[06:18] <Meseekly> hello
[06:19] <Meseekly> is anyone about for help?
[06:20] <Meseekly> hi.
[07:03] <Meseekly> hello?
[07:04] <Meseekly> I was hoping for some assistance, no one is available?
[12:26] <Orka> hi, i try to install touch but i briqued it
[12:27] <Orka> i open it and i have two pin VCOM and AVDD... i would like know if that is the tty pin ?
[12:27] <Orka> for try to unbrick
[12:29] <Orka> it's an mpman 702 if i don't miss
[12:29] <Orka> misstake
[12:30] <Orka> please try to help me for acces to this tablette... may be an url or else for know more about...
[12:31] <Orka> i'm waiting
[12:33] <zzarr> hello! what parts of the kernel that 3.14 don't have does systemd require?
[13:34] <Orka> ok i have env 5V and 8V on this pin... it's serial tty or usb tty ??
[14:45] <mterry> kgunn: Mir works in virt-manager right?
[14:46] <mterry> But not VirtualBox?
[14:46] <kgunn> mterry: definitely works in VMM
[14:46] <kgunn> mterry: i think VirtBox relies on very old GEM model...and doesn't work
[14:47] <kgunn> mterry: VM i think can work with a workaround....
[14:49] <mterry> kgunn: bummer.  I was getting a black screen in VMM, and hoped it wasn't my fault  :P
[14:49] <kgunn> mterry: well...mir0.26 just released...so depends i suppose on what all you're attempting
[14:49] <kgunn> if snaps+debs...you might get issues
[14:49] <mterry> kgunn: just trying to get into u8 session
[14:50] <dobey> mterry: snap on classic in the vm?
[14:50] <kgunn> so system compositor (deb) mir isn't matching the mir inside the u8-session snap
[14:51] <dobey> try apt update && apt upgrade in the host system
[14:51] <kgunn> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1661216
[14:51] <dobey> or i guess you are updated, which is why it broke, because the snap is older
[14:53] <mterry> dobey: snap on classic in the VM, yes
[14:53] <mterry> I thought I had updated.  Will double confirm
[14:53] <dobey> mterry: yeah you did. that's why it broke. you'll need the new snap version when it's done rebuilding
[14:53] <mterry> dobey: ah  :P
[14:54] <mterry> thx
[14:54] <dobey> ted just started a snap rebuild a few minutes ago
[15:47] <mterry> Snap uploads from LP to store are timing out again...  I've been retrying for a while, maybe I'll get through.  But heads up
[16:21] <mterry> Yikes, went through after like 6 retries
[16:22] <ogra_> mterry, well, see kalikiana in #snappy or SweetShark on #snappy-internal ...
[16:22] <ogra_> seems you are not alone
[16:23] <mterry> :-/
[16:23] <ubang4bucks> whats the mater mterry?
[16:24] <ubang4bucks> is ubuntu-touch able to run on generic android devices?
[16:25] <mcphail> ubang4bucks: It would need ported to an individual device, which seems like a non-trivial endeavour
[16:26]  * ogra_ wonders what a "generic android device" is ... isnt that a contradiction in itself ?? 
[16:26] <mcphail> "generic" and "android" sets do not intersect
[16:26] <ogra_> yeah
[16:27] <ubang4bucks> the same can be said for the pc world
[16:27] <ogra_> not really
[16:27] <dobey> well, sure
[16:27] <ubang4bucks> you want to start discusion?
[16:27] <ubang4bucks> ogra_: ?
[16:27] <dobey> but there's only macs and generic x86
[16:27] <ogra_> you dont need to recompile half of the OS to run the same OS on a desktop PC and on a laptop
[16:28] <ogra_> (as long as both are x86 at least)
[16:28] <ubang4bucks> why do you need to recompile?
[16:28] <dobey> so really only two bootloaders you have to deal with
[16:28] <ogra_> ask google
[16:28] <ogra_> they designed android that way
[16:29] <dobey> you don't need to recompile everything
[16:29] <ogra_> large chunks though
[16:29] <ubang4bucks> you only need to recompile for difrent cpus
[16:30] <dobey> no, you need specific kernels for specific android devices, for their specific binary drivers to work
[16:30] <ogra_> and specific android versions
[16:30] <dobey> and then you need some specific services in an android base system for that to work
[16:30] <dobey> and then the hbyris layer to support those android versions
[16:31] <ogra_> you cant just mix-mash android 4.4 and 6.x bits
[16:31] <dobey> well you can
[16:31] <ogra_> heh
[16:31] <ogra_> sure, but they might not be functional
[16:31] <dobey> plenty of devices still running kernel 3.4 with android 6.x system
[16:31] <ogra_> oh, i meantr the services you referred to
[16:31] <ubang4bucks> why would you compile 4.4 since the last one is 6
[16:31] <dobey> and that's devices from manufacturers
[16:32] <ogra_> ubang4bucks, because there is no port of 6x to the particular device you want to use ?
[16:32] <dobey> current android is 7
[16:32] <ubang4bucks> but 6 is must used
[16:32] <ubang4bucks> most
[16:32] <ogra_> ubang4bucks, so show me an image for my galaxy s2
[16:33] <dobey> well 7 has only been out a couple months, and was held back to be special for google's new phones
[16:33] <dobey> but it doesn't matter
[16:33] <dobey> there is no generic android image that you can just throw on any device
[16:33] <ogra_> right
[16:33] <dobey> it doesn't exist. it will never exist
[16:33] <ogra_> that was my initial point
[16:33] <ubang4bucks> not on any device but focus on the most popular
[16:34] <ubang4bucks> ´cheaper
[16:34] <ubang4bucks> like mtk
[16:34] <ogra_> even there
[16:34] <dobey> nope
[16:34] <dobey> every device is different
[16:34] <mcphail> ubang4bucks: ARM is hell
[16:34] <ubang4bucks> theres lots of mtk devices that have the same hardware
[16:34] <ogra_> mcphail, only android ARM
[16:35] <mcphail> ogra_: tell that to my sheevaplug
[16:35] <ogra_> the general linux world is pretty advanced in that regard nowadays
[16:35] <dobey> ogra_: it's just it's own special level of hell
[16:36] <ubang4bucks> you must be working for google since you paint such a bleak image of this projet as to get everyone leaving it feeling like its impossible
[16:36] <ogra_> the ubuntu geneic kenrel or even mainline has support for like 40 boards nowadays ... userspace is generic ... so all you need is a device specific bootloader
[16:37] <ogra_> that has improved massively over the last 10 years
[16:37] <ubang4bucks> so why dont you just stfu if you got nothing positive to say?
[16:37] <ogra_> it used to be as bad as android though
[16:37] <dobey> dude.
[16:37] <ogra_> ubang4bucks, please tame your language
[16:37] <mcphail> ubang4bucks: stfu? seriously?
[16:37] <ubang4bucks> go to #android
[16:38] <dobey> that's where you should be. you keep talking about it. this channel is about ubuntu, and there is a code of conduct for it
[16:38] <dobey> telling people to "stfu" is not in line with that coc
[16:40] <ubang4bucks> i know your type
[16:40] <ubang4bucks> if you could you get everyone in here baned
[16:40]  * mcphail tweaks ubang4bucks' chubby cheeks. Settle down, sweetheart
[16:43] <ubang4bucks> dont touch my cheeks
[16:43] <ubang4bucks> ill bit your finger off
[16:43] <NeKit> ubang4bucks, why don't you try it yourself then?
[16:43] <NeKit> to get it running on generic MTK device
[16:44] <dobey> if only cyanogenmod had done that before, maybe they'd still be around, right?
[16:45] <brunch875> I wonder if jumping to devices such as a fairphone would solve this issue
[16:45] <ubang4bucks> cause i dont wanna waste my life bashing away at a terminal
[16:45] <brunch875> I really do not like the state of android and the EOL kernels
[16:46] <brunch875> now this is pretty techy, so I doubt the average user would even care
[16:46] <dobey> brunch875: i guess not
[16:47] <brunch875> No wonder why mr Torvalds is always so angry :-)
[16:47] <ubang4bucks> ubuntu touch phone costs an arm and a leg and then you wonder why isnt ubuntu running on phones geting any traction
[16:48] <ogra_> nobody expects it to get any traction
[16:48] <ogra_> it is not aiming at the mass market
[16:48] <ogra_> (yet)
[16:48] <ubang4bucks> somebody does or they woulnt be working on it
[16:48] <brunch875> ubang4bucks: it has cost me as much as its android counterpart, are you sure of this?
[16:49] <brunch875> the aquaris e4.5 ubuntu edition is the aquaris e4.5 after all
[16:49] <ogra_> same goes for the other decvices ...
[16:49] <brunch875> I'm personally really happy about it
[16:49] <ubang4bucks> how much?
[16:50] <dobey> cost of a retail ubuntu phone is in parity with cost of same phone with android on it
[16:50] <brunch875> well, the hardware was about 170€ if I remember correctly
[16:50] <ubang4bucks> i got my for 50
[16:50] <mcphail> Pretty sure my Ubuntu phone was about 150 Euros. Not an arm and a leg. more of a tip of the spleen
[16:50] <brunch875> the point is, you buy the android phone and you install ubuntu on it
[16:51] <ubang4bucks> if i had 170€ to wast i would buy a ny cpu for my desktop or grafic card
[16:51] <mcphail> ubang4bucks: or a new keyboard where all the letters work
[16:51] <ubang4bucks> brunch875: the real point would be dual booting
[16:51] <brunch875> you're missing the point, ubang4bucks. The ubuntu part of the phone is technically free
[16:51] <brunch875> and dual booting already exists
[16:52] <dobey> dual booting a phone is not nice
[16:52] <ubang4bucks> dobey: say something positve for a change
[16:52] <dobey> dual booting a PC these days, is not nice either
[16:52] <brunch875> ^That I agree more
[16:53] <raph_ael> dual booting is always a pain
[16:53] <dobey> ubang4bucks: i am positive you are wrong.
[16:53] <dobey> :)
[16:53]  * ogra_ hasnt dual booted anything in like 15 years ... whatcha talking about ? 
[16:53] <dobey> ogra_: the most asked question on askubuntu, apparently
[16:53] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[16:54] <raph_ael> I got my nexus 4 for something like 70€ more than a year ago, quite cheap but the battery life is not great with ubuntu
[16:54] <ubang4bucks> dualbooting is the only way not to lose void your device warranty
[16:54]  * mcphail chokes
[16:54]  * brunch875 as well
[16:54] <raph_ael> ogra_: I don't do neither
[16:54] <ubang4bucks> but you keep pushing your way down peoples throats
[16:54] <dobey> if you're worried about warranty, dual booting isn't going to save you there
[16:54] <ogra_> ubang4bucks, except that you void it when installing the dual-boot mechanism (which usually means cracking the bootloader)
[16:55] <brunch875> ubang4bucks: you can already dualboot ubuntu, but that's as bad simply installing it
[16:55] <ubang4bucks> actually my bootloadr can be unloked
[16:55] <brunch875> besides, the european comission probably doesn't look kindly onto the "void warranty on reflashing"
[16:56] <dobey> actually it doesn't matter; you would still have to build an image specific to your device, and in a way that would work for dual booting, if you want to dual boot
[16:56] <popey> Is this the 5 minute argument or the full half hour?
[16:56] <dobey> popey: it's the trollololololololol version
[16:57] <mcphail> From hancock to Python in one swoop
[16:57] <ubang4bucks> popey: with this kind of opposition it might take 5weeks
[16:57] <raph_ael> if you don't want to lose the garanty of your phone, don't touch the os, that's like it for now, no need for arguing
[16:57] <ogra_> popey, it is the moment where everyone considers talking about something more positive ... like donald trump
[16:57] <ogra_> :)
[16:58] <popey> Is there going to be a Godwin's law for trump I wonder.
[16:58] <ogra_> i just introduced it
[16:58] <dobey> no. no there isn't
[16:58] <ubang4bucks> you wont lose warranty if you can reflash back the original image
[16:58] <raph_ael> popey: he's a kind of living godwin point
[16:59] <raph_ael> ubang4bucks: till you reflash it bad and get an ungarantied brick
[16:59] <mcphail> ubang4bucks: I like you. I like your optimism
[16:59] <brunch875> "Hey, I want to return this laptop, the hard drive makes funny noises" -"No, sorry, you installed linux and the warranty is voided"
[16:59]  * ogra_ wipes the coffee of the kbd
[16:59] <dobey> ubang4bucks: nobody is going to cede to your point, because we've all been down this road already
[17:00] <brunch875> I'm sure that'd count as scam
[17:00] <brunch875> and I think likewise about phones
[17:00] <dobey> brunch875: good luck swapping out a new hard drive in your phone :)
[17:01] <ubang4bucks> you can swap the memory card
[17:02] <ubang4bucks> you would install ubuntu on to the flash card and bot it from there
[17:02] <popey> get your soldering iron out
[17:02] <ubang4bucks> juyst like you do with usb pen on the pc
[17:03] <brunch875> ubang4bucks: hopefully that day will come some day
[17:03] <ogra_> some day ...
[17:03] <raph_ael> memory cards and usb sticks are not good for an os use
[17:03] <ubang4bucks> says you
[17:04] <ubang4bucks> puppie lunix knoppix  and other beg to differ
[17:04] <popey> how many billion knoppix phones are there?
[17:04] <raph_ael> knoppix is a live system
[17:05] <brunch875> ubuntu runs pretty well on usb3.0, too!
[17:05]  * mcphail chokes again
[17:05] <mcphail> must be beer o'clock...
[17:05] <raph_ael> live systems are not meant to stay days long alive with heavy files usage
[17:05] <popey> YES!
[17:05] <ogra_> brunch875, does run knoppix on usb3.0 phones though ?
[17:05] <ogra_> *does knoppix run
[17:05] <popey> -!- abeato [~abeato@16.red-83-54-225.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: DISGUSTED]
[17:06] <brunch875> usb3.0 phones?
[17:06] <ogra_> knoppix ?
[17:06]  * ogra_ grins
[17:06] <raph_ael> maybe we'll see people hanging their laptop like cellphones to phone on streets :)
[17:06] <brunch875> I've only *heard* about knoppix before
[17:07] <raph_ael> Knoppix was my first linux in 1999
[17:07] <ubang4bucks> slax
[17:07] <brunch875> my first was fedora
[17:07] <raph_ael> and well it was really not meant to be installed at this time (broke everything at updates)
[17:07] <popey> Corel here :)
[17:07] <ogra_> wow
[17:08] <ogra_> corel ...
[17:08] <raph_ael> popey: fun, it was my first live CD try in 98 :)
[17:08] <raph_ael> got it in a linux magazine
[17:08] <ogra_> that was a beautiful thing back then
[17:08] <popey> Yeah, I got mine in a fat book
[17:08] <raph_ael> ogra_: indeed it was impressing for the time
[17:09] <ogra_> mine was slackware on 14 floppies ... copied from a friend
[17:09] <dobey> further down the sprial i see :)
[17:09] <ogra_> (there were no CDs at that time)
[17:09] <ubang4bucks> mine was coyote linux from one floppy
[17:09] <brunch875> I remember the compiz cube, made me love linux. I'd only dual boot to windows to play games. But then wine matured and our Lord Gaben brought us more games
[17:09] <raph_ael> maybe I tried some redhat before Corel, but almost at the same period
[17:10] <popey> in 30 years, my (now) son 10 year old will be telling his friends via holographic irc that his first Linux was Android :S
[17:10] <ogra_> haha
[17:10] <brunch875> gnu-tears :p
[17:10] <dobey> haha, 30 years
[17:11] <popey> (only because then he'll be similar age to me now)
[17:12] <dobey> that's not why i'm laughing at that ;)
[17:14] <ubang4bucks> get over your middle age crisis you losers
[17:14] <ogra_> language ... (again) ...
[17:14] <ogra_> please keep it friendly ubang4bucks
[17:14] <ubang4bucks> lul
[17:15] <ubang4bucks> like you ogra_?
[17:15] <raph_ael> ubang4bucks: you're on irc and not counting your billions with Mr Trump, you are a loser too
[17:16] <ogra_> raph_ael, same goes to you ... that language isnt appropriate in ubuntu channels
[17:16] <ubang4bucks> i dont score based on money
[17:16] <ubang4bucks> only losers do
[17:16] <dobey> just on how well you troll ubuntu irc channels and get banned?
[17:16] <ogra_> ha
[17:16] <raph_ael> ogra_: indeed, it was just sarcastic
[17:16] <ogra_> yeah i got that :)
[17:17] <popey> So, do we have any positive steps forward coming from this super conversation?
[17:17] <popey> Action items anyone?
[17:17] <popey> Shall we meet again next week and fix everything?
[17:17]  * ogra_ has an action item ... 
[17:17] <ubang4bucks> i count my score based on ubuntu badges
[17:17] <ogra_> - beer
[17:17] <popey> ogra_: is it liquid?
[17:17] <popey> hah
[17:17] <brunch875> hahaha
[17:17] <raph_ael> to be positive, I had to switch back to android for a few weeks, going back to ubuntu touch was great
[17:18] <dobey> ubang4bucks is jono?
[17:19] <ubang4bucks> no im not Japanese
[17:20] <dobey> neither is jono
[17:20] <ubang4bucks> sound japanese to me
[17:21] <ubang4bucks> and you all know how japanese loves badges
[17:22] <NeKit> whom is possible to ask about Ubuntu Tablet hardware adaptation?
[17:22] <NeKit> I wonder why Bluetooth stack was backported from newer kernel
[17:23] <dobey> bluez 5 was needed to get bluetooth 4 (ble) to work
[17:23] <ogra_> most likely because the old one was missing support for bluez5
[17:24] <NeKit> I see, so for bluez 4 old one should be fine?
[17:24] <ogra_> except that you wont find an ubuntu image with 4 anymore
[17:24] <dobey> ubang4bucks: racism is also not acceptable.
[17:25] <ubang4bucks> dobey: why are you a racist?
[17:25] <NeKit> how HCI serial is enabled on MTK?
[17:26] <ubang4bucks> i knew a black japanese cool guy
[17:27] <mcphail> What have I missed? Jono loves badgers?
[17:28] <dobey> if you continue with the language and such comments, i will ask that you be banned
[17:28] <dobey> mcphail: jono created the ubuntu badges/trophies thing
[17:28] <ubang4bucks> maybe pointing out that a black japanese was a cool guy is being derogative to all the other white japanese?
[17:28] <brunch875> come on, ubang4bucks, the game gets old quick. We welcome you here either way
[17:29] <NeKit> I mean, is hciattach used for MediaTek to attach it to BlueZ?
[17:29] <ubang4bucks> at least in dobey prejudiced book of irc laws
[17:29] <k1l_> ubang4bucks: stop that. the code of conduct applies in here too
[17:29] <mcphail> ubang4bucks: aww. You were doing so well. Thought you were going to be one of the cute trolls. Thought you were a "keeper"
[17:30] <ubang4bucks> just cause trolls are in charge here dosent make them any less of a trolls
[17:31] <ubang4bucks> and names some one a troll is pretty damn racist in my book
[17:31] <mcphail> mcphail: i apologise to yrollkind
[17:31] <dobey> yeah
[17:31] <dobey> sigh
[17:32] <mcphail> Wasn't as much fun as studio_. He was the best
[17:32] <ogra_> +1
[17:32] <brunch875> studio_ seemed to be genuinely in distress
[17:33] <dobey> he was not
[17:33] <ogra_> (though studio started getting annoying when he starts chasing us in provate telling us what we need to implement in the platform to please him)
[17:33] <ogra_> *started
[17:33] <dobey> no, he started getting annoying when we had to answer the same question 50 times
[17:33] <ogra_> that was actually funny (at times) :)
[17:33] <brunch875> yeah, it seemed more greed and confusion than ill-intent
[17:34] <k1l_> studio_ really thought he was helping
[17:34] <ogra_> true
[19:08] <sergiusens> wow, studio, that brought back memories
[19:22] <dobey> heh
[21:53] <Guest81742> hi
[21:53] <Guest81742>  is anyone here?
[21:53] <Guest81742> ....?.?