[12:33] <deanman> frankban, Hiya, quick question regarding https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/issues/2392. Any estimate for the patch delivery ?
[13:33] <frankban> deanman: hey, sorry, missed the ping, 2.3.1 is due in ~2 weeks according to our schedule
[15:53] <deanman> frankban, hey great news then, looking forward to see that, thanks for the update!
[15:53] <frankban> deanman: np, thanks for reporting!
[15:54] <deanman> frankban, on a side note, is there any feature request to be able to present a bundle as a single unit ?
[15:55] <deanman> So that you can have more complex architectures in your model without having tens of services always visible in your canvas ?
[15:58] <frankban> deanman: that idea is under design. yes we want bundles to be real entities in juju. right now, once a bundle is deployed, there is nothing in juju indicating that that's a bundle and not just a collection of charms in your model. for instance, you cannot scale out a bundle. I think a plan exists but not scheduled for the very near future
[16:00] <deanman> frankban, i think the elasticity scenario is far more advanced and would mean that bundles are treatest as first-class citizens. My request comes from the fact that i simply want a better representation in the web-gui side. 
[16:01] <frankban> deanman: I see, interesting
[16:02] <deanman> I was thinking something that you could toggle on-off and either group the charms of a given bundle in a single UI element or expand them
[16:02] <frankban> deanman: I'll have to ask UX about this, and we'll have to think about how doable it is without some support server side
[16:04] <deanman> e.g. deploy two complex bundles, 1 is from the charm store and contains 20 charms and 1 bundle which is my application and is 3 charms. With this example the 20 services which I'm simply using as-a-service simply make my 3 charms "invisible" or less important. In the UX language i guess you could say it draws the focus of the end user to the wrong side
[16:06] <rick_h> deanman: I think the idea there would be the feature flagged idea of cross model relations.
[16:06] <rick_h> deanman: so you can put them in different models and connect.the bits that need to be connected
[16:09] <deanman> Hi rick_h, hmmmm...haven't see the cross-model feature yet, can you deploy a subordinate, e.g. a monitoring tool and connect all services ? Will that be visible in the same canvas ?
[16:10] <deanman> I guess if you are able to see both models at the same time that will work for what i have in mind.