=== salem_ is now known as _salem [06:18] hello [06:19] is anyone about for help? [06:20] hi. [07:03] hello? [07:04] I was hoping for some assistance, no one is available? === JanC is now known as Guest98802 === JanC_ is now known as JanC === marcusto_ is now known as marcustomlinson === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:26] hi, i try to install touch but i briqued it [12:27] i open it and i have two pin VCOM and AVDD... i would like know if that is the tty pin ? [12:27] for try to unbrick [12:29] it's an mpman 702 if i don't miss [12:29] misstake [12:30] please try to help me for acces to this tablette... may be an url or else for know more about... [12:31] i'm waiting [12:33] hello! what parts of the kernel that 3.14 don't have does systemd require? [13:34] ok i have env 5V and 8V on this pin... it's serial tty or usb tty ?? === ara_ is now known as ara === ara is now known as Guest84900 === bfiller_ is now known as bfiller === marcusto_ is now known as marcustomlinson [14:45] kgunn: Mir works in virt-manager right? [14:46] But not VirtualBox? [14:46] mterry: definitely works in VMM [14:46] mterry: i think VirtBox relies on very old GEM model...and doesn't work [14:47] mterry: VM i think can work with a workaround.... [14:49] kgunn: bummer. I was getting a black screen in VMM, and hoped it wasn't my fault :P [14:49] mterry: well...mir0.26 just released...so depends i suppose on what all you're attempting [14:49] if snaps+debs...you might get issues [14:49] kgunn: just trying to get into u8 session [14:50] mterry: snap on classic in the vm? [14:50] so system compositor (deb) mir isn't matching the mir inside the u8-session snap [14:51] try apt update && apt upgrade in the host system [14:51] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1661216 [14:51] Ubuntu bug 1661216 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "black screen with unity8 session snap" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:51] or i guess you are updated, which is why it broke, because the snap is older [14:53] dobey: snap on classic in the VM, yes [14:53] I thought I had updated. Will double confirm [14:53] mterry: yeah you did. that's why it broke. you'll need the new snap version when it's done rebuilding [14:53] dobey: ah :P [14:54] thx [14:54] ted just started a snap rebuild a few minutes ago [15:47] Snap uploads from LP to store are timing out again... I've been retrying for a while, maybe I'll get through. But heads up [16:21] Yikes, went through after like 6 retries [16:22] mterry, well, see kalikiana in #snappy or SweetShark on #snappy-internal ... [16:22] seems you are not alone [16:23] :-/ [16:23] whats the mater mterry? [16:24] is ubuntu-touch able to run on generic android devices? [16:25] ubang4bucks: It would need ported to an individual device, which seems like a non-trivial endeavour [16:26] * ogra_ wonders what a "generic android device" is ... isnt that a contradiction in itself ?? [16:26] "generic" and "android" sets do not intersect [16:26] yeah [16:27] the same can be said for the pc world [16:27] not really [16:27] well, sure [16:27] you want to start discusion? [16:27] ogra_: ? [16:27] but there's only macs and generic x86 [16:27] you dont need to recompile half of the OS to run the same OS on a desktop PC and on a laptop [16:28] (as long as both are x86 at least) [16:28] why do you need to recompile? [16:28] so really only two bootloaders you have to deal with [16:28] ask google [16:28] they designed android that way [16:29] you don't need to recompile everything [16:29] large chunks though [16:29] you only need to recompile for difrent cpus [16:30] no, you need specific kernels for specific android devices, for their specific binary drivers to work [16:30] and specific android versions [16:30] and then you need some specific services in an android base system for that to work [16:30] and then the hbyris layer to support those android versions [16:31] you cant just mix-mash android 4.4 and 6.x bits [16:31] well you can [16:31] heh [16:31] sure, but they might not be functional [16:31] plenty of devices still running kernel 3.4 with android 6.x system [16:31] oh, i meantr the services you referred to [16:31] why would you compile 4.4 since the last one is 6 [16:31] and that's devices from manufacturers [16:32] ubang4bucks, because there is no port of 6x to the particular device you want to use ? [16:32] current android is 7 [16:32] but 6 is must used [16:32] most [16:32] ubang4bucks, so show me an image for my galaxy s2 [16:33] well 7 has only been out a couple months, and was held back to be special for google's new phones [16:33] but it doesn't matter [16:33] there is no generic android image that you can just throw on any device [16:33] right [16:33] it doesn't exist. it will never exist [16:33] that was my initial point [16:33] not on any device but focus on the most popular [16:34] ´cheaper [16:34] like mtk [16:34] even there [16:34] nope [16:34] every device is different [16:34] ubang4bucks: ARM is hell [16:34] theres lots of mtk devices that have the same hardware [16:34] mcphail, only android ARM [16:35] ogra_: tell that to my sheevaplug [16:35] the general linux world is pretty advanced in that regard nowadays [16:35] ogra_: it's just it's own special level of hell [16:36] you must be working for google since you paint such a bleak image of this projet as to get everyone leaving it feeling like its impossible [16:36] the ubuntu geneic kenrel or even mainline has support for like 40 boards nowadays ... userspace is generic ... so all you need is a device specific bootloader [16:37] that has improved massively over the last 10 years [16:37] so why dont you just stfu if you got nothing positive to say? [16:37] it used to be as bad as android though [16:37] dude. [16:37] ubang4bucks, please tame your language [16:37] ubang4bucks: stfu? seriously? [16:37] go to #android [16:38] that's where you should be. you keep talking about it. this channel is about ubuntu, and there is a code of conduct for it [16:38] telling people to "stfu" is not in line with that coc [16:40] i know your type [16:40] if you could you get everyone in here baned [16:40] * mcphail tweaks ubang4bucks' chubby cheeks. Settle down, sweetheart [16:43] dont touch my cheeks [16:43] ill bit your finger off [16:43] ubang4bucks, why don't you try it yourself then? [16:43] to get it running on generic MTK device [16:44] if only cyanogenmod had done that before, maybe they'd still be around, right? [16:45] I wonder if jumping to devices such as a fairphone would solve this issue [16:45] cause i dont wanna waste my life bashing away at a terminal [16:45] I really do not like the state of android and the EOL kernels [16:46] now this is pretty techy, so I doubt the average user would even care [16:46] brunch875: i guess not [16:47] No wonder why mr Torvalds is always so angry :-) [16:47] ubuntu touch phone costs an arm and a leg and then you wonder why isnt ubuntu running on phones geting any traction [16:48] nobody expects it to get any traction [16:48] it is not aiming at the mass market [16:48] (yet) [16:48] somebody does or they woulnt be working on it [16:48] ubang4bucks: it has cost me as much as its android counterpart, are you sure of this? [16:49] the aquaris e4.5 ubuntu edition is the aquaris e4.5 after all [16:49] same goes for the other decvices ... [16:49] I'm personally really happy about it [16:49] how much? [16:50] cost of a retail ubuntu phone is in parity with cost of same phone with android on it [16:50] well, the hardware was about 170€ if I remember correctly [16:50] i got my for 50 [16:50] Pretty sure my Ubuntu phone was about 150 Euros. Not an arm and a leg. more of a tip of the spleen [16:50] the point is, you buy the android phone and you install ubuntu on it [16:51] if i had 170€ to wast i would buy a ny cpu for my desktop or grafic card [16:51] ubang4bucks: or a new keyboard where all the letters work [16:51] brunch875: the real point would be dual booting [16:51] you're missing the point, ubang4bucks. The ubuntu part of the phone is technically free [16:51] and dual booting already exists [16:52] dual booting a phone is not nice [16:52] dobey: say something positve for a change [16:52] dual booting a PC these days, is not nice either [16:52] ^That I agree more [16:53] dual booting is always a pain [16:53] ubang4bucks: i am positive you are wrong. [16:53] :) [16:53] * ogra_ hasnt dual booted anything in like 15 years ... whatcha talking about ? [16:53] ogra_: the most asked question on askubuntu, apparently [16:53] heh, yeah [16:54] I got my nexus 4 for something like 70€ more than a year ago, quite cheap but the battery life is not great with ubuntu [16:54] dualbooting is the only way not to lose void your device warranty [16:54] * mcphail chokes [16:54] * brunch875 as well [16:54] ogra_: I don't do neither [16:54] but you keep pushing your way down peoples throats [16:54] if you're worried about warranty, dual booting isn't going to save you there [16:54] ubang4bucks, except that you void it when installing the dual-boot mechanism (which usually means cracking the bootloader) [16:55] ubang4bucks: you can already dualboot ubuntu, but that's as bad simply installing it [16:55] actually my bootloadr can be unloked [16:55] besides, the european comission probably doesn't look kindly onto the "void warranty on reflashing" [16:56] actually it doesn't matter; you would still have to build an image specific to your device, and in a way that would work for dual booting, if you want to dual boot [16:56] Is this the 5 minute argument or the full half hour? === JanC_ is now known as JanC [16:56] popey: it's the trollololololololol version [16:57] From hancock to Python in one swoop [16:57] popey: with this kind of opposition it might take 5weeks [16:57] if you don't want to lose the garanty of your phone, don't touch the os, that's like it for now, no need for arguing [16:57] popey, it is the moment where everyone considers talking about something more positive ... like donald trump [16:57] :) [16:58] Is there going to be a Godwin's law for trump I wonder. [16:58] i just introduced it [16:58] no. no there isn't [16:58] you wont lose warranty if you can reflash back the original image [16:58] popey: he's a kind of living godwin point [16:59] ubang4bucks: till you reflash it bad and get an ungarantied brick [16:59] ubang4bucks: I like you. I like your optimism [16:59] "Hey, I want to return this laptop, the hard drive makes funny noises" -"No, sorry, you installed linux and the warranty is voided" [16:59] * ogra_ wipes the coffee of the kbd [16:59] ubang4bucks: nobody is going to cede to your point, because we've all been down this road already [17:00] I'm sure that'd count as scam [17:00] and I think likewise about phones [17:00] brunch875: good luck swapping out a new hard drive in your phone :) [17:01] you can swap the memory card [17:02] you would install ubuntu on to the flash card and bot it from there [17:02] get your soldering iron out [17:02] juyst like you do with usb pen on the pc [17:03] ubang4bucks: hopefully that day will come some day [17:03] some day ... [17:03] memory cards and usb sticks are not good for an os use [17:03] says you [17:04] puppie lunix knoppix and other beg to differ [17:04] how many billion knoppix phones are there? [17:04] knoppix is a live system [17:05] ubuntu runs pretty well on usb3.0, too! [17:05] * mcphail chokes again [17:05] must be beer o'clock... [17:05] live systems are not meant to stay days long alive with heavy files usage [17:05] YES! [17:05] brunch875, does run knoppix on usb3.0 phones though ? [17:05] *does knoppix run [17:05] -!- abeato [~abeato@16.red-83-54-225.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: DISGUSTED] [17:06] usb3.0 phones? [17:06] knoppix ? [17:06] * ogra_ grins [17:06] maybe we'll see people hanging their laptop like cellphones to phone on streets :) [17:06] I've only *heard* about knoppix before [17:07] Knoppix was my first linux in 1999 [17:07] slax [17:07] my first was fedora [17:07] and well it was really not meant to be installed at this time (broke everything at updates) [17:07] Corel here :) [17:07] wow [17:08] corel ... [17:08] popey: fun, it was my first live CD try in 98 :) [17:08] got it in a linux magazine [17:08] that was a beautiful thing back then [17:08] Yeah, I got mine in a fat book [17:08] ogra_: indeed it was impressing for the time [17:09] mine was slackware on 14 floppies ... copied from a friend [17:09] further down the sprial i see :) [17:09] (there were no CDs at that time) [17:09] mine was coyote linux from one floppy [17:09] I remember the compiz cube, made me love linux. I'd only dual boot to windows to play games. But then wine matured and our Lord Gaben brought us more games [17:09] maybe I tried some redhat before Corel, but almost at the same period [17:10] in 30 years, my (now) son 10 year old will be telling his friends via holographic irc that his first Linux was Android :S [17:10] haha [17:10] gnu-tears :p [17:10] haha, 30 years [17:11] (only because then he'll be similar age to me now) [17:12] that's not why i'm laughing at that ;) [17:14] get over your middle age crisis you losers [17:14] language ... (again) ... [17:14] please keep it friendly ubang4bucks [17:14] lul [17:15] like you ogra_? [17:15] ubang4bucks: you're on irc and not counting your billions with Mr Trump, you are a loser too [17:16] raph_ael, same goes to you ... that language isnt appropriate in ubuntu channels [17:16] i dont score based on money [17:16] only losers do [17:16] just on how well you troll ubuntu irc channels and get banned? [17:16] ha [17:16] ogra_: indeed, it was just sarcastic [17:16] yeah i got that :) [17:17] So, do we have any positive steps forward coming from this super conversation? [17:17] Action items anyone? [17:17] Shall we meet again next week and fix everything? [17:17] * ogra_ has an action item ... [17:17] i count my score based on ubuntu badges [17:17] - beer [17:17] ogra_: is it liquid? [17:17] hah [17:17] hahaha [17:17] to be positive, I had to switch back to android for a few weeks, going back to ubuntu touch was great [17:18] ubang4bucks is jono? [17:19] no im not Japanese [17:20] neither is jono [17:20] sound japanese to me [17:21] and you all know how japanese loves badges [17:22] whom is possible to ask about Ubuntu Tablet hardware adaptation? [17:22] I wonder why Bluetooth stack was backported from newer kernel [17:23] bluez 5 was needed to get bluetooth 4 (ble) to work [17:23] most likely because the old one was missing support for bluez5 [17:24] I see, so for bluez 4 old one should be fine? [17:24] except that you wont find an ubuntu image with 4 anymore [17:24] ubang4bucks: racism is also not acceptable. [17:25] dobey: why are you a racist? [17:25] how HCI serial is enabled on MTK? [17:26] i knew a black japanese cool guy [17:27] What have I missed? Jono loves badgers? [17:28] if you continue with the language and such comments, i will ask that you be banned [17:28] mcphail: jono created the ubuntu badges/trophies thing [17:28] maybe pointing out that a black japanese was a cool guy is being derogative to all the other white japanese? [17:28] come on, ubang4bucks, the game gets old quick. We welcome you here either way [17:29] I mean, is hciattach used for MediaTek to attach it to BlueZ? [17:29] at least in dobey prejudiced book of irc laws [17:29] ubang4bucks: stop that. the code of conduct applies in here too [17:29] ubang4bucks: aww. You were doing so well. Thought you were going to be one of the cute trolls. Thought you were a "keeper" [17:30] just cause trolls are in charge here dosent make them any less of a trolls [17:31] and names some one a troll is pretty damn racist in my book [17:31] mcphail: i apologise to yrollkind [17:31] yeah [17:31] sigh [17:32] Wasn't as much fun as studio_. He was the best [17:32] +1 [17:32] studio_ seemed to be genuinely in distress [17:33] he was not [17:33] (though studio started getting annoying when he starts chasing us in provate telling us what we need to implement in the platform to please him) [17:33] *started [17:33] no, he started getting annoying when we had to answer the same question 50 times [17:33] that was actually funny (at times) :) [17:33] yeah, it seemed more greed and confusion than ill-intent [17:34] studio_ really thought he was helping [17:34] true [19:08] wow, studio, that brought back memories [19:22] heh === xiinotulp is now known as plutoniix === mohammad is now known as Guest81742 [21:53] hi [21:53] is anyone here? [21:53] ....?.? === ahoneybun is now known as ahoneybun_