[10:09] morning [12:25] davmor2: are you the oem whizzkid? if so - do you test oem and encryption? [12:26] flocculant: no due to the fact that an oem would have to set an encryption key password which would null and void the whole point of the encryption :) [12:26] flocculant: oem is a mode that is used as stand alone, you can test with encryption it's just not the typical way it would ship [12:27] that was what I thought - just checking :) [12:27] * flocculant toddles of out again [17:10] knome: when you've got 30 minutes ish :) === Justanick1 is now known as Justanick [17:49] bluesabre: something occurs to me - 14.04 goes EOL, I assume 3years after release, which is in ~2 months - do we start telling users soon? === Justanick1 is now known as Justanick === Justanick1 is now known as Justanick [19:35] flocculant, yes? [19:35] :) [19:36] my take on EOL is that we can wait until the EOL date as the core system is supported anyway [19:36] it's not like the world collapses 3 years after the release [19:36] but we should probably start preparing the news etc. [19:38] ack on core being supported [19:38] so we wait till it's EOL - then tell people at the same time as it being EOL - instead of giving some warning? [19:39] that's friendly ;) [19:39] heh [19:39] well, i'll happily hear other opinions [19:39] i just don't know if it's sensible to shout that 14.04 will be EOL very early either [19:39] at least before we have a new thunar SRU on 16.04 [19:40] well it's LTS - and it goes EOL in ~2 months [19:40] and yea - would be goot to sru thunar for 16.04 absolutely [19:41] just got my head in taskmanager for a few minutes for ochosi [19:42] part of my rationale is that we don't support releases for 3 years because we don't have the manpower to do more [19:42] but in case we don't feel like the next LTS is quite ready (which is unforunate), we still *can* as the core is supported to [19:42] it would be different IMO if the ubuntu core was also only supported for 3 years [19:43] then we would definitely want to make sure people upgrade soon [19:48] ochosi: so played about with columns add yea as you saw - all over the place http://paste.ubuntu.com/23942957/ [19:48] knome: yea I would agree with that sentiment [19:48] so maybe schedule an article a few weeks before the EOL date and another one on EOL, or sth [19:49] 4 would be the week prior to beta 1 freeze [19:50] final beta [19:50] so we don't want 3 weeks at least [19:50] nearly had kittens then - cos that's next week :D [19:51] 3 weeks would be final beta week [19:51] but yea - some time before then again on eol makes sense [19:52] anyway - was a passing thought mostly brought on by me remembering the last couple of eol's ' oh - we're eol now - best tell people' [19:52] mhm [19:52] yep [19:53] so - and I think we've possibly had this discussion previously ... [19:53] anyway to have some sort of freeform text box at http://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-qa [19:54] bit sort of blueprint whiteboardish [19:54] right'o [19:54] will look at that [19:55] knome: reasoning for that is things like the folder/image issue we're seeing in desktop settings [19:56] someone mentioned it to me - I looked - asked ochosi where to report it - then it got forgotten by everyone - then Simon mentioned it - then Sean did - but nothing had been written down anywhere [19:57] now - seems that we just need somewhere to note qa/dev issues to me until reported 'somewhere' [19:57] yep, that seems all fair and doable [19:57] if it's loads of work then qa blueprint whiteboard will suffice [19:57] nah [19:59] ok - ta :) [19:59] I'd rather it was on the tracker - and on the qa tab - seems best place for it till it's properly reported [20:28] ochosi: moving columsn - seems to be no specific pattern to what works and what doesn't [20:28] yeah, it's fairly random in my experience too [20:28] same with hiding/adding - though at some point task disappears and then comes back [20:28] but it's sorta broken i guess [20:29] as far as i can tell it's even broken in the current release [20:29] restarting the taskmanager fixes the visible columns i think [20:29] ochosi: well - I didn't manage to break current [20:32] oh [20:32] humm [20:32] btw, any news from robert on the greeter issue? [20:32] ochosi: noticed something else - in current - box for the tick, in git - no box [20:32] box for the tick? [20:32] ochosi: nope - waiting for him to wake a bit then ping him [20:32] i guess i need a screenshot for that [20:33] ochosi: where you choose which columns === Justanick1 is now known as Justanick [20:34] http://i.imgur.com/MxPoE67.png is current [20:34] http://i.imgur.com/Ph77Svs.png is git [20:40] that's just gtk3 (current) vs. gtk2 [20:41] you could build git with "./autogen.sh --enable-gtk3" then they would look the same [20:41] ochosi: aah ok :) [20:55] ochosi bluesabre - reply from robert in -desktop re locking bug [20:56] well if he has it on his "to fix" list, i'm happy [20:56] i trust him [20:56] * flocculant wonders if a mail to our testers re that and maybe replacing with gnome-screensaver or something in the interim would be an idea [20:56] ochosi: yea :) === wxl_ is now known as wxl === DalekSec_ is now known as DalekSec