[00:40] <ubuntu-mate> hey guys! I need to configure btsync on a friends computer which runs Mint18. When I try to reproduce the effect of the software boutique on Mate 16.04, the repo tells me it does not support Ubuntu 16.04. Any ideas?
[00:47] <ubuntu-mate> I copies the ppa and added it myself. Then it tells me that the repo does not support Ubuntu 16.04. Which is weird because it apparently supports Ubuntu mate 16.04. Can anyone give me a hint?
[00:48] <Astro7467> the PPA would be different under Mint
[00:49] <ubuntu-mate> it would? Does this not depend on the base (e.g. Ubuntu 16.04)?
[00:49] <ubuntu-mate> Do you know how I can find out the correct ppa for Mint?
[00:50] <Astro7467> suggest Google or follow instructions on BTSync site
[00:50] <Astro7467> ppa includes release name eg xenial or sarah
[00:51] <Astro7467> would also suggest syncthing over btsync
[00:58] <ubuntu-mate> Astro7467, unfortunately the instructions on the website do not give the version that Mate offers. It is a newer one, which has become closed source and rebranded as "resilio". It also does not come with a native GUI. And One of the computers which will be synced is a windows PC so syncthing is sadly not a viable solution.
[00:59] <ubuntu-mate> Direct encrypted syncing over platform borders with open source tools is surprizingly challenging.
[01:04] <Astro7467> assuming the PPA has a mint release support;
[01:04] <Astro7467> on the Mint machine run;
[01:04] <Astro7467> lsb_release -a
[01:05] <Astro7467> the last line should say 'COodename: xxx'
[01:05] <Astro7467> in the PPA source file change references of Xenial to the 'xxx'
[01:07] <ubuntu-mate> I'll do that. Thank you. But just for my understanding: Both Mint 18 and Mate 16.04 are based on Ubuntu 16.04. Why does the PPA differentiate?
[01:07] <Astro7467> if that doesn't work on the Mint site they probably state the Ubuntu codename equivalent somewhere of the Mint release you are on e.g. xxx1 = trusty,  xxx2 = xenial, etc (sorry I am not familiar with Mint release names - I just know it is a fork of Ubuntu)
[01:08] <ubuntu-mate> Hehe! That is very much alright!
[01:08] <ubuntu-mate> Mint 18 is called "sarah".
[01:09] <Astro7467> AFAIK how PPA's work you are right, just having Xenial in there should work cos I know for different Ubuntu releases you can config a PPA to use diffrent releases to get the software to work
[01:09] <ubuntu-mate> I have to say that I really do not get the need to give every distro a pseudonym. And a female one at that.
[01:09] <Astro7467> I can only assume in the case of BTSYnc they somehow have something different going on or you have a typo :D
[01:10] <ubuntu-mate> I actually hope that it was a typo and redid it several times. Even copied the ppa without typing anything myself.
[01:10] <ubuntu-mate> Syncthing is not cross platform, right?
[01:11] <Astro7467> agree - would be nice if it just used some version number info automatically and mapped from there - release names just add a layer of complexity to the uninitiated - a false barrier for those new to Linux
[01:13] <ubuntu-mate> *g* Well, here our impressions differ. I just found it to be a "dumbed down" way to not having to remember numbers when I started with Linux.
[01:17] <Astro7467> It's that too, but having 3 ways of referring to the same thing doesn't help ; ie. (latest) LTS, Xenial, 16.04
[02:02] <connie> hola
[02:02] <connie> alguien que hable español.?
[02:14] <Astro7467> !es
[03:19] <comptekki> hi - when I remove my external 4k monitor the top and bottom panels don't resize to my laptop screen.  Any way to fix this?
[03:19] <comptekki> I can't see the clock, wifi, etc. on top right or the desktop switcher at bottom right
[03:21] <comptekki> i've tried changing resolution 2880x1800 to 1920x1200 and back, but the panels aren't resizing to current display (laptop screen)
[03:22] <comptekki> it does work if I log out and back in
[03:31] <comptekki> if i plug the 4k display back in the panels also go back to show right ends of top/bottom panels correctly
[11:39] <giuseppe_> ei
[11:39] <giuseppe_> ammmore
[11:40] <giuseppe_> sono sex
[13:07] <philippe_d> good morning
[13:19] <Ceri_Philippe> good evening
[17:04] <comptekki> I have set my default screen to a 4k display.  When I disconnect, the top and bottom panels are chopped off on the right - maybe retaining the 4k screen width.  Any way to fix this?
[17:06] <comptekki> other than logging out then back in?
[18:33] <xpkill23> grüsse gibt jemand deutsch chat
[18:36] <xpkill23> hab ubuntu -m chat auf deutch
[18:37] <xpkill23> danke
[18:37] <xpkill23> für nichts
[18:37] <sigurdur> das weiss ish nocht
[18:37] <sigurdur> nicht
[18:38] <sigurdur> sie können deutch mit mich sprechen, aber ich verstehen niemals
[18:39] <yiannis> Hi all
[18:39] <sigurdur> Hello!
[18:40] <sigurdur> Hey, mate!
[18:40] <sigurdur> :)
[18:40] <yiannis> I just installed mate....irc is a Good idea
[18:41] <yiannis> I didn't use irc since 1995 !!!!
[18:41] <sigurdur> Indeed. Me too. Late 90s last time for me i would guess.
[18:41] <sigurdur> Used to be a lot of normies here in those days.
[18:42] <yiannis> hehe
[18:42] <yiannis> dial up power...
[18:42] <sigurdur> I left irc when mIRC became synonymous with irc.
[18:42] <yiannis> the same here...
[18:42] <sigurdur> Dial up power and angry mothers!
[18:43] <sigurdur> First install of ubuntu-mate?
[18:43] <yiannis> yes
[18:44] <sigurdur> Curious. How does one find mate? What was your reasoning?
[18:45] <xpkill23> wer
[18:46] <yiannis> I like the old style gnome desktop. I recently update from 12.04 with to 16.04 flashback, but it seems flashback is a crap
[18:46] <yiannis> mate works smoother by far
[18:46] <yiannis> I have just downloaded mate 16.04
[18:47] <sigurdur> I cant settle for one desktop. Been distro and DE hopping since Slackware 7.1. Oups. Crying children. Must go be a father!
[18:48] <Akuli> nowadays irc is kind of a thing for programmers and other nerds
[18:48] <Akuli> not something that people use for talking to friends
[18:49] <yiannis> hehe my dauther just slept. she is 1 year old
[18:50] <yiannis> akuli sure but i think i still find it convinient.
[18:50] <yiannis> plus brings up some nostalgy
[18:50] <Akuli> yes, irc is a great way to get support with any tech related issues :)
[18:50] <yiannis> like a vinyl record hehehehe
[18:50] <Akuli> or just talk
[18:53] <Akuli> looking at the list of channels i have joined to there are actually quite a few non-support, talking-just-for-fun like channels
[18:53] <Akuli> hmm
[18:53] <Akuli> whatever :)
[21:18] <mahmut> Türk varmı türk
[22:22] <binegra> Hello! have any of you experienced that phenomena, when you type a certain key on your notebook's keyboard, there are 2 or more other characters appearing as well along with that it is supposed to appear? This is a hungarian keyboard, so it has a different set then the standard us keyboard, but it still printing numerous characters by one keystroke even setted to english. Guess it's a hardware failure?
[22:26] <DarkPsydeLord> like ubuntu-offtopic
[22:26] <DarkPsydeLord> XD
[22:27] <DarkPsydeLord> binegra: did you tried to clean your keyboard
[22:32] <binegra> sorry about posting it here ^^ Seems like that's the best option I have given here. I did not, altough I can't think like it is _that_ dirty.. will try it tomorrow!
[22:33] <DarkPsydeLord> well lemme tell you something
[22:33] <DarkPsydeLord> if it only happen with certain keys most probable thing is that is dirty if it happen with every key well must be software based
[22:34] <DarkPsydeLord> or defective hardware
[22:34] <DarkPsydeLord> specially if it was working well
[22:34] <binegra> with certain keys in every os setup, even on a live linux distribution
[22:35] <DarkPsydeLord> then must be dirty/sticky from some beverage or bread crums
[22:36] <binegra> basic english -latin- keys are working well, but once you are into special characters, it goes wild) i.e. -, é, ü
[22:37] <ali1234> which keys? and what appears on screen?
[22:37] <ali1234> usually people report the opposite happening because of deadkeys
[22:38] <binegra> if you press "-" for example, you get printed '-' on your terminal, but it goes back to the beginning of the line, like if you would press home as well
[22:39] <binegra> if you press "ö" which is a dedicated hungarian key, then it will give you two or 3 characters alongside the original one alltogether (i forgot which)
[22:40] <ali1234> always the same characters?
[22:40] <binegra> Yes, it's repetitive
[22:40] <ali1234> and you always get a ö followed by some others?
[22:40] <binegra> with that key, yes
[22:41] <ali1234> that doesn't sound like a dirty keyboard to me. it would be more random and unpredictable
[22:41] <ali1234> like it wouldn't happen the same every single time
[22:41] <binegra> It happens all the time the exact same way, not matter what operating system
[22:41] <ali1234> that's weird
[22:42] <DarkPsydeLord> not weird at all
[22:42] <ali1234> what model of computer is it?
[22:42] <binegra> It's a built-in keyboard of an acer laptop
[22:42] <binegra> 5715Z
[22:42] <binegra> if you plug in an external keyboard, all is well
[22:43] <ali1234> what operating systems have you tested this with?
[22:43] <binegra> windows 7, different linux distributions
[22:45] <DarkPsydeLord> same thing happened to me with my tx1000 laptop when pressing ñ
[22:46] <DarkPsydeLord> but since my laptop had touchscreen i used the virtual keyboard
[22:46] <binegra> basically it makes impossible to use the terminal in linux, because you either have to delete some characters after typing some, or for instance using '-' which is quite common, you always need to get back to the end of the actual command
[22:46] <DarkPsydeLord> after all it seems i had some milk on the keyboard
[22:46] <DarkPsydeLord> XD
[22:46] <ali1234> so - also sends home?
[22:47] <binegra> It effectively print '-' and act like if I pressed home at the same time
[22:48] <ali1234> i guess it could be a hardware problem, if some keyboard signals are shorted out inside
[22:48] <ali1234> that would create ghosting
[22:48] <ali1234> ever spilled coffee in your keyboard?
[22:49] <binegra> I am pretty sure I did. It's a very old laptop. I just want to find out what it's problem is and if it could be solved in a rational way.
[22:50] <ali1234> what happens when you press home? does it send extra "-"?
[22:51] <binegra> No, it just simply put you to the first character of that line
[22:52] <binegra> Special charachters are placed around and the left to the "enter" key in hungarian keyboards and those are the ones I have problems with. It could be some serious dirt in that area
[22:52] <binegra> since it's concentrated there
[22:53] <ali1234> its more likely to be a short circuit
[22:53] <binegra> Oh, than it's likely to be the end of it
[22:54] <ali1234> dirt wouldnt really so that, but liquids would
[22:54] <ali1234> its probably fixable. keyboard replacement is usually cheap and easy
[22:55] <binegra> It's not a separate keyboard as I remember well, like in nowadays' laptops
[22:55] <ali1234> i can see UK layout keyboards for £10 on ebay
[22:56] <binegra> okay, thanks, I will check it out tomorrow, take it apart and see if there is any corrosion or any sight of damage
[22:56] <binegra> Sorry for being off-topic and thanks for your help!
[23:48] <comptekki> any ideas on top/bottom panels when unplugging external monitor - won't resize to laptop when external is set to default
[23:48] <comptekki> other than log out/back in....
[23:50] <ali1234> restarting the panel might fix it without logging out
[23:50] <ali1234> not ideal though
[23:53] <Astro7467> was thinking that there might be a mate-* command to reinitialize you could trigger on the event of the screen being unplugged or hot key
[23:53] <Astro7467> but not in position to investigate currently
[23:56] <comptekki> ok will check how to restart a panel - no right click option
[23:59] <ali1234> isomething like mate-panel --replace or mate-panel -r
[23:59] <ali1234> check mate-panel --help