25] <Trevinho> not only, it has also some problems in handling them
[13:26] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, not sure maybe I can get it done tomorrow but need to look at my notes from before holidays and get familiar again wtih the tools and we need a new key generated and put in place on launchpad, might take a few days ... better to update the schedule to next week if you can
[13:29] <BLu2> Will Unity 8 have a native blue light filter?
[13:31] <seb128> BLu2, hey, you can try #ubuntu-unity but it's probably not something on the current roadmap, would be nice to have but there are other things missing to do before
[13:40] <GunnarHj> seb128: NP, I've changed it to next week. As a reciprocation, any chance you can sponsor bug #1655782? ;) (I have updated the proposal to xkeyboard-config 2.19.)
[13:40] <seb128> oh right, I said I would have a look to that one
[13:41] <seb128> GunnarHj, I can do this afternoon yes
[13:41] <GunnarHj> seb128: Thanks. :)
[13:42] <GunnarHj> seb128: Btw, what about opening translations for zesty?
[13:43] <seb128> GunnarHj, +1 for that, I tried to ping wgrant about that before holidays but he never replied, maybe you can try as well?
[13:44] <BLu2> seb128, ok nice, I really got used to it on Android and Redshift on Ubuntu
[13:46] <seb128> BLu2, would be nice to have for sure
[13:47] <BLu2> seb128, and maybe give some apps the option to escape it, like video players
[13:50] <GunnarHj> seb128: I did so last cycle but didn't get a reply. :( Do you know if unmarking the check boxes at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/zesty/+translations-admin is sufficient, or is there more into it?
[13:51] <seb128> GunnarHj, there is more, let's try asking on #launchpad?
[13:52] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok.
[13:56] <Laney> upsssssssssssssss
[14:00] <seb128> Laney, what did you do? ;-)
[14:05] <Laney> seb128: used the indicator-datetime calendar >:(
[14:05] <seb128> crashed compiz?
[14:05] <Laney> u-p-s
[14:06] <Laney> Trevinho: did we talk before about making things wants instead of requires of unity7.service?
[14:07] <Laney> taking down unity because u-p-s crashes sucks
[14:07] <Laney> https://paste.debian.net/912191/
[14:07] <seb128> we take down unity on ups segfaults?
[14:07] <seb128> seems buggy indeed
[14:07] <Laney> yeah because unity7.service has requires on ups
[14:08] <seb128> your log has a compiz segfault though
[14:08] <seb128> kernel: compiz[7561]: segfault at 20 ip 00007fb9ab38834c sp 00007ffcb904aff0 error 4 in libunityshell.so[7fb9aaf8e000+5df000]
[14:08] <Laney> looks to me like that happens when it's being stopped
[14:08] <seb128> could be
[14:08] <seb128> do you have bts/apport files for those segfaults?
[14:09] <Laney> yep running ubuntu-bug on that shit now
[14:09] <seb128> it's on zesty?
[14:09] <Laney> umm
[14:09] <Laney> not sure i've dist-upgraded here actually
[14:09] <Laney> nah 16.10
[14:09] <seb128> k
[14:09] <Laney> still has the requires on zesty tho
[14:10]  * Laney can't remember how to make apport file a launchpad bug
[14:11] <Laney> guess I have to edit that config file
[14:13] <Laney> bah, out of date packages
[14:13]  * Laney needs to eat, back sooooooooooon
[14:15] <seb128> enjoy!
[14:41] <Trevinho> Laney: hey, so... there was some discussion
[14:44] <Trevinho> But yeah it's better not to make crash unity in that way...
[14:45] <Trevinho> Instead we wanted to change things when unity was locked, but... that was some idea which probably it's not worth to do now
[15:00] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you?
[15:22] <Laney> hey Trevinho
[15:22] <Trevinho> hey seb128 and Laney
[15:22] <Trevinho> seb128: good, you?
[15:22] <Trevinho> Just distracted from IRC these days... :-)
[15:23] <seb128> Trevinho, distracted by useful work right? ;-) I'm good as well thanks!
[15:23] <Laney> tsk
[15:23] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho, when do you get in Brussel on friday?
[15:23] <Laney> desrt: omg I just remembered
[15:23] <Trevinho> seb128: sure... I'm just lost in scripts and code :-)
[15:23] <Laney> someone sung Barrett's Privateers at folk club last week
[15:23] <Trevinho> seb128: I'll be at about 4 I guess
[15:23] <Laney> seb128: like 1800
[15:24] <Trevinho> seb128: you?
[15:24] <seb128> Trevinho, don't forget your flight!
[15:24] <Trevinho> seb128: eheh, no a friend of mine will be with me, and he won't ignore it for sure :-)
[15:24] <seb128> Trevinho, not decided yet, I need to book a train ticket but there are going hourly, that's why I was asking
[15:24] <seb128> I'm probably going to try to arrive around 17h
[15:24] <Laney> will you get to centraal?
[15:24] <Trevinho> ok good
[15:24] <Laney> or midi?
[15:24] <seb128> which is best?
[15:24] <Laney> centraal is closer
[15:24] <Laney> don't know if you get a choice though
[15:25] <seb128> I never know, I think trains go to midi but centraal is the previous stop
[15:25] <Laney> eurostar goes to midi
[15:25] <desrt> Laney: cool!
[15:25] <Laney> it's like 10 minutes walk from there
[15:25] <Trevinho> I'll be midi, as I'll fly ryanair....
[15:25] <Laney> desrt: remembered you trying to teach us it by the river in heidelberg
[15:25]  * desrt arrives at midi
[15:25] <Laney> remembered a couple of the lines anyway
[15:25] <desrt> :D
[15:26] <Laney> and then sherbrooke reminded me of highvoltage and stgraber
[15:26] <desrt> i arrive 15:35 friday
[15:26] <desrt> wrong sherbrooke, actually
[15:26] <Laney> ah man
[15:26] <Laney> that should be illegal
[15:26] <desrt> fwiw, you're not the only confused one
[15:27] <desrt> the use of 'sherbrooke' in that song is an anachronism
[15:27] <Laney> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherbrooke_(disambiguation)
[15:27] <Laney> wtf
[15:32]  * Laney should probably upgrade off oldstable before it becomes oldoldstable
[15:36] <Laney> our neighbours are moving today
[15:36] <Laney> they keep giving us things that they can't fit in the moving van
[15:36] <Laney> bonus
[15:37] <seb128> "here, take that bag of cold coins"
[15:37] <seb128> right? ;-)
[15:38] <Laney> haha
[15:38] <Laney> that would be quite heavy ...
[15:38] <Laney> i'd be willing to do that favour for them
[15:40] <seb128> :-)
[15:49] <jcastro> Sweet5hark: This new notebookview for LO is really slick
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> jcastro: yes, and thats just the start ;)
[15:51] <jcastro> I have some dumb questions for ya
[15:52] <Sweet5hark> jcastro: shoot
[15:52] <jcastro> in the --edge version, when I file open, it still sends me to /snap/blah, am I doing something wrong?
[15:53] <Sweet5hark> jcastro: hmm, that might actually be a left-over patch.
[15:54] <jcastro> ok and part 2 of that, I assume over the next few X this will trickle down to the stable channel? Solve for X. :)
[15:56] <jcastro> I also see some people recommending --devmode on omgubuntu but I don't think that's right anymore?
[16:05] <Sweet5hark> jcastro: so 5.3.0.3 = 5.3.0 final snaps are currently building on launchpad (will autopopulate to edge). once that completes and show not obvious huge desaster it will be copied over to stable for amd64 and armhf.
[16:05] <Sweet5hark> jcastro: i386 is on hold. something is broken there.
[16:05] <jcastro> <3
[16:05] <BLu2> How will games be handled in future Ubuntu releases? will there be a "game window"/"game mode" or does every snap create it's own instance? Because stuff like Openbroadcaster etc
[16:06] <Sweet5hark> jcastro: (note we did not have i386 snap build on stable before, so this is not a regression)
[16:06] <Sweet5hark> and yes: --devmode should be obsolete now.
[16:06] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, are there stats about the need for armhf builds?
[16:08] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: well, given that snaps are supposed to completely replace dpkgs one day, that is not really about stats but rather dogmatic AFAICS.
[16:09] <Sweet5hark> FWIW, armhf port wasnt too much of an extra pain anyway up to now.
[16:10] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, ok, I thought about flipping this switch in the ppa for some time
[18:33] <willcooke> night all