[02:02] <Unit193> bluesabre: Poke.
[02:18] <Unit193> flocculant: Could be worse, if you install thunar-gtkhash and try to open properties of any file, thunar crashes. :D
[02:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: Looking at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/zesty/xubuntu and http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/xubuntu.zesty/supported I think we should put xfdashy since we plan on supporting it.  Also, we have a few thunar plugins, but not gtkhash (another source package, don't want it) and thunar-dropbox-plugin, which we also may not want.  I'm not sure if 
[02:21] <Unit193> there's anything else we maintain, but don't ship we might want to add in there (-pulseaudio is already there.)
[11:58] <flocculant> knome: "Is there a specific reason we drop the direct link? If we do that, it would be probably fine to merge these two paragraphs together for good." yes there is a specific reason - it takes ages to get our docs updated - and this is still pointing at xenial ...
[12:00] <knome> ;)
[12:00] <knome> ok
[12:00] <knome> fair enough
[12:00] <flocculant> :)
[12:04] <flocculant> Please use – instead of - only got - on my kbd
[12:05] <knome> copy-pasta?
[12:05] <flocculant> perhaps standardise PPA's and ISO's to PPAs and ISOs - easier to type :)
[12:05] <knome> yep
[12:06] <knome> as i wrote, anything with that works for me
[12:06] <flocculant> anyway - I'll wait for slickymaster then finish it sometime in the next cycle 
[12:06] <flocculant> seems to be the doc method :p
[12:06] <flocculant> yea - makes no difference to me either
[16:23] <bluesabre> Unit193, thanks for the info, we definitely want to add xfdashboard to supported, and probably any of the thunar plugins (that are just thunar plugins), since we're kinda in charge of them by default
[16:50] <flocculant> afternoon
[17:09] <flocculant> Unit193: not crashing here :p
[17:10] <flocculant> \o/ for thunar's weather responsive crash pattern :)
[17:24] <knome> bluesabre, ping?
[19:27] <flocculant> knome: what's with 2–3 instead 2 -3 anyway?
[19:28] <knome> that's the proper sign to use... :P
[19:28] <knome> or character tbe
[19:28] <krytarik> A hyphen in this case though.
[19:28] <knome> no
[19:28] <knome> NO
[19:28] <knome> :)
[19:28] <krytarik> Yes!
[19:29] <knome> whenever you denote a scale like "two to three" you should use an en dash
[19:29] <knome> not a hyphen
[19:29] <knome> this is the most important thing i learned while studying...
[19:30] <knome> the en dash in this context is called "rajakohtailmausviiva" in finnish, fwiw
[19:30] <knome> :P
[19:31] <flocculant> studying what?
[19:31] <knome> social services :P
[19:31] <flocculant> and obv I meant 2 - 3 not 2 -3
[19:32] <knome> spacing should be stripped too :P
[19:32] <flocculant> so this hugely important thing in English - doesn't appear on a UK keyboard ... 
[19:32] <knome> http://open.knome.fi/2011/10/17/give-me-the-endash/
[19:32] <knome> it doesn't in a finnish keyboard either
[19:32] <knome> but i think that's a misjudgement :P
[19:33] <flocculant> just because it's on the internet doesn't make it right ... 
[19:33] <knome> are we arguing about this the whole night again :)
[19:33] <flocculant> nope - I got some stuff to do in a bit :p
[19:33] <knome> :P
[19:42] <flocculant> just got some thunar crash again 
[19:42] <flocculant> sigh
[19:44] <flocculant> anyway - I'll wait for slickymaster before I do more - he can weigh in on the ISOs/ISO's thing too :p
[20:29] <Unit193> ochosi: -glade is actually in zesty.
[20:29] <Unit193> !info libxfce4ui-glade zesty
[20:30] <Unit193> Ooooh, I was going to have someone look at the description first, whoops.
[20:32] <ochosi> awesome sauce Unit193 
[20:32] <Unit193> flocculant: Really?  Did you killall Thunar  first?  I get it everywhere I try. :3
[20:32] <Unit193> ochosi: So once you bump to Zesty, you can play with it. :P
[20:33] <ochosi> flocculant: the question is though whether that is still the original issue that was reported there or whether you're just seeing some other bug/crash. i'd try to really separate the testcases, cause that helps the developers a lot to reproduce and determine where it comes from
[20:34] <Unit193> Oh, didn't you have a taskman coming down the pipes?
[20:34] <ochosi> yup
[20:34] <ochosi> i actually have two(!) taskman releases in the pipe
[20:34] <ochosi> one is the last gtk2/3 release, and i also have a gtk3-only port that is practically ready
[20:34] <Unit193> Which is for Zesty?
[20:35] <ochosi> not sure, that's up to us
[20:35] <ochosi> i'll probably release 1.2.0 tonight
[20:35] <ochosi> and then merge the gtk3_only branch to master
[20:35] <ochosi> so translators can start to work on the few changed strings
[20:36] <ochosi> you can try it out if you want
[20:36] <ochosi> it has headerbars, so you're probably not going to like it ;)
[20:36] <ochosi> https://github.com/ochosi/xfce4-taskmanager/tree/gtk3_only
[20:36] <ochosi> i'd be happy about some feedback
[20:43] <flocculant> Unit193: had reboots in the mix
[20:44] <flocculant> ochosi: not convinced that the bug report in question isn't a bunch of different things anyway :(
[20:44] <ochosi> well it has been polluted by various different topics i'd say
[20:44] <ochosi> but the rename bug seems gone, for me at least
[20:44] <flocculant> yea agree on that
[20:45] <ochosi> moving may still crash it sometimes, as your testing suggests, but the renaming seems stable
[20:45] <ochosi> so i'd prefer to push the patch to master and close the bugreport, to establish a new baseline which people can test and then more cleanly report new bugs that pop up
[20:45] <flocculant> in which case we've got thunar crashing out on moving and copying
[20:45] <ochosi> well tbh it never happens to me
[20:46] <ochosi> so it doesn't seem excessive or clearly reproducible (at least to me, so far)
[20:46] <flocculant> on this topic - from an Xubuntu pov - we've got 14.04 going eol soon - replaced by an lts with a broken file manager - from a qa point this just gets worse :p
[20:47] <flocculant> ochosi: I crashed it a while back moving 1 file
[20:47] <Unit193> ochosi: Correct, but I use htop anyway so don't have to replace it.
[20:47] <Unit193> flocculant: Huh, OK..
[20:47] <flocculant> Unit193: this is with the git thunar
[20:48] <flocculant> ochosi: patch/patches?
[20:48] <Unit193> Mine has been 1.6.10-2ubuntu3~17.04.0
[20:48] <flocculant> right - I removed that one and went back to git
[20:52] <flocculant> Unit193: ok so - removed git, got ~17.04.0 and i/o error on trying properties on a file and a crash
[20:53] <ochosi> for LTS we can try and SRU once everything has been merged to master and released
[20:53] <ochosi> that would definitely improve the experience of those in 16.04
[20:53] <Unit193> Hrm, actually what else are you planning to use headerbars on?
[20:54] <flocculant> ochosi: so re Thunar - I guess I'm the only one reporting that they've got major issues still with it as far as copying/moving things
[20:55] <ochosi> Unit193: not sure, this is just an experiment with taskmanager, also to get more feedback from the community
[20:55] <ochosi> now that the topic seems less flamey
[20:55] <ochosi> in theory it shouldn't be hard to make it a compile-time switch
[20:55] <ochosi> or even an option, but it feels a little over-the-top to me
[20:57] <flocculant> Unit193: so what difference is there between ppa thunar and git - I thought none? but this is the same as when I was testing last week - easier with the ppa one ...
[20:58] <Unit193> I thought the git version was easier to crash last time?
[20:58] <flocculant> ... went for Restart Later, got Restart Now
[20:58] <flocculant> Unit193: not that I remember 
[20:59] <Unit193> OK good, the version in Ubuntu crashes with gtkhash now, so no regressions.
[21:00] <flocculant> :)
[21:01] <Unit193> At this point, the patches seem to help some, so as long as there's no regressions from adding them, I think ochosi wants them in.
[21:01] <flocculant> to be honest a mate using xubuntu does the same sort of large file movements - he's seen the same issues as me
[21:01] <flocculant> Unit193: ack - I'd say they help some - as did the last ones - certainly don't make it worse
[21:02] <flocculant> and I agree it might be better to re-report with a clean bug once that master has patches 
[21:03] <flocculant> which won't be hard for me to do :)
[22:13] <ochosi> Unit193: hrrrm, the german translation was only updated to 88%, i think i'll have to give the guy another day to finish
[22:14] <Unit193> Alrighty, nobody said which we'll go with so no rush. :P
[22:14] <ochosi> other than that, i've prepared the release notes for the 1.2 release of the task manager
[22:17] <ochosi> flocculant: have you tried this one yet (which claims to fix moving and it's from two days ago): https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12260