[03:02] <zyklo> Hi, i've searched google and looked at Dolphin's settings but can't find anything. How can I show hidden files in dolphin?
[03:09] <sintre> alt +
[03:15] <Deryco> how do I install plasma 5.9 on 16.10
[03:16] <sintre> not sure if it been available long enough to be ported yet
[03:17] <Deryco> =(
[03:17] <sintre> what version are you currenting using
[03:18] <sintre> settings > system > info center
[03:18] <Deryco> well right this exact second I'm at my brothers on  windont 10 but 5.8
[03:19] <sintre> 5.8.5
[03:19] <sintre> is normall atm
[03:19] <sintre> that'll change as soon as it can
[03:20] <Deryco> I know just wanted to try the global menu do hickey out
[03:20] <sintre> well cnsidering it your brothers pc you might want to ask him
[03:20] <sintre> if you can play around with it
[03:21] <Deryco> Its windows was just looking into it for when I gt home
[03:21] <Deryco> he doesnt do the whole linux thing
[03:21] <sintre> still his computer
[03:21] <Deryco> Yeah I know
[03:21] <sintre> need to ask him if its ok to change anything
[03:22] <Deryco> I wasnt intending on doing anything to his machine
[03:23] <valorie> Deryco: we've uploaded 5.9 for zesty
[03:24] <valorie> I doubt we'll try to backport to 16.10
[03:24] <valorie> but I guess it's possible
[03:25] <valorie> our major push is getting zesty ready for release in April
[03:25] <Deryco> yeah ill just wait til then
[03:25] <valorie> I'm already running zesty (not yet plasma 5.9 though)
[03:25] <valorie> it's great!
[03:26] <Deryco> maybe ill upgrade when i get home
[03:26] <Deryco> =P
[03:26] <Deryco> i always like playing with the new gadgets and gizmoos
[03:27] <valorie> you can always try it in a VM and see if you like it enough to upgrade
[03:27] <Deryco> yeah but there is so much lag for me when I run VM's
[03:28] <valorie> we can always use more testers
[03:29] <Deryco> ill probably upgrade when i get home if its not too late
[07:44] <mactzu> hey guys, I need a hand with kio-extra and I assume this is effecting Krunner which keeps crashing
[08:00] <mactzu> Is this Channel active at all ?
[08:06] <acheronuk> !ask
[08:06] <acheronuk> !patience
[08:08] <mactzu> ok sorry
[08:08] <mactzu> !ask hey guys, I need a hand with kio-extra and I assume this is effecting Krunner which keeps crashing
[08:08] <mactzu> ubottu: ok
[08:11] <mactzu> !ask having conflict with Kio-extra packet http://termbin.com/rlup
[08:11] <mactzu> acheronuk: any idea ?
[08:12] <acheronuk> not without about a bucket more coffee. 8am on a Saturday morning here
[08:13] <acheronuk> if you can describe what release/versions you are on, and what the issue you have actually is, someone may be along later who is more awake!
[08:14] <acheronuk> there is also https://www.kubuntuforums.net and https://forum.kde.org/ where you might find help, or even the question already asked
[08:18] <mactzu> acheronuk: fair play thx anyway
[08:56] <rajeshwar> i have graphic issue in kubantu
[11:14] <josemari> quit
[11:14] <josemari> exit
[11:32] <bogdan> does anyone know any apps for managing the battery life?
[11:35] <koffeinfriedhof> bogdan:  laptop-mode-tools, tlp
[11:37] <bogdan> koffeinfriedhof : thanks
[11:45] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:03] <ar_sahito> hi
[13:04] <ar_sahito> all of yoy are using kubuntu?
[13:04] <koffeinfriedhof> no
[13:05] <ar_sahito> anyone alive?
[13:05] <koffeinfriedhof> no :)
[13:05] <koffeinfriedhof> !ot | ar_sahito
[13:05] <ar_sahito> or near keyboard?
[13:06] <ar_sahito> what no? alive or kubuntu?
[13:06] <ar_sahito> So I will get all the I need regarding Kubuntu here? really?
[13:07] <koffeinfriedhof> !ask | ar_sahito
[13:07] <ar_sahito> !ask
[13:07] <ar_sahito> Sorry! My first time with IRC. I thought that was a command.
[13:08] <ar_sahito> So I am having having this issue with my kubuntu
[13:08] <ar_sahito> It's not much but it's annoying.
[13:08] <ar_sahito> Here: I was messing around with Synaptics PM.
[13:09] <ar_sahito> And I installed some random packages with cool-sounding names.
[13:09] <ar_sahito> I don't remember their names but now my distro has become ugly and crappy.
[13:10] <ar_sahito> Some of the icons have become invisible, some have got ugly contrasty look.
[13:11] <ar_sahito> And my kubuntu takes some time to do, even the basic task. Like, opening a window, browser etc.
[13:12] <ar_sahito> any help about how can I get rid of the packages causing problem would be much appreciated.
[13:14] <koffeinfriedhof> How did you install them, ar_sahito? Using ppa's? Muon? Terminal apt or apt-get?
[13:14] <ar_sahito> straight from the Synaptics Package Manager GUI
[13:15] <koffeinfriedhof> there's a log file called  /var/log/apt/history.log
[13:15] <viewer|64269> hey im a bit new here.. is this working?
[13:15] <koffeinfriedhof> You could have a look at it and remove the packages you do not need.
[13:16] <ar_sahito> indeed there is
[13:17] <viewer|64269> discover software center not working kubuntu 16.04
[13:17] <koffeinfriedhof> viewer|64269: Is what working?
[13:18] <viewer|64269> discover software center
[13:18] <ar_sahito> Thanks man. LOv ya
[13:18] <koffeinfriedhof> viewer|64269: Did you upgrade or a fresh install? I recommend using terminal commands like apt or apt-get. They are much easier to use and do important output if anything doesn't work. If you need todo it graphical, use Synaptic.
[13:19] <koffeinfriedhof> ar_sahito: sorry, already got a partner. But thanks for your love :þ
[13:19] <BluesKaj> viewer|64269, open a terminal and install muon, sudo apt install muon
[13:19] <viewer|64269> i just installed kubuntu 16.04
[13:20] <BluesKaj> viewer|64269, muon is a package manager
[13:23] <saiswarup> im the same user just using konversation
[13:28] <saiswarup> it says you have the latest version of muon
[13:29] <BluesKaj> saiswarup, not muon-discover , just muon
[13:32] <saiswarup> muon is opening but not able to view packages
[13:32] <saiswarup> there are a few updates available should i try updating the them?
[14:47] <user|2184> helo?
[19:21] <[Relic]> whole day of hunting down some gles error, I put the thing on the primary monitor and it works just fine
[19:59] <al9898> hello:) Does anyone know why a usb wireless network adapter will not automatically connect to a network upon startup, but will connect without me taking any actions once i simply remove the usb adapter and reinsert it?
[20:35] <poco_> So I have the exact same problem that the OP has but I don't quite understand the answer provided. Can anyone tell me what exactly he modified from those files? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35138433/need-to-modify-kdeinit-entry
[21:08] <poco_> think I figured it out :)
[21:45] <an-usah> hello
[21:46] <an-usah> is kubuntu backports a stable repo or is it for testing purposes?
 Stable :)
[21:51] <valorie> we test it quite well before releasing
[21:51] <mparillo> Most of us recommend -backports on top of LTS (e.g. 16.04) releases. While it is a PPA, newer versions of KDE software (Plasma, Frameworks, and Apps) are likely to be more stable than that released at the time of the LTS.
[21:58] <valorie> I agree, mparillo
[21:59] <valorie> I've never had a problem with backports
[21:59] <valorie> in like ..... 10 years
[22:07] <an-usah> nice
[22:07] <an-usah> now i have this issue
[22:07] <an-usah> i mistakenly installed the KDE neon repo
[22:07] <an-usah> now, i regret
[22:07] <an-usah> i want to revert to backports... but i'm realizing ppa-purge is not working with neon
[22:07] <an-usah> so i don't know how to do that
[22:08] <valorie> !repository
[22:08] <valorie> you can comment it out in your repo list
[22:08] <valorie> either on the commandline
[22:08] <an-usah> that just take the repo out
[22:08] <valorie> or using muon
[22:08] <an-usah> but doen't downgrade the packages
[22:09] <valorie> yes
[22:09] <valorie> right
[22:09] <valorie> !aptitude
[22:09] <an-usah> i used ppa-purge before and the tool did a good job removing the repo and restoring the installed things with the active repos instead
[22:09] <valorie> right, that won't work
[22:10] <valorie> you could try aptitude to help fix any broken packages
[22:10] <an-usah> but it doesn't work with the neon thing
[22:10] <valorie> you have to remove the repo first
[22:10] <valorie> and probably deal with broken packages one at a time
[22:10] <valorie> or reinstall
[22:11] <an-usah> sadly i can't reinstall
[22:11] <an-usah> i have certain issue that requires to keep the system in order to solve it
[22:11] <sintre> ?
[22:11] <sintre> this a little odd
[22:11] <an-usah> i need to somehow audit the system
[22:12] <an-usah> if i reinstall it i destroy any evidence
[22:12] <an-usah> but we need to remove that thing from the system
[22:12] <sintre> well this is illegal talk here
[22:12] <valorie> then I suggest 1. removing/commenting out the repo
[22:12] <sintre> not gonna fly
[22:12] <valorie> 2. use aptitude to fix
[22:13] <valorie> although `sudo apt install -f` where f=fix is usually enough
[22:13] <valorie> even if it has to be done multiple times
[22:13] <an-usah> haha, no, it's not that complex, as i tell you is is not a formal auditing, but we need to resolve what happened in the machine to make another decision and not commit the same error again
[22:13] <valorie> aptitude is the tool for this however
[22:14] <an-usah> i think i can do that with synaptic too, right?
[22:14] <sintre> so you want us to fix it for you then you have the information to decide on what os to use?
[22:14] <valorie> I haven't used synaptic in years, but I suppose so
[22:14] <valorie> muon is IMO better
[22:15] <sintre> but any fix is going to modify your os , so how is that info
[22:15] <sintre> for your decision
[22:15] <an-usah> no, sintre, i was just looking for a suggestion in how to remove the neon thing
[22:16] <an-usah> valorie's ideas are the best i got now, but they sound reasonable, a lot of hardwork, but that's going to work for me
[22:16] <sintre> more like 10 minutes but ok hardwork if you look at it like that
[22:17] <an-usah> ah, sintre, simple. We made some configuration and it is causing some problems, we cant to know what is the problem... sadly we have the neon thing installed and it is not stable enough and it is getting in the way
[22:17] <an-usah> so, we want to revert to plain Kubuntu, or Kubuntu with backports, then with the system stabilized we can investigate the other issue properly
[22:18] <sintre> well you need to reinstall a stable system  that you know is stable
[22:18] <sintre> we can't give you magick
[22:18] <an-usah> sintre, then i destroy the current system and cannot investigate the other problem, cause it is sent witrh the system to oblivion
[22:19] <an-usah> it is hard work, we have to manually downgrade the packages... and they are a lot
[22:19] <an-usah> all KDE
[22:19] <valorie> you won't have to downgrade everything
[22:19] <sintre> your choice it takes freakin 10 minutes to reinstall kubuntu
[22:19] <valorie> we''re up to date on a lot
[22:19] <mparillo> One advantage of pacman over apt is pacman has an easy downgrade syntax. Of course, if a downgrade breaks something, then you had better not be a newbie.
[22:20] <valorie> an-usah: what Kubuntu version are you on?
[22:24] <an-usah> 16.04
[22:24] <valorie> hmm
[22:25] <valorie> well, some things will be older then
[22:25] <valorie> even with backports
[22:29] <an-usah> yup
[22:29] <an-usah> [plasma 5.8.5 in backports
[22:29] <an-usah> neon has 5.9
[22:30] <sintre> few weeks it'll most likely be baxkported
[22:30] <sintre> i believe it staging now
[22:31] <sintre> if you have a company and money on the line just spend an hour backing up and reinstalling
[22:32] <sintre> your search for "where it went into oblivioun" is futile
[22:32] <user|81619> Hello, this might be the wrong place to ask, but I'm trying to install windows 8 over kubuntu, and I need to know what partition to delete. Do you know how big the Kubuntu partition is?
[22:33] <sintre> duel install you need to install windows first
[22:33] <sintre> so wipe entire drive
[22:33] <sintre> then install windows 8 from scratch
[22:33] <user|81619> Thank you. That helps me out a lot.
[22:34] <sintre> then you can install kubuntu or any linux distro side by side because it will then control the bootloader
[22:34] <valorie> maybe it will be backported -- afaik there has been no testing of 5.9 on xenial
[22:34] <valorie> those who are interested in getting that should be testing
[22:34]  * sintre raises hand
[22:34] <valorie> afaik we'll be keeping the plasma LTS on the LTS
[22:35] <valorie> it's possible we'll backport it to yakkety, although I've not seen any testing there either
[22:35] <sintre> :(
[22:36] <sintre> to much exitment on new roll out
[22:36] <sintre> but hopefully some free time some backporting can get done
[22:37] <valorie> the point of an LTS is .... long term support
[22:37] <valorie> so it seems pointless to abandon Plasma LTS on the LTS
[22:37] <sintre> not in the downloadable iso of course not
[22:37] <sintre> doesn't me i don't want the newest on my lts distro :)
[22:38] <sintre> lts doesn't have to mean old and outdated :)
[22:38] <sintre> if somebody has the time i'm sure they'll try
[22:38] <valorie> plasma LTS is kept up-to-date with bugfixes
[22:39] <valorie> that is the meaning of stable
[22:39] <sintre> well i can alot of bugs in lts releases that haven't been worked on
[22:39] <sintre> you'd like to think someone who fixed the problems would want it distributed across as many platforms as possible
[22:40] <sintre> instead of just the newest
[22:41] <valorie> help is always needed
[22:42] <valorie> and bugfix releases are the *most* widespread
[22:42] <valorie> they come down as "updates" rather than backports, which many people never enable
[22:45] <an-usah> ugh, no, i need what's on KDE 5.8
[22:45] <an-usah> i ḿ not going back to the KADe that came with the LTS
[22:46] <sintre> you can upgrade plasma thru backports
[22:53] <an-usah> well. except in my case
[22:53] <an-usah> and, sintre, we cannot wipe this system
[22:54] <sintre> i don't know what you want then
[22:54] <an-usah> if we do that then we'll never get to know what happened in the other case
[22:54] <sintre> so you want us to figure that out for you?
[22:54] <sintre> i mean that not to be mean , but if it is a copany with info start backing things up
[22:54] <an-usah> ok, again, we need to have the system working, and the neon repository is causing issues, problems we don't need, so we want to move back to Kubuntu+backports
[22:55] <sintre> wipe or no wipe
[22:55] <an-usah> we have a different issue in the system, we need to discover what's going on there, but we'll never know wthat if we wipe the system and install again
[22:55] <an-usah> and it is very important for us to know what happened there
[22:56] <an-usah> in fact, to determine what happened is more important than the neon issue
[22:57] <sintre> and you want people to spend hours and hours helping to to determine this for you for free?
[22:57] <sintre> we'll help people for hours ans hours but at this point your basicly saying to us fix my bussiness os problem for free
[22:58] <sintre> the repeating of we need to know what happend over and over
[22:58] <sintre> instead of backing up data and reinstalling is getting old
[22:58] <an-usah> no, you don't need to help me to determine what happened there
[22:58] <an-usah> i'm not asking help for that
[22:59] <sintre> well i'm out of this issue good luck to you
[22:59] <an-usah> the issue i came to ask is about removing the neon desktop and restoring KDE to Kubuntu+backports
[22:59] <an-usah> and that was just mentioned to leave clear we cannot wipe the system
[23:02] <valorie> an-usah: the problem is that adding the Neon repo to kubuntu is not supported by neon, and def. not supported by us
[23:02] <valorie> we can help, but that's it
[23:03] <valorie> and I've given you my best advice already
[23:03] <valorie> you might look for the purge-apt-repository tool
[23:03] <valorie> !info purge-apt-repository
[23:03] <an-usah> hehe lol
[23:04] <valorie> but we don't package it
[23:04] <valorie> !info purge-apt-repository xenial
[23:04] <nauticalnexus> !info apt-purge-repository xenial
[23:05] <valorie> so not official -- but perhaps useful in this case, since you are insisting on not reinstalling
[23:05]  * valorie is done with this
[23:07] <an-usah> i see that one is pretty old :(
[23:07] <an-usah> anyway
[23:07] <an-usah> thanks for the help
[23:08] <an-usah> to manually downgrade the thing is what we are going to do, we cannot do other thing at this moment