[07:32] <Unit193> flocculant: Do you use any Qt5 applications in Zesty?
[07:33] <flocculant> Unit193: not that I'm aware of - if you're seeing something odd I can install something to see here :)
[07:35] <Unit193> flocculant: Looks like the old "no style" theme, QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk isn't cutting it for me anymore.  In theory qt5-style-plugins should help, but that makes it unreadable for me.
[07:46] <flocculant> right = well not got any (or if I have) they're not behaving oddly
[12:01] <akxwi-dave> flocculant: bug 1660159  is also affecting ISO installs.. doesn't discover existing installs ..
[12:02] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: yea - that's why I said about keeping qa status as fail for the time being
[12:02] <flocculant> that bug will affect any system that has zesty running grub, other os installed, other os not mounted when os-prober runs
[12:06] <flocculant> ochosi Unit193 bluesabre - some more testing with thunar - removed the built from git and patches, installed from Unit193's ppa
[12:06] <flocculant> done what I did yesterday 4 times - no crashing
[12:07] <flocculant> also noticed that thunar is more responsive with the ppa package - yesterday while it was copying or moving opening folders was quite slow - significant enough for me to notice
[12:07] <bluesabre> flocculant, sounds promising :)
[12:07] <flocculant> that said it is definitely better than the previous version
[12:07] <flocculant> also
[12:08] <flocculant> the test ffrom the thunar bug - 1.txt etc - I had that running for 3 hours or so while away - that didn't crash either
[12:08] <flocculant> bluesabre: yup
[12:09] <flocculant> bluesabre: also did you see my question the other day re sru for the xfce/tv dying bug - possibility of? 
[12:10] <flocculant> bug 1308105
[12:13] <bluesabre> flocculant, I did, and that may indeed be SRU-worthy, haven't seen any significant regressions from that version
[12:14] <flocculant> ok thanks :)
[12:14] <flocculant> I also assume we'll be sru'ing thunar 
[12:15] <knome> ugh, i should run tests on the thunar PPA
[12:16] <flocculant> knome: that would be nice ;)
[12:21] <knome> indeed
[12:22] <knome> now where was the ppa again...
[12:23] <knome> there.
[12:23] <knome> wait, what, did the PPA page in launchpad change recently?
[12:24] <knome> oh nope
[12:25] <knome> aaand dist-upgrading
[12:47] <knome> well... i could still crash thunar
[12:48] <knome> or maybe that was still the old instance running
[12:48] <knome> can't reproduce easily after new launch - yay
[12:49] <knome> and now i can't reproduce the other bug at all
[12:49] <knome> this feels/looks good to me
[12:49] <knome> and yes, this is definitely SRU material
[14:29] <flocculant> I'll just run up a vm that should be big enough to check disk size requirement
[14:31] <flocculant> knome: ^^
[14:31] <knome> yup
[14:31] <knome> ta
[14:33] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: thanks for commenting :)
[14:34] <akxwi-dave> :-)
[14:50] <flocculant> knome: ok so this isn't quite as easy as it should be 
[14:51] <flocculant> installer currently not seeing existing install hence can't see the minimum - we can either wait to confirm 6.1 or see what yak says
[14:51] <knome> we have the time to wait if you are willing to do it :)
[14:52] <flocculant> well - that means wiating till the bug isn't a bug :p
[14:52] <knome> sure
[14:52] <knome> though obviously yak gives a decent idea what it is
[14:52] <flocculant> which might be something to do with this os-prober business or not *shrug*
[14:52] <knome> and this isn't "do it once, then need to run all over the place and handle bureucracy to change again", this is "we can update it later on need"
[14:52] <flocculant> knome: yea - I can run a yak up nowish
[15:04] <flocculant> got waylaid making sure the zesty thing is real :p
[15:05] <knome> :P
[15:08] <flocculant> knome: installing 16.10 alongside 17.04 allows me to make zesty 5.3 but only allows me to make 16.10 7 when resizing
[15:09] <flocculant> so I would say just change the 6.1 to 7 for now - we can as you say revisit 
[15:09] <knome> right...
[15:09] <knome> sigh, relogin
[15:10] <knome> there
[15:10] <flocculant> knome: maybe currently?
[15:10] <knome> no, proposed :P
[15:10] <knome> current is "old"
[15:10] <flocculant> ho ho ho 
[15:10] <knome> proposed is "to be current"
[15:10] <knome> oh
[15:10] <knome> nah
[15:11] <knome> i think that's implied
[15:11] <flocculant> well
[15:11] <knome> you currently need 512MB ram too
[15:11] <flocculant> lets not imply something then :p
[15:11] <knome> you might need 2gb if you run firefox :P
[15:11] <knome> and you currently need to support PAE
[15:11] <flocculant> might?
[15:11] <flocculant> ha 
[15:11] <knome> you migh need to support something else
[15:11] <knome> you get where i'm going
[15:11] <knome> so it's implied that you *currently* need that space :P
[15:12] <knome> we'll update as we go
[15:12] <knome> if somebody installs, say, 14.04, and the free space requirement is 6GB there, well... too bad 
[15:12] <knome> :P
[15:12] <knome> i mean it's not like somebody goes to the hardware store and buys a HDD that barely fits the operating system anyway
[15:13] <flocculant> of course not - anyway - 7Gb for now :p
[15:13] <knome> :P
[15:13]  * flocculant goes back to installing vm's 
[15:14] <knome> hf
[15:24] <flocculant> right - all done :)
[15:32] <flocculant> ochosi: I forgot about this issue - can't remember if you said what to report upstream against now ... bug 1658772
[15:32] <flocculant> got all tied up with notify and taskman and stuff
[15:47] <flocculant> knome: \o/
[15:47] <flocculant> zest resizing shows 7.2 so updated pad to 7.5
[15:53] <flocculant> anyone seen the changes to libreoffice which are posited ? notebookbar layout 
[15:55] <akxwi-dave> flocculant: zesty from Jan 26 uses an os prober that works fine..
[15:57] <akxwi-dave> http://imgur.com/a/45JEV
[15:57] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: ack - it all went a bit pete tong around there
[15:59] <flocculant> yea - 26th is when 1.73ubuntu1 landed - so we would likely still have had previous version when iso built
[15:59] <flocculant> well did as the update landed 7 hours later :p
[16:04] <knome> bbl
[16:05] <akxwi-dave> i have the 386 iso  and teh 64 from 25th
[16:05] <akxwi-dave> 386 from 25th
[16:06] <akxwi-dave> 26th sorry
[16:06] <akxwi-dave> for the 386
[16:15] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: 25th should work 
[16:16] <flocculant> our iso's should start to not work on the 27th
[16:16] <flocculant> that would be the first build with os-prober not working
[16:17] <flocculant> and s/25th/26th
[16:17] <flocculant> if you check out os-prober's changelog you can see date and time 
[16:18] <flocculant> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/o/os-prober/os-prober_1.73ubuntu3/changelog
[16:29] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: might be worth dropping a line to xub-dev re os-pober - hopefully we have more testers than we think we do :p
[20:11] <ochosi> flocculant: what's the latest status ofyour thunar testing?
[20:24] <flocculant> ochosi: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/02/02/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t12:06
[20:25] <flocculant> also comments from knoem re thunar 
[20:26] <flocculant> since then I've done a bit more heavy shifting about of media files
[20:26] <flocculant> I've had no crashes from thunar today using unit's ppa
[20:27] <flocculant> pretty sure that is the same as the git version so not sure why crashes yesterday but not today
[20:27] <flocculant> on the whole this is a whole lot better than it was last week :)
[21:12] <ochosi> Unit193: so what's really in your PPA? :)
[21:12] <flocculant> ha ha 
[21:12] <flocculant> I think it has added oomph 
[21:13] <Unit193> A virus.
[21:13] <Unit193> ochosi: It's the packaged version, plus the two upstream git commits (that we've been shipping), plus now these two patches.
[21:14] <ochosi> flocculant: what about this one? https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12264#c173
[21:14] <ochosi> also Unit193 ^
[21:14] <ochosi> (he updated the patch again for you)
[21:15] <ochosi> Unit193: or did you already include this version of the patch?
[21:16]  * flocculant realises he'd set that bug report to not annoy him ...
[21:16] <Unit193> ochosi: Nope.
[21:17] <flocculant> ochosi: if ppa didn't include that patch I guess I can redo the thing I did which crashed it
[21:17] <ochosi> k, please do so
[21:17] <ochosi> or maybe Unit193 can update the PPA
[21:17] <ochosi> i'd really love to push those patches to master...
[21:17] <flocculant> which patch is that replacing though? 
[21:18] <ochosi> the one from bugzilla
[21:18] <ochosi> (in your instructions)
[21:19] <ochosi> this one: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/attachment.cgi?id=6976
[21:20] <ochosi> it just adds a single line as far as i can see
[21:20] <ochosi> uhm, a little more than that
[21:20] <ochosi> diff tricked me
[21:20] <flocculant> ochosi: except change 6976 to 6978?
[21:21] <Unit193> Or just wait a couple minutes for mine to build...
[21:21] <ochosi> awesome, thanks Unit193 
[21:21] <Unit193> Also, since it seems to be done correctly, I could actually put it in xubuntu-staging...
[21:21] <flocculant> Unit193: I'll wait a few minutes then :)
[21:23]  * flocculant wanders away to find the kettle 
[21:29] <ochosi> maybe knome can also re-test
[21:29] <flocculant> genii: btw - the os-prober thing is only an issue if you've more than one install on a machine - it fails to see them
[21:29] <knome> re-test for what specifically?
[21:29] <flocculant> seems to have been a busy couple of weeks in here :)
[21:30] <flocculant> knome: I guess that the *new* patch doesn't regress somehow
[21:30] <knome> like new new?
[21:31] <knome> i tested one today, is there a newer one around?
[21:31] <ochosi> yup
[21:31] <flocculant> yea 
[21:31] <knome> oh, ok
[21:31] <knome> do we get it in xubuntu-staging ppa?
[21:31] <flocculant> one after I reported yesterday's crashing
[21:31] <ochosi> well ideally it also fixes flocculant's crash
[21:31] <Unit193> '1.6.10-2ubuntu3~16.10.0 '
[21:31] <knome> nothing fixes flocculant crashing, but ok
[21:31] <knome> ;)
[21:31] <Unit193> knome: And yeah, just pushed it there now.
[21:31] <knome> great
[21:31] <flocculant> that I couldn't replicate today
[21:31] <knome> do we need a test *today*?
[21:32] <knome> i mean i'll have some slack time tomorrow for sure
[21:32] <knome> and could do somewhat more extensive testing
[21:32] <flocculant> I can run what I've done lately to test when I see the updates
[21:33] <knome> i mean i can probably get a quick one in today
[21:34] <flocculant> well apparently no upgrade of thunar for me 
[21:35] <flocculant> oh great
[21:35] <flocculant> now I've got broken packages
[21:35] <knome> heh.
[21:36] <Unit193> PPA built them a bit ago, but still hasn't published..
[21:37] <Unit193> Nearly 10 minutes.
[21:37] <knome> oh oops, i'm a bit behind updates on the laptop...
[21:38] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging/+packages wait for the green checkmark.
[21:39] <Unit193> flocculant: Should be good now.
[21:41] <flocculant> Depends: thunar-data (= 1.6.10-2ubuntu2) but 1.6.10-2ubuntu3~17.04
[21:44] <flocculant> not sure what's going on with ppa's atm - think I'll be purging and re-adding tomorrow
[21:44] <flocculant> building thunar locally for now
[21:45] <flocculant> and that's bizarre - don't get the gitversion in thunar about
[21:55] <flocculant> redid it 
[21:56] <flocculant> Unit193: still got issues with upgrading after adding staging ppa - update says there's something to upgrade, but upgrade doesn't :)
[21:59] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - currently moving these iso's back and forth and at the same time it's doing the 1.txt to 1.txt.txt thing
[21:59] <knome> :)
[22:07] <flocculant> ochosi: I crashed it 
[22:07] <flocculant> it had moved them 3 times back and forth - 4th time it crashed
[22:08] <flocculant> it alsop lost track (unsurprisingly) of whether 1.txt was 1.txt.txt or not 
[22:10] <ochosi> so it's large files being moved back and forth that crashes it currently
[22:10] <ochosi> can you try whether that also crashes nautilus? :>
[22:10] <flocculant> largeish I guess 
[22:10] <ochosi> what's the frequency of the moving btw?
[22:10] <flocculant> how do you mean?
[22:11] <ochosi> how quickly do you move those isos around?
[22:11] <ochosi> i presume it's a terminal loop
[22:11] <flocculant> for the test?
[22:11] <ochosi> yeah
[22:11] <flocculant> no - manually in thunar with menus
[22:12] <flocculant> the txt to txt.txt was obviously - had sleep at 0.25 
[22:13] <flocculant> so this is where I am
[22:13] <flocculant> with yesterdays building it - I crashed it
[22:13] <flocculant> with yesterdays Unit193 ppa version - it didn't crash
[22:13] <flocculant> with todays building it - it crashed
[22:14] <flocculant> and I had time to do more moving about with the ppa version
[22:15] <flocculant> subjectively I would say that any of the 2 are better than before
[22:16] <ochosi> ok, good to know
[22:16] <ochosi> but still a little odd
[22:16] <flocculant> yea
[22:16] <ochosi> how the previous patch didn't crash and now it did
[22:16] <ochosi> a little too erratic
[22:16] <flocculant> no
[22:17] <flocculant> building it from git - with either set of patches - crashed
[22:17] <flocculant> installing from ppa (with the patches) didn't
[22:17] <flocculant> unless that's your meaning :)
[22:17] <ochosi> but i thought with the latest patch it crashed from the PPA as well
[22:18] <flocculant> I can't install from there - dependency issues
[22:18] <ochosi> oh :/
[22:18] <ochosi> wonder why
[22:18] <flocculant> *shrug*
[22:18] <ochosi> it's just the thunar package itself
[22:19] <Unit193> And I didn't change anything else.
[22:19] <flocculant> Depends: thunar-data (= 1.6.10-2ubuntu2) but 1.6.10-2ubuntu3~17.04
[22:19] <knome> Unit193's fauly.
[22:19] <knome> fault too
[22:19] <ochosi> anyway, please test the package again tomorrow or whenever you can to see whether thtat fixes the iso moving
[22:19] <ochosi> and then comment in the upstream bugreport
[22:19] <flocculant> the ppa package? 
[22:20] <Unit193> I pulled it from the x-stag one.
[22:20] <flocculant> we are talking about xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-staging here I assume
[22:21] <flocculant> Unit193: ^^
[22:21] <Unit193> Ayup.
[22:21] <flocculant> ok - just thought best to double check on that :)
[22:22] <ochosi> yeah, please test again with the ppa package whenever you can
[22:22] <flocculant> mmk
[22:23] <ochosi> thanks a bunch!
[22:23] <flocculant> I'm going to crash now though :)
[22:23] <flocculant> night all 
[22:23] <knome> nighty flocculant 
[22:23] <flocculant> ochosi: whatever I manage to do tomorrow - I'll comment on upstream bug 
[22:24] <flocculant> meant to ping r_a about lock tonight too - that'll have to wait :)
[22:25] <ochosi> okeydokey, night flocculant!
[22:45] <Unit193> ochosi: So to sum up: The package has: 029012f4c39d9d3d9ae617491a69f76f54a4192f, 77cf6ec3a3969589a4e9a8beea6a122b7dbcc2a0, 9c6dbb1dae7074e7713f43438f471d75c823a0db, f9e054872c7ddc065cd4008bb9e8ce1d364aeeed but does not have cb3a2343128d6eacf6338d485b7d671f291071e6, febb41736615d76d73bf8156290296e3de49349b, 9578e0dec5cee473222cb813b43de31067c604e2, 79fdf25f4200015c1808f7bbdfa3b3985381eb40.
[22:54] <knome> o.o
[22:54]  * Unit193 dots both eyes.
[22:54] <knome> ouch
[22:56] <Unit193> http://piratepad.be/p/thunar-bugs
[23:19] <Unit193> Status update given to Corsac.
[23:58] <knome> Unit193, can you remind me what we're pending on again with core/base?
[23:59] <Unit193> I don't even know at this point.  cdimage/the ubuntu live-config fork/something else?
[23:59] <knome> me neither...
[23:59] <Unit193> There's the simple one, the python one, and the bash one.
[23:59] <knome> i could look at the logs