[09:07] <davmor2> Morning
[09:10] <SuperMatt> g'day
[09:40] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy Wave All Your Fingers At Your Neighbours Day! 😃 👋
[10:27] <SuperMatt> All of them? I don't know if they deserve all of them
[10:55] <zmoylan-pi> some of them deserve only 1... :-P
[10:56] <SuperMatt> sometimes two, but from different hands
[11:05] <foobarry_> apparently i got pwned in the justdate.com breach
[11:05] <foobarry_> it wasn't me guv!
[11:06] <foobarry_> "its highlt unlikely the data was sourced from justdate.com"
[11:35] <zmoylan-pi> this is your alibi and you're sticking to it... :-p
[11:41] <davmor2> JamesTait: Wave your hands in the air like you don't care https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjAantupsA
[14:46] <daftykins> i like the piece on Kings College London that says they paid a 'reputation' company £1,000 to essentially phone up The Register and ask them to take down news pieces on their IT snafus
[15:26] <davmor2> daftykins: but they are a college they could just get the students to do it for free ;)
[15:27] <foobarry_> daftykins: got a link pls?
[15:27] <daftykins> no
[15:28] <foobarry_> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/07/kcl_reputation_management/
[17:51] <diddledan_> https://twitter.com/isoiphone/status/829024728555872256
[20:25] <luna__> Moms new computer is done: https://i.imgur.com/ExtwknV.jpg :)
[20:27] <daftykins> obviously not a demanding user...
[20:28] <luna__> daftykins: hehe i won it for free :P
[20:28] <luna__> and she wants a computer
[20:29] <SuperEngineer> Anyone know how to install the snap version of Corebird?
[20:29] <ali1234> "snap install corebird" probably
[20:29] <SuperEngineer> error: cannot install "corebird": snap not found
[20:30] <daftykins> find the right one? :)
[20:30] <ali1234> okay so you have to sideload it
[20:30] <SuperEngineer> [that's why I asked. I'm confused]
[20:30] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: sideload?
[20:30] <ali1234> diddledan must know since he appears to have made the snap
[20:30] <daftykins> ah well that answers a lot ;)
[20:30] <ali1234> yeah. snap works from a repository/app store type of thing
[20:31] <ali1234> oh hang on
[20:31] <ali1234> try "snap install corebird-diddledan"
[20:32] <SuperEngineer> trying that now
[20:32]  * SuperEngineer crosses fingies
[20:33] <ali1234> when people package stuff in snap but they are not the upstream, there's a policy of appending their name to it
[20:33]  * diddledan_ pricks his ears up
[20:33] <ali1234> also, "snap find corebird"
[20:34] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: it's downloading!  ...& diddledan can put down ears ;-)
[20:35] <SuperEngineer> thanks
[20:36] <SuperEngineer> "corebird-diddledan 1.4.2 from 'diddledan' installed"   :-)
[20:37] <diddledan_> SuperEngineer, there is a bug that some people are hitting where it can't launch links/urls so you need to right-click+select-copy and do it manually if you hit it - you might be able to work around it if you install via apt the package snapd-xdg-open
[20:37] <ali1234> snap is great when it works
[20:37] <diddledan_> personally it works for me
[20:37] <ali1234> both from developer and user perspective
[20:40] <SuperEngineer> diddledan: advice taken
[20:41] <ali1234> snapd-xdg-open sound slike something that should be installed by default
[20:41] <ali1234> at least on a desktop system
[20:42] <daftykins> !info snapd-xdg-open xenial
[20:42] <daftykins> optional
[20:43] <diddledan_> yeah, it really needs to be required
[20:47] <daftykins> luna__: horrific desk btw :P
[20:47] <luna__> daftykins: :(
[20:47] <ali1234> what impresses me most about snap is how many different types of source code it knows how to compile
[20:47] <ali1234> snapcraft that is
[20:48] <ali1234> creating a working snapcraft.yaml is often easier than building things from source manually
[20:49] <SuperEngineer> diddledan: any clues on what name to append to "snap run"... nothing I'm trying is working
[20:49] <ali1234> you dont run snaps with snap run
[20:49] <ali1234> it should just be in the path
[20:49] <SuperEngineer> ooops
[20:49] <diddledan_> /snap/bin/corebird-diddledan.corebird
[20:50] <ali1234> yeah
[20:50] <ali1234> did you ship two executables?
[20:50] <diddledan_> no
[20:50] <ali1234> normally the snap name only gets prepended if you do
[20:50] <ali1234> or did they change it?
[20:51] <diddledan_> the executable is only called the name of the snap when it is defined to be the same - I called it corebird so it differs from corebird-diddledan
[20:51] <ali1234> ah, i see
[20:51] <diddledan_> I think that's the case, anywho
[20:51] <ali1234> i feel like the "append developer name to snap name" thing is creating a bit of a mess. there should be a better way to handle it
[20:53] <luna__> pimped the box with stuff for mom: https://i.imgur.com/MhY83YP.jpg :D
[20:54] <daftykins> with three conflicting stickers, neat
[20:54] <daftykins> now nobody will know what's inside!
[20:54] <luna__> daftykins: its actully both SUSE and Ubuntu stuff
[20:54] <luna__> :D
[21:02] <SuperEngineer> so I try /snap/bin/corebird-diddledan.corebird [corebird loads ok], I hit "request PIN" and get a horrible error msg instead
[21:02]  * daftykins resets diddledan_'s ears
[21:02] <diddledan_> yeah. it should give you an url in that case
[21:03] <SuperEngineer> GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: An AppArmor policy prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient; type="method_call", sender=":1.185" (uid=1000 pid=9190 comm="/snap/corebird-diddledan/16/usr/bin/corebird ") interface="org.gtk.GLib.PACRunner" member="Lookup" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.106" (uid=1000 pid=4443 comm="/usr/lib/glib-networking/glib
[21:03] <SuperEngineer> -pacrunner ")
[21:03] <SuperEngineer> [apologies, should have paste binned that]
[21:04] <daftykins> yes :P
[21:18] <SuperEngineer> just tried logging out & back in... no difference.
[21:18] <SuperEngineer> corebird snap now removed
[21:19] <SuperEngineer> corebird app now reinstalled :-(
[21:19] <SuperEngineer> maybe I'll try the snap some other day
[21:20] <SuperEngineer> but thanks for the help folks
[21:22] <diddledan_> try rebooting
[21:22] <diddledan_> if snapd hasn't been updated or xdg-open was installed it might require snapd to be restarted
[21:23] <diddledan_> make sure your snapd is up-to-date and snapd-xdg-open is installed, reboot, and try again
[21:24] <diddledan_> now I need to figure-out what I've done to cause a package to be pinned so that I can replicate it - there doesn't appear to be any preferences file in /etc/apt and no files in /etc/apt/preferences.d
[21:25] <SuperEngineer>  snapd-xdg-open definitely installed [checked via synaptic]
[21:26] <diddledan_> make sure you've done an apt upgrade
[21:26] <diddledan_> after apt update, obv
[21:27] <SuperEngineer> will do [both!]
[21:28] <SuperEngineer> both done... all results 0
[21:31] <SuperEngineer> [now running the snap install again]
[21:33] <diddledan_> did you reboot?
[21:35] <SuperEngineer> corebird-diddledan 1.4.2 from 'diddledan' installed
[21:35] <SuperEngineer> now rebooting
[21:36] <diddledan_> I think you needed to reboot before installing corebird
[21:36] <diddledan_> might be wrong
[21:37] <SuperEngineer> precaution re-rebooting now ;-) though checked snapd-xdg-open definitely installed etc
[21:38] <diddledan_> corebird should be in the dash when you're rebooted so you don't need to use the commandline
[21:38] <SuperEngineer> oooo... 2 corebirds now in dash [1 from app & 1 from snap I assume]
[21:39] <diddledan_> I haven't tried running both at the same time
[21:39] <diddledan_> that's likely to cause problems
[21:41] <SuperEngineer> I'll remove the app centre one again and reboot again to get a clean start... though I thought the idea with snaps was that you could actually have both!#
[21:41] <ali1234> you can have them both installed, but only one can be activated
[21:41] <SuperEngineer> the idea of having both has been "advertised" in so many podcast interviews
[21:41] <ali1234> only one version of each snap, that is
[21:42] <ali1234> if the snaps have different names then you can install them both
[21:42] <SuperEngineer> app = corebird, snap = corebird-diddledan
[21:42] <SuperEngineer> is that not different enough?
[21:43] <ali1234> what do you mean by app?
[21:43] <diddledan_> corebird, being a gnomey app uses dbus to ensure only one instance of itself is running - hence problems when you have two instances of itself running
[21:43]  * SuperEngineer checks in /snap for name in there
[21:43] <ali1234> yeah that's not a snap limitation though
[21:43] <diddledan_> I didn't say it was
[21:44] <diddledan_> I said running two copies was gonna cause problems
[21:44] <SuperEngineer> He said running two copies was gonna cause problem... which is why I was about to the app :-D
[21:45] <SuperEngineer> to remove
[22:10] <SuperEngineer> Update: basically same result [corebird starts but errors when IN requested].  I will try again tommorrow with another removal of app, reboot, bleacbir, reboot again, snap instal etc. [been a long day and eyes are getting very heavy noe]
[22:11] <SuperEngineer> ^now
[22:13] <daftykins> Linux folk don't reboot!
[22:14] <SuperEngineer> what was interesting [whilst I had both app & snap installed] was that ubuntu s/w claimed only corebird-diddledan was installed & when removed it corrected itself to say dore app only installed
[22:14] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: but they do need zzzzzzzzzzzzz
[22:15] <SuperEngineer> [& if they don't reboot, can someone sort that out with snaps]
[22:16] <SuperEngineer> [p.s. other snaps installed didn't need reboot... and they run with a simple "snap run snapname"]
[22:17] <SuperEngineer> see you all later... pillow time :-)
[22:17] <daftykins> \o
[23:06] <popey> diddledan: i just installed corebird, run it, and it asks me for a pin
[23:07] <popey> diddledan: wat
[23:09] <zmoylan-pi> your atm pin will do... :-P
[23:09] <daftykins> :D
[23:11] <popey> :D