[00:30] <ubuntu-mate> salve a tutti
[00:30] <ubuntu-mate> c'è qualcuno?
[00:30] <ubuntu-mate> hi to everyone
[00:31] <ubuntu-mate> anybody awake?
[00:31] <Astro7467> !ask | ubuntu-mate
[00:32] <ubuntu-mate> i need to know how to use ubuntu mate i'm a newbie
[00:33] <ubuntu-mate> i would like to install wine.. how should i proceed?
[00:36] <Astro7467> WINE is available through the Software Boutique (click software on the welcome screen)
[00:37] <Astro7467> search for wine and you can install WINE or PlayOnLinux
[00:39] <Astro7467> alternatively, if you have a Windows license, you can install VirtualBox which will let you run a Virtual Machine with full Windows install
[01:20] <blackwater> hello good people of #ubuntu-mate
[01:21] <blackwater> is it possible to use a different panel than mate-panel, in ubuntu mate, such as xfce4-panel?
[01:21] <blackwater> I can manually run xfce4-panel, but if I put it in my ~/.profile, I get unexpected behavior where the window manager doesn't load properly (no borders on windows)
[05:38] <IrcDroidClient> what's the ssh default password?
[05:41] <nomic> passwords are set by the  user
[05:41] <nomic> there is no default
[05:41] <nomic> you set the password on installation
[05:42] <nomic> what'd be the point of a password if everyone had it
[05:42] <nomic> ssh = ssh to a user
[05:42] <nomic> password of the user is made on creation of the user
[05:44] <IrcDroidClient> i mean the ubuntu-mate for raspberry,i have no hdmi,so i can only remote logging
[05:45] <IrcDroidClient> there·s no default ssh account?
[05:50] <IrcDroidClient> what the fork
[05:56] <Astro7467> According to http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/36409/possible-to-ssh-with-ubuntu-mate either ssh server not active
[05:56] <Astro7467>  else UbuntuMateUserName & UbuntuMatePassword
[05:57] <Astro7467> I don't have a Pi running UM to test atm
[06:38] <DroidClient> it is ridivulous
[06:39] <alkisg> Is it?
[06:39] <Astro7467> what is ridiculous?
[06:39] <alkisg> No, it's ridivulous
[06:39] <alkisg> Not ridiculous
[06:39] <Astro7467> oh - stupid me - but now I don't know what that is
[06:40] <DroidClient>  theres no default acount,what a shit
[06:40] <alkisg> Yeah it's a shit, ridivulous
[06:41] <alkisg> It would help if you mentioned the context though
[06:42] <Astro7467> ircdroidclient = DroidClient?
[06:42] <Astro7467> from earlier?
[06:43] <DroidClient> i can only ssh connect to raspberry with display
[06:43] <Astro7467> I think that is for initial setup
[06:43] <alkisg> DroidClient: put the sd card to a pc, chroot to it, and run `passwd user` or adduser or whatever else you like
[06:45] <Astro7467> alkisg: AFAIK SSH-server is not in the default pi image - same as x86 installs
[06:45] <alkisg> He can also install it when using chroot
[06:45] <alkisg> He can also install epoptes-client and have gui access to it, remotely
[06:46] <Astro7467> true
[06:53] <DroidClient> i got it
[08:40] <thundergull25> ¿sabeis para actualizar mate de 16.04 a 16.10? no me aparece en actualizar software
[11:54] <hughie> hello, can anyone tell me where the usb formatter is on mate.thaks
[12:03] <guest-odhrrw> joinchannel
[12:03] <guest-odhrrw> hi
[13:03] <neil_> hi all. I'm a newbie and trying to figure out how to add a new app I downloaded to my plank. Any help is appreciated
[13:07] <neil_> Just figured it out. Thanks :)
[13:22] <guest_> hi everybody
[15:45] <Ntemis> can someone help me out
[15:45] <Ntemis> caja is crashing on me
[15:45] <Ntemis> constantly
[15:46] <Ntemis> right now mate is a pita
[15:46] <Ntemis> cant work like this
[15:46] <Akuli> how are you running mate?
[15:46] <Ntemis> i must let you see my logs
[15:46] <Ntemis> https://github.com/mate-desktop/caja/issues/380#issuecomment-277655667
[15:46] <Ntemis> last person there
[15:47] <Akuli> how did you install caja?
[15:47] <Ntemis> came with the os
[15:47] <Akuli> do other programs work?
[15:47] <Ntemis> yes
[15:47] <Akuli> weird
[15:48] <Akuli> caja has always been a really stable file manager for me
[15:48] <Ntemis> what is weird? caja is buggy
[15:48] <Akuli> not for me...
[15:48] <Akuli> create a new user
[15:48] <Akuli> $ sudo adduser test
[15:48] <Ntemis> why?
[15:48] <Akuli> i want to see if a fresh user account has this problem
[15:49] <alkisg> You can also test with the "guest" account
[15:49] <Ntemis> try to use sshfs to mount
[15:49] <Ntemis> then work some time and try to unmount it
[15:49] <alkisg> But Ntemis you're using non-stock versions, so instability is expected
[15:49] <Ntemis> no am not
[15:49] <alkisg> sshfs is unstable too
[15:49] <Ntemis> 1.14 official here
[15:49] <alkisg> You say there that you downgraded from 1.16 to 1.14
[15:50] <alkisg> Which distro version?
[15:50] <Ntemis> yes so i went to official release
[15:50] <Ntemis> ubuntu mate
[15:50] <alkisg> 16.04?
[15:50] <Ntemis> yes
[15:50] <alkisg> So 1.12 is official there
[15:50] <Ntemis> sec
[15:50] <alkisg> 1.14 is not official
[15:50] <Ntemis> ah yes
[15:50] <Ntemis> i have 1.21.1
[15:50] <Ntemis> so official
[15:50] <Ntemis> shit
[15:50] <Ntemis> i have 1.12.1
[15:51] <Ntemis> sorry for the typo
[15:51] <alkisg> What's the output of: dpkg -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:51] <Ntemis> http://termbin.com/1nym
[15:54] <alkisg> it got cut in half, maybe it was too long, try this instead: dpkg -l | grep '*mate*' | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:55] <alkisg> Btw, sshfs is buggy, if you get issues just with that
[15:57] <gust> hallo was geht
[15:57] <alkisg> !en
[15:57] <alkisg> !de
[15:57] <gust> hallo whats up
[16:03] <Akuli> alkisg, '*mate*' is not how grep's regexes work
[16:03] <Akuli> you probably want '.*mate.*' instead
[16:04] <Akuli> hmm
[16:04] <Akuli> '*mate*' matches nothing
[16:05] <alkisg> grep mate, sorry, I was initially going for dpkg -l '*mate*' | grep ^ii
[16:05] <alkisg> dpkg uses globs instead of regexes, so it works there
[16:05] <Akuli> oh there we go :)
[16:05] <Akuli> yeah
[16:05] <Ntemis> alkisg: i get Use netcat.
[16:05] <alkisg> dpkg -l | grep 'mate' | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:05] <alkisg> Ntemis: try that one ^
[16:06] <Ntemis> http://termbin.com/7h1p
[16:07] <Akuli> try this: dpkg -l | grep -E '(mate|caja)' | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:07] <Ntemis> i use sshfs with cinammon desktop all the time and i never had an issue
[16:07] <Ntemis> http://termbin.com/33x4
[16:07] <Ntemis> so i simply cant accept that is buggy
[16:08] <alkisg> I've filed a lot of bug reports for sshfs, so I simply cannot accept what you say
[16:08] <alkisg> And I'm using it daily in 1000+ schools, thousands of clients
[16:08] <alkisg> With ltsp
[16:08] <Ntemis> what issues you have?
[16:09] <alkisg> ubuntu-mate-welcome is from 16.10
[16:09] <alkisg> So you're not using the stock version in at least some programs
[16:09] <Akuli> are you using compiz?
[16:09] <Ntemis> i ppa purge the 1.16
[16:09] <alkisg> ppa-purge isn't error-free
[16:09] <Ntemis> maybe some apps didnt reverted
[16:10] <alkisg> Try with a fresh installation
[16:10] <Ntemis> no way
[16:10] <Ntemis> am switching to cinammon
[16:10] <Akuli> have you always had this problem or did it just magically pop up?
[16:10] <Ntemis> always
[16:10] <Akuli> go with cinnamon if it works for you
[16:10] <Ntemis> but on 1.16 was a disaster
[16:10] <Ntemis> on 1.12 is bareable
[16:11] <Ntemis> on 14.04 i didnt have any issues
[16:11] <Ntemis> no freezes no nothing
[16:11] <Akuli> i'm still using 14.04 with mate 1.8 btw
[16:11] <Ntemis> i need to be on 16.04
[16:12] <Akuli> why
[16:12] <Ntemis> i have compile issues on < versions
[16:12] <Akuli> what program
[16:12] <Ntemis> Libreelec and Lakka
[16:12] <Akuli> i guess you are aware of apt-get build-dep?
[16:12] <Ntemis> is  not a package issue
[16:13] <Akuli> anyway
[16:13] <Akuli> use cinnamon if you like it
[16:13] <Ntemis> i dont but is the one i need to go to until mate fixes
[16:14] <Ntemis> is my second desktop of choice that i can bare working on
[16:14] <Akuli> you don't need to run caja
[16:14] <Akuli> just grab whatever other file manager you want
[16:14] <Akuli> like thunar from xfce or anything
[16:14] <Ntemis> i know but have never worked ok with me
[16:14] <Akuli> so other file managers have problems too, not just caja?
[16:14] <Ntemis> because some folders were opening with caja anyway
[16:15] <Akuli> sounds easy to change
[16:15] <Ntemis> i had two file managers open and i couldnt even copy paste into one another
[16:15] <Akuli> there's more than caja and thunar
[16:15] <Akuli> what does cinnamon use? i dont remember
[16:15] <Akuli> you could try that
[16:15] <Ntemis> i had to drag and drop to copy
[16:16] <Akuli> isn't that an easy way to do it?
[16:16] <Akuli> whatever, if copy-pasting is faster for you then you want to do it that way and its ok
[16:16] <Ntemis> why file managers are incompatible?
[16:16] <Ntemis> in the first place
[16:16] <Akuli> they shouldn't be
[16:16] <Ntemis> yeah exactly
[16:16] <Akuli> were they two different file managers?
[16:16] <Ntemis> yes
[16:16] <Akuli> why are you running two different file managers?
[16:17] <Akuli> in the first place
[16:17] <Akuli> )
[16:17] <Ntemis> one caja one something else
[16:17] <Akuli> like i said
[16:17] <Ntemis> because caja was insisting opening shares
[16:17] <Akuli> i think we can change that
[16:17] <Ntemis> i could open witht he other one
[16:17] <Akuli> did you set the other one as default in mate's default programs thingy?
[16:17] <Ntemis> ofc
[16:18] <Ntemis> but nothing works ok as usual
[16:18] <Ntemis> some folders caja some folders the other one
[16:18] <Ntemis> i could copy paste i had to drag and drop pita
[16:19] <Ntemis> cant work like this either
[16:20] <Ntemis> ok am gonna install cinnamon until you guys figure it out *i hope*
[16:20] <Ntemis> i am using mate since 10.04
[16:20] <alkisg> Ntemis: this isn't a developers channel
[16:20] <Ntemis> and i want to keep doing it
[16:20] <alkisg> noone here is going to "figure it out"...
[16:20] <Akuli> hmm
[16:20] <Ntemis> oh ok
[16:21] <Akuli> desktop icons still open in caja even though i set thunar as default
[16:21] <Ntemis> see !
[16:21] <DarkPsydeLord> which file managers you have?
[16:21] <mike_> can i help you
[16:21] <Guest17225> can you speak in chinese
[16:22] <Guest17225> I don't speak in english
[16:23] <alkisg> !cn
[16:23] <Akuli> alkisg, whats the chinese ! thingy
[16:23] <Akuli> oh you did that already :)
[16:23] <alkisg> :)
[16:23] <alkisg> !gr
[16:23] <alkisg> Ouch that sucks :D
[16:32] <Anna_> Hello. How safe the Ubuntu-Mate 16.04 Guest session is for a house full of kids who like to play with all sort of screen-buttons?
[16:35] <Akuli> depends whether you have internet access or not
[16:35] <Akuli> the computer is going to be fine unless they damage it physically
[16:35] <Akuli> and you have a strong enough password if they figure how to get out of the guest session... :)
[16:39] <Anna_> They can't access personal files or system files/settings, can they? I mean not even if they wanted, right? The user account does have a password, indeed, and they wouldn't dare to physically do anything with the computer... but what did you mean about internet access?
[16:40] <Akuli> they can't
[16:40] <Akuli> if you want to be sure, just try it
[16:40] <Akuli> by internet access i mean that they can probably look up whatever they want to, but since they can't actually put any files on the computer it's impossible to get any kind of viruses or malware
[16:41] <Akuli> or if they manage to actually get any it's going to be gone when they log out
[16:43] <Anna_> So... let me see if I understood... the guest session works in a temporary folder... like a virtual box or a live CD session?
[16:45] <Akuli> yes
[16:45] <Akuli> it's technically more like a non-sudoer user that is deleted when logging out
[16:45] <Akuli> except that it's even more restricted than a regular non-sudoer
[16:47] <Anna_> I don't know about technical terms. It's just very good to know I don't have to disable the Guest account! Thank you Akuli :-)
[16:49] <Akuli> if you're worried about people viewing your files keep in mind that anyone with a linux usb stick can view almost anyone's files
[16:49] <Akuli> or destroy any operating system
[16:51] <Anna_> I have also set a hard drive password. Isn't enough?
[16:52] <Akuli> if you have done that then yes, it's enough :)
[16:52] <Akuli> i never bother with it
[16:59] <Anna_> I was wondering if I could use the same laptop for handling my sensitive bussiness files the morning and give it to the kids for games the evening (no money for second computer). Thanks for the reassurement!
[20:26] <luna__> Moms new computer is done: https://i.imgur.com/ExtwknV.jpg :)
[20:53] <luna__> pimped the box with stuff for mom: https://i.imgur.com/MhY83YP.jpg :D
[20:57] <DarkPsydeLord> :)
[21:00] <DarkPsydeLord> thats a nice box is that a pi?
[21:09] <luna__> DarkPsydeLord: yup a Pi 3 and some other stuff inside it
[21:12] <Tacoder> nice
[21:12] <Tacoder> i have a pi somewhere
[21:13] <Tacoder> i think im going to make a tv streamer
[21:34] <ali1234> good choice. put kodi on it
[21:42] <Tacoder> kodi is the one xbmc isnt it?
[23:25] <jnewt1> i can't find a good way to remote into ubuntu-mate.  i've tried xrdp, a couple of vnc options, and x2go.  the problem is many apps won't open: firefox (seg fault), chrome (glx & gpu process errors), time-admin (seg fault) nvidia-settiongs (seg fault).  started @ stable driver but couldn't boot with >1 screen.  updated using the launchpad ppa 378.09, and can now boot with 2 monitors, but have this issue