[00:15] <Unit193> bluesabre: So you ended up not going with enabling the glade support in libxfce4ui?
[00:16] <bluesabre> Unit193, was easier to just follow debian
[00:17] <Unit193> Yeeeep.
[00:19] <ochosi> glade support is quite nice though..
[00:56] <bluesabre> Yeeeep.
[01:14] <Unit193> I had a deb of it. :P
[01:18] <bluesabre> Unit193, feel free to upload it to the PPA
[02:40] <bluesabre> periodic gtk grumble... apparently system trays are deprecated, https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkStatusIcon.html#gtk-status-icon-new
[02:40] <bluesabre> "gtk_status_icon_new has been deprecated since version 3.14 and should not be used in newly-written code. Use notifications."
[02:47] <Unit193> > tint2
[03:16] <bluesabre> the added progress bars in gnome-software on zesty makes it a much improved software center
[04:01] <Unit193> Oh, well it's not on here.
[04:03] <Unit193> And my DNS was broken until I removed libnss-resolve (well, since it was upgrading I just removed the so, then purged it later.)  That system uses resolvconf fine, so just libnss-resolve was evil.
[06:09] <Unit193> bluesabre: Good news, glade support in zesty+ is good, but the package wouldn't be backportable.
[07:35] <bluesabre> Unit193, that's A-OK (though curious why)
[07:51] <bluesabre> LibreOffice 5.3 with (non-default) Notebookbar, for those interested, http://imgur.com/a/FMoqV
[08:02] <flocculant> bluesabre: clock stopped?
[08:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: also - did you notice missing icons in lo5.3
[08:44] <Unit193> bluesabre: It moved to multiarch.
[08:45] <Unit193> Still thinking the "proper" thing to do here though is make libxfce4ui-glade..
[09:31] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/xfce4-gtk3/+packages/ - http://paste.openstack.org/show/TqsJyjN3j1lHsFJiZSpi/ fwiw.
[09:31] <Unit193> (I first put it in -dev, but that became pretty clearly improper. :P )
[09:34] <Unit193> ochosi: ↑ libxfce4ui-glade for you.
[09:35] <ochosi> bluesabre: yuck, those separators don't look nice at all
[12:37] <bluesabre> ochosi, indeed, but it is labeled as an experimental feature, and I imagine that's one reason
[12:37] <bluesabre> Unit193, aha, cool :D
[12:38] <flocculant> hi bluesabre :)
[12:38] <bluesabre> Unit193, I think it'd be fine in the -dev package
[12:38] <bluesabre> flocculant, hola
[12:39] <Unit193> bluesabre: Right, but then you have to add ${misc:shlibs}, bringing in some interesting deps for a -dev package, and then debhelper will also like to make a dbgsym package for -dev.
[12:39] <bluesabre> Unit193, ah, phooey :P
[12:40] <Unit193> Kind of showing this isn't how it expects, aye.  And, found another thing that used -glade. (As I'd seen before)  Not many packages ship a glade module... :/
[12:43] <Unit193> bluesabre: The debdiff is so small though!
[12:44] <bluesabre> :D
[12:51] <Unit193> If you like it I can push it to the PPA, if not I can fix it.
[13:07] <bluesabre> Unit193, I'm not picky, feel free to push
[13:08] <Unit193> I'm not awake, good to have review. :P
[13:08] <bluesabre> fair enough :)
[13:20] <ochosi> Unit193, bluesabre: i'm fine with either approach, i just want my glade module packaged and installable ;)
[13:21] <Unit193> ochosi: Is now.
[13:21] <ochosi> nnnice
[13:24] <Unit193> ...So the desktop background selection, that doesn't allow you to select directories, only images.  You have to type the full path now.
[13:26] <flocculant> Unit193: yea - I noticed a while ago - bluesabre noticed yesterday 
[13:27] <Unit193> flocculant: Before the VM re-install, I used xfconf to set it. >_>
[13:28] <bluesabre> I suspect its gtk2, which had a small version bump in zesty
[13:29] <Unit193> I noticed you saying something along those lines.
[13:29] <Unit193> Simple test..
[13:33] <ochosi> must be gtk2, nothing changed in xfdesktop and it's using a standard gtk open file/folder dialog
[13:46] <Unit193> Debian 818182 was fun.
[13:46] <ubottu> Debian bug 818182 in libgtk2.0-0 "libgtk2.0-0: Added support for randr 1.5 in gtk2.0 v2.24.30 breaks Xfce4 screen config" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/818182
[13:51] <Unit193> bluesabre: Downgrading fixes it.
[13:53] <Unit193> Looked at Debian, Ubuntu, and GTK bugtrackers.
[14:10]  * flocculant never notices those dual monitor things
[21:04] <ochosi> flocculant: as you have been testing taskman
[21:04] <ochosi> have you ever tested showing/hiding some columns?
[21:05] <ochosi> i just noticed now (and this must be a long-standing issue) that it's totally messed up
[21:05] <ochosi> wondering though whether i messed it up, so maybe better to double-check
[21:27] <ochosi> humm, something is crappy there with changing the column order, that seems to mess things up...
[21:49] <knome> hello simon
[21:55] <ochosi> hey pasi
[21:55] <knome> how was fosdem?
[21:56] <ochosi> awesome
[21:56] <knome> did you happen to bump to ubuntu people?
[21:57] <ochosi> unfortunately not, i tried to meet up with laney, but somehow i didn't manage to find him
[21:57] <ochosi> met m8t and Corsac though
[21:57] <knome> h
[21:57] <knome> ah too
[21:57] <knome> i know at least czxzxszsxzxajkowski was there too
[21:57] <knome> whatever the spelling is
[21:57] <knome> pleia2 will know :P
[21:57] <knome> oh and she just popped in!
[21:57] <pleia2> czajkowski :)
[21:58] <pleia2> I am going to food now ;)
[21:58] <ochosi> yeah, i wasn't hanging out in the desktop space much
[21:58] <knome> bon appetit
[21:58] <knome> i don't know if she was in the desktop space either...
[21:58] <ochosi> mostly the devops topics (as my travel was paid for by $dayjob)
[22:01] <flocculant> ochosi: as I said - rarely use it - looked ok to me - didn't know you cold move columns either
[22:01] <flocculant> that said it all appears to work here doing that
[22:01] <ochosi> yeah, that messes it up somehow
[22:01] <ochosi> need to check how exactly to reproduce it
[22:02] <ochosi> reordering columns, restarting, hiding/showing and reordering or something seemed to break it
[22:02] <ochosi> not a dramatic bug, but still
[22:04] <flocculant> well - 1 mobed column stayed put, another moved one - reverted to original position 
[22:04] <flocculant> added and removed - stayed in the new config
[22:06] <flocculant> talk more tomorrow on that if you like - off now :)