| === andatche_ is now known as andatche | ||
| davmor2 | Morning | 09:07 |
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| SuperMatt | g'day | 09:10 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:40 |
| === Dave___ is now known as Dave | ||
| JamesTait | Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy Wave All Your Fingers At Your Neighbours Day! 😃 👋 | 10:01 |
| SuperMatt | All of them? I don't know if they deserve all of them | 10:27 |
| zmoylan-pi | some of them deserve only 1... :-P | 10:55 |
| SuperMatt | sometimes two, but from different hands | 10:56 |
| foobarry_ | apparently i got pwned in the justdate.com breach | 11:05 |
| foobarry_ | it wasn't me guv! | 11:05 |
| foobarry_ | "its highlt unlikely the data was sourced from justdate.com" | 11:06 |
| zmoylan-pi | this is your alibi and you're sticking to it... :-p | 11:35 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: Wave your hands in the air like you don't care https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjAantupsA | 11:41 |
| daftykins | i like the piece on Kings College London that says they paid a 'reputation' company £1,000 to essentially phone up The Register and ask them to take down news pieces on their IT snafus | 14:46 |
| davmor2 | daftykins: but they are a college they could just get the students to do it for free ;) | 15:26 |
| foobarry_ | daftykins: got a link pls? | 15:27 |
| daftykins | no | 15:27 |
| foobarry_ | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/07/kcl_reputation_management/ | 15:28 |
| diddledan_ | https://twitter.com/isoiphone/status/829024728555872256 | 17:51 |
| luna__ | Moms new computer is done: https://i.imgur.com/ExtwknV.jpg :) | 20:25 |
| daftykins | obviously not a demanding user... | 20:27 |
| luna__ | daftykins: hehe i won it for free :P | 20:28 |
| luna__ | and she wants a computer | 20:28 |
| SuperEngineer | Anyone know how to install the snap version of Corebird? | 20:29 |
| ali1234 | "snap install corebird" probably | 20:29 |
| SuperEngineer | error: cannot install "corebird": snap not found | 20:29 |
| daftykins | find the right one? :) | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | okay so you have to sideload it | 20:30 |
| SuperEngineer | [that's why I asked. I'm confused] | 20:30 |
| SuperEngineer | ali1234: sideload? | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | diddledan must know since he appears to have made the snap | 20:30 |
| daftykins | ah well that answers a lot ;) | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | yeah. snap works from a repository/app store type of thing | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | oh hang on | 20:31 |
| ali1234 | try "snap install corebird-diddledan" | 20:31 |
| SuperEngineer | trying that now | 20:32 |
| * SuperEngineer crosses fingies | 20:32 | |
| ali1234 | when people package stuff in snap but they are not the upstream, there's a policy of appending their name to it | 20:33 |
| * diddledan_ pricks his ears up | 20:33 | |
| ali1234 | also, "snap find corebird" | 20:33 |
| SuperEngineer | ali1234: it's downloading! ...& diddledan can put down ears ;-) | 20:34 |
| SuperEngineer | thanks | 20:35 |
| SuperEngineer | "corebird-diddledan 1.4.2 from 'diddledan' installed" :-) | 20:36 |
| diddledan_ | SuperEngineer, there is a bug that some people are hitting where it can't launch links/urls so you need to right-click+select-copy and do it manually if you hit it - you might be able to work around it if you install via apt the package snapd-xdg-open | 20:37 |
| ali1234 | snap is great when it works | 20:37 |
| diddledan_ | personally it works for me | 20:37 |
| ali1234 | both from developer and user perspective | 20:37 |
| SuperEngineer | diddledan: advice taken | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | snapd-xdg-open sound slike something that should be installed by default | 20:41 |
| ali1234 | at least on a desktop system | 20:41 |
| daftykins | !info snapd-xdg-open xenial | 20:42 |
| lubotu3 | snapd-xdg-open (source: snapd-xdg-open): Opens URLs via D-Bus. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.0~16.04 (xenial), package size 4 kB, installed size 25 kB | 20:42 |
| daftykins | optional | 20:42 |
| diddledan_ | yeah, it really needs to be required | 20:43 |
| daftykins | luna__: horrific desk btw :P | 20:47 |
| luna__ | daftykins: :( | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | what impresses me most about snap is how many different types of source code it knows how to compile | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | snapcraft that is | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | creating a working snapcraft.yaml is often easier than building things from source manually | 20:48 |
| SuperEngineer | diddledan: any clues on what name to append to "snap run"... nothing I'm trying is working | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | you dont run snaps with snap run | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | it should just be in the path | 20:49 |
| SuperEngineer | ooops | 20:49 |
| diddledan_ | /snap/bin/corebird-diddledan.corebird | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | did you ship two executables? | 20:50 |
| diddledan_ | no | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | normally the snap name only gets prepended if you do | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | or did they change it? | 20:50 |
| diddledan_ | the executable is only called the name of the snap when it is defined to be the same - I called it corebird so it differs from corebird-diddledan | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | ah, i see | 20:51 |
| diddledan_ | I think that's the case, anywho | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | i feel like the "append developer name to snap name" thing is creating a bit of a mess. there should be a better way to handle it | 20:51 |
| luna__ | pimped the box with stuff for mom: https://i.imgur.com/MhY83YP.jpg :D | 20:53 |
| daftykins | with three conflicting stickers, neat | 20:54 |
| daftykins | now nobody will know what's inside! | 20:54 |
| luna__ | daftykins: its actully both SUSE and Ubuntu stuff | 20:54 |
| luna__ | :D | 20:54 |
| SuperEngineer | so I try /snap/bin/corebird-diddledan.corebird [corebird loads ok], I hit "request PIN" and get a horrible error msg instead | 21:02 |
| * daftykins resets diddledan_'s ears | 21:02 | |
| diddledan_ | yeah. it should give you an url in that case | 21:02 |
| SuperEngineer | GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: An AppArmor policy prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient; type="method_call", sender=":1.185" (uid=1000 pid=9190 comm="/snap/corebird-diddledan/16/usr/bin/corebird ") interface="org.gtk.GLib.PACRunner" member="Lookup" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.106" (uid=1000 pid=4443 comm="/usr/lib/glib-networking/glib | 21:03 |
| SuperEngineer | -pacrunner ") | 21:03 |
| SuperEngineer | [apologies, should have paste binned that] | 21:03 |
| daftykins | yes :P | 21:04 |
| SuperEngineer | just tried logging out & back in... no difference. | 21:18 |
| SuperEngineer | corebird snap now removed | 21:18 |
| SuperEngineer | corebird app now reinstalled :-( | 21:19 |
| SuperEngineer | maybe I'll try the snap some other day | 21:19 |
| SuperEngineer | but thanks for the help folks | 21:20 |
| diddledan_ | try rebooting | 21:22 |
| diddledan_ | if snapd hasn't been updated or xdg-open was installed it might require snapd to be restarted | 21:22 |
| diddledan_ | make sure your snapd is up-to-date and snapd-xdg-open is installed, reboot, and try again | 21:23 |
| diddledan_ | now I need to figure-out what I've done to cause a package to be pinned so that I can replicate it - there doesn't appear to be any preferences file in /etc/apt and no files in /etc/apt/preferences.d | 21:24 |
| SuperEngineer | snapd-xdg-open definitely installed [checked via synaptic] | 21:25 |
| diddledan_ | make sure you've done an apt upgrade | 21:26 |
| diddledan_ | after apt update, obv | 21:26 |
| SuperEngineer | will do [both!] | 21:27 |
| SuperEngineer | both done... all results 0 | 21:28 |
| SuperEngineer | [now running the snap install again] | 21:31 |
| diddledan_ | did you reboot? | 21:33 |
| SuperEngineer | corebird-diddledan 1.4.2 from 'diddledan' installed | 21:35 |
| SuperEngineer | now rebooting | 21:35 |
| diddledan_ | I think you needed to reboot before installing corebird | 21:36 |
| diddledan_ | might be wrong | 21:36 |
| SuperEngineer | precaution re-rebooting now ;-) though checked snapd-xdg-open definitely installed etc | 21:37 |
| diddledan_ | corebird should be in the dash when you're rebooted so you don't need to use the commandline | 21:38 |
| SuperEngineer | oooo... 2 corebirds now in dash [1 from app & 1 from snap I assume] | 21:38 |
| diddledan_ | I haven't tried running both at the same time | 21:39 |
| diddledan_ | that's likely to cause problems | 21:39 |
| SuperEngineer | I'll remove the app centre one again and reboot again to get a clean start... though I thought the idea with snaps was that you could actually have both!# | 21:41 |
| ali1234 | you can have them both installed, but only one can be activated | 21:41 |
| SuperEngineer | the idea of having both has been "advertised" in so many podcast interviews | 21:41 |
| ali1234 | only one version of each snap, that is | 21:41 |
| ali1234 | if the snaps have different names then you can install them both | 21:42 |
| SuperEngineer | app = corebird, snap = corebird-diddledan | 21:42 |
| SuperEngineer | is that not different enough? | 21:42 |
| ali1234 | what do you mean by app? | 21:43 |
| diddledan_ | corebird, being a gnomey app uses dbus to ensure only one instance of itself is running - hence problems when you have two instances of itself running | 21:43 |
| * SuperEngineer checks in /snap for name in there | 21:43 | |
| ali1234 | yeah that's not a snap limitation though | 21:43 |
| diddledan_ | I didn't say it was | 21:43 |
| diddledan_ | I said running two copies was gonna cause problems | 21:44 |
| SuperEngineer | He said running two copies was gonna cause problem... which is why I was about to the app :-D | 21:44 |
| SuperEngineer | to remove | 21:45 |
| SuperEngineer | Update: basically same result [corebird starts but errors when IN requested]. I will try again tommorrow with another removal of app, reboot, bleacbir, reboot again, snap instal etc. [been a long day and eyes are getting very heavy noe] | 22:10 |
| SuperEngineer | ^now | 22:11 |
| daftykins | Linux folk don't reboot! | 22:13 |
| SuperEngineer | what was interesting [whilst I had both app & snap installed] was that ubuntu s/w claimed only corebird-diddledan was installed & when removed it corrected itself to say dore app only installed | 22:14 |
| SuperEngineer | daftykins: but they do need zzzzzzzzzzzzz | 22:14 |
| SuperEngineer | [& if they don't reboot, can someone sort that out with snaps] | 22:15 |
| SuperEngineer | [p.s. other snaps installed didn't need reboot... and they run with a simple "snap run snapname"] | 22:16 |
| SuperEngineer | see you all later... pillow time :-) | 22:17 |
| daftykins | \o | 22:17 |
| popey | diddledan: i just installed corebird, run it, and it asks me for a pin | 23:06 |
| popey | diddledan: wat | 23:07 |
| zmoylan-pi | your atm pin will do... :-P | 23:09 |
| daftykins | :D | 23:09 |
| popey | :D | 23:11 |
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